There's nothing "mature" about the summary, which points out that manufacturers, industry in generall might be influencing the research; but it ignores that factor with research pointing out potential problems.
If I have a group including electrosensitives on one side, and on the other industry & research based largely in Nordic countries...a place with high sense of ethics all around, unparalelled social care & enviromental goals (and plans to ban tobacco or become carbon neutral not so far into the future, btw)...guess which I'm inclined to believe more.
They would probably twist it in a way that Tim Berners-Lee or similar persona could accept it (easy, "pushed the Internet into mass acceptance" or something like that)
All I know is that if it wins, I'm flying, driving or taking a train / ferry just to be in Oslo on the occasion.
Look at the UI of cars; most people don't realize that it didn't look like that at the beginning. After few decades of trying we managed to do something which works very well, also for "idiots"...and yet professional drivers use the exact same UI (and yes, I live in a place where automatic transmission is rare). Heck, you almost certainly use it too - does that make you an idiot?
I'm sure you can find something even earlier. Heck, Apple Newton might do at one point in time...but certainly you can find something still earlier (wasn't there an IBM touchscreen "smartphone" just at the beginning of the 90's?)
Point was just finding any Nokia device quite similar to iPhone and launched earlier then any news about Apple product.
So, I take it you have no idea that Nokia "feature phones" are were never built on Symbian, right? And that Symbian runs on both cheap & sturdy smartphone candybars as well as touchscreen phones...
BTW, the "iPhone form factor" was introduced by Nokia Maemo device a year before iPhone announcement.
You haver also an interesting definition of "killing". In the past two years + one quarter Nokia shipped one billion mobile phones, greatly contributing to the fact that, while a year ago there were 3 billion mobile subscribers, now there are 4.6 billion. Total number of phones shipped by Apple - around 30 millions.
The Symbian kernel is what allows Nokia to ship so many smartphones as they do (Symbian has 50% of total smartphone market); it runs fine on "slower", chepaer devices; ones which many more people can afford at all.
Also, this kernel allows running connectivity stack and rest of the OS & user apps on one CPU. Symbian will have devices most affordable to largest part of the market for a long, long time.
I would be too slow and won't fir into memory. Symbian allows phones to have fairly basic hardware and still work fine. Firefox OTOH...well, the only device it supports right now is one of the fastest phones in existence, with large amount of RAM. Heck, Minimo was shelved few years ago because Mozilla couldn't make it fit.
All the features and more. I doubt Mozilla will be providing proxy servers to reformat and compress webpages anytime soon; or manages to make FF working on millions of feature phones with j2me 3rd party apps only.
Both Maemo and Symbian will rely on Qt for their UI and main API in next major versions, they will be quite close probably; with Maemo reserved for top of the line devices and Symbian pushed more and more into mainstream.
The S40 UI was updated to look like S60 a couple of years ago
I'd say the more adequate description would be that both S40 and S60 (up to v3) have been on the market for quite a while, targetting similar form-factors. So, considering they are from the same manufacturer, of course they will end up similar (never mind that it works both ways probably - Nokia tried to make S60 similar to S40, to ease transition for customers)
S40 has a webkit browser but can only be programmed by 3rd parties with Java, and can only run one application at a time apart from the music player
BTW @above...funny, so it has similar properties to iPhone (webkit, 3rd party devs don't have the same access as Apple ones, limited multitasking); why is iPhone a smartphone, again?
S60 can be programmed natively in Symbian C++, supports standard C/C++
Even better, Qt is officially supported now; and new Symbian edition is being built around it. So this OS might still end up very nice...
But our language and terminology exists to facilitate exchange of ideas. Any term which encompasses so many so different bodies looses most of any usable meaning.
They are nowhere near "considerably" smaller than Pluto. Than Earth, maybe.
The "cleared its neighborhood" definition is absurd, since by that definition Earth is not a planet.
And that is simply not true (have you even read the definition?). Earth very much cleared it's neighbourhood; bodies in its vicinity are completelly dominated by its gravitation.
James Webb Space Telescope might beat it in giving us "good" pictures of Pluto; assuming it will be launched in 2014, as planned currently. And who knows what Herschel Space Observatory might give us soon, if pointed at Pluto...
It is in this almost 3rd world country where I am right now (older Celerons are only marginally cheaper and simply not available anymore); I would say that's more representative regarding prices at which those CPUs are bought.
And I assume your estimate was for 1.8 GHz? (what's the point in estimating minutes?) How conveniently you assumed that the performance scales linearly...
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"Opponents of radiation" feel they have much to gain if they also feel generally litigous (or are hipochondriac, it's nice to point fingers)
That also has at least a potential of cellular industry making sure their position is solid; unfounded claims would end up very costly otherwise.
There's nothing "mature" about the summary, which points out that manufacturers, industry in generall might be influencing the research; but it ignores that factor with research pointing out potential problems.
If I have a group including electrosensitives on one side, and on the other industry & research based largely in Nordic countries...a place with high sense of ethics all around, unparalelled social care & enviromental goals (and plans to ban tobacco or become carbon neutral not so far into the future, btw)...guess which I'm inclined to believe more.
Or "in part funded by opponents of radiation"?
And who worked harder to make sure McCain didn't get elected than Obama?
Sarah Palin.
Not sure if she's eligible though - she probably was "thinking" that she's helping McCain, so her motivations weren't exactly at the right place.
More importantly - which of the individuals wearing Guy Fawkes mask gives the acceptance speech and gets the price?
Hm, a plot to shatter them?...
They would probably twist it in a way that Tim Berners-Lee or similar persona could accept it (easy, "pushed the Internet into mass acceptance" or something like that)
All I know is that if it wins, I'm flying, driving or taking a train / ferry just to be in Oslo on the occasion.
Wearing V mask.
PS. Check out Nokia 7710, also from 2004; perhaps a more applicable example.
Look at the UI of cars; most people don't realize that it didn't look like that at the beginning. After few decades of trying we managed to do something which works very well, also for "idiots"...and yet professional drivers use the exact same UI (and yes, I live in a place where automatic transmission is rare). Heck, you almost certainly use it too - does that make you an idiot?
Much less now, when adjusted to rising wages.
I'm sure you can find something even earlier. Heck, Apple Newton might do at one point in time...but certainly you can find something still earlier (wasn't there an IBM touchscreen "smartphone" just at the beginning of the 90's?)
Point was just finding any Nokia device quite similar to iPhone and launched earlier then any news about Apple product.
And you know what will be, long term, the limits of medicine...how?
So, I take it you have no idea that Nokia "feature phones" are were never built on Symbian, right? And that Symbian runs on both cheap & sturdy smartphone candybars as well as touchscreen phones...
BTW, the "iPhone form factor" was introduced by Nokia Maemo device a year before iPhone announcement.
You haver also an interesting definition of "killing". In the past two years + one quarter Nokia shipped one billion mobile phones, greatly contributing to the fact that, while a year ago there were 3 billion mobile subscribers, now there are 4.6 billion. Total number of phones shipped by Apple - around 30 millions.
The Symbian kernel is what allows Nokia to ship so many smartphones as they do (Symbian has 50% of total smartphone market); it runs fine on "slower", chepaer devices; ones which many more people can afford at all.
It doesn't merely "also work fine as a smartphone OS"; S30 and S40, present on Nokia entry level and feature phones, are NOT built on Symbian.
Symbian powers exlusively smartphones in Nokia line-up, it always has.
Also, this kernel allows running connectivity stack and rest of the OS & user apps on one CPU. Symbian will have devices most affordable to largest part of the market for a long, long time.
I would be too slow and won't fir into memory. Symbian allows phones to have fairly basic hardware and still work fine. Firefox OTOH...well, the only device it supports right now is one of the fastest phones in existence, with large amount of RAM. Heck, Minimo was shelved few years ago because Mozilla couldn't make it fit.
All the features and more. I doubt Mozilla will be providing proxy servers to reformat and compress webpages anytime soon; or manages to make FF working on millions of feature phones with j2me 3rd party apps only.
Both Maemo and Symbian will rely on Qt for their UI and main API in next major versions, they will be quite close probably; with Maemo reserved for top of the line devices and Symbian pushed more and more into mainstream.
The S40 UI was updated to look like S60 a couple of years ago
I'd say the more adequate description would be that both S40 and S60 (up to v3) have been on the market for quite a while, targetting similar form-factors. So, considering they are from the same manufacturer, of course they will end up similar (never mind that it works both ways probably - Nokia tried to make S60 similar to S40, to ease transition for customers)
S40 has a webkit browser but can only be programmed by 3rd parties with Java, and can only run one application at a time apart from the music player
BTW @above...funny, so it has similar properties to iPhone (webkit, 3rd party devs don't have the same access as Apple ones, limited multitasking); why is iPhone a smartphone, again?
S60 can be programmed natively in Symbian C++, supports standard C/C++
Even better, Qt is officially supported now; and new Symbian edition is being built around it. So this OS might still end up very nice...
But our language and terminology exists to facilitate exchange of ideas. Any term which encompasses so many so different bodies looses most of any usable meaning.
Too broad a definition and it looses any meaning.
Besides, don't forget so conveniently that, apart from "planet" and "dwarf planet" distinction, there's also "terrestrial planet", "gas giant planet", "ice giant planet"...
So Mercury, Venus and perhaps Mars are not planets?
They are nowhere near "considerably" smaller than Pluto. Than Earth, maybe.
The "cleared its neighborhood" definition is absurd, since by that definition Earth is not a planet.
And that is simply not true (have you even read the definition?). Earth very much cleared it's neighbourhood; bodies in its vicinity are completelly dominated by its gravitation.
We have a proof!
James Webb Space Telescope might beat it in giving us "good" pictures of Pluto; assuming it will be launched in 2014, as planned currently. And who knows what Herschel Space Observatory might give us soon, if pointed at Pluto...
It is in this almost 3rd world country where I am right now (older Celerons are only marginally cheaper and simply not available anymore); I would say that's more representative regarding prices at which those CPUs are bought.
And I assume your estimate was for 1.8 GHz? (what's the point in estimating minutes?) How conveniently you assumed that the performance scales linearly...