But it _will_ do images in visible range. But you can't know this, our stories were rejected (oh, and at the same time 2 stories about Hubble replacement in style of "I've got nightmares this night" were posted)
You'd know that for a long time already, but Slashdot editors never accepted my entry or any of the few others (from few people I know - one finishes studying English philology, so their poor grammar wasn't the cause). Namely: in less than 2 years ESA launches Herschell Space Observatory, which recently was assembled and completed important part of testing. It will be put around L2 (yep, like JWST), operate in infrared (yep), but of course will be put at least 5 years earlier than JWST. so Hubble can soon go without much damage.
Of course Slashot editors like to hysterize about the lack of American replacement for Hubble and disregard stories telling that soon we _will_ have replacement...and much better.
At least "classic" PAL models starting with the first one shipping with Dual Shock (I don't remember exact model number) had 4MB of main RAM. As I've said, it was rarely/never used (probably it was just cost cutting measure - it was cheaper to use such chips starting from end of 98)
She won't care. It's always easier to phone you - after all, you have moral obligation to respond to her every demand [/sarcasm]
And, likewise, no users will care. They have post-it all over monitor describing step-by-step how to do things in MS Office, anything different is worse, end of discussion:/
Actually, PS1 has 1MB of Video RAM (also models starting from around 98 have 4MB main RAM...but that's moot point anyway since it was used at most as data buffer, often not at all). But of course your argumentation is correct.
No point really. The ones who would wish to know how good is AMD already know this. Some poeple have very close relatives who have taken care of this. Rest will just believe what salesmen tell them no matter what. So they usually end up with something like P4 with 256MB of RAM on cheapest ECS board with Via chipset. And Nvidia Gf5200 (hey, the board is total no name, but it's Nvidia after all, and Nvidia is the best). And cheapest LCD monitor NOT connected via DVI (it's not that salesmenn don't tell about DVI, they say "it's pointless, when you turn on font antialiasing it looks identical on thois cheaper display" - yep, heard that). And Creative soundcard, even the simplest and most shitty, but - it's Creative. And did I mention cheapest case/keyboard/motherboard/HDD?
Uhmmm...sorry, you have no idea how far Poles get. By 1938 they were able to rutinelly decipher all intercepted transmission in realtime practically, on a daily basis. The only problem remaining was that in rare event when THE ENIGMAS ITSELF SLIGHTLY CHANGED (yes, the machines itself, not just settings) figuring out what/how changed took few weeks minimum. But Enigma was fully broken by them. Heck, they introduced new theorems to mathematics, theorems without which braking the Enigma simply wouldn't be possible. Bletchley Park perfected those methods, starting with the knowledge that Polish Government gave its allies in the wake of war. Their great achievement was perfecting them to a point where also figuring out the changes in constuction of machines became routine work. But that doesn't mean they broke it (in similar fashion like perfecting rocketry after the war didn't lowered achievemts of Werner von Braun; analogy is quite close BTW - the polish matematicians that broke it, worked in Bletchley Park)
And form my observations, Polish contributions to WW2 are practically always overlooked:/
Yes, and by congratulating their team they've put some urban myth...on statue's plaque:/ Namely, it weren't code breakers in Britain's Bletchley Park that broke Enigma code, those accomplishent was done by polish matematicians before WW2. Granted, Bletchley Park team perfected he methods, making them faster in deciphering and faster adapting to changes in Enigmas...but they didn't decipehred it (and BTW, where do you think those polish matematicians ended at the beggining of the war with whole their knowledge and experience?)
Too bad that complicated geopolitacl situation after the war made possible for this myth to fluorish that much that even information search company is tricked:/
Well, there's always...the other processor for example (I'll get into that later, it adresses really other thing you mentioned). Or handling interrupts... And GFX isn't independent...
And I don't know how's that in your place, but I'm used to the idea that the one who joins discussion "adapts" to what's the whole thing about, or makes clear that talks about something else...
And I wouldn't call the performance "poor". For its time, those were one of most capable systems money can buy. Besides, K7's weren't exactly that memory hungry, look at the gains in performance with transition from SDR to DDR.
And now the last, cache topic, at which I hinted at the beggining. Of course this has always been the problem with multiprocessor systems, usually giving some perf. hit. And one of main advantages of independent bus is that processors can talk to each other without going through RAM (which can be used at that time by some other device BTW...).
Please, use Google from now one, from quick glimpse I can see that the very first result about "amd 760mp" isn't bad.
I wasn't touching the subject of ram in my original post at all. Following rules of logic, your "Unpossible" was reffering to notion of two independent buses, one to each processor (in contrast to Intel's chips, when cpu's share one bus). So for someone talking about FSB your voice might seems like gibberish. But what to expect, this is/., not a lot of people talk really here to each other.. (note: it's practically impossible to say in English, without putting it in front of you, what I mean here...)
And...you present extremelly simplistic view. You forgot entirelly that when one processor communicates with memory, the other, thanks ti its independant bus, can work with something else...
As I've said, nothing against the technology itself (unless I'm on something low-specs), just the way it is (ab)used, from the point of consumer, which I will remain BTW...
OTOH things might make problems with "aesthetic" part more visible... ("uhhh...now I could do whole page in flashy Flash, full of effects and it'll be still fast). Yeah, I guess I think in this case that everything that could go bad - will.
It's a pragmatic thing mostly. I often find myself using very low end computers with 128/96/sometimes 64 mb of ram (cafe, uni, such stuff). You learn to hate Flash in such cases, especially since on part of these machines you are unable to use any flash blocking.
Oh, and also aesthetic part of it, a bit. More often than not, things made in Flash look...flashy, but pathetic.
Heh, you're forgetting that K7 didn't have integrated memory controller. Look, EV6 bus, than K7 used, is point-to-point, it is uncapable of serving two processors, therefore AMD MP chipset had to had two of them.
Oh, no, and I won't search any papers on AMD site, it's in your interest to be not wrong about something, not mine - and I won't do your homework.
Actually, this was not AMD crap, but chipset/motherboard manufacturers crap.
It's sad a little that at many points in time you had to do some research to buy good combination (which often wasn't the one recommended in typical reviews and such...) For example, AMDs of the time paired with Intel chipsets for Pentium were great. Same later K6 with Ali chipset. Or K7 with AMD ones, and also Nvidia and SiS starting from 735. Actually, I think that not continuing the 750 (mainly) and 760 (partially) was AMD's biggest mistake. Because of problems with Via KT133A/686B, it allowed Intel to recover.
This is from Canopus forums: (and can be found in many other places)
"CHIP FIRM VIA issued a note to its customers telling them of problems with chipset support for hard drives using the Serial ATA II standard.
It said that VT8237 and VT8237R chipsets don't provide forward compatibility for S-ATA II, which is important as hard drive makers are beginning to manufacture this type of drive.
But Via is readying the release of VT8237R Plus, which will solve the problem. This means that motherboard makers that use the former chipset should clear their inventory before September.
Hard drive manufacturers position with S-ATA II is as follows, said Via in its note. Western Digital and Samsung are already shipping these devices, while Seagate and Maxtor will start shipping them during this quarter.
If you connect S-ATA II drives to an old Via chipset which includes the VT8237, VT8237R, VT6420 and VT6421L, the devices won't be detected.
Some mobo makers, such as Epox, have already responded to the problem and have warned their customers to seek the support of hard drive vendors. In a letter to its customers, it said that they should also check the specs of other manufacturers' Via based motherboards."
Also, thir subpar PCI performance means that any PCI-bandwith hungry devices don't work well. But yeah, generally it's good for typical use these days, and can even give you not a bad thing for the amount of money...just don't expect too much.
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Fact 1: cats always fall on four feet
Fact 2: bread slice always falls with the butter side down
So...put a bread with butter on top of a cat, and throw it through the window.
Antigravity device ready.
It doesn't make any images.
It's not up.
But it _will_ do images in visible range. But you can't know this, our stories were rejected (oh, and at the same time 2 stories about Hubble replacement in style of "I've got nightmares this night" were posted)
Not only. Also science stuff.
You'd know that for a long time already, but Slashdot editors never accepted my entry or any of the few others (from few people I know - one finishes studying English philology, so their poor grammar wasn't the cause).
Namely: in less than 2 years ESA launches Herschell Space Observatory, which recently was assembled and completed important part of testing. It will be put around L2 (yep, like JWST), operate in infrared (yep), but of course will be put at least 5 years earlier than JWST. so Hubble can soon go without much damage.
Of course Slashot editors like to hysterize about the lack of American replacement for Hubble and disregard stories telling that soon we _will_ have replacement...and much better.
Wrong.
At least "classic" PAL models starting with the first one shipping with Dual Shock (I don't remember exact model number) had 4MB of main RAM. As I've said, it was rarely/never used (probably it was just cost cutting measure - it was cheaper to use such chips starting from end of 98)
She won't care.
:/
It's always easier to phone you - after all, you have moral obligation to respond to her every demand [/sarcasm]
And, likewise, no users will care. They have post-it all over monitor describing step-by-step how to do things in MS Office, anything different is worse, end of discussion
Actually, PS1 has 1MB of Video RAM (also models starting from around 98 have 4MB main RAM...but that's moot point anyway since it was used at most as data buffer, often not at all).
But of course your argumentation is correct.
IMO, PS2 isn't any more out of place (the original model of course)
No point really. The ones who would wish to know how good is AMD already know this. Some poeple have very close relatives who have taken care of this. Rest will just believe what salesmen tell them no matter what. So they usually end up with something like P4 with 256MB of RAM on cheapest ECS board with Via chipset. And Nvidia Gf5200 (hey, the board is total no name, but it's Nvidia after all, and Nvidia is the best). And cheapest LCD monitor NOT connected via DVI (it's not that salesmenn don't tell about DVI, they say "it's pointless, when you turn on font antialiasing it looks identical on thois cheaper display" - yep, heard that). And Creative soundcard, even the simplest and most shitty, but - it's Creative. And did I mention cheapest case/keyboard/motherboard/HDD?
Uhmmm...sorry, you have no idea how far Poles get. By 1938 they were able to rutinelly decipher all intercepted transmission in realtime practically, on a daily basis.
:/
The only problem remaining was that in rare event when THE ENIGMAS ITSELF SLIGHTLY CHANGED (yes, the machines itself, not just settings) figuring out what/how changed took few weeks minimum.
But Enigma was fully broken by them. Heck, they introduced new theorems to mathematics, theorems without which braking the Enigma simply wouldn't be possible.
Bletchley Park perfected those methods, starting with the knowledge that Polish Government gave its allies in the wake of war. Their great achievement was perfecting them to a point where also figuring out the changes in constuction of machines became routine work. But that doesn't mean they broke it (in similar fashion like perfecting rocketry after the war didn't lowered achievemts of Werner von Braun; analogy is quite close BTW - the polish matematicians that broke it, worked in Bletchley Park)
And form my observations, Polish contributions to WW2 are practically always overlooked
Yep, just look at the top of Slashodt, how Google logo overlaps Yahoo logo :P
Yes, and by congratulating their team they've put some urban myth...on statue's plaque :/
:/
Namely, it weren't code breakers in Britain's Bletchley Park that broke Enigma code, those accomplishent was done by polish matematicians before WW2. Granted, Bletchley Park team perfected he methods, making them faster in deciphering and faster adapting to changes in Enigmas...but they didn't decipehred it (and BTW, where do you think those polish matematicians ended at the beggining of the war with whole their knowledge and experience?)
Too bad that complicated geopolitacl situation after the war made possible for this myth to fluorish that much that even information search company is tricked
Well, there's always...the other processor for example (I'll get into that later, it adresses really other thing you mentioned). Or handling interrupts... And GFX isn't independent...
And I don't know how's that in your place, but I'm used to the idea that the one who joins discussion "adapts" to what's the whole thing about, or makes clear that talks about something else...
And I wouldn't call the performance "poor". For its time, those were one of most capable systems money can buy. Besides, K7's weren't exactly that memory hungry, look at the gains in performance with transition from SDR to DDR.
And now the last, cache topic, at which I hinted at the beggining. Of course this has always been the problem with multiprocessor systems, usually giving some perf. hit. And one of main advantages of independent bus is that processors can talk to each other without going through RAM (which can be used at that time by some other device BTW...).
Please, use Google from now one, from quick glimpse I can see that the very first result about "amd 760mp" isn't bad.
I wasn't touching the subject of ram in my original post at all. Following rules of logic, your "Unpossible" was reffering to notion of two independent buses, one to each processor (in contrast to Intel's chips, when cpu's share one bus). So for someone talking about FSB your voice might seems like gibberish. /., not a lot of people talk really here to each other.. (note: it's practically impossible to say in English, without putting it in front of you, what I mean here...)
But what to expect, this is
And...you present extremelly simplistic view. You forgot entirelly that when one processor communicates with memory, the other, thanks ti its independant bus, can work with something else...
And also, none of them have noticed that this is perhaps long awaited Google Browser, in some way...
As I've said, nothing against the technology itself (unless I'm on something low-specs), just the way it is (ab)used, from the point of consumer, which I will remain BTW...
Great news.
OTOH things might make problems with "aesthetic" part more visible... ("uhhh...now I could do whole page in flashy Flash, full of effects and it'll be still fast). Yeah, I guess I think in this case that everything that could go bad - will.
Just look at their mainpage. They're old style "webportal", with goal to center its users around them wholly...
"You guys"? Tell that to parent poster...
It's a pragmatic thing mostly. I often find myself using very low end computers with 128/96/sometimes 64 mb of ram (cafe, uni, such stuff). You learn to hate Flash in such cases, especially since on part of these machines you are unable to use any flash blocking.
Oh, and also aesthetic part of it, a bit. More often than not, things made in Flash look...flashy, but pathetic.
Great...more "flash goodnes" everywhere...
Heh, you're forgetting that K7 didn't have integrated memory controller. Look, EV6 bus, than K7 used, is point-to-point, it is uncapable of serving two processors, therefore AMD MP chipset had to had two of them. Oh, no, and I won't search any papers on AMD site, it's in your interest to be not wrong about something, not mine - and I won't do your homework.
The buses in AMD MP chipset were independent (unless you mean North - South link...)
Actually, this was not AMD crap, but chipset/motherboard manufacturers crap.
It's sad a little that at many points in time you had to do some research to buy good combination (which often wasn't the one recommended in typical reviews and such...)
For example, AMDs of the time paired with Intel chipsets for Pentium were great. Same later K6 with Ali chipset. Or K7 with AMD ones, and also Nvidia and SiS starting from 735.
Actually, I think that not continuing the 750 (mainly) and 760 (partially) was AMD's biggest mistake. Because of problems with Via KT133A/686B, it allowed Intel to recover.
Via still has problems.
This is from Canopus forums: (and can be found in many other places)
"CHIP FIRM VIA issued a note to its customers telling them of problems with chipset support for hard drives using the Serial ATA II standard.
It said that VT8237 and VT8237R chipsets don't provide forward compatibility for S-ATA II, which is important as hard drive makers are beginning to manufacture this type of drive.
But Via is readying the release of VT8237R Plus, which will solve the problem. This means that motherboard makers that use the former chipset should clear their inventory before September.
Hard drive manufacturers position with S-ATA II is as follows, said Via in its note. Western Digital and Samsung are already shipping these devices, while Seagate and Maxtor will start shipping them during this quarter.
If you connect S-ATA II drives to an old Via chipset which includes the VT8237, VT8237R, VT6420 and VT6421L, the devices won't be detected.
Some mobo makers, such as Epox, have already responded to the problem and have warned their customers to seek the support of hard drive vendors. In a letter to its customers, it said that they should also check the specs of other manufacturers' Via based motherboards."
Also, thir subpar PCI performance means that any PCI-bandwith hungry devices don't work well.
But yeah, generally it's good for typical use these days, and can even give you not a bad thing for the amount of money...just don't expect too much.
It seems PowerPC will be very strong too...but in completelly different markets (consoles and embedded devices)