Payload to orbit of STS is in the range of quite a few other launchers. Nothing "nice" about system which ends up more expensive than them, and wastes ~90 tons of mass to LEO on airframe.
Once you're into the level of trying (it isn't even too straightforward...) to quantify the amount of evil done by each side on the international front - the PR starts to look really shaky.
Yes, I know perfectly well the level of USSR crimes - that's why the great PR enjoyed by one side cracks me up. Because the levels of crimes were easily comparable in most of the world - Asia, Africa, Latin America (in some places one side bringing more harm, in some places the other)... thing is, nobody seems to really (really really) care about such lesser places. The greatest mistake of the Soviet Union - similar actions (still mostly nowhere to such a degree as the 3rd (using modern colloquial, not Cold War meaning) world, I can assure you!!) in Europe - to Caucasian populations, generally. Very visible and vocal places, very cared about.
That was just horrible PR-wise / gave the PR line of the other side massively more impact.
(and yes, the spread of communism was countered by the spread of "free market" - because not democracy, not even close; it isn't apparent that was ever the "worthy goal" - that's the point of Chomsky link)
It's not so much a matter of punishment, as much as of... decency. Most basic decency. There's no admission of (continuing!) crimes; there is being marveled about how mostly fabulous we are, how much better than lesser people. Your initial post, how we are great and shouldn't be lumped together with such horrible places like Egypt or China or Iran... is indecent.
(and just to be clear: I'm fully aware that I personally (and my place in general) immensely benefit from the past and current policy of, also, the US - but that doesn't mean I have to be convinced in feel-good self perception)
One would think 2 decades (and not a very clear end in sight yet) should be enough... besides, when retreating to "legacy", it's only prudent to mention earlier steps (to not sound like another PR). Maybe back to, say, mentioned in the above link drive in Russia to break away from semi-colonial dependency almost a century ago?
(I know perfectly what they did BTW, having intimate experience with one place formerly behind the Iron Curtain; it's just how the very successful PR of one side - demonstrated also by widespread opinions similar to your first post - cracks me up... and how suddenly it can become, sometimes, just "they did the same")
Typical stereoscopy (!="3D") doesn't seem particularly attractive for such quite smooth almost-sphere, anyway...
But what we have now is very much a 3D model of current state of the whole Sun (well, polar regions probably suffer major loss of detail, as well as more equatorial regions which are at a given moment viewed from very acute angles)
Stereoscopy (!="3D") isn't particularly attractive for such, quite "smooth" for the distances involved, almost-sphere anyway...
But what they now achieved is very much 3D - we can have a decent, current 3D model of whole Sun (well, polar regions most likely suffer major loss of detail, as well as lowest latitudes which aren't at any given point in "head on" view)
always stop and think if something you're doing will be infringing on the rights of someone else
But a straightforward ability to ignore such violations, to convince oneself in being oh so good and having higher moral ground, is one of the nicest things about the export of suffering...
Well, the quote does say if - "if if it ever wants to force connectivity on a country against its ruler’s wishes". Obviously it doesn't include situations when the dictatorship is on the "good" side, duh!
Generally, has it ever been not about our interests?...
Doesn't porn limit those people to a sufficient extent? (really, consider: specimens most eager for reproductive activities - record them... recordings are then disseminated... and, also, provide a way of release to many, decreasing their chances of contributing to the gene pool)
How would those connotations (which I hardly noticed, not being native EN speaker; luckily you pointed them out) even work in such field? Hm, maybe you should think about contributing to some honeypot efforts?
Briefly put, it seems that all this "controversy" is about being uncomfortable with anything which can undermine their ancient answer to the question "who is in charge of the Earth?"...
Luckily, we have examples how it's possible to mostly snap out of it, via Vatican (that's already more than half of Christianity; emphasis below mine):
How do the conclusions reached by the various scientific disciplines coincide with those contained in the message of revelation? And if, at first sight, there are apparent contradictions, in what direction do we look for their solution? We know, in fact, that truth cannot contradict truth ...
It is necessary to determine the proper sense of Scripture, while avoiding any unwarranted interpretations that make it say what it does not intend to say. In order to delineate the field of their own study, the exegete and the theologian must keep informed about the results achieved by the natural sciences
...
new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.
PS. How many of the "concerned" in the style of grandparent poster are false flag concern trolls, essentially?
Unless, as it seems to be the case, the formal side of the cash injection in question was specifically done in a way allowing circumvention of the rules...
Indeed they can. But why now, why not 100 years ago? ("obvious" to any contemporaries characterization of some social movement as "way beyond sane"... doesn't really tell us much)
Just so you know - male lactation does happen (unless ones really prefers to call such cases "pathologic galactorrhea"), and supposedly it's not too hard to induce it;>
(many areas of Wikimedia seem quite suited for social interaction BTW...)
Though there are differences of course... and we could exploit them (especially if not limiting ourselves just to Wikipedia - Wikimedia has quite a few different angles). Social side of workings of the foundation, events reporting for Wikinews, contact with local communities / bringing cultural treasures to Commons and Wikisource, maybe also Wikibooks and Wikiversity.
Those shouldn't stumble on the existing clique so much. Might largely dissolve it eventually; and result in many nice things.
You're using, as an example, people of age with rampant levels of ostracism / etc. for very petty reasons? (not saying we're not different; but bringing such, in practice, scoffers is really not the best choice for proving the point)
Such people might also easily discourage contributions, easily create somewhat hostile culture. Even if only in types of article topics which are valued more than the "girly" ones...
Focusing on Wikipedia, vs. Wikimedia, might be generally a wrong approach. The latter, as a whole, might easily provide more conductive grounds, where more "girly" perspective might easily be an advantage (no reason for the "correction" to be homogeneous across subprojects).
The Wikimedia - involvement in actions of the foundation, they often have a social side. Gathering materials for Commons and Wikisource, even things already cherished might be a (re)discovery of an old treasure, for the world. Wikibooks of some kinds, certain fields in Wikiversity. WIkinews about events more to their liking. Generally, working with many local communities.
It might even filter out and help correct any possible faults in the WIkipedia.
Actually, using maths, calculating time dilation for emitting galaxy would be somewhat redundant (since we can't know). It's an exercise in hypothetical. In which you seem inclined to accept an event with an apparent age (via our standard and - again - almost certainly always appropriate extraction out of distance) in quite weird relation to the time in its place of origin - now it starts to look less practical (again, not wrong - round trip clears up the changes in one reference frame without paradoxes; without a need of reverting to ontology (your perspective is slightly inflexible here too BTW - quite a bit more approaches than solipsism))
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Remotely commanded is probably better wording?
I'd trust "the most reliable means of space travel ... the most frequently used launch vehicle in the world" (but hey, you're free to trust private enterprises, they don't ever cut corners after all, no sir)
BTW, the final mission to Mir of the above spacecraft was privately funded IIRC, so that's not a new approach...
Payload to orbit of STS is in the range of quite a few other launchers. Nothing "nice" about system which ends up more expensive than them, and wastes ~90 tons of mass to LEO on airframe.
...and boosted to orbit as a payload of expendable launcher (with Russian main engine, to boot)
Once you're into the level of trying (it isn't even too straightforward...) to quantify the amount of evil done by each side on the international front - the PR starts to look really shaky.
... thing is, nobody seems to really (really really) care about such lesser places. The greatest mistake of the Soviet Union - similar actions (still mostly nowhere to such a degree as the 3rd (using modern colloquial, not Cold War meaning) world, I can assure you!!) in Europe - to Caucasian populations, generally. Very visible and vocal places, very cared about.
Yes, I know perfectly well the level of USSR crimes - that's why the great PR enjoyed by one side cracks me up. Because the levels of crimes were easily comparable in most of the world - Asia, Africa, Latin America (in some places one side bringing more harm, in some places the other)
That was just horrible PR-wise / gave the PR line of the other side massively more impact.
(and yes, the spread of communism was countered by the spread of "free market" - because not democracy, not even close; it isn't apparent that was ever the "worthy goal" - that's the point of Chomsky link)
It's not so much a matter of punishment, as much as of... decency. Most basic decency. There's no admission of (continuing!) crimes; there is being marveled about how mostly fabulous we are, how much better than lesser people. Your initial post, how we are great and shouldn't be lumped together with such horrible places like Egypt or China or Iran... is indecent.
(and just to be clear: I'm fully aware that I personally (and my place in general) immensely benefit from the past and current policy of, also, the US - but that doesn't mean I have to be convinced in feel-good self perception)
(apologies for, essentially, double posting; after the 2nd, above, it turned out it wasn't my failure, but some hiccup of the discussion system...)
One would think 2 decades (and not a very clear end in sight yet) should be enough... besides, when retreating to "legacy", it's only prudent to mention earlier steps (to not sound like another PR). Maybe back to, say, mentioned in the above link drive in Russia to break away from semi-colonial dependency almost a century ago?
... and how suddenly it can become, sometimes, just "they did the same")
(I know perfectly what they did BTW, having intimate experience with one place formerly behind the Iron Curtain; it's just how the very successful PR of one side - demonstrated also by widespread opinions similar to your first post - cracks me up
Typical stereoscopy (!="3D") doesn't seem particularly attractive for such quite smooth almost-sphere, anyway...
But what we have now is very much a 3D model of current state of the whole Sun (well, polar regions probably suffer major loss of detail, as well as more equatorial regions which are at a given moment viewed from very acute angles)
Stereoscopy (!="3D") isn't particularly attractive for such, quite "smooth" for the distances involved, almost-sphere anyway...
But what they now achieved is very much 3D - we can have a decent, current 3D model of whole Sun (well, polar regions most likely suffer major loss of detail, as well as lowest latitudes which aren't at any given point in "head on" view)
Indeed, many places are (or were) "far, far worse in terms of the rights of its citizens", as you put it; we should be grateful they're even willing to accept import of suffering.
(why do you think "rule by consent" precludes fear and, partly, force from being elements of it?)
always stop and think if something you're doing will be infringing on the rights of someone else
But a straightforward ability to ignore such violations, to convince oneself in being oh so good and having higher moral ground, is one of the nicest things about the export of suffering...
Well, the quote does say if - "if if it ever wants to force connectivity on a country against its ruler’s wishes". Obviously it doesn't include situations when the dictatorship is on the "good" side, duh!
Generally, has it ever been not about our interests?...
Doesn't porn limit those people to a sufficient extent? (really, consider: specimens most eager for reproductive activities - record them ... recordings are then disseminated ... and, also, provide a way of release to many, decreasing their chances of contributing to the gene pool)
How would those connotations (which I hardly noticed, not being native EN speaker; luckily you pointed them out) even work in such field? Hm, maybe you should think about contributing to some honeypot efforts?
Luckily, we have examples how it's possible to mostly snap out of it, via Vatican (that's already more than half of Christianity; emphasis below mine):
How do the conclusions reached by the various scientific disciplines coincide with those contained in the message of revelation? And if, at first sight, there are apparent contradictions, in what direction do we look for their solution? We know, in fact, that truth cannot contradict truth
...
It is necessary to determine the proper sense of Scripture, while avoiding any unwarranted interpretations that make it say what it does not intend to say. In order to delineate the field of their own study, the exegete and the theologian must keep informed about the results achieved by the natural sciences
...
new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.
PS. How many of the "concerned" in the style of grandparent poster are false flag concern trolls, essentially?
Unless, as it seems to be the case, the formal side of the cash injection in question was specifically done in a way allowing circumvention of the rules...
(all those who, for some stupid reason, just lurked for the first few early years are now weeping, huddled in the corner)
Indeed they can. But why now, why not 100 years ago? ("obvious" to any contemporaries characterization of some social movement as "way beyond sane" ... doesn't really tell us much)
Just so you know - male lactation does happen (unless ones really prefers to call such cases "pathologic galactorrhea"), and supposedly it's not too hard to induce it ;>
(many areas of Wikimedia seem quite suited for social interaction BTW...)
Though there are differences of course... and we could exploit them (especially if not limiting ourselves just to Wikipedia - Wikimedia has quite a few different angles). Social side of workings of the foundation, events reporting for Wikinews, contact with local communities / bringing cultural treasures to Commons and Wikisource, maybe also Wikibooks and Wikiversity.
Those shouldn't stumble on the existing clique so much. Might largely dissolve it eventually; and result in many nice things.
You're using, as an example, people of age with rampant levels of ostracism / etc. for very petty reasons? (not saying we're not different; but bringing such, in practice, scoffers is really not the best choice for proving the point)
Such things are always called "way beyond sane" by many, at whatever stage...
Such people might also easily discourage contributions, easily create somewhat hostile culture. Even if only in types of article topics which are valued more than the "girly" ones...
Focusing on Wikipedia, vs. Wikimedia, might be generally a wrong approach. The latter, as a whole, might easily provide more conductive grounds, where more "girly" perspective might easily be an advantage (no reason for the "correction" to be homogeneous across subprojects).
The Wikimedia - involvement in actions of the foundation, they often have a social side. Gathering materials for Commons and Wikisource, even things already cherished might be a (re)discovery of an old treasure, for the world. Wikibooks of some kinds, certain fields in Wikiversity. WIkinews about events more to their liking. Generally, working with many local communities.
It might even filter out and help correct any possible faults in the WIkipedia.
Look at the dates in the story.
Actually, using maths, calculating time dilation for emitting galaxy would be somewhat redundant (since we can't know). It's an exercise in hypothetical. In which you seem inclined to accept an event with an apparent age (via our standard and - again - almost certainly always appropriate extraction out of distance) in quite weird relation to the time in its place of origin - now it starts to look less practical (again, not wrong - round trip clears up the changes in one reference frame without paradoxes; without a need of reverting to ontology (your perspective is slightly inflexible here too BTW - quite a bit more approaches than solipsism))