There is a lot of free music on the net in all genres. Yet people still believe good music is "What I hear on the radio". Many individual musicians have free downloads on their home site and major sites like Amazon and Download.com have free downloads. Some people consider the free sites and indies as "inferior" when in fact many are musically and technically superior to the major labels products. The illusion of percieved value is created by the media and as long as people continue to buy into it then they run the risk of the litigation and fines. Look at it this way: Everytime you purchase a major label(RIAA) artist you are paying for someone else's prosecution and persecution or maybe even your own.
Dennis Jennings http://celestial-image.com
I used to think like that till I got a check for mine being played. Most retail and environmental music now is the same music that is heard on the radio or is radio repertory. A musician that gets his music on these services is heard by more people in a day than playing a lifetime of smokey bars. In this time of a few corporations controlling the airwaves getting your music played anywhere is very difficult. You can hear my elevator music at http://celestial-image.com
If your an independent artist or on a small label your not going to get on Itunes and these other services. It doesnt matter how good your music is! Peter is dead on with his assessment and it is happening now. Technology has leveled the playing field somewhat but the labels and media companies hate that and are taking over content control. It took them awhile to adjust to the new scenario but now they have the upper hand. RIAA is now creating the Golden download award but dont expect any surprises here. It will be the same artists that get promoted in the media and have corporate ties. The concept that a musical group or individual can put their music on the internet and make a living off the merit of the music marketing directly to the public is fading fast.
Dennis Jennings
Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
It is indeed very difficult to promote your music in your own way. When just a few companies own most of the radio stations and the playlist is programmed. Even if the disk jockey is your brother you wont get commercial play. The independent artist can sell CDs from his website and at live performances etc. but it takes corporate muscle to get into Best Buy etc.
While the main focus of this post is the perceived success of itunes try getting your music to be put on itunes if your an indie artist.
Dennis Jennings ASCAP
Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
The idea of an artist selling directly to the public without a record label on the net is wonderful in theory. However, the way things are the labels and the media provide the promotion which creates the demand and it is that demand that stimulates sales of individual tunes on the net as a cheaper alternative to CD purchase. If an artist is not well known and just puts music out for paid download it yields little money. Musical quality is irrelevant it is the listeners perception of getting a bargain that is crucial to making money off downloads on the net. I have had thousands of downloads of my music but when I put a download fee on a tune it is avoided. For instance one tune which has been extensively traded on P2P networks when I put a download fee at my own website earns nothing. Much as I hate to admit it the labels and the media still have their hands on the controls.
I dont know the situation for TMBG but I would be surprised if the label did not have their hands in it somehow.
Dennis Jennings ASCAP
Celestial Image.com http://celestial-image.com
go to any inner city grocery store and ask if they have "Shrek2" on VHS or maybe even DVD and it probably will magically appear despite not being officially released. Studios lose big money on this.
You may not consider the quality very good, but to a great many people it doesnt matter. This underground film distribution is very profitable for the pirate and for the stores. I use the word pirate here because it is not someone who has is sharing a mpg file this is a person making money off selling illegally obtained goods. You can say the corporations have lots of money, but these loses mean higher ticket prices at the box office and for movie rental and purchase for us.
I will keep chanting this mantra till people understand it. "I dont care if people download and share my music just as long as they dont profit from it." In this period of media control by a few companies just about the only way people can listen to you is if your being shared on the net, I welcome people downloading my music and passing it back and forth. General Mills gives out tons of cereal as samples so people will try it and then buy it. I do object when individuals and companies use my music without paying me to make a profit. There are people that are downloading and selling that music to others. There are companies that use music in retail and multimedia applications that do not pay licensing or royalties. There are people in other countries that are illegally reproducing music and selling it in mass quantities. These are the true pirates that the people at the RIAA should focus their efforts upon. Please keep in mind "Pirates" of yesteryear stole valuables and then sold them they did not share.
Dennis Jennings
Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
CNet created Music Download.com and many of the former MP3.com artists put music on there. Now there is a another MP3.com with major label artists, except for the link in the upper right hand corner to Music Download.com. Currently it costs nothing for the artist to put music on Music Download.com and there is traffic there. As long as they dont put the bite on the indie artist like VU MP3.com did it is okay. If you notice MP3.com does not have any classical but Music Download does. In this age of corporations controlling radio and major media any chance for an indie artist is appreciated.
Dennis Jennings
Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
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Its also called "Dummyhead" sound. Which fits the CEO scenario
Ok there are a bunch of guys marching down the street claiming to be "Pirates of the Internet" with a banner. The skull in the "Skull and Crossbones" appears to be a modified cassette tape. Didnt we live thru this in the 80s? Has anyone told them they can download and burn stuff on CD?
Dennis Jennings
Celestial Image.com http://celestial-image.com
The word "Interactive" pops up a great deal. What seems to be evolving are 2 camps of media one active and one passive. Passive media like television and cinema take the viewer on a visual journey the flow of thoughts and emotions pretty much under the control of the film's producer. Interactive media like the internet, video games and reading require either cognitive or physical responses to stimuli induced by the viewer or media producer. I believe the ultimate goal of game creators is to create simulations of real life experiences. What most interactive media producers fail to realize is the need of an intermediary between the technology and the user.
Even the simplest user interface requires time for a person to acclimate to. In the home environment the user is left on his own to develop his skill.
However the creation of realtime cinema creates the possibility of a social dynamic occuring between the user and the game as well as the possibility of others interacting to the game via the internet networking. What is necessary, is to develop intermediaries that assist the learning curve and prevents predictable habits of behavior forming.
In the late 70s early 80s I worked in a computer controlled planetarium. When we brought children into this sophisticated marvel we found they were unimpressed. We found that we had to create a guided environment so that they deal with the technology at their own cognitive level. I mentioned reading as an interactive media because the reader has to mentally create the images evoked by the words. Imagine if you had never seen a book and then had one put in front of you and were told to read it. Our parents and teachers have served as intermediaries between the media and our ability to understand it. I feel the video game industry has failed to develop intermediaries so the ability to create lifelike simulation visuals can be just a vacuous toy unless carefully handled and structured.
Musicians love making music. Athletes love sport and competition. Artists love creating imagery. Programmers love creating software. Engineers love designing things. Cooks love cooking. Why should these people be paid? Would you go to a restaurant enjoy the meal and then tell the server what a great meal it was and walk out without paying?
Professional musicians invest a great deal of time and money in their education and equipment. If the record companies promote the lazy whiners and the public buys into it, whose fault is it? The state of music education in this country is terrible so
the door is open for commercial interests to put any crap in a nice package and sell it. The old definition of music was "stuff I hear on the radio" but the internet opens the media possibilities to redefine the definition of music to "stuff I like". The catch is YOU must support the music YOU like or it will disappear.
Dennis Jennings
Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
I started an artist forum on Grokster, then they allied themselves with one of those A&R services that are supposed to help people get in the music biz for a price. Suddenly, I became a non-entity there. P2Ps like advertising not artists. I dont mind people sharing my music on a P2P its a great way to become part of a persons share files that others browse thru. The hassle is people mess with the tags and just the popups and garbage that goes with the P2P. I think a lot of artists dont mind people sharing their music, just as long as they are not profiting from it.
If you selected the box for Trusonic when you uploaded your songs to the old MP3.com it still is available but if you did not it is gone. The revival of the archive is just a come on to get people to pay for hosting songs on Garageband that previously was free. I like the CNet Music download.com it is not jammed full of major label people. The also dont feed visitors cookies and then email them Madonna news. The music is screened for quality, something the Old Mp3 did not do. If all it does is increase
traffic to my website, I will be happy.
Only the songs that were marked available for Trusonic retail service were saved. So if the artist did not check that box when uploading a song it is gone. The artist has the choice of 3 songs to upload on the Garageband site for free after that you have to pay. Garageband was a cool idea, but after awhile having 14 year olds tell you that your music sux gets real old. It never had the traffic of MP3.com or the services. I think the CNet resurrection of MP3.com's domain will be pretty exciting for artists.
Dennis Jennings http://celestial-image.com
As an artist streamripping, downloading, filesharing etc. does not bother me. However, if you sell or market this material in anyway and profit from it that bothers me a lot. The word "piracy" gets thrown around a lot but pirates did not loot ships to share things with their friends they did it so they could sell the material as their own......
Dennis Jennings
http://celestial-image.com
I am a musician and I dont mind people downloading my music and playing it and sharing it with people.
I do mind when people download music and then sell it to others. That is the issue here. Most people that bring video cameras to movie theaters are not going to use them for personal use, they will end up in small stores and they will be sold as videotapes or possibly DVDs before the movie is released to video stores. I think anybody on this list would not want something they created in anyform, being marketed by another person or business as their own.
The average theater goer does not want the hassle of watching the movie thru a viewfinder. I dont think the projectionist is the best person for this duty though, it should be the manager. The projectionist should be concerned about the correct presention of the film and the proper maintenance of the projector not police duties.
As soon as Pong appeared the medium of television changed. It suddenly became something that people could interact with, while interacting with each other. Games have since gone thru several incarnations. What is lacking in games is a group dynamic. Multi-player games are a step in the right direction but basically it is still very much a solitary win or lose situation. The next generation of games will be leaning more toward simulation with a group dynamic going on. What has been impeding the process is that game manufacturers have been using Hollywood passive entertainment as a creative source and not developing a new medium or exhibition method that has more social dynamics to it. Passive entertainment will always have a place but interactive entertainment needs to create its own unique entertainment models. What is necessary is to create and produce algorithmic entertainment that uses group as well as individual interactive experiences, more like focus groups and simulation rather than just storytelling.
Dennis Jennings
Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
Either on the net or on CDs it comes down to the distribution and promotion. The production costs are the risk. It is indeed a difficult time to develop a business strategy. For the independent artist it seems the net offers the opportunity to make some money and be heard outside the record and media companies grip on radio etc. I think the ideal situation while possibly not the most desired is to have advertising on the music site to offset those upfront costs and with promotion and sufficient traffic the advertising would increase. I dont know if being linked to a company or product is desirable.
As a musician I dont mind if people are sharing my music. I view it as a way of being heard. General Mills gives out tons of free samples as promotion.
Also if you didnt want people to hear your music why did you become a musician? What really hurts in many ways is someone putting their name or alias in the mp3 tag line. People may enjoy the song but will not know who did the music or where to obtain more of it.
If you enjoy the music please dont disrespect the artist by inserting your alias in the tagline.
Dennis Jennings
Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
How about this you put some music on the internet and let people take it for free. Then on the same site you put on some merchandise as well as the option of buying your CD. The merchandise is marked up so your profit is at least a dollar. If you promote it and if enough people share it and it gets play or some other good exposure the freebies attract 1,000,000 people to your website and out of that 2/3 buy something and you the artist gets $1 profit. Would you or your band be happy with over $630,000?
I am a musician and it seems in this battle our voices have been muted. The RIAA claims to represent copyrighted music. My music is copyrighted but I am not recieving any benefit from them. They seem to believe that the only copyrighted music that exists is owned by record labels and Independent artists seem to be ignored. I have had my music on the net since 1999 and thru downloads, file sharing and audio streaming I have been heard by thousands. Having an internet presence has also increased my commercial value. Initially I was against file sharing until I found out that I was being shared, which now is the newest definition of fame. People dont share things that are bad and they certainly dont risk prosecution for things they percieve as awful. While I would prefer people buying my music it is more important to me as a musician to be heard.
I think people should realize that the independent musician is not supported or promoted by a label.
When they email a band or musician he will probably read it. The caveat here is that while downloading the music and sharing it is okay the piper still must be paid. If you cant afford to buy a CD but you enjoy the artist buy some merchandise or at least pass the url and word on to some friends.
If you dont support Indie artists that share their music then you are empowering the labels and RIAA to control your musical values and how you use the internet.
Dennis Jennings Celestial Image
http://celestial-image.com
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There is a lot of free music on the net in all genres. Yet people still believe good music is "What I hear on the radio". Many individual musicians have free downloads on their home site and major sites like Amazon and Download.com have free downloads. Some people consider the free sites and indies as "inferior" when in fact many are musically and technically superior to the major labels products. The illusion of percieved value is created by the media and as long as people continue to buy into it then they run the risk of the litigation and fines. Look at it this way: Everytime you purchase a major label(RIAA) artist you are paying for someone else's prosecution and persecution or maybe even your own. Dennis Jennings http://celestial-image.com
I used to think like that till I got a check for mine being played. Most retail and environmental music now is the same music that is heard on the radio or is radio repertory. A musician that gets his music on these services is heard by more people in a day than playing a lifetime of smokey bars. In this time of a few corporations controlling the airwaves getting your music played anywhere is very difficult. You can hear my elevator music at http://celestial-image.com
you put them on your head and wonder..."Who was wearing these things before me? and what kind of critters or scalp diseases could they have had?"
If your an independent artist or on a small label your not going to get on Itunes and these other services. It doesnt matter how good your music is! Peter is dead on with his assessment and it is happening now. Technology has leveled the playing field somewhat but the labels and media companies hate that and are taking over content control. It took them awhile to adjust to the new scenario but now they have the upper hand. RIAA is now creating the Golden download award but dont expect any surprises here. It will be the same artists that get promoted in the media and have corporate ties. The concept that a musical group or individual can put their music on the internet and make a living off the merit of the music marketing directly to the public is fading fast. Dennis Jennings Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
I predict Bill Gates will be obsolete in the next 10 years.
It is indeed very difficult to promote your music in your own way. When just a few companies own most of the radio stations and the playlist is programmed. Even if the disk jockey is your brother you wont get commercial play. The independent artist can sell CDs from his website and at live performances etc. but it takes corporate muscle to get into Best Buy etc. While the main focus of this post is the perceived success of itunes try getting your music to be put on itunes if your an indie artist. Dennis Jennings ASCAP Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
The idea of an artist selling directly to the public without a record label on the net is wonderful in theory. However, the way things are the labels and the media provide the promotion which creates the demand and it is that demand that stimulates sales of individual tunes on the net as a cheaper alternative to CD purchase. If an artist is not well known and just puts music out for paid download it yields little money. Musical quality is irrelevant it is the listeners perception of getting a bargain that is crucial to making money off downloads on the net. I have had thousands of downloads of my music but when I put a download fee on a tune it is avoided. For instance one tune which has been extensively traded on P2P networks when I put a download fee at my own website earns nothing. Much as I hate to admit it the labels and the media still have their hands on the controls. I dont know the situation for TMBG but I would be surprised if the label did not have their hands in it somehow. Dennis Jennings ASCAP Celestial Image.com http://celestial-image.com
go to any inner city grocery store and ask if they have "Shrek2" on VHS or maybe even DVD and it probably will magically appear despite not being officially released. Studios lose big money on this. You may not consider the quality very good, but to a great many people it doesnt matter. This underground film distribution is very profitable for the pirate and for the stores. I use the word pirate here because it is not someone who has is sharing a mpg file this is a person making money off selling illegally obtained goods. You can say the corporations have lots of money, but these loses mean higher ticket prices at the box office and for movie rental and purchase for us.
I will keep chanting this mantra till people understand it. "I dont care if people download and share my music just as long as they dont profit from it." In this period of media control by a few companies just about the only way people can listen to you is if your being shared on the net, I welcome people downloading my music and passing it back and forth. General Mills gives out tons of cereal as samples so people will try it and then buy it. I do object when individuals and companies use my music without paying me to make a profit. There are people that are downloading and selling that music to others. There are companies that use music in retail and multimedia applications that do not pay licensing or royalties. There are people in other countries that are illegally reproducing music and selling it in mass quantities. These are the true pirates that the people at the RIAA should focus their efforts upon. Please keep in mind "Pirates" of yesteryear stole valuables and then sold them they did not share. Dennis Jennings Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
CNet created Music Download.com and many of the former MP3.com artists put music on there. Now there is a another MP3.com with major label artists, except for the link in the upper right hand corner to Music Download.com. Currently it costs nothing for the artist to put music on Music Download.com and there is traffic there. As long as they dont put the bite on the indie artist like VU MP3.com did it is okay. If you notice MP3.com does not have any classical but Music Download does. In this age of corporations controlling radio and major media any chance for an indie artist is appreciated. Dennis Jennings Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
Its also called "Dummyhead" sound. Which fits the CEO scenario
Ok there are a bunch of guys marching down the street claiming to be "Pirates of the Internet" with a banner. The skull in the "Skull and Crossbones" appears to be a modified cassette tape. Didnt we live thru this in the 80s? Has anyone told them they can download and burn stuff on CD? Dennis Jennings Celestial Image.com http://celestial-image.com
The word "Interactive" pops up a great deal. What seems to be evolving are 2 camps of media one active and one passive. Passive media like television and cinema take the viewer on a visual journey the flow of thoughts and emotions pretty much under the control of the film's producer. Interactive media like the internet, video games and reading require either cognitive or physical responses to stimuli induced by the viewer or media producer. I believe the ultimate goal of game creators is to create simulations of real life experiences. What most interactive media producers fail to realize is the need of an intermediary between the technology and the user. Even the simplest user interface requires time for a person to acclimate to. In the home environment the user is left on his own to develop his skill. However the creation of realtime cinema creates the possibility of a social dynamic occuring between the user and the game as well as the possibility of others interacting to the game via the internet networking. What is necessary, is to develop intermediaries that assist the learning curve and prevents predictable habits of behavior forming. In the late 70s early 80s I worked in a computer controlled planetarium. When we brought children into this sophisticated marvel we found they were unimpressed. We found that we had to create a guided environment so that they deal with the technology at their own cognitive level. I mentioned reading as an interactive media because the reader has to mentally create the images evoked by the words. Imagine if you had never seen a book and then had one put in front of you and were told to read it. Our parents and teachers have served as intermediaries between the media and our ability to understand it. I feel the video game industry has failed to develop intermediaries so the ability to create lifelike simulation visuals can be just a vacuous toy unless carefully handled and structured.
Musicians love making music. Athletes love sport and competition. Artists love creating imagery. Programmers love creating software. Engineers love designing things. Cooks love cooking. Why should these people be paid? Would you go to a restaurant enjoy the meal and then tell the server what a great meal it was and walk out without paying? Professional musicians invest a great deal of time and money in their education and equipment. If the record companies promote the lazy whiners and the public buys into it, whose fault is it? The state of music education in this country is terrible so the door is open for commercial interests to put any crap in a nice package and sell it. The old definition of music was "stuff I hear on the radio" but the internet opens the media possibilities to redefine the definition of music to "stuff I like". The catch is YOU must support the music YOU like or it will disappear. Dennis Jennings Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
I started an artist forum on Grokster, then they allied themselves with one of those A&R services that are supposed to help people get in the music biz for a price. Suddenly, I became a non-entity there. P2Ps like advertising not artists. I dont mind people sharing my music on a P2P its a great way to become part of a persons share files that others browse thru. The hassle is people mess with the tags and just the popups and garbage that goes with the P2P. I think a lot of artists dont mind people sharing their music, just as long as they are not profiting from it.
If you selected the box for Trusonic when you uploaded your songs to the old MP3.com it still is available but if you did not it is gone. The revival of the archive is just a come on to get people to pay for hosting songs on Garageband that previously was free. I like the CNet Music download.com it is not jammed full of major label people. The also dont feed visitors cookies and then email them Madonna news. The music is screened for quality, something the Old Mp3 did not do. If all it does is increase traffic to my website, I will be happy.
Only the songs that were marked available for Trusonic retail service were saved. So if the artist did not check that box when uploading a song it is gone. The artist has the choice of 3 songs to upload on the Garageband site for free after that you have to pay. Garageband was a cool idea, but after awhile having 14 year olds tell you that your music sux gets real old. It never had the traffic of MP3.com or the services. I think the CNet resurrection of MP3.com's domain will be pretty exciting for artists. Dennis Jennings http://celestial-image.com
As an artist streamripping, downloading, filesharing etc. does not bother me. However, if you sell or market this material in anyway and profit from it that bothers me a lot. The word "piracy" gets thrown around a lot but pirates did not loot ships to share things with their friends they did it so they could sell the material as their own...... Dennis Jennings http://celestial-image.com
I am a musician and I dont mind people downloading my music and playing it and sharing it with people. I do mind when people download music and then sell it to others. That is the issue here. Most people that bring video cameras to movie theaters are not going to use them for personal use, they will end up in small stores and they will be sold as videotapes or possibly DVDs before the movie is released to video stores. I think anybody on this list would not want something they created in anyform, being marketed by another person or business as their own. The average theater goer does not want the hassle of watching the movie thru a viewfinder. I dont think the projectionist is the best person for this duty though, it should be the manager. The projectionist should be concerned about the correct presention of the film and the proper maintenance of the projector not police duties.
As soon as Pong appeared the medium of television changed. It suddenly became something that people could interact with, while interacting with each other. Games have since gone thru several incarnations. What is lacking in games is a group dynamic. Multi-player games are a step in the right direction but basically it is still very much a solitary win or lose situation. The next generation of games will be leaning more toward simulation with a group dynamic going on. What has been impeding the process is that game manufacturers have been using Hollywood passive entertainment as a creative source and not developing a new medium or exhibition method that has more social dynamics to it. Passive entertainment will always have a place but interactive entertainment needs to create its own unique entertainment models. What is necessary is to create and produce algorithmic entertainment that uses group as well as individual interactive experiences, more like focus groups and simulation rather than just storytelling. Dennis Jennings Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
yes but these have magic locked within created by Gandalf
Either on the net or on CDs it comes down to the distribution and promotion. The production costs are the risk. It is indeed a difficult time to develop a business strategy. For the independent artist it seems the net offers the opportunity to make some money and be heard outside the record and media companies grip on radio etc. I think the ideal situation while possibly not the most desired is to have advertising on the music site to offset those upfront costs and with promotion and sufficient traffic the advertising would increase. I dont know if being linked to a company or product is desirable.
As a musician I dont mind if people are sharing my music. I view it as a way of being heard. General Mills gives out tons of free samples as promotion. Also if you didnt want people to hear your music why did you become a musician? What really hurts in many ways is someone putting their name or alias in the mp3 tag line. People may enjoy the song but will not know who did the music or where to obtain more of it. If you enjoy the music please dont disrespect the artist by inserting your alias in the tagline. Dennis Jennings Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com
How about this you put some music on the internet and let people take it for free. Then on the same site you put on some merchandise as well as the option of buying your CD. The merchandise is marked up so your profit is at least a dollar. If you promote it and if enough people share it and it gets play or some other good exposure the freebies attract 1,000,000 people to your website and out of that 2/3 buy something and you the artist gets $1 profit. Would you or your band be happy with over $630,000?
I am a musician and it seems in this battle our voices have been muted. The RIAA claims to represent copyrighted music. My music is copyrighted but I am not recieving any benefit from them. They seem to believe that the only copyrighted music that exists is owned by record labels and Independent artists seem to be ignored. I have had my music on the net since 1999 and thru downloads, file sharing and audio streaming I have been heard by thousands. Having an internet presence has also increased my commercial value. Initially I was against file sharing until I found out that I was being shared, which now is the newest definition of fame. People dont share things that are bad and they certainly dont risk prosecution for things they percieve as awful. While I would prefer people buying my music it is more important to me as a musician to be heard. I think people should realize that the independent musician is not supported or promoted by a label. When they email a band or musician he will probably read it. The caveat here is that while downloading the music and sharing it is okay the piper still must be paid. If you cant afford to buy a CD but you enjoy the artist buy some merchandise or at least pass the url and word on to some friends. If you dont support Indie artists that share their music then you are empowering the labels and RIAA to control your musical values and how you use the internet. Dennis Jennings Celestial Image http://celestial-image.com