you can't afford to be in business. Yeah, you could save a ton of money by eliminating workspace for all your non-management employees, but many people prefer to come in to work and sit down at a desk. If you want people to work for you, but you are too cheap to provide a workspace, how generous are you going to be when it comes to benefits, raises, or actually giving a crap about your employees?
People who run corporations like these are idiots. The next great decision is going to be to stop paying people, and staff entirely with unpaid interns, because, hey, it's a lot cheaper, and young college students are willing to do anything to say they were connected to a company like Sun. Why not take full advantage of that? The quality of the product is unimportant, it is how much money we can pack into the bank accounts of the "quality people," our managers and CEO's, right? Everyone else is just a warm body, surely.
>"show me all of the messages sent through server x that were to or from user y"
Your solution is typical of the much superior linux world - it does not address the problem, but that certainly didn't stop anyone from getting all cocky.:/
Given the number of "security experts" who can't manage to secure their own networks against basic configuration issues, you obviously do.
Since when is refusing to explain yourself seen as a sign of intelligence? Please make a succinct case for how much better off we'd all be if we could remove the word guest from a text file somewhere.
is internet liquor, something that makes you and other people seem wittier and more atractive online than you or they are in real life. You could call it eGoggles, and make it like a forum, only allow people to select questions and responses from a list of quotes by really witty people, and avatars of really attractive people. Then you might have something.
Quote from their website:
" We believe the Internet's greatness is the interaction it brings between people "
Spend a few days browsing forums, and even post to a few, and you quickly realize there are a lot of people out there you have no need to get to know better.
If you need the processing power of a gigahertz processor to make friends, you are in a world of trouble once you step away from your computer. Just MHO.
That depends. If you have a nasty break-up down the road, do you still thank your friend for hooking you up, or do you ask him why he didn't warn you about her cheating ways?
Well, when I care enough to put it on film for the ages, I don't want it to look like I used crappy $12 cameras.
I have seen some bad underground movies, and the worst are when the producers cut corners as if the viewer is retarded. If you can't afford Hollywood special effects, and your script requires them, pick another script!
Cutting corners and using really crappy substitutes only makes you look dumb/incompetent. Innovation is the result of doing new things or doing things a different way, not remaking Waterworld in your toilet using chunks of stool. Sure it's cheap, but it's crap. Your viewers will be able to tell.
How about, it isn't that big a deal to them. If you wanted a multi-use cheap digicam, the $12 Ritz disposable probably isn't what you are looking for. How much money do they stand to lose by the hacking, and how much would it cost to secure an el cheapo DISPOSABLE camera against any kind of circumvention? You do the math. Oh, wait, you don't understand. Well, get a smarter friend to help you do the math:)
but, but,...
I agree. What next? Someone is gonna figure out how to make your own crappy freeze-dried coffee from the discarded grounds in SuperAmerica dumpsters, using a standard microwave and freezer, and save all kinds of money by not buying Sanka anymore? And then the/. crowd is gonna jump all over it with posts about how lawyers are prolly gonna crack down on them for violating the Freeze-Dried Millenium Act?
Basically, I could go buy a $12 Ritz disposable digital camera, take 25 pics, spend some time reading various web pages, go buy a USB cable, buy a USB connector, solder the connector onto the camera, download and install some software some guy wrote, connect my el cheapo digicam to the USB cable, copy my crappy pics to my PC, print them on that crappy printer my company was throwing away but I was able to solder wires to the busted connector and jury-rig the ink cart so I could refill it with my el cheapo toner of old cigarette ashes and stale coffee, and I'm done? And then I can show all my crappy pics to my friends, and have them laugh at me and call me a dumb cheapskate for wasting my time trying to get unlimited use out of something that is so obvously not worth the effort?
Wouldn't it make a whole lot more sense to simply buy the Target special I saw for $25 the other day (which is probably less money than you would spend trying to "crack" Ritz's camera, even assuming your time is free because you have no marketable skills)? Which comes with a cable and everything?
Gee, I see why people are wondering if Ritz is gonna come after them. It is so clear that Ritz stands to lose tons of cash once people realize they can take crappy pics with a crappy camera without having to shell out $12 dollars every time they feel like taking crappy pics. I mean, everyone knows the whole world is gonna jump on this, the potential for taking crappy pics is just too good for anyone to pass up. I predict Ritz will be driven out of business by this before it even hits the courts.
I'm 2 yesars old, and I refuse to stop distributing data that I claim came from your servers. The whole reason I am distributing the data is because I believe it was produced by your employees on your servers, but I want you to prove it is yours. Even then I am going to continue to act like a little brat. Did I mention I am 2 years old?
Being that I am only 2 years old, I haven't learned that if something doesn't belong to me, it is wrong to take it, and wrong to give it to other people, regardless of where I find it or how I feel about you.
They hired someone stupid enough to talk about work on their blog? What kind of fool thinks it is OK to mention details of their employers' business on a publicly accessible site? I don't care if it is MS, almost all employers would do the same thing (the ones who don't will soon be out of business). What kind of bad publicity will come of getting rid of the half-wits that work for you?
"If I as a customer saw these messages, bug rapports and horror stories, I wouldn't trust them to design a cup holder for my car, let alone for something as critical as a voting system."
Gee, why do you suppose they want the distribution of these memos to stop?
I realize you know everyone who is smart, and could easily straighten this whole mess out in a matter of minutes, but sometimes you have to let people solve their own problems. People like you have no problems because you are so smart, and are capable of living in a manner where problems are solved without conscious thought, but many of us aren't so gifted. You have to stop and remind yourself at times like this that mere mortals are like children, and you can't expect perfection the first time around.
Seriously, it doesn't appear you have experience developing anything more complicated than a hangover, so it might be prudent if you refrained from inisting you know how everything should be done.
Well, apparently you have never heard the rule about distributing things that aren't yours.
If you actually read the memo, and had any concept of what they were talking about, you would be able to tell that the rule they were breaking was one of their own, and it was so their customers could get a new feature as part of an update (which is usually covered by a service agreement) without having to move to a new release (which usually requires purchase). Oh, those bad, bad, men. Obviously you are a short-sighted penny-pinching member of management, because that is the only group of people who might react negatively to this case of rule-bending.
Thank you, please drive through. And next time, bring something of substance with you.
Did the distribution and misrepresentation of property not your own become an act of good?
Once again, you can count on slashdot.org to disseminate lies and conjecture as truth, as long as you are sufficiently righteous.
Even if these memos had some real substance, rather than merely proving people at Diebold did their jobs, no-one would have the right to distribute them with out express permission from Diebold. Are some people just that dense that they cannot grasp this concept? Do they really think they have a right to do whatever they want as long as they make claims of conspiracy? Regardless of the validity of the claim?
I say the schools involved distribute the academic record of the students participating in the distribution, under the guise of "exposing cheating and academic scandal." Who cares if the charges are valid, they should have a right to expose the students' wrongdoing, right?
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you can't afford to be in business. Yeah, you could save a ton of money by eliminating workspace for all your non-management employees, but many people prefer to come in to work and sit down at a desk. If you want people to work for you, but you are too cheap to provide a workspace, how generous are you going to be when it comes to benefits, raises, or actually giving a crap about your employees? People who run corporations like these are idiots. The next great decision is going to be to stop paying people, and staff entirely with unpaid interns, because, hey, it's a lot cheaper, and young college students are willing to do anything to say they were connected to a company like Sun. Why not take full advantage of that? The quality of the product is unimportant, it is how much money we can pack into the bank accounts of the "quality people," our managers and CEO's, right? Everyone else is just a warm body, surely.
>"show me all of the messages sent through server x that were to or from user y" Your solution is typical of the much superior linux world - it does not address the problem, but that certainly didn't stop anyone from getting all cocky. :/
Given the number of "security experts" who can't manage to secure their own networks against basic configuration issues, you obviously do. Since when is refusing to explain yourself seen as a sign of intelligence? Please make a succinct case for how much better off we'd all be if we could remove the word guest from a text file somewhere.
is internet liquor, something that makes you and other people seem wittier and more atractive online than you or they are in real life. You could call it eGoggles, and make it like a forum, only allow people to select questions and responses from a list of quotes by really witty people, and avatars of really attractive people. Then you might have something.
Quote from their website: " We believe the Internet's greatness is the interaction it brings between people " Spend a few days browsing forums, and even post to a few, and you quickly realize there are a lot of people out there you have no need to get to know better. If you need the processing power of a gigahertz processor to make friends, you are in a world of trouble once you step away from your computer. Just MHO.
That depends. If you have a nasty break-up down the road, do you still thank your friend for hooking you up, or do you ask him why he didn't warn you about her cheating ways?
Well, when I care enough to put it on film for the ages, I don't want it to look like I used crappy $12 cameras. I have seen some bad underground movies, and the worst are when the producers cut corners as if the viewer is retarded. If you can't afford Hollywood special effects, and your script requires them, pick another script! Cutting corners and using really crappy substitutes only makes you look dumb/incompetent. Innovation is the result of doing new things or doing things a different way, not remaking Waterworld in your toilet using chunks of stool. Sure it's cheap, but it's crap. Your viewers will be able to tell.
How about, it isn't that big a deal to them. If you wanted a multi-use cheap digicam, the $12 Ritz disposable probably isn't what you are looking for. How much money do they stand to lose by the hacking, and how much would it cost to secure an el cheapo DISPOSABLE camera against any kind of circumvention? You do the math. Oh, wait, you don't understand. Well, get a smarter friend to help you do the math :)
but, but, ...
I agree. What next? Someone is gonna figure out how to make your own crappy freeze-dried coffee from the discarded grounds in SuperAmerica dumpsters, using a standard microwave and freezer, and save all kinds of money by not buying Sanka anymore? And then the /. crowd is gonna jump all over it with posts about how lawyers are prolly gonna crack down on them for violating the Freeze-Dried Millenium Act?
Basically, I could go buy a $12 Ritz disposable digital camera, take 25 pics, spend some time reading various web pages, go buy a USB cable, buy a USB connector, solder the connector onto the camera, download and install some software some guy wrote, connect my el cheapo digicam to the USB cable, copy my crappy pics to my PC, print them on that crappy printer my company was throwing away but I was able to solder wires to the busted connector and jury-rig the ink cart so I could refill it with my el cheapo toner of old cigarette ashes and stale coffee, and I'm done? And then I can show all my crappy pics to my friends, and have them laugh at me and call me a dumb cheapskate for wasting my time trying to get unlimited use out of something that is so obvously not worth the effort? Wouldn't it make a whole lot more sense to simply buy the Target special I saw for $25 the other day (which is probably less money than you would spend trying to "crack" Ritz's camera, even assuming your time is free because you have no marketable skills)? Which comes with a cable and everything? Gee, I see why people are wondering if Ritz is gonna come after them. It is so clear that Ritz stands to lose tons of cash once people realize they can take crappy pics with a crappy camera without having to shell out $12 dollars every time they feel like taking crappy pics. I mean, everyone knows the whole world is gonna jump on this, the potential for taking crappy pics is just too good for anyone to pass up. I predict Ritz will be driven out of business by this before it even hits the courts.
I've found most people speak from their own experience. So what you are saying is, you're stupid and lazy?
Hi, James Bruce!:)
I'm 2 yesars old, and I refuse to stop distributing data that I claim came from your servers. The whole reason I am distributing the data is because I believe it was produced by your employees on your servers, but I want you to prove it is yours. Even then I am going to continue to act like a little brat. Did I mention I am 2 years old?
Being that I am only 2 years old, I haven't learned that if something doesn't belong to me, it is wrong to take it, and wrong to give it to other people, regardless of where I find it or how I feel about you.
They hired someone stupid enough to talk about work on their blog? What kind of fool thinks it is OK to mention details of their employers' business on a publicly accessible site? I don't care if it is MS, almost all employers would do the same thing (the ones who don't will soon be out of business). What kind of bad publicity will come of getting rid of the half-wits that work for you?
"If I as a customer saw these messages, bug rapports and horror stories, I wouldn't trust them to design a cup holder for my car, let alone for something as critical as a voting system." Gee, why do you suppose they want the distribution of these memos to stop? I realize you know everyone who is smart, and could easily straighten this whole mess out in a matter of minutes, but sometimes you have to let people solve their own problems. People like you have no problems because you are so smart, and are capable of living in a manner where problems are solved without conscious thought, but many of us aren't so gifted. You have to stop and remind yourself at times like this that mere mortals are like children, and you can't expect perfection the first time around. Seriously, it doesn't appear you have experience developing anything more complicated than a hangover, so it might be prudent if you refrained from inisting you know how everything should be done.
Well, apparently you have never heard the rule about distributing things that aren't yours. If you actually read the memo, and had any concept of what they were talking about, you would be able to tell that the rule they were breaking was one of their own, and it was so their customers could get a new feature as part of an update (which is usually covered by a service agreement) without having to move to a new release (which usually requires purchase). Oh, those bad, bad, men. Obviously you are a short-sighted penny-pinching member of management, because that is the only group of people who might react negatively to this case of rule-bending. Thank you, please drive through. And next time, bring something of substance with you.
Did the distribution and misrepresentation of property not your own become an act of good? Once again, you can count on slashdot.org to disseminate lies and conjecture as truth, as long as you are sufficiently righteous. Even if these memos had some real substance, rather than merely proving people at Diebold did their jobs, no-one would have the right to distribute them with out express permission from Diebold. Are some people just that dense that they cannot grasp this concept? Do they really think they have a right to do whatever they want as long as they make claims of conspiracy? Regardless of the validity of the claim? I say the schools involved distribute the academic record of the students participating in the distribution, under the guise of "exposing cheating and academic scandal." Who cares if the charges are valid, they should have a right to expose the students' wrongdoing, right?