"Read about the updates" and implement 5 years of work? In such a world its no problem because you can just read about closed products updates in 5 years and reimplement them, too.
Switching desktops is inherently superior because it works for all apps while switching inside the apps only works for apps that support it, and works inconsistently across apps.
Well, I don't believe it's a case of the window manager not working well enough, but it just not being the right tool for the job -- in Opera, I always have at least eight different pages open, sometimes upwards of a dozen. If these were all shown in the taskbar, the rest of my programs would be crowded into obscurity.
This means your window manager/taskbar is not doing its job properly. I just place my browsing windows in one desktop, and my taskbar in that desktop is equivalent to your browser tab. In other desktops, those windows are not visible.
Not to mention that Opera's one instance in the taskbar function kinda like a control for all of the tabs -- if I suddenly decide I want Opera minimized so I can do something on the desktop, I just click the minimize button. If I have eight pages open in a non-tabbed browser, though, that's eight times I have to click minimize.
Why don't you just switch desktops? Its at least as easy..
It also makes it very easy to close everything at once -- when I want to shut down a non-tabbed browser, I've got to close every window individually, while I can do it all at once in Opera.
This is an interesting function for window managers: Close all of current desktop's windows. This is a lack of functionality in all window managers, more than it is a good feature of a specific application.
There's also one other thing I love about Opera that Mozilla can't do yet -- start up with multiple pages. Typically whenever I sit down at the computer, the first thing I'm going to do is quickly check those eight pages. As soon as Opera opens, it begins loading all of them, and I can switch through the tabs at my leisure. In every other browser I'm aware of, though, I have to load them one at a time. (While this is only a small saving grace on a high-bandwidth connection, think about how long you'd have to wait for each individual page to load on a modem...)
Having a persistent environment of documents is an interesting feature, but its not really associated with tabbed browsing.
I'm not sure, but wouldn't "Saving the session" in KDE re-load all the Konqueror windows in the same pages they were?
What I mean to say here is, tabbed-windows is just an attempt to implement some features that really belong in your window manager, where all apps can enjoy them.
In the Window manager, you can also associate documents/windows of any type and function together, rather than of one specific application.
Which of those features would you not qualify as 'browsing'? A web browser does not typically mean its useful only for web, but also for local files, that with KIOSlaves may be actual directories, HTTP files, or many other file sources.
that's exactly what galeon strives for. it only uses the rendering engine of mozilla, and is "nice, fast, stable, [and] standards-compliant"
Galeon may only be a web browser, but so is Konqueror, except due to the powerful KDE technology Konqueror is based on, Konqueror is more powerful.
the job listings on the internet and in the newspaper are [lying]
You claim ALL those listings lie?
Seriously now, when taking partial sentences you can twist some words rather nicely. I said it was useless except for creating crappy GUI's, which is what most companies use it for and what's its in the paper for.
Its a braindead language with absoloutely no use, except for the "good IDE" which allows for easy creation of crappy GUIs that won't even resize correctly.
Everything that's "easy" with the VB language is trivial, and easy with any other language. Many things easy in other languages are insanely difficult in the VB language. Ask yourself: Have you ever written non-trivial _code_ in VB? Either you have and you know its not a simple, easy language, or you've just drawn pretty buttons and wrote a COM object property access line which is just as trivial in any COM-enabled language.
EROS is not about the components. EROS is about a solid design model, large parts of which that are mathematically proven secure.
EROS is about the principle of least privelege, performance and simplicity.
Compared with the *nix model, the EROS model is simpler, more flexible (You can have many more types of systems built around it), more powerful (It can do a lot more with a lot less code), more secure (Process-grained capability system security, rather than a lot of cumbersome ACL's attached to thousands and thousands of objects), easier: The system implements a high-performance reliable orthogonal persistency scheme. This means that the system restarts to the last reliable checkpoint (shut it down, restart it, and the cursor is at the same position in your window), and achieves much higher disk performance and greatly simplifies applications that no longer have to persist themselves explicitly.
I've been amazed of the many advantages offered by EROS, it truly seems like it could correct a lot of today's OS problems, if not all of them.
You can never verify the privacy of the voters, because they may choose to tell their vote. If they choose to let others watch their vote on their machine - fine. As for 'hacks' regarding viewing people's votes on their machines, this may be solved by vote-boxes or so that connect directly through your physical media, and run some firmware.
If its all digitally signed and cryptographed, vote boxes sound nice to me.
Ofcourse it should always be allowed for people to vote as they do today, if for some reason they cannot guarantee their privacy, or an internet connection.
If people do vote as they do today, give voters a day off to vote, as sane Democracies do:)
So do EXE files. Its less common OS's where more problems show up.
Eh? What are you talking about?
I'm talking about the Swing toolkit, drawing widgets on its own and not using the native platform widgets, which is fine, except those widgets look nothing like the platform's.
This makes Java client-side apps to stand out from the crowd and have their own look & feel. If you use a Gtk+, Qt, Tk, desktop where different looks and feels exist at the same time it'll seem okay. But in a 'purer' Windows, Gnome, or KDE desktop, where all widgets look the same, this is rather ugly.
Having written server software in Java for the past 3 years can't say I've really seen this. I'm still amazed by the fact that I can drop my binaries on the occasional Linux or Solaris box and it just works. It's definately more portable than anything else I've worked with. Most often portability comes down to the experience of the programmer. Java doesn't prevent a newbie from being stupid and screw up portability.
Well, just as an example, www.topcoder.com is a Sun-funded site and based mostly on Java. I'd suppose they write good Java code, not Newbie'ish, and yet their applet works in very awkward ways on different platforms. Fine on Windows, yet quite problematic on some Linuxes, throwing Null exceptions, and fine on others.
I can say I had better experience with Qt C++ code.
It's not the language thats important, its the libraries. Java has them, C# doesn't have them outside the Win32 platform.
This I can agree with. I suppose the C# port will come with the runtime and its libraries, and if not you are completely right. However, as an extension of what you say, you can view Qt as a great alternative to Java because its quite portable to most interesting platforms, and as you say, its the library that counts.
I was being sarcastic about his love of Java and his use of his sig to spread his hate of Linux. I was not trying to link languages to OS's.
I really like Linux, as the best implementation of *nix I know - what other *nix has such a complete and powerful distribution as Debian?:) Debian *BSD I am not sure about, but I I dislike BSD's for other reasons.
Anyhow, despite this liking of Linux, I recognize *nix is a crappy design (although the least crappy currently common), and I love Smalltalk and Python, and am rather neutral about Common Lisp (which is cool in many ways, but crappy in others, imho).
It was really not about what it seemed to be the way I put it:)
Broadcasts would 'hardcode' his game to only work on LANs.
Or how is he supposed to 'broadcast' to multiple addresses?
I believe IPv6 may have something for this, but nothing I know of in IPv4
Besides, are the clients supposed to ack this information to the server? If so, you have per-client overhead, and at best saving around half of the overhead of sending it to all clients separately.
-- Flamebaits in sigs: The best way to spread stupidity
Java never seems to run very well on any given platform.
It always looks and feels awkward, and never 'fits in' the platform it runs on.
It doesn't seem to really be that 'portable' in the sense that Java programs often seem to work in unexpected ways on different platforms
He can probably compile C# down to any platform he wants to, as Linux seems to have C# compilation support, and other platforms will probably have this soon.
There is no individual right concerned in this issue at all, except the right to replicate others' work. This right is taken away by this copyright law, in order to progress science and arts - so you see the US constitution does embrace the stance of progressing science and arts over individual rights.
As for the "right" to secretly hold your creation, this issue was addressed well by the root of the thread. Either you copyright your idea (and disclose its details), or you do not get to copyright it. This is exactly what copyright is all about.
Also there is no more 'inherent' piracy if you distribute sources and not binaries, you're merely enabling the buyers of software to learn from it, and thus promote science and arts.
I don't really see what is your point with the analogy to communism. If the constitution was about the rights of the individual only, in such a narrow perspective, it would define anarchy.
I think you need to reconsider the original intent of the copyright clause in the Constitution.
No you don't, the intent is explicitly mentioned!
"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts"
Don't go try looking for other reasons, such as protecting the artists, because you are merely contradicting the explicitly stated intent here.
Promoting Science and Useful Arts is not done by secretly holding code, but by publicising the source for others to learn from so that new ideas emerge, and Science and Useful arts progress.
As your claim's basis is in direct contradiction with explicit content from the constitution, your entire post is rendered invalid.
As people always respond to this bogus, false FUD:
Debian is NEWER than Redhat, and I won't even compare with Slackware, which I wouldn't call a distribution, as an installer and a bunch of precompiled tarballs are not a distribution.
Debian unstable is more stable than Redhat's current, and contains a lot newer packages from my experience, and everyone else who used both.
Not to mention that Debian's much saner file system hierarchy standards, configuration defaults, alternatives system, package managers and packages' quality are much better.
Yes, Debian's installer sucks, but if you're going to choose a distribution on the basis of its installation process, which occurs once, rather than the basis of use, which is what you do with it forever, then go ahead and use Redhat, Mandrake, or any of those nice installers.
As for dselect, you're living in the past. Nobody uses dselect.
Whenever I install Debian, I choose (6) and quit dselect immediately when its run. I don't see dselect ever again.
There are MANY alternatives to dselect, you just weren't looking:
apt-find
aptitude
kpackage
gnome-apt
and ofcourse, apt-get
Aside from the multiplatform abilities, I see reasons to use Debian:
Stable, good quality packages, that all come from a centralized source that makes sure they work well together, have a decent and secure default configuration, and just require no hassle to manage, install, and upgrade.
A great bug tracking system to make sure all bugs are known by Debian, the authors, and anyone else involved
Great package managers (See above list), and really amazingly smooth upgrade-ability
The most stable distribution, assuming you use stable, and the newest assuming you use unstable
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It won't leak, it will crash. (It will become 'unreachable' and thus freed).
Garbage collection in a pointer-arithmetic enabled language is doomed to suck.
agree to the terms of this EULA? [Yes/No]
No
Ouch!
No
Ouch!
okay, yes!
"Read about the updates" and implement 5 years of work?
In such a world its no problem because you can just read about closed products updates in 5 years and reimplement them, too.
the most destructive, actively used, offensive army on Earth.
I'm pretty sure that Israel's army, for example, is more active..
Switching desktops is inherently superior because it works for all apps while switching inside the apps only works for apps that support it, and works inconsistently across apps.
Well, I don't believe it's a case of the window manager not working well enough, but it just not being the right tool for the job -- in Opera, I always have at least eight different pages open, sometimes upwards of a dozen. If these were all shown in the taskbar, the rest of my programs would be crowded into obscurity.
This means your window manager/taskbar is not doing its job properly.
I just place my browsing windows in one desktop, and my taskbar in that desktop is equivalent to your browser tab. In other desktops, those windows are not visible.
Not to mention that Opera's one instance in the taskbar function kinda like a control for all of the tabs -- if I suddenly decide I want Opera minimized so I can do something on the desktop, I just click the minimize button. If I have eight pages open in a non-tabbed browser, though, that's eight times I have to click minimize.
Why don't you just switch desktops? Its at least as easy..
It also makes it very easy to close everything at once -- when I want to shut down a non-tabbed browser, I've got to close every window individually, while I can do it all at once in Opera.
This is an interesting function for window managers: Close all of current desktop's windows.
This is a lack of functionality in all window managers, more than it is a good feature of a specific application.
There's also one other thing I love about Opera that Mozilla can't do yet -- start up with multiple pages. Typically whenever I sit down at the computer, the first thing I'm going to do is quickly check those eight pages. As soon as Opera opens, it begins loading all of them, and I can switch through the tabs at my leisure. In every other browser I'm aware of, though, I have to load them one at a time. (While this is only a small saving grace on a high-bandwidth connection, think about how long you'd have to wait for each individual page to load on a modem...)
Having a persistent environment of documents is an interesting feature, but its not really associated with tabbed browsing.
I'm not sure, but wouldn't "Saving the session" in KDE re-load all the Konqueror windows in the same pages they were?
What I mean to say here is, tabbed-windows is just an attempt to implement some features that really belong in your window manager, where all apps can enjoy them.
In the Window manager, you can also associate documents/windows of any type and function together, rather than of one specific application.
That's what I mean by a window manager not functioning well enough.
I place my browser windows in a single desktop and then my taskbar functions as your tab.
I really don't see why you want window-management facility from your applications
Why do people like tabbed Windows?
Is your window manager not managing Windows well enough?
it's quite a bit more than a web browser
Which of those features would you not qualify as 'browsing'?
A web browser does not typically mean its useful only for web, but also for local files, that with KIOSlaves may be actual directories, HTTP files, or many other file sources.
that's exactly what galeon strives for. it only uses the rendering engine of mozilla, and is "nice, fast, stable, [and] standards-compliant"
Galeon may only be a web browser, but so is Konqueror, except due to the powerful KDE technology Konqueror is based on, Konqueror is more powerful.
the job listings on the internet and in the newspaper are [lying]
You claim ALL those listings lie?
Seriously now, when taking partial sentences you can twist some words rather nicely.
I said it was useless except for creating crappy GUI's, which is what most companies use it for and what's its in the paper for.
VB being useful is the common myth.
Its a braindead language with absoloutely no use, except for the "good IDE" which allows for easy creation of crappy GUIs that won't even resize correctly.
Everything that's "easy" with the VB language is trivial, and easy with any other language. Many things easy in other languages are insanely difficult in the VB language. Ask yourself: Have you ever written non-trivial _code_ in VB? Either you have and you know its not a simple, easy language, or you've just drawn pretty buttons and wrote a COM object property access line which is just as trivial in any COM-enabled language.
Plan9 is just a small step towards Eros. :)
EROS is not about the components. EROS is about a solid design model, large parts of which that are mathematically proven secure.
EROS is about the principle of least privelege, performance and simplicity.
Compared with the *nix model, the EROS model is simpler, more flexible (You can have many more types of systems built around it), more powerful (It can do a lot more with a lot less code), more secure (Process-grained capability system security, rather than a lot of cumbersome ACL's attached to thousands and thousands of objects), easier: The system implements a high-performance reliable orthogonal persistency scheme. This means that the system restarts to the last reliable checkpoint (shut it down, restart it, and the cursor is at the same position in your window), and achieves much higher disk performance and greatly simplifies applications that no longer have to persist themselves explicitly.
I've been amazed of the many advantages offered by EROS, it truly seems like it could correct a lot of today's OS problems, if not all of them.
You can never verify the privacy of the voters, because they may choose to tell their vote. If they choose to let others watch their vote on their machine - fine. As for 'hacks' regarding viewing people's votes on their machines, this may be solved by vote-boxes or so that connect directly through your physical media, and run some firmware.
:)
If its all digitally signed and cryptographed, vote boxes sound nice to me.
Ofcourse it should always be allowed for people to vote as they do today, if for some reason they cannot guarantee their privacy, or an internet connection.
If people do vote as they do today, give voters a day off to vote, as sane Democracies do
It runs just fine on my Windows.
So do EXE files. Its less common OS's where more problems show up.
Eh? What are you talking about?
I'm talking about the Swing toolkit, drawing widgets on its own and not using the native platform widgets, which is fine, except those widgets look nothing like the platform's.
This makes Java client-side apps to stand out from the crowd and have their own look & feel. If you use a Gtk+, Qt, Tk, desktop where different looks and feels exist at the same time it'll seem okay. But in a 'purer' Windows, Gnome, or KDE desktop, where all widgets look the same, this is rather ugly.
Having written server software in Java for the past 3 years can't say I've really seen this. I'm still amazed by the fact that I can drop my binaries on the occasional Linux or Solaris box and it just works. It's definately more portable than anything else I've worked with. Most often portability comes down to the experience of the programmer. Java doesn't prevent a newbie from being stupid and screw up portability.
Well, just as an example, www.topcoder.com is a Sun-funded site and based mostly on Java. I'd suppose they write good Java code, not Newbie'ish, and yet their applet works in very awkward ways on different platforms. Fine on Windows, yet quite problematic on some Linuxes, throwing Null exceptions, and fine on others.
I can say I had better experience with Qt C++ code.
It's not the language thats important, its the libraries. Java has them, C# doesn't have them outside the Win32 platform.
This I can agree with. I suppose the C# port will come with the runtime and its libraries, and if not you are completely right. However, as an extension of what you say, you can view Qt as a great alternative to Java because its quite portable to most interesting platforms, and as you say, its the library that counts.
I was being sarcastic about his love of Java and his use of his sig to spread his hate of Linux. I was not trying to link languages to OS's.
:) Debian *BSD I am not sure about, but I I dislike BSD's for other reasons.
:)
I really like Linux, as the best implementation of *nix I know - what other *nix has such a complete and powerful distribution as Debian?
Anyhow, despite this liking of Linux, I recognize *nix is a crappy design (although the least crappy currently common), and I love Smalltalk and Python, and am rather neutral about Common Lisp (which is cool in many ways, but crappy in others, imho).
It was really not about what it seemed to be the way I put it
Haha, nice ripoff of that +5 comment!
:)
Should this get a funny moderation?
Broadcasts would 'hardcode' his game to only work on LANs.
Or how is he supposed to 'broadcast' to multiple addresses?
I believe IPv6 may have something for this, but nothing I know of in IPv4
Besides, are the clients supposed to ack this information to the server? If so, you have per-client overhead, and at best saving around half of the overhead of sending it to all clients separately.
-- Flamebaits in sigs: The best way to spread stupidity
It always looks and feels awkward, and never 'fits in' the platform it runs on.
It doesn't seem to really be that 'portable' in the sense that Java programs often seem to work in unexpected ways on different platforms
He can probably compile C# down to any platform he wants to, as Linux seems to have C# compilation support, and other platforms will probably have this soon.
If Linux is for dorks, who is Java for?
This is all coherent, except this part:
of actually doing it right
What is right?
Doing it electronically is wrong and using primitive and dangerous snail-mail means is right?
Lazyness is a well-appriciated quality in programmers.
"Ukraine has launched 5 nuclear missiles towards the United States as a response to the sanctions"
Software Pirates, look what you've done!
There is no individual right concerned in this issue at all, except the right to replicate others' work. This right is taken away by this copyright law, in order to progress science and arts - so you see the US constitution does embrace the stance of progressing science and arts over individual rights.
As for the "right" to secretly hold your creation, this issue was addressed well by the root of the thread. Either you copyright your idea (and disclose its details), or you do not get to copyright it. This is exactly what copyright is all about.
Also there is no more 'inherent' piracy if you distribute sources and not binaries, you're merely enabling the buyers of software to learn from it, and thus promote science and arts.
I don't really see what is your point with the analogy to communism. If the constitution was about the rights of the individual only, in such a narrow perspective, it would define anarchy.
I think you need to reconsider the original intent of the copyright clause in the Constitution.
No you don't, the intent is explicitly mentioned!
"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts"
Don't go try looking for other reasons, such as protecting the artists, because you are merely contradicting the explicitly stated intent here.
Promoting Science and Useful Arts is not done by secretly holding code, but by publicising the source for others to learn from so that new ideas emerge, and Science and Useful arts progress.
As your claim's basis is in direct contradiction with explicit content from the constitution, your entire post is rendered invalid.
CD writers were not commonly available for a few years when the first CD games emerged.
:)
Just wait a couple of years
Debian is NEWER than Redhat, and I won't even compare with Slackware, which I wouldn't call a distribution, as an installer and a bunch of precompiled tarballs are not a distribution.
Debian unstable is more stable than Redhat's current, and contains a lot newer packages from my experience, and everyone else who used both.
Not to mention that Debian's much saner file system hierarchy standards, configuration defaults, alternatives system, package managers and packages' quality are much better.
Yes, Debian's installer sucks, but if you're going to choose a distribution on the basis of its installation process, which occurs once, rather than the basis of use, which is what you do with it forever, then go ahead and use Redhat, Mandrake, or any of those nice installers.
As for dselect, you're living in the past. Nobody uses dselect.
Whenever I install Debian, I choose (6) and quit dselect immediately when its run. I don't see dselect ever again.
There are MANY alternatives to dselect, you just weren't looking:
apt-find
aptitude
kpackage
gnome-apt
and ofcourse, apt-get
Aside from the multiplatform abilities, I see reasons to use Debian:
Stable, good quality packages, that all come from a centralized source that makes sure they work well together, have a decent and secure default configuration, and just require no hassle to manage, install, and upgrade.
A great bug tracking system to make sure all bugs are known by Debian, the authors, and anyone else involved
Great package managers (See above list), and really amazingly smooth upgrade-ability
The most stable distribution, assuming you use stable, and the newest assuming you use unstable
And many more...