Acroread... biggest memory hog.... sounds about right:-)
You would not believe how much static I got arguing that swap is totally unnecessary nowadays. People are arguing that no matter how much ram, you should always have 2x swap. So when I point out that you can set up a box with 64 gigs of ram for under $1500...
Especially now that even spinning rust disks have their own implementation of the elevator algorithm (so we could dump that extra code as well), and much larger caches than in the past...
"But memory that isn't used is wasted." So what - use less, don't bother searching it, and you can have the machine either slow or completely turn off the parts that aren't being used.
The gun works by listening in with a directional microphone, and then, after a short delay of around 0.2 seconds, playing it back with a directional speaker. This triggers an effect that psychologists call Delayed Auditory Feedback (DAF), which has long been known to interrupt your speech (you mightâ(TM)ve experienced the same effect if youâ(TM)ve ever heard your own voice echoing through Skype or another voice comms program). According to the researchers, DAF doesnâ(TM)t cause physical discomfort, but the fact that youâ(TM)re unable to talk is obviously quite stressful.
Just stuff your fingers in your ears and go "You still suck and I'll say whatever I want when I want it and you can't stop me NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH!"
Also, the effect isn't that pronounced - I got used to it when one of my daughters kept using her iPhone on speaker and I'd be able to hear everything I said repeated back. It probably only workes on old farts who never had kids and keep going "turn off that damn speakerphone!" It certainly won't work on the current generation for more than a few seconds.
recent supreme court ruling said domain names if hosted in canada are property....
THAT means the US GOVT JUST ILLEGALLY STOLE SOMEOENS PROPERTY.
The fact is that the Canadian government should have shut it down long ago - online gambling that is not sanctioned by one of the government-run provincial monopolies is just as illegal in Canada as the US.
You couldn't GIVE them away today. You would literally have to pay someone to come and dispose of them as eWaste.
We're not talking cutting edge - we're talking 40 gig hard drives, 128 meg of ram, 16" viewable area CRTs. Some of them are still only usb 1.
Would it be worth upgrading them? Not really - even if you did stuff 2 gig into them, it can only use 1 - and that old-style slow ram is getting expensive.
bodog was operating contrary to both Canadian AND American law.
So, while in Canada, domain names are considered property, don't break Canadian law and expect the Canadian government to protect you when the Americans say "hey, we're going to do what you should have been doing yourself."
This is like that stupid guy who wrote stuff against the Koran, then fled to another sharia-law muslim country for asylum. Or the crackhead who went to the cops to complain that they got only half a rock from their dealer.
KDE session running on a fixed workstation since about one month here, just locked at night. Memory used: just below 1 GB. And it's not even a recent KDE, it's Debian stable 4.4 version. It's anecdotal, sure, but on a fairly recent machine the "bloat" from recent DEs seems more a perceived than an actual problem.
You're seriously leaking memory. Just for fun, I'm running the latest gnome (in fallback mode - removes the ui suckiness and some of the bloat, and is much more responsive), and have firefox AND thunderbird AND opera AND jedit AND gedit AND openoffice AND mysql AND sshd AND apache AND eclipse AND ftpd AND a few other services running - and STILL less than 750 meg used. I could save even more by using LXDE.
And remember, this is with nothing swapped out to disk (no swap partition, no swap file).
Log out of your session, wait 10 minutes, and see how much free memory you have - you won't ever recover it all. Reboot, log in, and see how much less you're using. The quality of most programs today is so poor that a daily reboot should be de rigeur. And before anyone starts whining - go download the bsd ports collection, and compile all that software - much of it gpl, and look at all the error messages you get because people do invalid pointer conversions, comparisons that always yield true or false, etc. The "many eyes make all bugs shallow" is itself a shallow argument - it misses the fact that nobody is even looking because it's more fun to add new features than it is to fix bugs.
I guess it could happen, but this box is running apache, mysql, sshd, and a few other services, and I really have to work at it to get past 1 gig of ram used. Of course, I could just start kde and watch memory go down the memory hole, and not close firefox every day if I leave the machine on overnight (firefox is a real hog), but I have a habit of closing everything even if I'm just going to be gone for a few hours, and logging out if I'm going out (closing everything but not logging out doesn't free up all the leaked ram that logging out does, and even that doesn't free up everything compared to a clean restart. While part of that could be log file buffering, etc., it's certainly not in the realm of 50 to 100 megs extra - or if it is, that's a design flaw).
I'm not sure I'd trust opinion articles from LinuxInsider to be anything other than anti-linux trolling. Weren't they constantly talking up SCO during that whole debacle years ago?
You mean like this article from 2004 that basically said that SCO was losing ground to linux, and that SCOs legal team agreed to cap the fees because the alternative was that SCO would go bankrupt from the legal costs? That's certainly not pro-SCO.
I think you're confusing LinuxInsider with Maureen O'Gara and sys-con.com. Also, realistically, Shuttleworth has been doing his share of trolling - UbuntuTV is just code they grabbed from samygo.tv to replace the custom linux on Samsung tvs with Ubuntu, and "Ubuntu on Android" is just them using last year's Debian hack to change the default linux distro on the Atrix when docked.
.. maybe because I was replying to a post that mentioned selinux?:-)
Mind you, the way suse is going, soon we'll be talking about it the way we now talk about slackware - "... I remember back in the days when I was running...." (slackware is pretty much dead, which is a real shame).
You don't need a dedicated swap partition to hibernate - create a swap file, turn on swap to use that file, then hibernate to it. On resume, turn off swap, then delete the swap file.
Or just don't bother hibernating - suspend to ram instead. But since a LOT of applications leak memory like a sieve, it's better to just reboot instead of hibernating if you have a choice.
It's not just the latest "glitches" that have caused people to abandon suse. 12.1 is buggy. Everyone I know who I switched to suse a few years ago is now looking for an alternative.
I suspect it has to do with them renewing their deal with Microsoft (another $100 million in "certificates" until 2015) so they don't feel so "hungry" about fixing bugs and keeping it generally usable.
Between Canonical throwing its Ubuntu and Kubuntu users under the bus, Suse just not "giving a sh*t" any more now that Novell isn't their owner, and Mandriva flirting with their second bankruptcy, there's going to be plenty of distro-hopping over the next few months.
SELinux is a huge stinking pile. Once it's installed it can't be disabled, claims to the contrary notwithstanding. The last time I tried to disable it, my system wouldn't boot. The advice SELinux gives for overcoming alerts doesn't work more often than it does.
selinux is a mistake, but nobody wants to admit it.
There is a way to disable it, but it's not intuitive. You first off have to change a setting in the configuration, then reboot, and only then remove it. Just removing it leaves you with an unbootable system. It's easier to just say "selinux=0" at the install prompt.
Even then, the kernel still has all the call thunks for it, so while it's disabled and removed from the system, you're still paying for the overhead of an extra function call on many operations. A really bad decision which contributes to bloat, lower performance, and a larger surface for bugs and attacks. But don't tell anyone, because the self-appointed security nazis will accuse you of "not being security-minded".
Disabling it gives you an average 7% increase in performance, same as disabling swap gives you better performance (but again, so many people refuse to believe it because they believe "more swap is always better" when it was never the case, and was also the main contributor to early microckernels poor performance). And for you swap nazis, this is posted from a computer with both selinux and swap disabled, and only 2 gigs of ram... and it continues to work just fine. Even with firefox, opera, openoffice, gimp, jedit, gedit, and thunderbird all open, it still has a gig free. Heck, even Eclipse won't trigger the OOM process killer.
(it takes some real ram, and some real cpu cycles, to run a memory cache. The bigger the cache, the worse it gets. Just like it takes real cpu cycles and real ram to run swap. The optimum was never even 2x real ram except with systems under 16 MEGS of ram... dump the swap, you don't need it.)
"However, the availability of OSS tools and building blocks of various flavors certainly improves matters for those people who have the skill and experience to make them work together to deliver whatever it is that people actually want."
If there were actually a demand, HP wouldn't have had to axe it - they would have either exploited it themselves, or found a sucker^Wbuyer.
OSS software creates a nontrivial niche for anybody who can get rid of enough licensing fees in order to justify their salary...
... if it were only about license fees, we'd have had the "year of the linux desktop" long ago.
Or walk in through the loading dock of most companies with a clipboard and a white hardhat with the municipal logo on it - nothing says "surprise inspection" better.
WARNING: Don't try doing the white hardhat thing on a construction site - you'll scare all the illegal/cash workers away.
exerting copyright over the content is not one of the 6 exclusive rights of copyright
False - copyright extends to any work saved in fixed form. This is why you can make copies in ram w/o violating copyright (it's not in fixed form). However, unless he registered the copyright, he's only in line for actual damages, not statutory damages.
It's not complicated - you claimed to own copyright on a bird song - AFTER being given a chance to review your original claim.
It's not complicated at all. Rather than making excuses, you should have just come out and said "We screwed up, we'll make it right." Spin, spin, spin is old, old, old.
Get real. You only boot it once, at the beginning of the day. A new version was released in the middle of September. And it's certainly going to be better than slackware, which has had less than 30 updates since it was released last March (slackware is, for all intents and purposes, dead)
And if you have the dvd, you don't need to install anything - it's got LOTS of programs. And it's pretty good for video. And who cares about power management - this is a demo - they're going to be plugged in. And if you're worried about the slow program start times, you load the whole cd or dvd into ram, or you install it on a flash card or usb key.
And all this can be tested in 10 minutes ahead of time.
So instead, you'd rather the guy mess around with people's partition tables - not smart if it's not your own machine.
I know - you're just down in the dumps because it's Monday.
Unity was originally designed for notebook computers with keyboards, not phones and touchpad devices.
FTFY.
In case you haven't noticed, they've been announcing that there would be OEM tablets or smartphone deals within a year - for almost 2 years now. One quick example - Chris Kenyon (Canonical VP. Services) promised it by 2011 back in June 2010 - it's 2012 an not a single OEM tablet in sight.
The simple fact is that Canonical is at a dead end. They keep announcing big OEM deals are coming, but the best they've done lately is a crappy WebTop for $190, that Vodaphone South Africa expects to sell... not hundreds of thousands... not tens of thousands... but "thousands". As in one or two - maybe. A couple thousand over the course of a products' lifetime is something you'd expect from someone working out of their bedroom. Even if they got the OEM to pump them out for $120 (leaving a 35% margin), after you take into account shipping, returns, etc., this is penny-ante stuff. And lets face it - people will buy a cheap Android tablet instead for less money and have more apps.
Shuttleworth will either turn off the tap within 2 years, or let his ego get the best of him.
No installation, no futzing around with resizing partitions or restoring afterward, no time wasted,, and if people like it you can just give them the DVD to take home. If the machines have enough ram, you can load the entire DVD into memory. If not, just use the LiveCD and load that into memory - the performance will be great.
Well a shit sandwich is still shit, like Joe Rogan said "If someone hand you a sandwich that is 95% shit and 5% ham, would you call it a ham sandwich?".
That reminds me of the saying about a bottle of wine:
If you have a bottle of sh*t and add 1 ounce of wine, what do you have? A bottle of sh*t.
If you have a bottle of wine and add 1 ounce of sh*t, what do you have? A bottle of sh*t.
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Acroread ... biggest memory hog .... sounds about right :-)
You would not believe how much static I got arguing that swap is totally unnecessary nowadays. People are arguing that no matter how much ram, you should always have 2x swap. So when I point out that you can set up a box with 64 gigs of ram for under $1500 ...
Especially now that even spinning rust disks have their own implementation of the elevator algorithm (so we could dump that extra code as well), and much larger caches than in the past ...
"But memory that isn't used is wasted." So what - use less, don't bother searching it, and you can have the machine either slow or completely turn off the parts that aren't being used.
Just stuff your fingers in your ears and go "You still suck and I'll say whatever I want when I want it and you can't stop me NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH!"
Also, the effect isn't that pronounced - I got used to it when one of my daughters kept using her iPhone on speaker and I'd be able to hear everything I said repeated back. It probably only workes on old farts who never had kids and keep going "turn off that damn speakerphone!" It certainly won't work on the current generation for more than a few seconds.
"This is totally ....."
The fact is that the Canadian government should have shut it down long ago - online gambling that is not sanctioned by one of the government-run provincial monopolies is just as illegal in Canada as the US.
So, quit yer whinin', eh?
You couldn't GIVE them away today. You would literally have to pay someone to come and dispose of them as eWaste.
We're not talking cutting edge - we're talking 40 gig hard drives, 128 meg of ram, 16" viewable area CRTs. Some of them are still only usb 1.
Would it be worth upgrading them? Not really - even if you did stuff 2 gig into them, it can only use 1 - and that old-style slow ram is getting expensive.
bodog was operating contrary to both Canadian AND American law.
So, while in Canada, domain names are considered property, don't break Canadian law and expect the Canadian government to protect you when the Americans say "hey, we're going to do what you should have been doing yourself."
This is like that stupid guy who wrote stuff against the Koran, then fled to another sharia-law muslim country for asylum. Or the crackhead who went to the cops to complain that they got only half a rock from their dealer.
You're seriously leaking memory. Just for fun, I'm running the latest gnome (in fallback mode - removes the ui suckiness and some of the bloat, and is much more responsive), and have firefox AND thunderbird AND opera AND jedit AND gedit AND openoffice AND mysql AND sshd AND apache AND eclipse AND ftpd AND a few other services running - and STILL less than 750 meg used. I could save even more by using LXDE.
And remember, this is with nothing swapped out to disk (no swap partition, no swap file).
Log out of your session, wait 10 minutes, and see how much free memory you have - you won't ever recover it all. Reboot, log in, and see how much less you're using. The quality of most programs today is so poor that a daily reboot should be de rigeur. And before anyone starts whining - go download the bsd ports collection, and compile all that software - much of it gpl, and look at all the error messages you get because people do invalid pointer conversions, comparisons that always yield true or false, etc. The "many eyes make all bugs shallow" is itself a shallow argument - it misses the fact that nobody is even looking because it's more fun to add new features than it is to fix bugs.
I guess it could happen, but this box is running apache, mysql, sshd, and a few other services, and I really have to work at it to get past 1 gig of ram used. Of course, I could just start kde and watch memory go down the memory hole, and not close firefox every day if I leave the machine on overnight (firefox is a real hog), but I have a habit of closing everything even if I'm just going to be gone for a few hours, and logging out if I'm going out (closing everything but not logging out doesn't free up all the leaked ram that logging out does, and even that doesn't free up everything compared to a clean restart. While part of that could be log file buffering, etc., it's certainly not in the realm of 50 to 100 megs extra - or if it is, that's a design flaw).
You mean like this article from 2004 that basically said that SCO was losing ground to linux, and that SCOs legal team agreed to cap the fees because the alternative was that SCO would go bankrupt from the legal costs? That's certainly not pro-SCO.
Or February 2004 - OSDL - Ignore SCO's Linux Legal Threats? Or March 2004 - IBM Throws Knockout Punch at SCO Or CA Blasts CSO for License Claim - also from March 2004?
Does any of that sound pro-SCO to you?
I think you're confusing LinuxInsider with Maureen O'Gara and sys-con.com. Also, realistically, Shuttleworth has been doing his share of trolling - UbuntuTV is just code they grabbed from samygo.tv to replace the custom linux on Samsung tvs with Ubuntu, and "Ubuntu on Android" is just them using last year's Debian hack to change the default linux distro on the Atrix when docked.
Mind you, the way suse is going, soon we'll be talking about it the way we now talk about slackware - "... I remember back in the days when I was running ...." (slackware is pretty much dead, which is a real shame).
You don't need a dedicated swap partition to hibernate - create a swap file, turn on swap to use that file, then hibernate to it. On resume, turn off swap, then delete the swap file.
Or just don't bother hibernating - suspend to ram instead. But since a LOT of applications leak memory like a sieve, it's better to just reboot instead of hibernating if you have a choice.
I suspect it has to do with them renewing their deal with Microsoft (another $100 million in "certificates" until 2015) so they don't feel so "hungry" about fixing bugs and keeping it generally usable.
Between Canonical throwing its Ubuntu and Kubuntu users under the bus, Suse just not "giving a sh*t" any more now that Novell isn't their owner, and Mandriva flirting with their second bankruptcy, there's going to be plenty of distro-hopping over the next few months.
selinux is a mistake, but nobody wants to admit it.
There is a way to disable it, but it's not intuitive. You first off have to change a setting in the configuration, then reboot, and only then remove it. Just removing it leaves you with an unbootable system. It's easier to just say "selinux=0" at the install prompt.
Even then, the kernel still has all the call thunks for it, so while it's disabled and removed from the system, you're still paying for the overhead of an extra function call on many operations. A really bad decision which contributes to bloat, lower performance, and a larger surface for bugs and attacks. But don't tell anyone, because the self-appointed security nazis will accuse you of "not being security-minded".
Disabling it gives you an average 7% increase in performance, same as disabling swap gives you better performance (but again, so many people refuse to believe it because they believe "more swap is always better" when it was never the case, and was also the main contributor to early microckernels poor performance). And for you swap nazis, this is posted from a computer with both selinux and swap disabled, and only 2 gigs of ram ... and it continues to work just fine. Even with firefox, opera, openoffice, gimp, jedit, gedit, and thunderbird all open, it still has a gig free. Heck, even Eclipse won't trigger the OOM process killer.
(it takes some real ram, and some real cpu cycles, to run a memory cache. The bigger the cache, the worse it gets. Just like it takes real cpu cycles and real ram to run swap. The optimum was never even 2x real ram except with systems under 16 MEGS of ram ... dump the swap, you don't need it.)
Probably not for much longer ... both the Internet and open surce have ways of routing around the damage.
The word "troll" is not yet a "terr'rist term".
If there were actually a demand, HP wouldn't have had to axe it - they would have either exploited it themselves, or found a sucker^Wbuyer.
Or walk in through the loading dock of most companies with a clipboard and a white hardhat with the municipal logo on it - nothing says "surprise inspection" better.
WARNING: Don't try doing the white hardhat thing on a construction site - you'll scare all the illegal/cash workers away.
FTFY
False - copyright extends to any work saved in fixed form. This is why you can make copies in ram w/o violating copyright (it's not in fixed form). However, unless he registered the copyright, he's only in line for actual damages, not statutory damages.
It's not complicated - you claimed to own copyright on a bird song - AFTER being given a chance to review your original claim.
It's not complicated at all. Rather than making excuses, you should have just come out and said "We screwed up, we'll make it right." Spin, spin, spin is old, old, old.
And if you have the dvd, you don't need to install anything - it's got LOTS of programs. And it's pretty good for video. And who cares about power management - this is a demo - they're going to be plugged in. And if you're worried about the slow program start times, you load the whole cd or dvd into ram, or you install it on a flash card or usb key.
And all this can be tested in 10 minutes ahead of time.
So instead, you'd rather the guy mess around with people's partition tables - not smart if it's not your own machine.
I know - you're just down in the dumps because it's Monday.
The real reason is that Canonical can't get Android to run Ubuntu, or vice versa.
FTFY.
In case you haven't noticed, they've been announcing that there would be OEM tablets or smartphone deals within a year - for almost 2 years now. One quick example - Chris Kenyon (Canonical VP. Services) promised it by 2011 back in June 2010 - it's 2012 an not a single OEM tablet in sight.
The simple fact is that Canonical is at a dead end. They keep announcing big OEM deals are coming, but the best they've done lately is a crappy WebTop for $190, that Vodaphone South Africa expects to sell ... not hundreds of thousands ... not tens of thousands ... but "thousands". As in one or two - maybe. A couple thousand over the course of a products' lifetime is something you'd expect from someone working out of their bedroom. Even if they got the OEM to pump them out for $120 (leaving a 35% margin), after you take into account shipping, returns, etc., this is penny-ante stuff. And lets face it - people will buy a cheap Android tablet instead for less money and have more apps.
Shuttleworth will either turn off the tap within 2 years, or let his ego get the best of him.
No installation, no futzing around with resizing partitions or restoring afterward, no time wasted,, and if people like it you can just give them the DVD to take home. If the machines have enough ram, you can load the entire DVD into memory. If not, just use the LiveCD and load that into memory - the performance will be great.
That reminds me of the saying about a bottle of wine:
If you have a bottle of sh*t and add 1 ounce of wine, what do you have? A bottle of sh*t.
If you have a bottle of wine and add 1 ounce of sh*t, what do you have? A bottle of sh*t.