Like the internet as a whole, BitTorrent is a network
Wrong. BitTorrent is a protocol.
I don't really follow the rest of the analogy, except it appears you think the internet is some anarchic society where anything goes.
Problem is, without commercial companies, the internet would not have as many features as it has right now, in many different ways. The blade cuts both ways.
Torrents for commercial files that are charging users for the download? Kiss my butt, unless you are paying me for the bandwidth.
Your choices now are:
(a) Scour the internet looking for an illegal copy of a movie and hope there are enough other people illegally downloading it to let you get it relatively quickly.
(b) Wait for the show/movie to appear on broadcast/cable.
(c) Rent the show/DVD from netflix and wait for it to arrive in the mail.
(d) Go to a store and buy the show/movie on DVD.
There is currently no way to get legal, instant gratification for mainstream shows and movies. One option being proposed here is that you have legal access to download a show/movie, at very high speed, in exchange for some money and some bandwidth.
I really don't see what the fuck you people are complaining about. You are exchanging good and services, just like you do in the real world.
I'm sorry you can't download a copyrighted piece of content, for free, legally. Cry me a river.
My whole point was that it's much harder to target one specific person with POTS then it is with VoIP. What's easier? Finding my pair or capturing packets from/bound for my IP address?
If you just have a person's name to go by, it's a hell of a lot easier to find out where they live (which doesn't change much) rather than what IP address they are currently connecting from.
Since Google's motto is "do no evil", and Microsoft wants the home market, I guess Yahoo! will have to "settle" for porn images.
1. What is evil about porn? 2. GIS already lets me browse porn. 3. If you're right, though, I can't think of a more appropriate company name for browsing porn.
The proper people to blame in the theft analogy are the fences
The fences are buying stolen property. The thieves are stealing it. Both are crimes.
Are you suggesting it should be illegal to buy legal products that are advertised in an annoying way? I hate spam as much as the next person, I have to deal with its implications at work, too, but I feel that is going too far.
Oh, by the way, it's "thieves".
As a fellow spelling/grammar nazi, I must say thank you for correcting me, and in kind, point out that the period should come before the closing quotation mark, unless you are not an American. YMMV.;)
my take on this is that we shouldn't blame spammers for spam, we should blame the MOTHER-FUCKING BRAIN-DEAD IDIOTS who actually BUY from them, giving them an economic incentive to fuck the rest of us over.
Yes, and we shouldn't blame thiefs, we should blame the people that leave their possessions unprotected/unlocked, thereby encouraging more thievery.
Right?
No, we should blame the spammers and educate the morons. Even better would be to redirect all the spam to those that buy from spammers.
No, they're not, they're using 24-bit PNG files with 8-bit transparency. You can see this plainly by looking at a PNG snippet from the L.A. area hybrid I posted in the article:
I just finished my rant about how sick and tired I am of hearing about the sex/violence views of America. And before I leave this topic forever, let me say that I think the point that everyone seems to be missing is this.
If your kid can get on the internet to download a cheat to watch pixelated fake cartoon sex on a video game, guess what, HE CAN DOWNLOAD HIGH QUALITY VIDEO OF ACTUAL PEOPLE HAVING REAL, OFTEN INCREDIBLY DIRTY/GRAPHIC/AMAZING, SEX!
What a great society we Americans have these days. I can watch what is basically Crime Scene Porn on the major networks any night of the week I want, see countless murders happen on TV, and basically dismember characters in pretty much any video game I want to, watch more than simulated sex acts on cable, and listen to some pretty graphic swearing on television.
For a second there I was pissed off at you for beating this dead horse. After all, every single time I read the comments in an article about sex being targeted in any medium, I have to read a so-called Insightful comment about how Americans are so stupid because "we" love violence and hate sex, and gee whiz that's lame. Yes, it is. We get it already. No, there's nothing you can do except wait 200 years for society in America to gradually change.
Then I realized my actual problem was that I was READING THE COMMENTS in YET ANOTHER article about some stupid lawyer representing some religious nutball in a crusade against something that rational people find incredibly stupid.
I really, really have to stop reading these articles because nothing new ever comes of it, it's a waste of time, and it really just annoys the pig.
So, from the bottom of my heart, I sincerely thank you for helping me realize this fact by beating the dead horse one [for me] final time: "Crazy American Sex/Violence Dichotomy." Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I don't know if he was, but I am, as both the democrats and the republicans and every other politician in Washington is corrupt. They each just vary in degree and direction.
Lol... and its interesting that you associate my "proposed mass election fraud" with democrats, since I don't have any party affiliation
Uhh, maybe it was because you said this when describing it:
"Starting now, we'd get democrats to register for dual citizenship in swing states; there would be host homes in the swing state to accomodate the "swinger". During elections, places with a superabundance of democratic votes would have mini-migrations of excess voters to their secondary "homes" where they would vote in force to potentially upset the state.
The government wants those additional tax dollars from the Microsofts and EAs and 20th Century Foxes and Capitol records of the world.
Corporations do not pay taxes. Taxes on businesses are simply indirect taxes on people, that's why liberals (and even fiscally liberal conservatives) love them. It's a way of raising taxes without most citizens realizing it.
When you tax a business, they pay it by (a) decreasing payouts to shareholders, (b) hiring fewer employees, (c) paying existing employees less or reducing benefits, and/or (d) raising the prices of the services.
As you can see, all of these effect you and me adversely, because it means we have fewer jobs, less pay, more costs, and earn less on our investments or retirement accounts.
the primary upgrade the fact they will be able to flip me off in video as well.
Just a hunch, but I don't think people will be using the video for THAT. Although sometimes it may look like someone is holding up a finger, it's not a finger.
Although, I don't know that it will be a popular solution for the most part in television setups
Watching NBA with wireless headphones while my girlfriend watches Desperate Housewives with or without headphones would definitely be a cool way to go, if you only have one room.
However, if you can afford this technology, I am guessing you can afford a place with more than one room, and since the TV is probably as much as 2 regular TVs, I am guessing you'd be better off going that route.
Or are they going to tell me this device WON'T be as expensive as 2 TVs? I'll believe it when I see it.
At least when watching tv we have some chat time with the family
Well, this device isn't meant to be used when everyone wants to watch the same thing, so I think this point is moot. If you and the wife are watching two separate programs, I doubt you want to try and chat at the same time anyway.
people for the most part are isolated enough
I am not sure what your point is (last I checked the internet has been bringing many isolated people into new communities), but I seriously doubt the invention of a fancy picture-in-picture is really going to devastate society.
Ok, how do we educate the spammers to stop spamming?
Point 1. Do you think any government regulation could ever stop spammers on an international network?
Point 2. You don't educate the spammers, you filter them out. We need better technology, better protocols. SMTP is great for anonymous email. For those of us who want to get some work done, let's phase over to a new protocol (or add enhancements with ESMTP).
How is their redistribution different than me borrowing your old out of print edition of the book?
Because you now own the book and I no longer have a copy. By purchasing the book, you have the right to re-sell it, give it to someone else, lend it to someone else, etc.
However, you, nor the other person, have the right to make a substantial copy of the book and use that or re-distribute that.
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Like the internet as a whole, BitTorrent is a network
Wrong. BitTorrent is a protocol.
I don't really follow the rest of the analogy, except it appears you think the internet is some anarchic society where anything goes.
Problem is, without commercial companies, the internet would not have as many features as it has right now, in many different ways. The blade cuts both ways.
Torrents for commercial files that are charging users for the download? Kiss my butt, unless you are paying me for the bandwidth.
Your choices now are:
(a) Scour the internet looking for an illegal copy of a movie and hope there are enough other people illegally downloading it to let you get it relatively quickly.
(b) Wait for the show/movie to appear on broadcast/cable.
(c) Rent the show/DVD from netflix and wait for it to arrive in the mail.
(d) Go to a store and buy the show/movie on DVD.
There is currently no way to get legal, instant gratification for mainstream shows and movies. One option being proposed here is that you have legal access to download a show/movie, at very high speed, in exchange for some money and some bandwidth.
I really don't see what the fuck you people are complaining about. You are exchanging good and services, just like you do in the real world.
I'm sorry you can't download a copyrighted piece of content, for free, legally. Cry me a river.
http://www.xyzcomputing.com/index.php?option=conte nt&task=print&id=389&Itemid=2
I hate politicians and special interest groups.
Good thing you don't live in the USA then. We combined the two groups into one. It's called Congress.
My whole point was that it's much harder to target one specific person with POTS then it is with VoIP. What's easier? Finding my pair or capturing packets from/bound for my IP address?
If you just have a person's name to go by, it's a hell of a lot easier to find out where they live (which doesn't change much) rather than what IP address they are currently connecting from.
That's not true. Competition is good for businesses that ARE GOOD AT COMPETING.
Without competition, companies often rest on their laurels.
Competition is only hated by monopolies and companies that can't compete.
Since Google's motto is "do no evil", and Microsoft wants the home market, I guess Yahoo! will have to "settle" for porn images.
1. What is evil about porn?
2. GIS already lets me browse porn.
3. If you're right, though, I can't think of a more appropriate company name for browsing porn.
The proper people to blame in the theft analogy are the fences
;)
The fences are buying stolen property. The thieves are stealing it. Both are crimes.
Are you suggesting it should be illegal to buy legal products that are advertised in an annoying way? I hate spam as much as the next person, I have to deal with its implications at work, too, but I feel that is going too far.
Oh, by the way, it's "thieves".
As a fellow spelling/grammar nazi, I must say thank you for correcting me, and in kind, point out that the period should come before the closing quotation mark, unless you are not an American. YMMV.
my take on this is that we shouldn't blame spammers for spam, we should blame the MOTHER-FUCKING BRAIN-DEAD IDIOTS who actually BUY from them, giving them an economic incentive to fuck the rest of us over.
Yes, and we shouldn't blame thiefs, we should blame the people that leave their possessions unprotected/unlocked, thereby encouraging more thievery.
Right?
No, we should blame the spammers and educate the morons. Even better would be to redirect all the spam to those that buy from spammers.
Actually they're only using 8-bit PNG files
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No, they're not, they're using 24-bit PNG files with 8-bit transparency. You can see this plainly by looking at a PNG snippet from the L.A. area hybrid I posted in the article:
http://mt.google.com/mt?v=w2t.1&x=11236&y=26171&z
I just finished my rant about how sick and tired I am of hearing about the sex/violence views of America. And before I leave this topic forever, let me say that I think the point that everyone seems to be missing is this.
If your kid can get on the internet to download a cheat to watch pixelated fake cartoon sex on a video game, guess what, HE CAN DOWNLOAD HIGH QUALITY VIDEO OF ACTUAL PEOPLE HAVING REAL, OFTEN INCREDIBLY DIRTY/GRAPHIC/AMAZING, SEX!
What a great society we Americans have these days. I can watch what is basically Crime Scene Porn on the major networks any night of the week I want, see countless murders happen on TV, and basically dismember characters in pretty much any video game I want to, watch more than simulated sex acts on cable, and listen to some pretty graphic swearing on television.
For a second there I was pissed off at you for beating this dead horse. After all, every single time I read the comments in an article about sex being targeted in any medium, I have to read a so-called Insightful comment about how Americans are so stupid because "we" love violence and hate sex, and gee whiz that's lame. Yes, it is. We get it already. No, there's nothing you can do except wait 200 years for society in America to gradually change.
Then I realized my actual problem was that I was READING THE COMMENTS in YET ANOTHER article about some stupid lawyer representing some religious nutball in a crusade against something that rational people find incredibly stupid.
I really, really have to stop reading these articles because nothing new ever comes of it, it's a waste of time, and it really just annoys the pig.
So, from the bottom of my heart, I sincerely thank you for helping me realize this fact by beating the dead horse one [for me] final time: "Crazy American Sex/Violence Dichotomy." Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Lie, Cheat, and Steal?
are you serious?????
I don't know if he was, but I am, as both the democrats and the republicans and every other politician in Washington is corrupt. They each just vary in degree and direction.
Lol... and its interesting that you associate my "proposed mass election fraud" with democrats, since I don't have any party affiliation
Uhh, maybe it was because you said this when describing it:
"Starting now, we'd get democrats to register for dual citizenship in swing states; there would be host homes in the swing state to accomodate the "swinger". During elections, places with a superabundance of democratic votes would have mini-migrations of excess voters to their secondary "homes" where they would vote in force to potentially upset the state.
The government wants those additional tax dollars from the Microsofts and EAs and 20th Century Foxes and Capitol records of the world.
Corporations do not pay taxes. Taxes on businesses are simply indirect taxes on people, that's why liberals (and even fiscally liberal conservatives) love them. It's a way of raising taxes without most citizens realizing it.
When you tax a business, they pay it by (a) decreasing payouts to shareholders, (b) hiring fewer employees, (c) paying existing employees less or reducing benefits, and/or (d) raising the prices of the services.
As you can see, all of these effect you and me adversely, because it means we have fewer jobs, less pay, more costs, and earn less on our investments or retirement accounts.
Business taxes are a total crock of shit.
the primary upgrade the fact they will be able to flip me off in video as well.
Just a hunch, but I don't think people will be using the video for THAT. Although sometimes it may look like someone is holding up a finger, it's not a finger.
Although, I don't know that it will be a popular solution for the most part in television setups
Watching NBA with wireless headphones while my girlfriend watches Desperate Housewives with or without headphones would definitely be a cool way to go, if you only have one room.
However, if you can afford this technology, I am guessing you can afford a place with more than one room, and since the TV is probably as much as 2 regular TVs, I am guessing you'd be better off going that route.
Or are they going to tell me this device WON'T be as expensive as 2 TVs? I'll believe it when I see it.
At least when watching tv we have some chat time with the family
Well, this device isn't meant to be used when everyone wants to watch the same thing, so I think this point is moot. If you and the wife are watching two separate programs, I doubt you want to try and chat at the same time anyway.
people for the most part are isolated enough
I am not sure what your point is (last I checked the internet has been bringing many isolated people into new communities), but I seriously doubt the invention of a fancy picture-in-picture is really going to devastate society.
This situation is only analogous if the review was, itself, actually a game.
Ok, how do we educate the spammers to stop spamming?
Point 1. Do you think any government regulation could ever stop spammers on an international network?
Point 2. You don't educate the spammers, you filter them out. We need better technology, better protocols. SMTP is great for anonymous email. For those of us who want to get some work done, let's phase over to a new protocol (or add enhancements with ESMTP).
Does anyone else remember the glory days of Netscape when they had a private on-site sushi bar, full time masseuses, and a nose-bleed P/E ratio?
Yes. And does anyone remember when Netscape was profitable?
OK, so maybe Google and Netscape aren't comparable after all.
The parents, the community. Not the government.
No, you completely missed my point.
In 99% of the cases, education and responsibility on the part of CITIZENS would negate the need for regulation or government oversight.
You know, there's an alternative to regulation. It's called education and responsibility.
However, lazy folks just prefer handing control over to someone else, and pay lip service to ideas like "freedom" and "liberty."
At least they can spell.
I KID! I KID.
Seven seconds. Trust me.
Seven chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea.
How is their redistribution different than me borrowing your old out of print edition of the book?
Because you now own the book and I no longer have a copy. By purchasing the book, you have the right to re-sell it, give it to someone else, lend it to someone else, etc.
However, you, nor the other person, have the right to make a substantial copy of the book and use that or re-distribute that.