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Russia's Biggest Spammer Brutally Murdered
Karellen !-P writes "Vardan Kushnir, a notorious russian spammer who headed the English learning centers, the Center for American English, the New York English Centre and the Centre for Spoken English, was found dead in his Moscow apartment on Sunday, Interfax reported Monday. He died after suffering repeated blows to the head."
It's terrible that something like that would happen. It isn't legal and it isn't moral.
On the other hand, this message is about all the empathy and concern I can work myself up to. Good riddance to bad trash.
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When geeks go bad! Probably someone who got spammed one time too many.
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I can't believe he's the only one.
Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
While I mourn the loss of thousands of potential messages inciting me to enlarge my member and make it stay engorged for hours at a time. Is there an "anti-R.I.P."?
I never spellcheck and I freely admit it. Save your karma for more worthwhile "lol erorrs" replies
Someone removed a person who makes their living by harassing (and possibly defrauding) people?
I'd say that's justice!
hmmm anti spam packages for sneaker net. Maybe slapping the postman each time he posts a spam letter. He'd soon learn to sort out the spam first..
Vladimir Putin unsubscribes the way we all want to.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
Karma's a bitch.
I'm sure there will be plenty of people thinking that somebody got a little too pissed off with spam, but try and remember that these types of spammers associate with organised crime (e.g. by hiring virus writers to get them bot nets).
The post (and the first few replies) seem to assume that he was murdered since he was a spammer. Somehow, I doubt that.
- Tal Cohen
Just when I thought they were going soft, we get this.
-Valiss
Now that his head has been bashed into 50% its original size, do those penis enlargments work on the "big head?"
Click here or a puppy gets stomped!
have his penis size mocked one too many times before he snaps.
Violence against anyone is wrong, unless it's in self-defense. I don't think he was killed because he was a spammer--he was probably killed in a robbery or confrontation over some other reason. We'll have to wait until the police find out more about what happened.
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if he was beaten with a can of spam?
Any chance there's some sort of Russian Spam mob going on? If these guys are in "business" it's probably lucrative enough for them to be so hated. Perhaps one spam boss wanted all the business?
It seems ridiculous, but it's the first thing that came into my head.
The first three comments:
1. Shouldn't kill even spammers.
2. This happened b/c he was spamming.
3. Yeah! Kill the bastards!
That about sums up the comments...
FWIW, he was probably offed by a business partner who wanted a bigger cut of the profits, or by the mob, because he wasn't paying them off. This is Russia we're talking about here.
--LWM
You can only generate so much ill will before the karma wheel falls off the axle and crushes your ass. Varka
New rule, it is always a bad idea to piss off psychopaths, they will can beat you to death with smile on their face.
Spamming should just be outlawed and we wont have to worry about this violence.
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I thought the spam I got this morning was a little off...
From a hidden microphone at the scene of the murder:
"You are receiving *WHAM* this blow to the head *WHAM* because you are part of a *WHAM* specially-selected list of *WHAM* people who agreed to receive *WHAM* blows to the head *WHAM*.
To stop *WHAM* receiving these *WHAM* blows to the head, please *WHAM* email us at no-more-please@optout.blowtothehead. com and *WHAM* we will remove you from our list of *WHAM* blow-to-the-head-club members *WHAM* (heh, we said "club"!) *WHAM* within 24 to 48 hours."
but probably not an irate spam recipient. More likely the Mafiya, either because he tried to screw them, or they want his turf.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
Is it known if the murder was related to spamming? (The article makes the implication, but doesn't go out and say it. Probably sensationalism) My guess would be that spammers tend to also be involved in other less-than-savory business practices, which could have led to a murder.
And let this be a lesson to all spammers out there!!! if (login()) logout();
-Alex. http://bit.ly/1iVPtfA
In mother russia, spam kills you.
Spam stops you.
best... spam-blocker... EVER!
In Soviet Russia spam blocks you.
Looks like someone had a little bit of competition on the "natural male enhancer" front...
Click here or a puppy gets stomped!
I dont think I can say that I would kill a spammer but one thing i did notice is that it didn't help any spam problems cause Im still quarantining 27000 emails a day!
-He's using that big open relay in the sky now . . .
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-In New Jersey, killing a spamlord is only a class B misedemeanor . .
-Whatta you call a spammer with a crushed skull lying in a pool of his own blood?
A good start!
Seriously though that's pretty f*cked up. Spammer or not, no one deserves that.
...finally come back to haunt you.
The fact that the murder weapon appear to have been a copy of O'Reilly's "Postfix: The Definitive Guide" is condidered a relevant clue at this point.
In Soviet Russia, spam deletes you.
When this happens to Osama Binladen's sisters, the terrorism will stop.
He died after suffering repeated blows to the head
Whoever did it must have some strong lungs.
I think slashdot has found the perfect Flamebait story... Start your flamers in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ....
Anyway, do you guys think that this may make other spammers stop and think about their activity?
Now for a question - is there an easy way of getting some statistics (in the next few days) which show if this happening has any impact on the quantity of spam?
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
give me a farking break. a life is more important then your stupid email. Murder is terrible regardless of who the victim is.
I came to the datacenter drunk with a fake ID, don't you want to be just like me?
"He died after suffering repeated blows to the head."
That's a sad and horrifying way to die - less like spam and more of a pâté though...
I thought this guy was a spammer!
That SpamAssassin really takes its job seriously, yo.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
I've been doing this for weeks now. The junk mail hasn't stopped, but at least I don't have to throw it away.
Seems to me like someone was mad their wee-wee didn't... erm... respond to therapy.
What isn't said in the article is why he was killed. Was he killed by someone he knew in one of those violent fits that happen from time to time, or was it something else. I doubt he was beaten to death for sending e-mails, but considering the reputation the Russian Mob has, it does make one wonder. Could traditional Organized Crime groups be trying to bully their way into electronic fraud and such? Or has it already happened and they're eliminating the competition?
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I remember reading about how Steve Jobs motivated the original Mac team to speed up the boot. "Millions of people will boot their Macs every day; if you can shave 30 seconds off that boot time, it's the equivalent of three human lives every day". If that concept is true (debatable, but stick with me) then spammers, in the aggregate, are killing dozens or even hundreds of people a day ... a few seconds here and a few seconds there. So, in this respect, what goes around comes around.
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...spam assasinates YOU!
... since most have, in a Faustian bargain allowing them to be certified in router programming, have sacrificed all upper body strength. If there was a way to kill someone with those thumb muscles you use to hit the space bar, then maybe.
More likely it was as Russian mafia relationship gone bad. When you hang in those circles, doing illegal things all day, you're bound to strike up some questionable business connections. That, or some mobster finally had seen enough viagra ads in his own inbox, and decided to go all Bayesian on his ass.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
- In Soviet Russia... The spam filter kills YOU!
- Imagine a beowulf cluster of these murders!
- The weapon was most likely a clue bat.
Any others equally bad?Bad things happen to better people than this guy all the time, so while I don't support murdering spammers (no indication on whether this was even spam-related) I'm pretty ambivalent about it.
There are so many on Slashdot who whine and whine about the 100+ spam emails they get every day and how their lives are oh so difficult. I just don't ever see that much spam! I don't understand! My email addresses (work, professional, and personal) all receive very very little spam email every day. (Typically no more than a couple to any one account) Yes, my company and the services I use do attempt to filter the majority of spam which can easily be caught by Bayesian filters, but it seems the rest of the world of email users are magnets for junk mail I never see.
My email addresses exists on others computers and on respectable websites where I've purchased something or posted a comment, and I STILL don't see that much spam. And snail-mail spam? Who gets that much snail-mail spam? If you would all stop applying for free crap (which is usually just that: crap!) then I don't think this would be a problem. I don't apply for crap and I'm happily mostly spam free!
Vardan Kushnir remained sure of his right to spam, saying it was what e-mails were for. The guys who bashed his head stated, "I have every right to smash people's skulls, it is what they where made for!"
...spam kills you. -1 Redundant.
Far fetched? George Moore aka Dr. Fatburn tried this approach by filing criminal charges.
Fight Spammers!
... that we're all available to support each other's alibis.
Don't know if it's true, but honestly, I can't believe it took so long.
The very same probability laws spammers use to find people stupid enough to buy from them, apply here as well: If you annoy millions every day, sooner or later you'll find someone crazy enough to go kill you.
I would buy karma from ebay but I'm not sure I can trust the seller.
Maybe they just hate English.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
DaFuror> ok
DaFuror> that about sucked
phac> what now daf?
DaFuror> I went out to my car to get my U1 about an hour ago
g3nocide> U1 ?
DaFuror> Sun Ultra 1 server
DaFuror> well, anyway
DaFuror> these three drunk kid come outta nowhere and one of them tried to jump me
g3nocide> LOL
DaFuror> I cracked his skull open with the U1
DaFuror> just got done dealing with the fine upper arlington police dept
g3nocide> lol you hit him with a sun ultra one server
DaFuror> I can
g3nocide> LOL
DaFuror> t
g3nocide> omfg
DaFuror> wait to see the police report
g3nocide> you know you are a geek when, you protect yourself with server hardware
I don't get it.
Maybe he shouldn't have let his server receive that opt-out contract on his life.
Consequences.
-- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
In Soviet Russia, SPAM unsubscribes YOU!
The majority of people don't care about morals and do not have empathy. We live in a morally insane world, wake up. It's simple, if you piss off a lot of people, carry a gun at all times, hire security, get a vest. If you want a job like "spammer" you can expect to attract a lot of violent people. I think the risks of that job were predictable, I feel sorry for the guy who was killed because I have empathy, but I will not assume the person who killed him did. So the fact is, hes been killed, the person who did it got away with it, and this cannot be allowed, they must be caught to save the spamming industry. The last thing you want is for murder to be logical enough that people can get away with murdering spammers, or anyone. Murder should mean life sentence. Instead of filling the jails with marijuana drug dealers we should be putting the violent rapists and murderers in jail, but I guess selling drugs is a bigger concern, we wouldnt want kids smoking marijuana.
In Soviet Russia, spam deletes you! :)
I'm sorry he's dead. I don't think he was killed by someone who got one spam too many, though. Spam may make people angry, even veins-bulging-over-reddened-forehead angry, perhaps even grab-handy-blunt-instrument-and-smash-computer-scr een angry, but I can't see it making someone angry enough for long enough to go into his apartment and beat him to death.
I think he was killed either by a business rival or by some random wacko.
Strike while the irony is hot! -- The Freethinker
This definitely redefines "boot to the head". Face it, that's what we want to give all spammers, a nice swift boot to the head. Apparently someone got a little overzealous, however.
It sounds to me like he simply failed to opt-out of the "Beat your head in" club.
They must have purchased a list with his name on it, and he failed to opt-out, so they had every right to offer their product to him.
After all, we wouldn't want to deny those people who WANT to have their heads beaten in the opportunity, just because some whiny anti-battery types want such lists to be double opt in.
He should have taken more care with his head - kept it in a metal helmet, only showing it to his friends, changing it periodically. Instead, he had his head out in the open where anybody who wanted to could beat it in.
It's all his fault, and the DMA (Dastardly Murder Association) bears no responsibility for this incident.
www.eFax.com are spammers
his legend will live on because no one will turn on his spam bots running on 238472983 boxes across the world.
Maybe this will send a message to other spammers - If you play with fire, you might get burned.
I'm sure the Russian Mob has it's fingers in anything profitable, including spam originating from Russia.
My Doctor prescribed daily nasal saline irrigation, hehe
Well, this is certainly a lost worst than the article I submitted a few days ago.
1) got owned, and 2) ticked someone off big time. If he didnt spam people, he probably wouldve been fine.
Viable Slashdot alternatives: https://pipedot.org/ and http://soylentnews.org/
/me braces himself for tasteless "In Soviet Russia..." jokes.
bad_outlook
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Is this vague enough for you?
how... sad...ish
my take on this is that we shouldn't blame spammers for spam, we should blame the MOTHER-FUCKING BRAIN-DEAD IDIOTS who actually BUY from them, giving them an economic incentive to fuck the rest of us over.
Honestly, if you know anyone who buys that shit, please kick his ass for us, they support spammers, and are more to blame than 100 whatever-this-guys-name-was.
The first rule of USENET is you do not talk about USENET.
Hilarious. You sir, have just made my day.
From the article...
Vardan Kushnir, notorious for sending spam to each and every citizen of Russia who appeared to have an e-mail, was found dead in his Moscow apartment on Sunday, Interfax reported Monday.
Holy crap! I wonder who our best spammer is. Maybe they can start having Spam Olympics or something.
That said, I'm not real big on the idea of killing off the spammers. Amputate their hands or break their spines, maybe. How many spams can then send typing with their feet or using one of those quadriplegic typing sticks? (clearing the way for the Spam Special Olympics).
Okay, I'll stop now.
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I'd hate to be part of the police department that has to handle this one. There is a list of suspects that probably numbers in the hundreds of millions.
And while we're at it, maybe the murderer thought of that too. How the hell do you sort through that many suspects to find the real one?
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
Let us pause and meditate on the lesson of Ed Gruberman.
If you posted on /. that spammers should die, I guess you can now consider yourself a suspect.
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And if you are a UK resident you can thank your lucky stars that the Extradition Act 2003 means that the Russian Police don't even need to build a strong case
In Category 2 cases the court may need to be satisfied that there is sufficient evidence produced to show a prima facie case. However, many territories, including the US, Russia and Israel, have been designated so that they do not need to provide evidence, but instead only have to give information. It is significant that when the UK requests extradition from the US it is still required to show 'probable cause' - a diplomatic struggle the UK appears to have lost. The basis for this change of status of the US is the extradition treaty signed in March 2003. This generated a large amount of controversy as the treaty was signed without any Parliamentary scrutiny and the text was not even made public until two months after the signing.
Need your ISP's logs, no problem
The police have acquired additional powers ancillary to extradition requests enabling them to obtain search-and-seizure warrants and production orders. Either of these measures could be used to secure material from third parties including corporations.
http://www.legal500.com/devs/uk/fr/ukfr_018.htm
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
but my home mail box is full of crap every day!!
If they have a prepaid envelope I reply. I usually talk about the poor use of English, or point out why their offer is bad.
If they have a free number, I ring it and be weird at them.
We all need a hobby.
- - this guy was probbaly whacked by a business rival - IN THE SPAM BUSINESS. So for all you sick fucks gloating over this, it's probbaly not going to make one bit of difference in the amount of spam you get.
I was starting to wonder if my internet connection was broken. I've had a lot less spam today, now I know why.
Obama = Socialism.
..would it be irony or poetic justice?
I never spellcheck and I freely admit it. Save your karma for more worthwhile "lol erorrs" replies
Karma? That wouldn't be Karma, Only if his spam killed people would it be Karma.
Your post advocates a
( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based (x) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of email will not put up with it
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
(x) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
(x) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
( ) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending email should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
(x) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!
(x) Wow, this might work!
The mafia wouldnt beat a person to death, they'd simple make the person vanish off the face of the earth. You'd think the mafia would do a professional hit. Yes there is a russian mafia, but if this is the most profitable spammer in russia its simply illogical for them to kill their cashcow.
So yes you could be right, it could be someone in the spam network, but it could just as likely be someone who got tired of recieving the spam.
The fact that he was a major spammer shows that he does dirty business. People like that often end up in dealings with dangerous folks and that's most likely what happened.
...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
This just in! Police have release a photo of the murder weapon!
"Yeah, well, Dracula called and he's coming over tonight for you and I said okay."
Your action advocates a
( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based (x) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
(x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
(x) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of email will not put up with it
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
(x) The police will not put up with it
(x) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
(x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
(x) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
(x) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
(x) Asshats
(x) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
(x) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
(x) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending email should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
(x) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
(x) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
(x) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
I am so having a hard time with caring about this. Heck, there is part of me that wants to jump up and down going "yes!!!, one down, only 1000 or so more to go..."
They mean baseball bats.
For a country where baseball virtually doesn't exist as a sport, they sure import lots of those fine American sports products.
Paradoxically, baseball gloves are poor sellers.
Add no ingredients, beat thoroughly. Let stand, or hang from web-cam monitored lamp-post. Repeat as needed.
Faith: n. -- That human impulse that drives them to steal appliances when the power goes out
ironic
Have they found out who the killer was and what his motivation was? Was it really some crazy who had enough of spam?
I was out of town...
In soviet russia spam kill YOU!
In Soviet Russia, spam assasinates YOU.
I haven't laughed this hard in ages
I never spellcheck and I freely admit it. Save your karma for more worthwhile "lol erorrs" replies
I think this page explains it all.
I've seen in the past from some of the more radical members here that Spammers should be killed and then spam would stop because the cowardly spammers would perceive a physical danger. Well, here you are! Now what?
I guess someone finally figured out a surefire way of opting out of future mailings.
Bad Karma gets you one way or the other. The greeks called it Erynies for a reason.
... so *cachiiiiing* here is your karma paycheck! In your next life you will be a firewall router...
It's not that the murderer was a disgruntled web-surfer but probably the victim's agressive pursue of wealth led to shady dealings with people you only want to see on movies...
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I'm just totally surprised it took this long for a spammer to be murdered. To be frank, though, I'm totally surprised tons of people haven't been hunted down and killed, in this day and age. There are so many villains out there, from social, political, and even the realm of sports, who arise such hatred .. it just boggles my mind there isn't one nut job who gets so fed up they go out and hunt them down.
I just don't have THAT much faith in humanity to do the right thing -- all the time.
I am sure that SPEWS supporters will be dancing happily around the bonfire tonight, that their dream of having a spammer brutally tortured and murdered has come to fruition.
ahaha In Soviet Russia spam...ahahaha...kills...ahaha
I can't even get the joke out!
Study everything, you'll find something you can use - Jason Bourne
Yeah, talk about SpamAssassin...
Not a good idea in the US. Interfering with mail delivery is a serious offense.
That's what he gets for deleting the email before forwarding to 10 friends...
You're next!
Under Russian law, spamming is not considered illegal, although lawmakers are working on legal projects that could protect Russian Internet users like they do in Europe and the U.S.
Was this one of them? Nice.
...this is the work of a serial killer.
I both pity the guy (and pray thate he will reach purgatory at least) and at the same time, am afraid of the people behind the murder. I mean, if someone we consider a villain was murdered, then it means he was only a pawn of a much greater power :-S
As they say, you never know who you work for.
Let it be known that he died not from the spam but the effects of spam!
I told him, "Look out or you'll be killed" and he said "No" and now look
I told him so
This just reminds me of milton from office space, he could only take so much before burning the building down :)
I mean, I've wanted to see Spammers get their just desserts; I've dreamed about spammers being arrested and locked up in a cell with three guys who bought their Viagra and Enlargement Pills, but I've never really considered that something could really happen. I kind of feel like Vir, when his "I'd like to see your head up on a pike, so I can wave at it like this" moment. It's an anti-cathartic moment that I'll have to savor in its most violent decadence, yet sweet at the same time.
Just. Wow.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
I thought my inbox looked a little sparse this morning.
SIERRA TANGO FOXTROT UNIFORM
Judging by the way my ceremonial can-o-Spam reacts to a magnet, I would say Irony.
//Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
This reminds me of the beginning of the 'God Father' when the young Don kills the local landlord for being such a crook bringing a sense of safty and peace back to the neighborhood.
Sometimes the way to peace is violent.
Disclaimer: I in no way condone murder, just making observations.
Fall Will I Wobble?
Frank Wurst In Western?
Four Wars I World?
Can't even figure something useful out.
CNNBCBS!
Most likely he was offed because he was hogging all the viagra, or he failed to consolidate all that debt...
Fear not, someone else is going to be taking over the operation now.
In America, You want to kill Spam. In Soviet Russia, Spam wants to kill you.
serves him right
So that's what my newest spam blocker does!
Feed it to his kids now...
Russians take shit too far. Roulette is fun and all, but no, those russians had to take it one step further. How do you come up with a game like that anyways? Whatever they do, they do it with intensity. Who was in space first? I rest my case. -Mitch Hedberg
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mitch_Hedberg
Rest in peace Mitch.
"All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
Spam brutally murders you! Sorry, but as soon as I saw the headline, I realized I had no choice.
This gives a whole new meaning to SpamAssassin.
SYS 64738
It's a game played by many "businesses", let someone develop the market then take it over by any means.
Your new spam might read like: "Read This, Buy or Die!" Where every word is meant to be taken in the literal sense.
I daresay... Moooo! Jolly Good, wot!? Eh, Tally ho! Back to chewing my cud, pip pip and all of that, old bean. Smashing. *chewing*
Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
Maybe they can start having Spam Olympics or something.
Something tells me the athletes would have to wear protective headgear like the boxers.
Since the police won't deal with the problem, you might want to get together with your neighbors and file a class-action suit against the burglars. Make sure they get cease-and-desist orders, too. Be sure you have a shotgun when you do this. These burglars will surely get very cranky with you and yours once you do this.
Finding God in a Dog
I'm not saying they shoulda killed the bastard...
... but I understand.
My feelings... he was working for the mob... and one of their addresses somehow got on his list. 1000 emails later, the originator was beaten to death by 1000 blows to the head with one of the advertised dildos in his spam mails.
/me goes to wall. Remebers last drywall repair bill. Resists.
I can see how in a moment of weakness it could happen.Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
Blows to the head sounds pretty gentle compared to the way he should have been killed. If he was to get what he deserved, they'd still be in the process.
One CPU cycle wasted on digital restrictions management is ONE TOO MANY.
OK, one down but countless many left.
Who's next for the clue bat?
Ed Almos
Budapest, Hungary
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. - Tacitus, 56-120 A.D.
Second, looking at the circumstances, it is likely that he just fell victim of a robbery not specifically targeted at his business, and very unlikely caused by his use of spammers.
And there was much rejoicing. (yay)
Some people are like slinkys. They're useless, but it puts a smile on your face to push them down the stairs.
Doesn't work for 4th class "occupant" mail - it's just a hassle for the post office, not the sender. Most of the physical spam I get that's actually addressed to me is credit card applications, and I could opt out of those if I weren't so lazy.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
I can do it! I can really do it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking
Wow... a guy that sends spam gets the ultimate remove my name from your list. May seem a little harsh, but I doubt anyone is giving him much sympathy. It interesting that a society could despise something so much that when a human life is extinguished, they say good riddance.
I eat Karma for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. That's why I don't have any.
Sounds,
Like the Russian Mob wanted a piece of his spam.
Tasty!
---- Go ahead, mod me down, I'll just post it again and you lose your mod points.
The problem is that you're assuming you'll get caught. "Doing what, officer? We've been here playing cards all evening"
The question is: Can you live with the consequences?
MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
I bet he's made a lot of money with all that spam. And as any Russian will tell you, don't fuck with the Mob. If only there were some way for his relatives to inherit the money without attracting attention...
Hey, I have an idea!
DEAR SIR,
ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. I AM MR. VLADIMIR NATREVSKY, COUNCIL TO ONE MR. VARDAN
KUSHNIR. I HAVE IN MY POSESSION FOURTY-TWO MILLION US DOLLARS ($42,000,000.00) IN VARIOUS
BANK ACCOUNTS, FROM MR. KUSHNIR'S ASSORTED BUSINESSES. Due to the violent nature of Mr. Kushiner's
death, his reletives do not wish to attract attention to themselves by claiming the money. they
have enlisted my aid in finding someone outside of russia to help them. the money will be deposited into
a bank account of your choosing in the unites states. once this has been accomplished, and with great
sadness, Mr. Kushiner's family will flee the russia that they love to start a new life. the money,
less your commission, will them be transferred to them in their new homeland.
FOR YOUR HELP, YOU WILL RECEIVE 30% OF THEIR FORTUNE ($12,600,000), AND 10% ($4,200,000) WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR
EXPENSES.
YOURS FAITHFULLY,
Mr. VLADIMIR NATREVSKY
I doubt this had anything to do with the spam, but if it did, in no way was the punishment proportionate to the crime. Sure, I get tired of e-mails asking me if I feel my manhood is inadequate, but who would kill someone for it?
In Russia you don't unsubscribe from the list, the list unsubscribes from you!
Now [WHAM!!!] will you [WHAM!!!] remove my name [WHAM!!!] from [WHAM!!!] your [WHAM!!!] list ?!?
/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
It's just that the letter H sounds like N. :-)
... or will people have to piss on the ground?
It's one thing to check your email and have to click delete and another to get out of your chair when eating dinner and answer a phone only to have to hang up. Telemarketers suck much more than spammers and yet because it's D.I.G.I.T.A.L. spammers get more attention.
When I first saw this article I thought ``Well, perhaps, I'll be getting less spam with a Cyrillic character set than I've been getting.'' But more and more I'm thinking I'll be getting the same as before, if not more. The difference will be that someone else on the transmitting end will be getting paid for sending it.
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I feel this definitely constitutes a brute force approach, and it might not always work, and there may be a few jurisdictional problems ;)
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." G.W.Bush
(x) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
you should have logged in for that one, hah!
In a justice system where whoever comes up with the most money to pay off the judge, or whoever has to greatest influence over the judge, even the courts don't function well. That doesn't mean vigilantism is the answer. The US dealt with the mafia by establishing an FBI, that could police your police for corruption. Maybe Russia needs a brand new KGB, to police their old KGB that converted into the mafia.
.. not to burn the bastard alive.
See the sig above: $16, $0 Domain, 7.6GB Disk, 192GB pipe, MySQL, RoR, IMAP, [alderflats.com] ("alderflats.com" links to Dreamhost.com.)
(I know this is off-topic, but it is on-topic in that sigs are allowed, and sometimes we need to comment on sigs.)
Now I understand the Dreamhost ads we see in people's sigs, including that in the parent comment:
"Earn $97 CASH for each account you refer! Introducing DreamHost Rewards - the most flexible affiliate program of the web hosting world! You can choose to receive substantial one-time credits for each of your referrals, or recurring credits for every payment that your referrals EVER make to DreamHost! Credits can be paid out via PayPal or check, or applied to a hosting bill with DreamHost.com. You don't even need to host with us yourself! "
We've had problems with Dreamhost in the past. That was 3 years ago. Maybe they've changed. Anyone have any experience with the present Dreamhost?
How does Dreamhost compare with Powweb, for example? They both seem to have abusive marketing ideas; that raises a red flag for me; if someone abuses other people, they will certainly abuse me, I think.
All those advertisements of huge bandwidth allotments are just sneaky marketing, for Powweb, anyway. Powweb limits the number of hits customers can get each day, so that no customer could possibly use all the bandwidth.
Sigs that are ads create conflict of interest. The commentor may make a useless comment just so the ad will be seen. That decreases the utility of discussions for everyone.
Huh. So your wife doesn't refer to you by your
Maybe Russia doesn't care. They have enough problems to deal with. If spam brings their country money then they won't do anything about it.
Did you have to publish this? Given that the average member of the slashdot crowd appears to have very little knowledge of most things beyond the borders of the US, let alone Russia - this seems like an invitation to talk bulls**t. Like the mafia stuff - I mean, come on... who here has a clue about the links between Russian mafia and spamming. Its all guesswork. There's nothing wrong with guesswork - but most of the clowns here pass it off as fact.
...spam trashes you!
I made a post on the Internet!
well if 4th class mail becomes more difficult that means the price will go up and it'll be less of an incentive to use it.
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
Of course the body part enlargement jokes could be invoked ... "Well, of course he's the biggest, he's been taking those damn pills for, like, ever."
.. paranoid crackpot leftover from the days of Amiga.
I remember trying to use the same logic to demonstrate that a 20-minute registration period at the start of class was too fucking long. The math went something like:
15 (you probably do need 5 mins) / 60 (mins in hour) * 1500 (people in school) * 200 (approx) school days in year * 7 (years in school) * 2 (morning and afternoon reg)
= 350,000 hours
= 15000 days (approx)
= 40 years of someone's life - a fairly decent lifespan til comparatively recently
Sadly my teachers didn't buy it and I still got detention for turning up late to registration.
For the love of God, please learn to spell "ridiculous"!!!
And that's about what it's going to take in the United States, as well.
Isn't it sad? Just like the Illumaniti and royality of France, our Congress is so removed from people and beholden to the power of corporations which fund their re-election advertising. It's sad when vigilantes have to do the job which the "government" cannot.
I fear it is going to work the same way with Microsoft, one of these days...
as much as i hate spam, i find a problem with the people that are gleefully cheering the guy's death.
sure his actions are annoying and put additional unnecessary burden on society... still, that is no reason to celebrate his death. autistic children are a burden on the system too, you know..
--
http://unk1911.blogspot.com/
100 million suspects.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" - Albert Einstein.
It was Bill Gates. He couldn't figure out what CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet did, so he "bought them out" to avoid competing with them.
Are you joking?
No
Has human life lost all sanctity...
No
that you think it is justifiable to end a man's life because he sends you unwanted email?...
In the quantities that he sent, yes
Is spam that much of an annoyance to you that you are filled with satisfaction when a man is bludgeoned to death, only because that man was a spammer?...
Yes
Okay, I'm noticing a lot of people saying this isn't the right approach.
Personally - I'll just say "FUCK THAT!". He was a spammer. He was among the slime of the earth. Among the bastards making me work long nights to clena out far too fucking long mail queues with absolutely no content. He was among the tards that makes me have more work to do. More work, while I already have too much to do. I work regular 50 hour weeks, and sometimes I put in 70 hours. And I'll have to deal with scum like himm?
I applaud the great people that offed this asshole. If I ever get to know who they are - I'll offer to buy them some beer. They've gotten rid of one of the spammer bastards which makes me have to work more.
I'll applaud the killer of all and every spammer. I'll applaud them - and offer to buy them beer if I ever get to know what they've done.
I'll never report a spammerkiller to any authorities. They're good guys.
If they were the mob - then hey! Thanks mob!
If they were people that had been spammed by this asshole: JOLLY GOOD WORK!
If it was a random killing - then hey! Thanks guys!
If anyone wonders - yes - I truly hate spammers. I hate their guts so badly that I cannot wish a bad enough death to them. Preferrably there should be a large degree of violence involved, and the suffering SHOULD be prolonged over as much time as possible.
In any case: "THANKS!" to the people that offed these assholes!
... him, for whatever reason. I don't agree that murder is always the best solution, because eventually it gets hard to hide the bodies... however in cases like this it's the only real option, and from those of us who do spam admin and blocking-- we thank you (even if you were part of the russian mafia who spam us with viruses all the damn time... one less spammer is one less spammer.)
Shadus
I say the Mafia boss (tov. Putin) got tired of those 'Enlarge your penis now' emails.
;)
But seriously folks, this is just too funny. BTW., he was not spamming about penises, AFAIK he was spamming about teaching English!
Yes, teaching English can be deadly like that
You can't handle the truth.
I hate spam as much as anyone, but how come we don't complain so bitterly over every other form of unsolicited advertising? What about all those fucking CDs AOL keeps sending? What about the credit card offers that keep pouring in? The catalogs?
The waste of rescources is obscene!
Look at the piles of dog feces that come to the US from Russia and former states of the USSR.
These are the piles that cut in line in the supermarket, and then turn around and yell at anyone who says something to them about it (and that's when you can tell from their accent where they're from).
Piles and piles of dog feces is all they are and ever will be. Good ridens to one -- good start.
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Talk about arrested development... Shouldn't he be a bit bigger by now?
Or should I say:
OOLKAY ITAY?
"Ayn Rand is a bloody socialist compared to me." - Robert A. Heinlein
Just being unbearably pendantic.
Just being unbearably what now?
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
Does this mean we'll all be getting less spam?
What, it's not like he's going to need them anymore and somebody has to keep all of you informed about the lastest in English education as well as penis enlargement, Cialis, Suzie XXX, etc, etc, etc.
Way to go Yuri! Your mob has successfully beaten out gray listing and Baraccuda Networks as the best possible solution to this problem! Is there a Paypal donate button that allows me to give money to the Russian mafia to encourage their continued campaign against spammers? Oh, wait... here's that button, within the body of this email from admin@paypal.com
How convenient!
Don't Crease the Weasel!
This isn't a story until we know what the motive was really. We can all make guesses though.
If the motivation was the spamming activity then what I have to say is "I'm surprised it took THIS long before it actually happened." For all other motives, I have nothing to say about it really... just another day in Russia I suppose.
I believe there is something wrong when any large group of people take murder so lightly. People of Slashdot! What is wrong with you? This man was murdered. It's not right. It's not funny. Who cares what he did. This reminds me a lot of this article:4 259&tid=172
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/12/13
In which slashdotters also seemed to take the idea of killing hackers lightly. Should there be punnishment? Yes, but it should fit the crime.
Spamming should just be outlawed and we wont have to worry about this violence.
Right, because making something illegal immediately stops it from happening. What kind of crack are you smoking?
Like what I said? You might like my music
I am a student who is going to be in Moscow for a while next year. I have been warned about how so many women will pursue American men. I'm not planning on getting invovled anyone, but thought I'd be smart to ask advice of someone who married a Russian women. Was the cross cultural marrige experience difficult? Did things work out alright, etc? Just thought I'd ask before being faced with that situation...
Patent: from Latin patere, to be open
the thirty emails I got today with the subject
"HELP! I'm being beaten to death!! Anyone?!! PLEASE HURRY! almonsted nocks"
And it's an iron crowbar.
I wish someone would kill the spammers at www.vendaregroup.com. They are responsible for the harrisondm.com spam, and much of the other spam that comes from MCI and above.net recently.
My best guess is that he was beaten down by someone's enormous penis after taking all those pills he advertised.
Either that, or he got beaten down by UMERO MUMBA, PRINCE REGENT OF NIGERIA after ripping him off.
Regardless, I consider it karmic debt paid in full.
Obviously Hot Russian Teens need to be at the top of the suspect list.
Russia may be treating its oil/gas wealth better than some countries (like Venezuella or some of the Gulf states), but certainly is nowhere near Norway's resilience to the prices' fluctuations.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Yes!
(I find it's a .sig that ferrets out old-timers. I'll bet I just found another one. :-D )
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Only 3 good "In Soviet Russia.." jokes in the whole thread?!
:P
I thought there would be at least 20 by now. Man, you guys are disappointing.
...but regardless of this particular case, I often wonder how come the more notorious spammers don't get in trouble more often? Just think about it: these people are annoying MILLIONS of people, hundreds of millions, in fact. Of all those, you'd think there are good odds to find one unbalanced, motivated and aggravated enough to take the problem in his/(her?) own hands, and by that I don't mean software solutions.
Again, we're talking hundreds of millions of individuals...
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I for one, have decided that my favorite Emails are SPAM. What would I rather get, mindless people emailing me requests that make me have to work; or hearing about How Crazy Asians chicks want me, NOW!. I am setting up my emails to filter the work emails into trash and keeping SPAM. SPAM lifts me up and makes me feel better about my existence
no god is good
Karma is karma. It is not good. It is not bad.
Karma is karma.
Repeated blows to the head may have been the instrument of his karma, but that does not make karma good or bad. It doesn't need justification, it is nothing and everything.
In 1992, there was more foreign investment in Russia than China. Today, China is within 5 years of surpassing the United States in GDP, while Russia continues to sink into third world status.
How did this happen? Quite simply, the corruption at every level of government AND civil society in Russia makes it impossible to set up business there. If you do, be prepared to pay taxes to the syndicates that may very well keep you on the edge of bankruptcy.
On the other hand, China makes every conceivable concession to foreign investment and extremely low taxes - whether the taxes paid to government or crime syndicates. I think it is a huge mistake for the Western economies
Do not confuse foreign restaurants and a clean tourist area with national renaissance. You can go to downtown Manila, an area called Makati and you'd think you're in Century City, with massive high rises and world class shops, but it's still the Philippines, one of the most corrupt and poor countries in the world.
Don't think I hate Russia, I love Russians and want to see a strong Russia again. But this can never take place as long as the mob controls the country's economy.
"autistic children are a burden on the system too, you know."
Are they? Or is that the other way around?
I think you have choosen a group that you do not know much about, based on your bias and sterotypes to make an analogy. I take offense to that. Please let me know your skin color, IQ and sexual preference so that I may use you in a similarly (in)appropriate analogy please.
You have to love that episode, if you're a nerd I mean.
Occam's razor is the blind faith in the natural selection of least resistance and in universal oversimplification. -- EF
I truly and sincerely hope that the same thing happens to Bill Gates someday. He's caused the computer world much more harm than some Russian spammer ever could. I hope it happens soon.
If only that were playing non-stop on the Sterio of that fella's apartment.
Russia, like any country with its history and economy has its requisite share of the thug culture, but it's like a schoolyard, if you truly have no desire to play with those kids then you'll probably only see them on the street as they're pulling other people out of their car. Many, *many* of the people who have been victims of the organized crime subculture have been involved with them in some way, whether in direct business or financial transactions, partying at their clubs, or through buying the drugs/women they offer. Same recipe for getting whacked as anywhere else in the world.
Is it reasonable then to say that I'm not doing business with organized crime? Certainly not. I know they're in the supply chains we use, I know they're controlling the import/export clearing and shipping process, but Donald Trump knows that about his supply chains too even though neither one of us has any contact with them. It's built into the business and just like Las Vegas, when legitimate money comes in they'll be displaced to new areas.
I'm not saying it's rosy over there, Russia has a very high crime rate and a high murder rate, especially if you're more conspicuous than the average Russian (which every American is) so you have to keep your wits about you, but that's because it's a culture trying to right itself, not specifically because of organized crime.
So the recipe for staying away from organized crime in Russia is the same as anywhere else -- don't screw prostitutes, don't buy drugs, don't run up gambling debts, don't borrow money, and don't think that you can "grab a little advantage" through a small business relationship with someone involved with OC and think you can slip away.
You handle your business in an ethical way to everyone, OC or not, even if it costs you a little in the short term, they will look for easier marks.
The only acceptable defense of scientific results is to say that they were the product of the Scientific Method.
first thought:
...*flop*
ENLARGE *thud* THIS *thud* YOU *thud* FUCKER!!
but seriously, he could've gotten killed for any number of reasons - debts, threats, crossing someone, etc.. He could've been holding something back (one russian news site said his apartment looked like someone rummaged through it), or someone he knew robbed him.
also, it looks like the majority of spam coming from this guy was for his own business - "American Language Center" which is pretty notorious for ICQ and email spamming.
coincidentally, there is a lot of computer-related organized crime in russia. i lived there until i was 15 and even then (back in the early 90's) pirated software and hacking tools were a big market. everyone knew everyone....
--- sig moved for great justice.
The randomly-selected line at the bottom of Slashdot right now is, "It takes both a weapon, and two people, to commit a murder." Eerily appropriate.
Sigs are like bumper stickers.
Come on! They left out the important info from the article. I want to know what Anti-Spam Application got him. I want a copy for my home machine. It's obviously effective. hmm, I wonder if it works on a subscription model?
here's an interesting wikipedia article that explains exactly why Kushnir's skull abruptly changed shape.
--- sig moved for great justice.
to bad guys when they do illegal things.
John Schmidt
johnschmidt.dk
Well how about that? He opted-out.
--- For a good time mail uce@ftc.gov
...was the "blunt object" a mallet? :-)
........took the term LART to heart.
And who among us is not a nerd? Let him be cast out.
Usually I don't believe in the opt-out mechanism, but in this case I think it just might work.
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
I don't recall the exact words George Carlin used, but here's the gist of it:
Sanctity of Life is BS, plain and simple. People like to believe that life is somehow sacred. Why? 'cause we're alive! We have a vested interest in maintaining the notion that our status is somehow special. For life to be sacred, that implies that there is a God who favours us because of we are alive. Yet if you look at history, God is the leading cause of death. Q: Do you believe in God? A: no dead. Q: do you believe in *my* God? A: no Millions of dead motherfuckers, all because they gave the wrong answer to the god question, so don't preach to me about the sanctity of life...
In essence, life is not inherently sacred. The very concept of holding an abstract ideal like sanctity requires life, more then that, sentient life in order to exist. The meaning of life is simple, to exist. If you believe that human life is sacred, you must by logical extension, believe that *all* life is somehow special. If that is the case, then you must refuse vaccinations, hold still to let mosquitos feed, and be opposed to most forms of birth control, the death penalty, war, eating meat, wearing leather or real linen etc etc because all of those involve the death of one life form to benefit another life form.
I need a wheelchair van for my son. Help me get the word out. https://www.gofundme.com/wheelchair-van-for-jj
I'll bet money the only reason Russia is included in that list is because the original language of the law says "Soviet Union."
Call me an insensitive clod or anything, but I laughed long and hard when I read TFA. You really should've received all that American English Center spam to understand how much people hate them.
When legislation and technology is incapable of stopping spam, there are old and simple methods to shut up the spammer. Dead simple.
Of course this murder doesn't really have to be related to the spammer's activities, but I got my satisfaction nevertheless.
You mean someone (besides me) has read,'The Adolesence of P-1' ?. I actually still have a copy!
V for Vendetta: People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
vlad spams email.. his attackers spam his head.. spamming at different levels.. they are all illegal..
While Moscow is booming, a little slowed because of the Asian Economic problems and over all cool down in the World Economy, Russia isn't booming.
So the region is becoming what it was 600 years ago, City-States and the hinterlands they "control".
Moscow exerts control over oil, gas, aerospace technology and timber outside of Moscow while they are stimied in Chechnya by a small, small force which is costing them thousands of soldiers and alot of equipment.
Russia, I've heard as a whole is about 100 years behind Europe and the Americas.
I left my look of shock and simpathy at home.
Ok now everyone start humming the Queen hit...
"Another one bites the dust"
"Your having a bad day when the voices in your head put you on hold"
While I admire that chutzpah of the people tracking down spammers and trying to put them out of business, its only a matter of time they cross the path of some business fronting for organized crime, e.g. gambling, porn, prescriptions, spam, etc.
The same thing with the college kid & church groups aiding Mexican border crossers during this terrible heat wave. They are going to get wacked by mules or drug couriers sooner or later.
Don't waste time with expensive court trials and negative propoganda. Just grab 'em and stuff'em in the river.
Nice to see someone has the same level of patience I have for these people.
...because?
Of Spamassassin, for sure him got max HIT count.
Uhhhhh. . . Yes there is. The Russian letter 'X' is the equivalent of the English letter 'H'. And as someone has already posted, in Cyrillic the symbol 'H' is in fact the equivalent of the English letter 'N'.
PECTOPAH ~ 'restoran', for the non-Cyrillic /. population. /non-native //three semesters years and years ago /// REM Stolen From Fark
Certainly gives new meaning to putting someone in your "kill" file!
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
I guess that mob boss didn't "grow his manhood" as much as was advertised.
Dear Friend,
A business partner of mine has sadly passed away leaving $5 million in a russian bank account. Im trusting that you will be able to help us withdraw the funds, because of your support of our problem we will reward you with $10,000 all we ask of you is to help us withdraw the funds.
please send us your banking details so we can proceed in this matter,
thank you for your time
v1gra, xxx, cilasis, wawd3r2, sdsergon, teen
I don't mean to lash out at you in particular, but I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. We cheer at Y2K and Daylight Saving Time mods, claiming "it keeps us in business" while meanwhile murdered spammers elicit barely any sympathy because of all the "harm" they have done. Don't any of you IT folks realize that if there weren't any "bad guys" that many of you wouldn't have jobs writing filters, updating virus definitions, and so forth?
Right, this is /. home of the insane moderators, so I feel I must explain that no, I am not trolling, and yes, I hate spam just as much as anybody else. I simply don't understand the hostility here, especially given the (apparently unacknowledged) co-dependencies involved.
Witnesses have also reported a man leaving the building crying out "Spambuster, Bitch!". Dave Chappelle is apparently being sought for questioning.
I am neither happy nor sad, I just know that there will be a little drop in Spam traffic, and that makes it a good day.
- Vegetable
- Mineral
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
Like all wives, she cost him everything.
...inspires things like this, best computer smash I've seen since that one with the guy in his office a few years ago. Ad agencies are finally getting it right. :)
He must have filled up somebody's Inbox pretty badly.
Simpy
I must admit, even if it sounds brutal of me, that i smiled when i read that.
Maybe things like this could scare off other spammers. What they do is one of the greatest evils of the internet, right next to vira and hackers.
Thousands of innocent people die every day and we don't care. There's no reason to feel sorry for a person like this.
I'm glad he's dead.
Except, of course, that all my personal mail is greatly subsidized by that 4th class mail. The physical spam I discard cuts the price of a stamp in half. Unlike email, it's not obvious that less physical spam works out better for me.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
This is retribution and murder, not justice
Retribution and justice are not so different. Most generally held definitions of justice have long since absorbed the concept of retribution. While the word 'justice' may have originally meant something like 'goodness', the two departed thousands of years ago.
Even in the most enlightened societies, killing is generally held to be murder only when unjustified. Self-defense and capital punishment are both widely-accepted exceptions. Many would even add reasonable police action as an exception to murder. I doubt we'll ever see the bobbies who killed that person the other day on trial for murder.
In short, I'm not disagreeing with your assessment. But the dichotomy you assume between justice and retribution is demonstrably false. 'Justice' is yet another in a long list of words that have been hijacked and expanded by the doublespeak of the ages.
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
'i', 'j' and 'y' (prev 'ij' or 'ÿ') all come via Latin from the greek 'iota' which comes from the semitic 'yod'.
I think. I might be mistaken.
You make the mistake of thinking you can educate the fundamental stupidity out of people. You can't.
You can only generate so much ill will before the karma wheel falls off the axle and crushes your ass.
:o)
I guess you didn't RTFA, but it wasn't his ass that was crushed.
n?T
While I'm not happy that another human-being is dead, I am quite happy that a Internet low-life scum known as a SPAMMER shall trouble us no more...
That said - I wonder if it was the fact that he pissed someone off for something other than Spamming and they took him out for it, or if it was the fact that he was a spammer - spammed the wrong guy (or gal) who went over the deep end, and whacked him...
Personally I think that the latter reason would stand to act as somewhat more of a deterrent and warning to other spammers. When you're blasting out 10 million messages a day - what's the percentage of nutjobs that you're pissing off? How many of them live in your country, city, or neighborhood? How many of them will seek deadly revenge?
Might not be enough to give pause to that schmuck Ralsky (who has his house cordioned off with mail bags), but some of the smaller spammers might go and flip burgers instead of pestering us...
It'd be interesting to see what impact this has, if any, on the levels of spam so long as it's in the news...
Regardless of his spamming activities, he was still a human being, murdered in a brutal way. I'm sure he had loved ones who will miss him.
I understand the tongue in cheek attitude ("Spam assassin! the writing was on the e-Wall! No mor russian spam!") but please don't lose perspective: another life taken.
Murder is never good.
That's why I'm glad I posted AC! See, it's not just for GNAA first posts; it has other legitimate uses!
> The spamming was probably just incidental.
Yeah, that's the ticket. I^H Spam-haters had nothing to do with this. The police shouldn't even investigate that angle, and should find a suspect with no connection to spam. And if, perish the thought, any more spammers are found dead under mysterious circumstances, the police shouldn't investigate spam-haters then either.
But just in case any spam-haters do get unjustly charged, the Charles Booher Defense Fund will, of course, ensure that they get the best, and most expensive, defense the law allows.
Someone in some Russian forum offered to print some of his spam and put it on his grave. It's bad I don't live in Moscow, because I could do it.
Legalize firearms!
How can this blunt bs be modded informative? A weeks salary for a hamburger! Even as a beggar you do earn way more in moscow.
okay, mod me down. I have loads of AC-Karma to burn...
The murderer could have at least been a bit more original, perhaps boiling the spammer's flesh and making spam out of it and sending it to the spamees as a peace offering, only trouble is they might get pissed off getting spammed by spammer spam. ;-)
If you posted on /. that spammers should die, I guess you can now consider yourself a suspect.
Yes, in the same sort of way that everyone who owns a car is a suspect in a hit-and-run.
....Millions of suspects !
to make sure they investigate, AND to piss the cops off by making them do their job. I had a couple of lawn chairs in the yard, and they got stolen, so the cops are not interested - too small a crime. BUT, I had taped a $50.00 bill inside the leg of the chair, so now, it's a FELONY, and they have to investigate! And when they catch the guy, is he in for a surprise! Thinks it's a misdemeanor, but oh no!! and Big Bad Butch is his new cellmate!!
Now that's what i'm talking about .... its the only way these bastards will learn.. We've tried it the "USA Gov and their 'laws'" way.. and it didn't work. Lets see what impact this will have :p
Its a shame though.. they should have just amputated his legs from the knee below and maby a finger or two.. and kept him alive so others can be put off by the misery he has to live in ...
Cruel? Yes.. very..
For a short while there I had a reduction in spam!!!! But then I guess the russian equivilant to fat tony took over for mr dead spammer and now there is no change in the # of spams :\
Ever notice how rare it is for an upstanding member of the community to be murdered? It happens and it happens more than we would like but when you compare it to the percentage of scum-bags (like drug dealers) the percentages are pretty slim.
I don't know if it was the result of his spamming or his ties with the mafia (did he have any?) or if it was something else but, I'd guess his odds of getting killed were greater, much greater than yours or mine.
A part of me figures he got what was coming to him.
It's unfortunate that this happened. But that's what goes on when law enforcement doesn't do their job. People take things into their own hands.
This guy was a sleazebag. He wasn't even Russian. He engaged in tax fraud. He was sued in the Unites States for stock fraud. He was a grade A, first class, scumbag, whose latest scam was spamming the crap out of people to promote his American Language Center. I would routinely get his annoying e-mails, in Russian, multiple copies, suggesting I needed to learn English by attending his school.. unfortunately since I couldn't read Russian, the wisdom of his bone-headed indiscriminate solicitations became apparent.
With all due respect, this couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. There's a lot of death in this world, and that's horrible, but in this case, perhaps this guy's death means that I will fianlly stop getting those stupid Russian-language spam in my inbox, and that's a good thing.
However, realistically, it's very unlikely his murder was due to his spamming. It's a lot more likely he screwed somebody over in a business or drug deal and he got paid what he was owed. In either case, I will enjoy, if only for a moment, the thought that there might be one less major spammer operating, and that maybe authorities will recognize how much people despise this activity and do something to control it. If they don't, then they can expect many more people to not be terribly sympathetic over the untimely demise of people of this nature.
I seriously doubt this guy was killed just for spamming, but let's assume he was for discussion. While on the surface it may seem that the punishment (death) far exceeds the crime (spamming) let's do a little math.
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Say I spend 10 seconds managing my spam every 2-3 days. That's 28 seconds a week. No big deal right?
Say I've been doing it for the last 5 years and will continue to for the next 55.
(5 + 55) * 52 weeks * 28 seconds a week = 87,360 seconds (24.266~ hours). Still not that bad, just one day.
Someone who lives 80 years only gets 700,800 hours to live.
That means spammers only have to annoy 28,879 people ( 700,800 / 24.266~ = 28,879 ) before they've wasted an entire (long) human lifetime worth of time. Now I know it's a bit of a stretch to equate a human lifetime worth of time to the life of an actual human being, but I begin to wonder. My time is very valuable to me and I'd rather not waste a single second of it deleting unwanted advertisements from my inbox.
But let's take it a little further. According to this there are 6,454,864,470 people on earth at the time of this writing. Say spammers only annoy 5% of them (a low estimate I would guess) for their entire lives. That's still 322,743,223 people who lost a day's time to spam.
24.266 hours per person * 322,743,223 people = 7831902223.6 hours wasted.
That's 11,175.66 human lifetimes!
If you want to equate those to actual deaths here are some comparisons:
"British Medial Journal indicating that passive smoking kills over 11,000 people in UK." (http://www.sdlp.ie/pr2march2005.shtm).
"To take prostate cancer as an example, although it kills over 11,000 men a year..." (http://www.icr.ac.uk/press/releases/cancerchip.h
"Gun violence kills over 11,000 Americans every year..." (http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2002/1
These were extremely low estimates, the world's population is growing, and the amount of spam is growing.
Still think the punishment didn't fit the crime? I'm not sure anymore myself.
Question everything
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oh oh im not! im not! please cast me out so that i cant flame or troll anymore!! please please please!!!
. . . . and then they can make a movie from the video game.
Let's see, how about . . . . "The Spaminator"? The mechanoid (or some such thing - - I don't watch much Sci-Fi) comes back from, ummm, having just been in 1982, where he sees that the spammers will destroy the Internet. So then, he jumps to 2005 and . .
It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
that he was whacked for spamming. It is more likely he was part of a mob hit that had to do with money rather than his line of business.
"where extraordinary levels of physical violence are the accepted norm, "
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Guess you haven't been to Irvington, NJ where knowing the native language won't do you much good.
http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Irvi
...I wasn't there to see him buy it. I really would seriously love to see the death penalty world wide for spam. Kill every rat bastard spammer on the planet. That should send a strong message about just how little I care about the lives of reprehensible spammers.
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
i guess someone did not got satisfied with its new penis size :-/
If you figure a hundredth of the people he annoyed probably wanted to, at the very least, punch him in the face, then this is totally proportional---he just got what was coming to him, all at once.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
And I agree with the analyses present elsewhere in this thread which conclude that this gentleman wasn't slain by some irate spam recipient, but rather by the powerful and dangerous criminals in Russia who are finding the current the current political and social state of their country amenable to abuse.
That said, I will admit that I find it difficult to feel any great unhappiness at the fate this man has met.
SpamAssassin did it.
Someone sent out 1,000,000 spams that offered a FREE subscription to 15 different magazines of your choice to the first person to bring back skull fragments.
I'd like to see more spammers get killed. Spamming should be punishable by death.
Maybe this news story is fake, and was posted to garner attention to a web site full of click through ad's?
As for appropriate reactions... a toast to the person(s) responsible, and maybe we should think of raising a legal defense fund.
Tech Public Policy stuff
How about some asshat corporate DRM-pushing motherfuckers?
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This post encoded with ROT26. If you can read it, you've violated the DMCA. Handcuffs please, sergeant.
Spam unsubscribes you!
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
Is this murder going to trigger a wave of "you-need-protection-and-security"-spam? Buy it now before you get popped!
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Spamming reduces company profits, which reduces tax income, which reduces social spendings, which reduce quality of life for the poor.
be canned?
I guess he'd have been better off if they read the instructions:
"We want his spam CANED"
Well, was he brutally murdered, or was his spam "tenderized"?
Apparently, they set out to CAN his spam... and went a little ballistic on the Batman "BAMMM" "POWWW" "SPAMMM"
Evolution has, through most of the time before the advent of agriculture (and for a good part of our existence thereafter) selected us to be avaricious, violent, xenophobic, lustful, and short-sighted. Only fairly recently have things like charity, pacificism, inclusiveness, monogamy, and meticulous planning resulted in anything but 1) death at the hands of a more vicious human 2) failure to reproduce or 3) perishing to the elements/starvation.
Anyway, don't be surprised when people act like this. It just represents the failure of the society to adequately shape people into moderns, by providing incentives and punishing disobedience. For example, if I have a competitor who is using dirty tactics against me, I am not as successful as my twin in another universe who knifes his competitor in an alley, unless he is subsequently hunted down by the cops.
You wankers need lives... need a clue... need a lesson in humanity... need to understand punishment should fit the crime... (when someone who steals $1M can get a longer sentence than a murderer then our system AND OUR SOCIETY need a clue)
While I enjoy spam about as much as the next person I would never find it acceptable to murder a spammer forsending spam. I can't believe so many of you no daylight exposure wankers think this is OK or he deserved to be murdered. Imprisoned, maybe. Fined and profits taken, definitely. Murdered? No.
I'd be interested to hear how they can avoid it !
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
Was it "murder" or was it "tenderizing", albeit a little bit on the soft, undercooked side?
Haven't we all at one point wanted to KILL (if we were dieties and able to do it and get away with it) some bastard or bitch who set upon our systems, cost us time, resources, access, and esteem?
I am not for KILLING someone unless it's clearly the case of irreparable bodily damage or harm about to befall me, but I imagine if his fate is widely publicised, his death won't have been meaningless. Either it was his spamming activities, or his failure to pay up, or he slept with someone's "property", yaddy yaddy yah (you fill in the blanks).
OTOH, his death could be for real reasons unknown, and the media are just chewing the fat over his spam.
One down, far too many to go. *sigh*
Fine, he was a spammer.
Somewhere he probably has a mother, still alive, who is sobbing over his grave. To her, he was her boy, her son, a part of her flesh and blood.
What would you tell her? "Tough shit, grandma. Your boy got offed over some spam."
Shame.
"To pass through the jungle; silence, courtesy, ferocity, as the occasion demands." -- Kamau, "Proper Passage"
People get murdered in Russia all the time. It might be that a crime boss got annoyed with his spam, or that the spammer simply "forgot" to pay for "protection", because he was "too important". Either way, I would really prefer not to find out.
Okay, who turned their spam filter up to 11? Out with it.
(Aisle seat, please)
He deserved to be paper cut to death.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
What worries me is that with the new Piracy Czar, and talk about new digital terrorism laws, that spam will be declared terrorism. I utterly despise spam as much if not more than the next guy. But I would be extremely uncomfortable thinking that in the future, CIA hits on spammers would be painted as mafia or vigilante violence... and that because of the apparent support of this (everyone here, and myself a little, doesn't feel quite bad about this, considering how many grandmothers probably lost money to this guy, just because they wanted to e-mail little Johnny across the country), if something like that happened, and the press did find out about it, there would be little opposition.
Spy cloak and dagger may have gone digital, but the remedies of old for eliminating enemies won't only take the form of cyber-attacks. I'm not saying this is a conspiracy... unless we hear about other high tech "bad guys" coming to an early demise. The effect on privacy could cause an extreme chilling effect, and is why I hope this case gets a thorough investigation to find the murderer.
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one of the millions of people he bombarded with spam must have found him.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
I wonder how many people told him to go get a life?
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I am not sure if I am reading Slashdot, News for Nerds or Twinbarrel Shotgun, News for Psychopaths. This piece of news along with the comments are turning to be the funniest read I have had in the last month.
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Honest.
Regardless of his spam crimes on the grand scale of crime spamming is way down on the list of crimes (try child abuse, murder, rape, being pissed behind the wheel and killing someone etc) and so the comments along the lines of good he's dead etc are out of line.
The odds are this wasn't some overspammed individual taking revenge or the Russian Gov't (they tend not to worry about leaving bullet holes in their targets) but is more likely to be Russina Maffia related or some other such organized crime... but equally could have been a crack head who had broken into his apartment.
--- Users are like bacteria -> Each one causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally gives up and dies.
How about the next spammers convention in Las Vegas?
...
I'm thinking carbombs but if anyone has other ideas
Man, I feel bad that I don't feel worse. Here we have someone who's died a violent death, and we're having quite a bit of fun joking about it.
Now obviously I don't think someone who spends his time choking thousands of servers and annoying millions of people should be given a medal, but I hope nobody here honestly believes that beating him to death would really be justified.
All the same, I'm finding all these morbid jokes to be pretty amusing. Perhaps I'm just a sick bastard. Or maybe those darn violent videogames have warped my mind and I can't tell fact from fiction anymore. What's that, violence doesn't matter anymore, it's sex in games that ruins people? Guess I'm behind the times. Probably though, it's just part of the human condition: it's not in our face, we know nothing redeeming and something damning about this person, and as a result we're far enough away that we can even joke about it.
I'm sure there's a good one to be made about him coming back as a "zombie" and continuing to spam, but I'm not sure how to put it together.
Let me check my junk folder... there have come two new messages while I've been reading this discussion. One message is about a one-day business course, and another pitches a small printing house in Moscow. They are representative of the kind of advertising that dominates Russian spam right now. Worse yet, Russian spammers are probably the best in the world at their, umm, job, and these are messages that seep through my rather well tuned spam filter (SA + Bayes + RBLs). No matter what I do they keep wasting my time, on average ten to fifteen minutes every day as I estimate, including the time I have to spend every now and then to keep up with the latest anti-spam solutions.
17779 eligible voters in a district, 17779 'vote' as one. This is Russia.
The grandparent states a preference for typical Russian restaurants because of the adventure which comes from the language barrier. The parent then criticizes the grandparent for doing just the opposite.
-- $SIGNATURE
First the british showed what happens if you try to use the Metro without ticket.
Now the Russians shows what happens if you send annoying mails.
Do you see the pattern ? A new learning process has taken form. The ultimate punishment is the only way to stop crime.
get hit by a meteorite storm too.
Seriously, the cunt got what he deserved.
How could he be smoking crack? It's illegal stupid.
Do you expect me to cry? No way Dude, my question is-- what the heck are you standing around for? There's plenty more to go. Spammers you better change your evil ways!
On a more serious note, it makes me wonder about the honor among thieves. I don't approve of murder, but any professional spammer is high on the list of deserving candidates. If someone has to be murdered, I'm glad they took the spammer first. My own guess would be that anti-spam pressures were squeezing his income, and some of his "business associates" were somehow unwilling to reschedule his "loan" repayment installments.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
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...please form an orderly queue?
Do they play cricket, there, or what?
Chess. Probably a big rook.
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The in-vogue usage is North and South.
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Wait, doesn't not "not a mob hit" mean "a mob hit"? It's not like there are other hits in the space except "mob" and "not mob". P(mob) + P(not mob) = 1 and other mathematical nonsense.
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I don't know, your band didn't look very nerdy. Hmmmmm.
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Is there like a PayPal account we can donate money to in support of the killers?
There's a spam I might click on... "Donate here to see other spammers killed". If we could just have all the others wiped out and only have to deal with the one 'toughest' spammer, mabye the Internet landscape would be nicer.
Did I say all that out loud? Oops...
Why are you letting these clowns ruin our country?
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - notorious spammer Vardan Kushni was found dead in his Moscow home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
I would have settled for just blinding him.
"The mind works quicker than you think!"
this is why you keep your, *ahem*, "insurance" up to date. (Since, after all, you know the guy had to have ties to organized crime in one form or another).
Zagreus sits inside your head, Zagreus lives among the dead, Zagreus sees you in your bed and eats you in your sleep.
Think about the classic New York / New Joisey accents with phrases like "Toity-Toid Street"...
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..and send him some money?
A few years ago, a couple of Russian immigrants were found murdered in New Jersey. They were apparently spammers involved in a pump&dump stock scam. I don't think the crime was ever solved, but it was generally believed to be a Mafia deal (not sure if Russian Mafia or New York Traditional Mafia) by some investors who got burned.
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The Moscow Times presents a far better article. It's more likely related to shady business practices than his spamming practices.
h tml
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2005/07/26/003.
I'm curious about the heinlein quote, google doesn't find it. where is it from?
...we be complete raving psychos.
And what, exactly, were YOU doing last Sunday night???
"I might have made a tactical error in not going to a physician for 20 years." -- Warren Zevon
Dennis Ralsky et al?
...the death penalty has been instituted for people that wear "Big Johnson" and "Free moustache Rides" (or the more recent "SEX LESSONS: First lesson Free" updated version) t-shirts.
s'wut i sed.
What about hacking? People feel that hackers that hack into companies' computers and steal/destroy data should be dealt with harsh penalties (there was an article about the death penalty), and everyone argued about how it was too much. I think that neither one deserves to die, but I am a bit bugged by the hypocrisy. Actually, I don't think it's hypocrisy, it's probably just the different point of view. A spammer would certainly have the opposite opinions.
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Now that is what I call a Anti-Spam solutions. :)
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In Soviet Russia, they KNOW how to CAN SPAM. Gotta hand it to them ruskies. No pussy-footing around.
Ok. go on confess. which one of you slashdotters did it?
any "in russia" jokes?
Was he murdered because of his Spam or for some other reason?
Good riddence to Bad Trash.
nobody killed him. it was just a extreme case of slashdotting.... physically.
A real-life LARTing! If you happen upon a sysadmin in an un-naturally good mood, that's probably the perpetrator.
I doubt it has anything to do with being crazy. It is more to do with the money & simply not knowing what morality is. The simple fact is, THEY DON'T CARE about how much they harm the internet. They are just out there to make money. Same with telemarketers.
With this in mind: perhaps it would prove more effective if it was the morons that actually buy from these people that got brutally murdered.
I'll eat a can of spam in his honor. Consequentially, I'll then spend an hour on the shitter in his honor.
In Soviet Russia, spammer kills you!
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Why does this rate a '0' and some bullshit replies that may be clever but offer little else rate mutch better??
`Englidh as a foreign language has, for a long time, been suspected to be lethal to law abiding people of their country of origin!
I bet he had a 100$ TOEFL in all 4 sections!
This is calling for a lobotomy!
Get Engfish off the curricula!
NMI
... for such an individual would be a severe bludgeoning to death by giant penises.
I was thinking about the parallels between the war on terror and the war on spam. Since spamming has come a long we have had to introduce new email securities that were otherwise not required. They have created a culture where people are suspicious when their inbox says "169 Unread Messages" and now any email from a bank is looked at with suspicious eyes. Spammers have changed the face of the email world through their attacks.
Good, fuck him, fuck them all
For every spam that sucker has ever sent, one stab, one bullet, one blow, one spit, or whatever. Should be reduced in fermentating compost after that. Smelling turd. Good riddance. Ho, by the way, I'm already maintained at "bad karma" by someone who'd better stay unknown of me, so I don't care about being modded down, that's why I can express myself frankly. ahahah.
I for one am heartbroken over this... We were always in touch, some days I even got 2 messages from him. I don't know what my inbox will be like now...
Scott Swezey
"Good"
I'm sorry, that's just exactly how I feel about spammers. Spammers leave the world not one penny poorer for their passing.
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We will miss him dearly, especially when we file our tax returns.
What I liked most about it is how it predated all current ideas about machine worms and viruses by several years. (I'm sure some researcher at MIT thought of this stuff in the 1960s, but hey, they didn't write the book now, did they?) I often wondered if Morris read the book before writing his infamous worm. Even news of Richard Skrenta's original Apple virus didn't get published until the early 1980s.
John
Russia, Fuck Yeah!
Wow, thank you! I wonder if this is why?
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Go Murderers!
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Is Russ Key your invention? I must say I love that thing. Thanks. You are now a friend.
Patent: from Latin patere, to be open
The Warsaw Pact is no longer in effect.
Especially since several of the signatory nations no longer even exist. (Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, East Germany).
So, if the definition of "Second World" is membership in the Warsaw Pact, then there are no longer any countries that fit that definition.
Russian investigators identified about ten million suspects, including russian programmer Eugene Kaspersky.
A fair and public trial first. Then hang the twerp immediately afterwards - still in public; so that we can see that justice has been done. Garroting could be an alternative for major offenders, since this can be performed at different speeds - not only would the punishment fit the crime, but it could be modified to fit the quantity of crime committed.
How many beans make five, anyhow ?
The only problem with this idea is that if you sign up to this list you're likely to receive more bludgeoning, and the list will probably be on-sold so you'll get pummelings, beatings and poundings as well.
Blank until
Why not just outlaw killing? Solve the problem directly.
Oh, hang on.
He was just robbed, no connection to spam or mafia, as CNews Russia reports.
:))
The police says that he was dating three girls, and they opened the door to robbers. The man tried to defend himself and got killed.
They (the police) have also found some women's clothes in the apartment. His money and credit cards were stolen. One of the girls is currently arrested (well, they arrested *some* girl and suspect she has something to do with the incident).
The most ironic part is that the Center of American English reports that they'll "continue our daily operations". Don't they care for their carma? Sounds as funny as something homicide-related can be...
P.S. Very rough translation and poor English, but I'm writing this in a hurry -- I must return to work now
WYSIWIG, but what you see might not be what you need
It should rather be:
In Soviet Russia, SPAM deletes YOU!
Hopefully the only In Soviet Russia... post I'll ever do.
A World in a Grain of Sand / Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Infinity in the Palm of your Hand / And Eternity in an Hour.
Please demonstrate how the world is a better place with such people in it.
I didn't think the house band in Hell would play this badly.
In the richest Western countries, the most important criminals now come from families with centuries of criminal tradition. A long time ago their grand-grand parents started out-sourcing the less savory edges of the business and buying themselves large mansions, country club memberships and table manners lessons. So now, many generations afterwards, if you don't pay attention, what you see looking at them are ordinary run-of-the-mill lawyers, CEOs and MPs/Congresspeople. They necessarily lost much of their past eagerness, they look less greedy and more civilised - the past crimes leading to their fortunes are all but forgotten and hidden in a mist of heroic capitalist legend.
But one shouldn't be fooled by appearences - anytime their position, their money or their ambitions are somehow at stake the old blood speaks louder and the "rough" edges show - albeilt, again, safely out-sourced down the food chain.
I think it is the same in every "developing" country (I write from Brazil). The mandatory "primordial capitalist accumulation" (as Marx would put it, more or less) must be fed with oceans of blood and tears, until we get to the point where the criminals rich enough to re-write History as fairy-tale.
Ya know those AOL anti-spammer commercials really piss me off. Because what should REALLY happen to that guy bothering people is two big security guards should come out and beat the SOB within an inch of his life.
When you live beyond the reach of the law, don't be surprised if the law doesn't protect you.
Good bye and good riddens. This is a cathartic experience.
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According to the police, he acquinted three women in a night club and invited them to his flat. The women mixed in a strong dormitive medication into wine ("Clofeline", traditionally ised in such scenarios by the crime) and, when the Mr. Kushnir went asleep, opened the door to accomplices. Unfurtunately, the dose of dormitive was not sufficient. Mr. Kushnir woke up and a fight ensued, during which he was beaten to death. A laptop, money and credit cards are missing from his flat. Also an underdress were left by one of the women in hurry. This is the only version the Police is considering now.
The article also says his company exists since 2000 and has had an anuual turnaround of mere $100,000-120,000. Its spamming activity was so visible that it got under investigation by the government, but no action was made against it due to the lack of aplicable laws. To avoid being charged in Russia, the company sent all its spams via an offshore company located (guess where!!!) in the USA. It also says the quality of language education the company has offered is reported to be quite low, with a high turnover of teachers (because they stop paying salary to everyone after a couple first months of employment) and no coherent education program. It only stayed afloat because of endless spamming.
17779 eligible voters in a district, 17779 'vote' as one. This is Russia.
May this happen to all the scumbags who pollute my inbox.
So yes, an e-mail lost to the clutter of spam is equal to the lives of 358,550,772,500 Russians. Since there are only 143,420,309 raccoon-hat-wearing-fuckers, so who gives a shit about Russia? I want to read my farking e-mail, dammit >_<
Lots of us have. Some more recently then others. I first read it back in the early 90's when I found a dog eared water dammaged paperback edition.
I rank it up there with "Code of the Lifemaker" in top list.
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
Well, how old-timer is 38? I'm certainly not as much an old-timer as you are here. ;)
I just re-read Adolescence about two months ago, and then went searching in vain for anything else by the author (Thomas J. Ryan, I beleive). Sadly, nothing else.
"Ayn Rand is a bloody socialist compared to me." - Robert A. Heinlein
am i the only one who felt genuine joy from hearing this? let this be a trend that continues,
I must have remembered it wrong:
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It really was:
"Ayn Rand is a bloody socialist compared to me."
Much better.
"Ayn Rand is a bloody socialist compared to me." - Robert A. Heinlein
Sinus0idal: hmmm anti spam packages for sneaker net. Maybe slapping the postman each time he posts a spam letter. He'd soon learn to sort out the spam first..
colinrichardday: Not a good idea in the US. Interfering with mail delivery is a serious offense.
No need to attack the mailman for junk postal mail, just have a trashcan/paper recycling bin next to the maildrop. When you get your mail, drop the 'Occupant', 'To Our Friends At' - style paper mail into the trash/recycle bin.
Too bad the postman can't do that before they deliver your mail -- that'd be tampering with the mail as well.
P.S. for an added bonus, if they had a industrial strength document shredder handy, those annoying credit card solicitations could be destroyed on the spot instead of taken home and destroyed there....
My apartment complex has such a receptacle, and I use it.