There are people who support the war in Iraq and stand to profit greatly from it. Doesn't matter what it costs or how many get killed. The money's the thing. Think in those terms, and you'll see where he's coming from.
Good response! You know...I used to think my life was crap, but folks like you are starting to make me feel pretty good about myself. For that I should, and do, thank you.
Life's too short for this tired old brain to comprehend RMS. Maybe it's all those fancy, expensive words he uses.
By the time it becomes a problem to you, it might be too late to stop it.(you know...First they came after...blah blah blah) I may seem zealous about it because the war is off topic.(If you want to see zealous that would start it)
Actually, because we're talking about entertainment here, I shouldn't be so zealous. It's so damn trivial, but there are underlying problems that need to be resolved.
Oooohh...but that's the way they want it. I'm having a running argument with a guy who wants exactly that. I'll re-state here, if they want to treat it as real property (which it's NOT), then they should have to pay property tax on it like they do on real property. They like to think that copyright protects their rights, when in truth, it's gov't service to protect their monopoly. It's actually taking away rights from the public. Not a good thing...
Keep in mind, evolution of any significance would take hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years.
Our capacity to change ourselves is small. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
I couldn't possibly agree more. However, never say never. If we survive long enough, we will evolve enough, and more!:-)
Most of the worlds problems are man made. If man can make all these problems, surely we can stop. The fact that it requires a conscious effort and a whole lot of energy to make these problems should make it easy to simply stop it. I know...ain't gonna happen. na-ga-da...wouldn't be prudent.
I think that it's vital for ALL information to be shared, completely and openly. People should be compensated for perforance of said works, not for selling useless copies. I'm not the only person who thinks that way, and I've posted plenty of times on this subject(If you're a subscriber, you can check at your convenience.) Re-stating it here is just redundant, but if you insist, I can.(If I can remember what I posted.)
So far, that's because the gov't doesn't force us to buy MS stuff. If they want to, they might be able to spin it in such a way that people would accept those requirements. Think terrorists and kiddie porn.
Many companies use "piracy" to achieve market saturation. They also scapegoat it to justify their ridiculous prices. MS is the best example of this. Adobe is another. Hollywood?... well, you already know that one. Piracy is that little bird on society's back, picking off the ticks and fleas. It's weird to think that most of our progress as a society was brought to us through criminal behavior.
Apple and MS already own a piece of each other, so, in reality, there might not be as much competition as I'd like to see. We're choosing the lessor of two evils(Hmmm...Where have we heard that tired old statement before. Every four years...I think.) No matter how or where we spend our money, MS is probably making a few pennies for every dollar.
Well, because it would require maintenance over many generations, and time goes buy, stuff would get lost or forgotten. Also, eventually,the data would suffer damage along the way, especially if it had to be translated to the current language. The bible is a good example. I have no idea how well the King James version matches the original sanscrit.
Maybe our part of the world isn't dog eat dog, but, thanks to our corporate overlords (formerly religious overlords...formerly anybody with a big stick) a lot of it still is. However, in reality, I'll accept that we are not evolved enough to live in a world of "rules without rulers" yet. Unfortunately, "might makes right" is still the rule of the day. Just ask anyone who says "no thanks" when America offers its "help". The technology I would like to see would be something that could protect an individual from any other individual or group.
Please remember, Best does not always equal good. When I was a mechanic, working the night shift, out on the tarmac for eight hours, in the rain, up 65 feet in the air to change a position light on the top of the vertical fin of a 747, I used to think that anybody who worked indoors had NO right to complain about their jobs. It actually took me eight years of nice cushy work in the editing room and master control to realize how wrong I was. Possibly bad analogy, but my point is that ANY DRM, no matter how weak, is not good. It may seem acceptable now, but down the road there will be trouble. It's the old slippery slope routine. It starts out voluntary, but becomes mandatory later. Please don't support it. If you need music that badly, buy from independants, or whistle, or sing. Don't buy DRM. It virtually killed the minidisk for all practical purposes, and did the same to DAT. It will make your computer useless for anything but a purchasing appliance from BIGCO.
It would be very bad if we constantly had to re-archive everything because the medium or the tech won't last or becomes obsolete where, even if the disk doesn't rot, you won't find a machine that can read it. It should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about plastics that this would happen. The plastic will eventually craze, or the unprotected(!) aluminum will corrode. The only kind of CD that possibly could last for a long time would have to be made of glass and gold. Then there's still the question about the player. The only medium that still has lasting power is stone, paper, (scissors?)...no, and good old vinyl. Plus, you don't need any fancy tech to use it. Hell, you don't even need electricity. So, even if we were to be bombed back into the stone age, I could still wrap a paper cone around a straight pin and listen to my old Led Zeppelin records. Pottery wheels make good turntables.:-)
At the time, I thought I could be reasonably safe. I never heard of anyone getting infected so quickly. Live n learn. I did notice that if I didn't use their install disk, there was no problem. The install required a connection to complete, and it was connected for about 5 minutes.
My point is that without some regulation, that is what will happen.
That's what's happening now. Without regulation, there would be nobody to protect them either. A true free for all that only technological solutions could fix. As someone who still works with pen and paper for important stuff (my built-in calculator still works), it would be fun to watch.
Firewall was on.(the only change I made before I hooked up as a matter of fact.) I had to use XP's until I could download a better one. It could have been the DSL install disk. That would've been weird. The fact that the service went down for three days was a pretty good hint. Right now, they're having trouble with their DNS server. It won't resolve until I "hammer" on it a few times. The whole town is having the same problem with them. They're the only game in town, so we're stuck.
Bring on Versign to take over the web! Unregulated corporate dominance rocks! I want to give up my rights to RIAA! I think the web will solve all the problems of the world.
Welcome to the wonderful whacky world(www) of slashdot moderation. The millions of trained chimps are taking a break from their shakespeare project, and somebody gave them their mod points to use up.
Humans, being what they are, would ruin it, just like in "Lord of the Flies". It won't work, given our current state of evolution. Every new group would eventually become as bad as the first. In Star Trek terms, we are not the Federation. We are still Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Borg, etc. Besides, the RIAA would just shoot the thing down, literally.
I find your attempts to change the subject and to insert totally irrelevent statements and questions kind of funny, but not surprising. I noticed that in your argument with others in a recent thread. It just proves your dependence on the current system precludes you from making any logical statement that could possibly defend the status quo. Maybe because there aren't any. IP is about information CONTROL, nothing else. It's meant to control who can posess and distribute, and it's robbing the public in general. It falls neatly in the way all resources are controled by a select few. In fact it provides the bedrock of control of those resources. It would be more honest to simply provide an official gov't list of who is allowed to posess and distribute information. In our system, it is vitally important to keep the public in the dark(or ignorant) in order to control it. IP is perfect for this and is working rather well. Now we have the internet, and suddenly the public is able to posess and distribute WITHOUT the middleman, and every gov't and major corporation is trying to stop it. Luckly for the rest of the world, they won't be able to. As for slashdot readers, if you bothered to read a little closer, you would find a growing number of people that agree with me. Some understand that creators don't deserve special treatment and should be paid for their work(or more appropriately their time performing the work) and not useless copies. I would love it if I could fix a guy's car and then get a royalty payment for every mile he drives afterword for the next 75 years, but it doesn't work that way, does it? Why should your work be any different?
...why is there so much opposition in Britain to the EU? From an outsider's perspective, it sounds like a great way for Europeans to finally attain the sort of economic and military power that the US has.
Britain is too closly aligned with the US. More so than with Europe. There's a big case of "wag the dog" here. It may look like the US gives the orders when just the opposite is true. The US is doing the dirty work of helping Britain maintain its empire in the middle east(at the present) and asia(oops, that was a French thing). Afganistan? Think opium(big money for the brits a while ago. could still be) If South Africa had being a Soviet "client state" during aparthied, we would never have called Mandela a terrorist.
Same here. Brand new, out of the box XP machines. I installed the DSL software and BAM, ten minutes in, Blaster virus got me. At first I nuked the disk and tried again. Same thing. This is when I realized that the ISP was infected! They didn't realize it for over a week. Telling tech "support" was no help. They simply didn't believe it. Well, a few days later the whole ISP went down for three days! After that, I realized that I didn't need their software to run the modem. I just used the windows drivers.
Meanwhile, back to IRC's. If it's as wild as they say it is, GOOD! Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that can bring us one step closer to anonymous, untracable internet usage is great. I like anything that might possibly force us to RESOLVE our problems, instead of making stupid work arounds and unenforcable laws.
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There are people who support the war in Iraq and stand to profit greatly from it. Doesn't matter what it costs or how many get killed. The money's the thing. Think in those terms, and you'll see where he's coming from.
Good response! You know...I used to think my life was crap, but folks like you are starting to make me feel pretty good about myself. For that I should, and do, thank you.
Life's too short for this tired old brain to comprehend RMS. Maybe it's all those fancy, expensive words he uses.
By the time it becomes a problem to you, it might be too late to stop it.(you know...First they came after...blah blah blah) I may seem zealous about it because the war is off topic.(If you want to see zealous that would start it)
Actually, because we're talking about entertainment here, I shouldn't be so zealous. It's so damn trivial, but there are underlying problems that need to be resolved.
How many albums do you think you'll need to bach up that 160gig hard drive? :-)
You can't have it both ways.
Oooohh...but that's the way they want it. I'm having a running argument with a guy who wants exactly that. I'll re-state here, if they want to treat it as real property (which it's NOT), then they should have to pay property tax on it like they do on real property. They like to think that copyright protects their rights, when in truth, it's gov't service to protect their monopoly. It's actually taking away rights from the public. Not a good thing...
Keep in mind, evolution of any significance would take hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years.
:-)
Our capacity to change ourselves is small. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
I couldn't possibly agree more. However, never say never. If we survive long enough, we will evolve enough, and more!
Most of the worlds problems are man made. If man can make all these problems, surely we can stop. The fact that it requires a conscious effort and a whole lot of energy to make these problems should make it easy to simply stop it. I know...ain't gonna happen. na-ga-da...wouldn't be prudent.
I think that it's vital for ALL information to be shared, completely and openly. People should be compensated for perforance of said works, not for selling useless copies. I'm not the only person who thinks that way, and I've posted plenty of times on this subject(If you're a subscriber, you can check at your convenience.) Re-stating it here is just redundant, but if you insist, I can.(If I can remember what I posted.)
So far, that's because the gov't doesn't force us to buy MS stuff. If they want to, they might be able to spin it in such a way that people would accept those requirements. Think terrorists and kiddie porn.
Many companies use "piracy" to achieve market saturation. They also scapegoat it to justify their ridiculous prices. MS is the best example of this. Adobe is another. Hollywood?... well, you already know that one. Piracy is that little bird on society's back, picking off the ticks and fleas. It's weird to think that most of our progress as a society was brought to us through criminal behavior.
Apple and MS already own a piece of each other, so, in reality, there might not be as much competition as I'd like to see. We're choosing the lessor of two evils(Hmmm...Where have we heard that tired old statement before. Every four years...I think.) No matter how or where we spend our money, MS is probably making a few pennies for every dollar.
Well, because it would require maintenance over many generations, and time goes buy, stuff would get lost or forgotten. Also, eventually,the data would suffer damage along the way, especially if it had to be translated to the current language. The bible is a good example. I have no idea how well the King James version matches the original sanscrit.
Maybe our part of the world isn't dog eat dog, but, thanks to our corporate overlords (formerly religious overlords...formerly anybody with a big stick) a lot of it still is. However, in reality, I'll accept that we are not evolved enough to live in a world of "rules without rulers" yet. Unfortunately, "might makes right" is still the rule of the day. Just ask anyone who says "no thanks" when America offers its "help". The technology I would like to see would be something that could protect an individual from any other individual or group.
I think that's the copyright date, not manufacture.
They last a little longer on a Dremel
Please remember, Best does not always equal good. When I was a mechanic, working the night shift, out on the tarmac for eight hours, in the rain, up 65 feet in the air to change a position light on the top of the vertical fin of a 747, I used to think that anybody who worked indoors had NO right to complain about their jobs. It actually took me eight years of nice cushy work in the editing room and master control to realize how wrong I was. Possibly bad analogy, but my point is that ANY DRM, no matter how weak, is not good. It may seem acceptable now, but down the road there will be trouble. It's the old slippery slope routine. It starts out voluntary, but becomes mandatory later. Please don't support it. If you need music that badly, buy from independants, or whistle, or sing. Don't buy DRM. It virtually killed the minidisk for all practical purposes, and did the same to DAT. It will make your computer useless for anything but a purchasing appliance from BIGCO.
It would be very bad if we constantly had to re-archive everything because the medium or the tech won't last or becomes obsolete where, even if the disk doesn't rot, you won't find a machine that can read it. It should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about plastics that this would happen. The plastic will eventually craze, or the unprotected(!) aluminum will corrode. The only kind of CD that possibly could last for a long time would have to be made of glass and gold. Then there's still the question about the player. The only medium that still has lasting power is stone, paper, (scissors?)...no, and good old vinyl. Plus, you don't need any fancy tech to use it. Hell, you don't even need electricity. So, even if we were to be bombed back into the stone age, I could still wrap a paper cone around a straight pin and listen to my old Led Zeppelin records. Pottery wheels make good turntables. :-)
At the time, I thought I could be reasonably safe. I never heard of anyone getting infected so quickly. Live n learn. I did notice that if I didn't use their install disk, there was no problem. The install required a connection to complete, and it was connected for about 5 minutes.
My point is that without some regulation, that is what will happen.
That's what's happening now. Without regulation, there would be nobody to protect them either. A true free for all that only technological solutions could fix. As someone who still works with pen and paper for important stuff (my built-in calculator still works), it would be fun to watch.
Firewall was on.(the only change I made before I hooked up as a matter of fact.) I had to use XP's until I could download a better one. It could have been the DSL install disk. That would've been weird. The fact that the service went down for three days was a pretty good hint. Right now, they're having trouble with their DNS server. It won't resolve until I "hammer" on it a few times. The whole town is having the same problem with them. They're the only game in town, so we're stuck.
Bring on Versign to take over the web! Unregulated corporate dominance rocks! I want to give up my rights to RIAA! I think the web will solve all the problems of the world.
Huh???
Welcome to the wonderful whacky world(www) of slashdot moderation. The millions of trained chimps are taking a break from their shakespeare project, and somebody gave them their mod points to use up.
Humans, being what they are, would ruin it, just like in "Lord of the Flies". It won't work, given our current state of evolution. Every new group would eventually become as bad as the first. In Star Trek terms, we are not the Federation. We are still Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Borg, etc. Besides, the RIAA would just shoot the thing down, literally.
I find your attempts to change the subject and to insert totally irrelevent statements and questions kind of funny, but not surprising. I noticed that in your argument with others in a recent thread. It just proves your dependence on the current system precludes you from making any logical statement that could possibly defend the status quo. Maybe because there aren't any. IP is about information CONTROL, nothing else. It's meant to control who can posess and distribute, and it's robbing the public in general. It falls neatly in the way all resources are controled by a select few. In fact it provides the bedrock of control of those resources. It would be more honest to simply provide an official gov't list of who is allowed to posess and distribute information. In our system, it is vitally important to keep the public in the dark(or ignorant) in order to control it. IP is perfect for this and is working rather well. Now we have the internet, and suddenly the public is able to posess and distribute WITHOUT the middleman, and every gov't and major corporation is trying to stop it. Luckly for the rest of the world, they won't be able to. As for slashdot readers, if you bothered to read a little closer, you would find a growing number of people that agree with me. Some understand that creators don't deserve special treatment and should be paid for their work(or more appropriately their time performing the work) and not useless copies. I would love it if I could fix a guy's car and then get a royalty payment for every mile he drives afterword for the next 75 years, but it doesn't work that way, does it? Why should your work be any different?
In a democracy the people regularly throw out the incumbents.
Now I'm sure America is not a democracy. Incumbency is what...90%-95%?
We probably should call it the Roman Catholic Emipre :-)
Love the sig.
...why is there so much opposition in Britain to the EU? From an outsider's perspective, it sounds like a great way for Europeans to finally attain the sort of economic and military power that the US has.
Britain is too closly aligned with the US. More so than with Europe. There's a big case of "wag the dog" here. It may look like the US gives the orders when just the opposite is true. The US is doing the dirty work of helping Britain maintain its empire in the middle east(at the present) and asia(oops, that was a French thing). Afganistan? Think opium(big money for the brits a while ago. could still be) If South Africa had being a Soviet "client state" during aparthied, we would never have called Mandela a terrorist.
You have no excuse to steal Windows.
Nobody "stole" Windows(unless they lifted the actual disk). They're just using a copy.
It's all too common for people to think they deserve to be given what someone else worked to create.
Tell it to the RIAA
"Funny"? I'm beginning to think the mods are using that new "fuzzy logic" thing people are always talking about these days.
Same here. Brand new, out of the box XP machines. I installed the DSL software and BAM, ten minutes in, Blaster virus got me. At first I nuked the disk and tried again. Same thing. This is when I realized that the ISP was infected! They didn't realize it for over a week. Telling tech "support" was no help. They simply didn't believe it. Well, a few days later the whole ISP went down for three days! After that, I realized that I didn't need their software to run the modem. I just used the windows drivers.
Meanwhile, back to IRC's. If it's as wild as they say it is, GOOD! Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that can bring us one step closer to anonymous, untracable internet usage is great. I like anything that might possibly force us to RESOLVE our problems, instead of making stupid work arounds and unenforcable laws.