I got back from seeing it last night... It was incredibly beautiful. The 3+ hours you spend in the theater won't be noticed... the movie is very engrossing and things like time will seem mundane.
I was very fortunate to see a Matinee of it - less than 40 people in the entire theater. When I got out, there was a very long lineup of ticketholders for the evening showing.
I know I'll likely see it as many times as possible while it's in the theaters. In the meantime, I have the EEs of FOTR and TTT.
"LOL, I can just picture it. No chance of communication."
In the 80s there was a movie called "See no evil, Hear no evil". It stars Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor (to show how 80s it is). It's a comedy about two guys solving a crime they witnessed. Richard is blind, and Gene is deaf. Gene can lip-read so they were able to communicate.
Out of curiosity, how did you leave the school? Graduate early? Transfer to another school?
Speaking for myself, as someone who had to endure the same garbage throughout most of my school life, I simply dropped out when I realized, after research of my own, that I was no longer legally required to attend (I was over the age of 16 and wished like hell they'd told me this before I turned 16). I upgraded later on in adult education, a totally different culture.
I know friends of mine who taught adult upgrading
and can tell from experience exactly why it is they prefer that over teaching in school!
So true. There is so much children are allowed to do to each other that when they get older they'd be criminally prosecuted for. No, I am not talking about saying someone's shoes look funny. But ambushing someone outside the school, forcing their pants down, getting everyone to point and laugh, these are all (sexual) assult crimes as adults! A child at school has to either learn to "fight back" or learn to "get along" or "ignore" it. If someone were to do that outside my place of employment do you think people would just tell me to "deal with it" without looking absolutely stupid? It would be an absolute embarrassment to admit that you let someone get away with that in an adult setting. Yet, as a child, you just have to shrug your shoulders, say "oh well life sucks" and happily carry on in the same environment the next day with your abusers AND learn the material you're sent to school to learn?
I am so glad to be an adult, and I now see why children are often in a great hurry to grow up:)
I still remember afresh how I felt so unfairly treated as a teenager with my parents' "strict rules", about how to conduct myself, and what types of things were appropriate to engage in. Now that I am an adult myself, I realize it is actually "guidance".
Yes, I reached for the forbidden fruit when I could, and I discovered it wasn't all that special. It opened my eyes that there was a method to my parents' madness. And being on my own now for nearly 20 years, I am still alive, and not scarred by any of the restrictions that were placed on me. I didn't miss out on childhood and teenage fun. And what I thought "everyone else was doing", I later found out that "everyone else" really wasn't. Many of the friends I have in the here and now had similar restrictions growing up.
Also, parents are indeed human beings and may not be able to see when their children are ready for certain things or possess the coping mechanisms to deal with things of a more adult nature IN an adult fashion. Not everything my parents did was truly right, but their heart was in the right place.
People do indeed make mistakes in parenting, but I don't see that restricting porn or what have you to be a tragic fatal parenting mistake, especially since all kids, myself [as a child] included do eventually get together with other kids over a contraband porn mag and have their giggles anyway.
"And you can stand up to a bully who's threatening you physically and get him to leave you alone (at least, it worked that way for me when I was in 7th grade). How do you stop anonymous rumors and character assassination?"
Standing up to a bully was not always a guarantee that it would stop though, especially if said bully was part of a popular crowd and you didn't happen to be popular.
Also, standing up at the wrong place and wrong time got me in more trouble and made me less likely to be believed when people seriously hurt me. Having someone witness you in the act of defending yourself, without that person knowing your history of the person you are pounding on (having previously abused you for years) can get you the reputation of someone who "does it themselves, therefore they deserve what they get".
Thus, they make their chances of having anyone be on their side slim to none.
We also homeschool our children. And I commend you on your post. I don't think "sheltering" needs to be the bad word it has grown to be. There is a tremendous difference between the daddy fish in "Finding Nemo", and sensible protection of our children. It is a parent's responsibility to ensure proper care and health of children. That includes raising them in a healthy atmosphere.
The advantage is they learn more about how to conduct themselves in the real world than they did in school. They interact with people of all ages every day and it's not limited to just people who share the same birth year. Just the same as would be expected after they graduate, or in the summer holidays.
The "but what about socialization" issue is slowly becoming obsolete. Humans are social creatures, even the more introverted do seek out people to interact with from time to time. And I often remember being told by my teacher, sternly, "Do your socialization after school hours and not in my classroom!"
Broken bones heal within weeks. Terror and isolation can cause lifelong damage.
Please don't underestimate the damage of physical abuse. It may be a whole other kind of abuse, but it is accompanied by emotional damage as well. In fact, it takes emotional damage to the next level, because it is based on emotional abuse.
Putting abuse in little boxes and categorizing it is pointless. If it is damaging, it is damaging, period. It interferes with healthy, natural growth either way.
If I were to make my home atmosphere equivalent to that of some of the garbage I had to deal with in a school atmosphere, you'd better believe social services would be at my door in a snap with foster parents waiting to take my children under their wing.
I've actually had both happen to me. As an adult raising children, I still struggle with confidence issues, although the passage of time allows it to be less and less. For a child, the struggle can seem overwhelming. At times, the insults and threats that are drip fed to the child on a daily basis can acquire the appearance of being true, because the numbers and the constancy of it last for a seemingly long time.
It takes a great deal of strength to come out of that atmosphere with a full emotional deck, but it is possible.
Teasing is one thing, and "it happens to all of us", but going out of one's way to make another person's life a living hell is another. The odd verbal jab here and there is something we all have to learn to deal with. Conflict is a part of life, but as a child, it should not escalate to the point where it gets in the way of one's life.
It's raising children with a false dichotomy to pat children on the back and say "ooh that is just a part of life" when they bully others as children, and yet toss them in jail or get them fired for the same conduct as an adult.
Try pulling that crap at work as an adult and see how long one remains an employee.
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I got back from seeing it last night... It was incredibly beautiful. The 3+ hours you spend in the theater won't be noticed... the movie is very engrossing and things like time will seem mundane.
I was very fortunate to see a Matinee of it - less than 40 people in the entire theater. When I got out, there was a very long lineup of ticketholders for the evening showing.
I know I'll likely see it as many times as possible while it's in the theaters. In the meantime, I have the EEs of FOTR and TTT.
In the 80s there was a movie called "See no evil, Hear no evil". It stars Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor (to show how 80s it is). It's a comedy about two guys solving a crime they witnessed. Richard is blind, and Gene is deaf. Gene can lip-read so they were able to communicate.
Speaking for myself, as someone who had to endure the same garbage throughout most of my school life, I simply dropped out when I realized, after research of my own, that I was no longer legally required to attend (I was over the age of 16 and wished like hell they'd told me this before I turned 16). I upgraded later on in adult education, a totally different culture.
I know friends of mine who taught adult upgrading and can tell from experience exactly why it is they prefer that over teaching in school!
So true. There is so much children are allowed to do to each other that when they get older they'd be criminally prosecuted for. No, I am not talking about saying someone's shoes look funny. But ambushing someone outside the school, forcing their pants down, getting everyone to point and laugh, these are all (sexual) assult crimes as adults! A child at school has to either learn to "fight back" or learn to "get along" or "ignore" it. If someone were to do that outside my place of employment do you think people would just tell me to "deal with it" without looking absolutely stupid? It would be an absolute embarrassment to admit that you let someone get away with that in an adult setting. Yet, as a child, you just have to shrug your shoulders, say "oh well life sucks" and happily carry on in the same environment the next day with your abusers AND learn the material you're sent to school to learn?
:)
I am so glad to be an adult, and I now see why children are often in a great hurry to grow up
Yes, I reached for the forbidden fruit when I could, and I discovered it wasn't all that special. It opened my eyes that there was a method to my parents' madness. And being on my own now for nearly 20 years, I am still alive, and not scarred by any of the restrictions that were placed on me. I didn't miss out on childhood and teenage fun. And what I thought "everyone else was doing", I later found out that "everyone else" really wasn't. Many of the friends I have in the here and now had similar restrictions growing up.
Also, parents are indeed human beings and may not be able to see when their children are ready for certain things or possess the coping mechanisms to deal with things of a more adult nature IN an adult fashion. Not everything my parents did was truly right, but their heart was in the right place.
People do indeed make mistakes in parenting, but I don't see that restricting porn or what have you to be a tragic fatal parenting mistake, especially since all kids, myself [as a child] included do eventually get together with other kids over a contraband porn mag and have their giggles anyway.
Standing up to a bully was not always a guarantee that it would stop though, especially if said bully was part of a popular crowd and you didn't happen to be popular.
Also, standing up at the wrong place and wrong time got me in more trouble and made me less likely to be believed when people seriously hurt me. Having someone witness you in the act of defending yourself, without that person knowing your history of the person you are pounding on (having previously abused you for years) can get you the reputation of someone who "does it themselves, therefore they deserve what they get". Thus, they make their chances of having anyone be on their side slim to none.
The advantage is they learn more about how to conduct themselves in the real world than they did in school. They interact with people of all ages every day and it's not limited to just people who share the same birth year. Just the same as would be expected after they graduate, or in the summer holidays.
The "but what about socialization" issue is slowly becoming obsolete. Humans are social creatures, even the more introverted do seek out people to interact with from time to time. And I often remember being told by my teacher, sternly, "Do your socialization after school hours and not in my classroom!"
Please don't underestimate the damage of physical abuse. It may be a whole other kind of abuse, but it is accompanied by emotional damage as well. In fact, it takes emotional damage to the next level, because it is based on emotional abuse.
Putting abuse in little boxes and categorizing it is pointless. If it is damaging, it is damaging, period. It interferes with healthy, natural growth either way.
If I were to make my home atmosphere equivalent to that of some of the garbage I had to deal with in a school atmosphere, you'd better believe social services would be at my door in a snap with foster parents waiting to take my children under their wing.
It takes a great deal of strength to come out of that atmosphere with a full emotional deck, but it is possible.
It's raising children with a false dichotomy to pat children on the back and say "ooh that is just a part of life" when they bully others as children, and yet toss them in jail or get them fired for the same conduct as an adult.
Try pulling that crap at work as an adult and see how long one remains an employee.