"organic" stuff attracts hippies, hippies smoke pot, pot is dealt by drug-dealers, or grown organically on the garlic-farm, exponentially reinforcing the vicious cycle of bong-headedness and drug-war through the positive feedback mechanism as pot attracts both hippies and drug-dealers.
That is not proof! Organic also attracts big business, but according to you that's proof. Walmart sells organics so it must be evil.
The United States is evil too. After all it allowed slavery, it massacred the native population, and it performed medical experiments on unsuspecting citizens infecting them with syphilis. It was also the only nation to use nuclear weapons. Evil, pure evil.
Well there are dangers involved with micro-organisms in the composts and manures used to fertilize organic fields; real country-folks usually have well developed immune systems and have no problems but city-slickers especially those with compromised immune systems can get life threatening infections.
Since so called conventional farming causes the samething I don't consider that a valid argument. I doubt the breakout was localized to rural communities when Taco Bell had contaminated food.
USA Today online also had a piece (read it on my iphone) on it and every paper from al jazeera to the guardian have it on their pages today (google "italian mafia waste")
I read the printed article years ago and when I googled for it I didn't find it online.
Err... we have human-sized microwaves... or at least the US army does. See here
Yea I heard about those years ago. The way they work against protesters is as the wiki article says by pain. It inflicts pain which makes those exposed to want to flee. Continuous exposure certainly can cause health problems if not death though. In other words they are dangerous and lethal. Imagine what would happen to a baby who was taken to a protest then when these are deployed against the protesters the baby gets left behind, perhaps by a parent wanting to get away from the cause of pain, to be roasted.
Of course there's also bacteria and other scary things in milk that make it go bad fast, which is why we pasteurize it.
What's truly scary is that some will deny others the ability to make their own decisions. Plenty of people like raw or unpasteurized milk yet some places made it illegal. If anyone is harmed it is the user yet they aren't allowed to decide what risks they will take.
No, the question is is food crops grown with care and the processing of food done in hygienic conditions. That E Coli? The apples were not washed well enough, or were allowed to be contaminated afterwards. I garden and I always wash what I pick, with clean hands. Some things I'll also soak in a solution of water, castile soap, fruit and vegetable wash, and or hydrogen peroxide. I've shared some with a neighbor and even after washing the produce myself I tell them to wash what I gave them before they use it.
You can't irradiate something with a microwave tower. This guy's a nutter.
But you can alter something by microwaving it. If it were impossible then microwave ovens would not exist. This farmer may or may not be nuts but you are ignorant.
Just taking the wacky green agenda to its extreme boundary. If anything vegatables and milk should be intentionally irradated as is commonly done in Europe to: A > Reduce food borne illness B > Save enormous amounts of money on chilling food at the grocery store Planet saved and less medical costs, illnesses, don't tell Washington DC they are now expendable !
How nice of you to dictate what others can and can not eat and drink.
I think this guy should be required to willingly give up all of his radio and TV receivers and any radio transmitters he might have.
Why? If he does have radio and or tv, TFA does not say whether he does or not, they may not be near his fields. There may also be obstructions.
You shouldn't get to ban everyone else from using a multi-century old proven safe technology, while at the same time taking advantage of that technology yourself.
The technology has also been proven dangerous, why do you think microwave ovens have switches built in to turn the oven off when the door is opened? Would you step in a human scaled one and let someone turn it on?
Ump, did you read that article in, I think it was, "Time" magazine or "Newsweek" about the Mafia selling farmers fertilizer that was really hazardous waste in Italy?
>>>I want to get hours if not days away from buildings and wiring.
Even along the Alaska Highway, which is pretty desolate, you're never more than a half-an-hour's drive away from humans and their buildings. And you mentioned the Appalachian Trail - well almost the entire length of that trail is only a short drive from the nearest interstate (I-81) or state highway.
True* but there are in other parts of the world. Even as a teenager, a lifetime ago, I wanted to take a trek through the Himalayas. Now I'd like to trek through the Andes and Siberia as well. Right now I'm hoping I can go to Brazil as part of a study abroad program in college, and while there I want to go into the Amazon and hike the Andes.
*Oh and I just mentioned the Appalachian Trail because people still hike it. And as another poster said above there are places out west, I think parts of Montana was specifically mentioned, without even cell phone access.
all you have thrown away are a bunch of heaps of scrap metal, which won't be rare on Earth...ever
Mining for coltan, used in electronics to make things like capacitors, is one of the causes of the conflict in the Congo. You probably heard about the fighting, deaths, and genocide in the Sudan, but not many have heard about the fighting next door in the Congo, yes they share a common border. Now though I searched I didn't find out if the Space Shuttles and other rockets used coltan but it would surprise me if they didn't.
This is why the costs for the Space Shuttle have ballooned to the size they are today. It costs more to repair each time than it does to replace with a disposable rocket, and the reusable rocket is heavier, thus requiring more fuel.
It costs more to repair than replace a rocket? Think of that, replacing tires, tiles, and other things costs more than new disposable rockets.
On the other hand I agree with you that making things reusable probably adds to the weight and thus increases the fuel needed for launches. I also agree your idea of using a space elevator may be a better idea. Others have suggested other ideas as well, I'd like a science panel perhaps of the American Association for the Advancement of Science investigating the practical application of various proposals for NASA as well as allowing private entities to run tests.
Just because you take 8000 pictures, doesn't mean you need to upload 8000 pictures, or that anyone really cares about 95% of them (if that isn't the point then why upload them?)
Even if it's only one photograph that's uploaded it still needs connectivity as well as a way to upload the photos. I suppose a digital camera and cellphone both with Bluetooth could be used to upload individual photos, if there is cellphone access. However the practical speed of Bluetooth 2.0 is 2 megabits per second whereas the cheaper camera I'd like to get has a 21.1 Megapixel sensor and can generate files 60MB. At 2mbs it could take a while to upload a photo. Bluetooth 3 may offer faster speeds however it was only approved in April 2009 so there aren't many products with it, then the cellphone and service has to support the same speeds and I haven't heard of one. Verison's and ATT's wireless offerings are faster but they require the card to be plugged into a laptop. Once plugged in will there be connectivity though?
I also am a technophile and photo buff (not very good, but I try), but also don't mind the lack of connectivity, I actually find it somewhat refreshing. I am also sure that most of my friends like it as well, since it gives me time to select only the pictures that I like.
There may be tymes I would find the lack of connectivity refreshing but I want to be able to decide when that is and as long as connectivity is available and the equipment that allows it can be turned off I can have it. I do that now, it's not often but I occasionally turn off my cellphone, such as when I go to the movie theatre.
Only if other's would do the same, if they have to have the phone on then turn the ringer off and use the vibrator then when a call comes in leave the audience to answer the phone. As you can probably tell that pisses me off. Which is why I turn mine off.
If you can't upload or transfer photos what do you do when your cards are full?
I'm not insulting your preferences, I'm just questioning the universality of them. Pictures (and blogs, surprisingly enough) benefit then most from not being able to harbor your "post it" influences.
As a professional photographer, I'm not now but I want to start a photography business, I'd like to be able to upload photos while out in the field. Just because I upload them doesn't mean I'll use or even keep them, however by uploading to my server when I get into the studio I can weed out those to be deleted from the keepers. It reminds me of a saying I like, "the only stupid question is the question that goes unasked."
On the last trip I was on it was kind of a novelty to be able to grab my e-mail when we paddled to an inshore island, and the phone is small enough to actually take along. I'm not going to take a notebook on anything more adventurous than a cushy weekend car camping trip.
And I think you misunderstood my point. I used to carry backpacks weighing about 100lbs and hike all day long. As a college student I rode my bike 8.6 miles to campus, and other places, carrying a backpack weighing 50 or more pounds. Back then weeks I didn't ride at least 100 miles was more unusual than weeks I rode 200 or more miles. And that was in addition to other physical activities such as practicing martial arts, running, and swimming and diving.
It's nice to have something little like a phone so every few days, if you happen to find a sniff of cell service, you can grab your e-mail. There's definitely no wireless. If you need the whole notebook/video conferencing thing and pretty much constantly connectivity then you're going to be severely limited in where you can go.
It's also nice being able to document trips and being able to upload those docs once in a while. Constant connectivity isn't needed but connecting once or twice a day to upload photographs or a hiker's blog update would be terrific.
Because amateur radio bands are narrow and would be quickly swamped by commercial traffic. If you want to piss somebody off by using their frequencies I suggest you co-opt analog TV channels.
Ah, there's the riddle, er problem. Originally the airwaves, with court approval, were homesteaded. In any given area people could set up transmitters and broadcast on an unused frequency. In short courts were assigning homesteader's rights to those who first broadcast on a frequency. If someone else came along and started broadcasting which interfered with the first broadcaster then they could be forced to stop the interference. Big companies came along and didn't like the competition and so were successful in lobbying the government to require broadcasters to be licensed.
So radio frequencies were taken away from homesteading broadcasters and given to large businesses.
Final thing is if you're running a web-based business and can afford an RV and 3G phones and stuff, perhaps you can afford some employees to run the business for you while you go on an actual vacation.
As another post said above I'd rather be able to take off for a week once a month but still be in contact than take a 2 week vacation. And in my case I would combine the two, I love photography as well as hiking. With broadband wireless I could upload my photographs while out in the field. Here are some hiking blogs. I bet at least some of them would like to be able to blog while hiking.
I haven't been in the Boundary Waters area except driving up the North Shore between Duluth and Thunder Bay.
If you want something moderately challenging then leave at home all your electronics and canoe/portage 50 miles into the Boundary Waters Canoe Area [wikipedia.org] for an intrepid vacation. Trust me, to see land so pristine was a near religious experience and I definitely went back.
You may not but I would want my electronics with me, as well as broadband wireless access. I'd want to photograph and write about it.
Go white water rafting or mountain hiking or get dive certified.
One of the certs I want to get, to get my master cert, is photography. Years ago a friend used to dive and chart caves, and I thought of making that another cert. Combine the two, cave diving and photography, and having broadband wireless would be terrific.
as a fall back plan. It costs $25/year. You can get 2 hours of wifi at any starbucks with it per day. (I don't work for Starbucks and I don't own any of their stock).
I was thinking of "risk" strictly in terms of odds of dying by participating in that enterprise.
You didn't make that clear and since I was commenting on financial risks without indications you meant something else it's pretty rational to assume that that's what you meant too. That is why corporations were granted charters.
If I were to get on a ship from England to the East Indies in 1600, is the probability of me dying higher or lower than if I were to get on a modern rocket to space?
I have no idea about the personal or financial risks of then compared to today.
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Microwaves don't alter DNA? You'd better tell a number of scientists and other researchers you know more than they do.
Quite frankly, if I was his neighbor, I'd sue the moron.
So if I lived next to you would it be alright if I opened a toxic waste dump next to you? Or would I have to sue you?
Falcon
"organic" stuff attracts hippies, hippies smoke pot, pot is dealt by drug-dealers, or grown organically on the garlic-farm, exponentially reinforcing the vicious cycle of bong-headedness and drug-war through the positive feedback mechanism as pot attracts both hippies and drug-dealers.
That is not proof! Organic also attracts big business, but according to you that's proof. Walmart sells organics so it must be evil.
The United States is evil too. After all it allowed slavery, it massacred the native population, and it performed medical experiments on unsuspecting citizens infecting them with syphilis. It was also the only nation to use nuclear weapons. Evil, pure evil.
Falcon
Well there are dangers involved with micro-organisms in the composts and manures used to fertilize organic fields; real country-folks usually have well developed immune systems and have no problems but city-slickers especially those with compromised immune systems can get life threatening infections.
Since so called conventional farming causes the same thing I don't consider that a valid argument. I doubt the breakout was localized to rural communities when Taco Bell had contaminated food.
In fact, organic gardening is idiotic and dangerous to begin with.
Why is, and prove that, organic gardening is idiotic. I bet this is nothing more than FUD.
Falcon
USA Today online also had a piece (read it on my iphone) on it and every paper from al jazeera to the guardian have it on their pages today (google "italian mafia waste")
I read the printed article years ago and when I googled for it I didn't find it online.
Not that that was the first or last tyme.
Falcon
Err... we have human-sized microwaves... or at least the US army does.
See here
Yea I heard about those years ago. The way they work against protesters is as the wiki article says by pain. It inflicts pain which makes those exposed to want to flee. Continuous exposure certainly can cause health problems if not death though. In other words they are dangerous and lethal. Imagine what would happen to a baby who was taken to a protest then when these are deployed against the protesters the baby gets left behind, perhaps by a parent wanting to get away from the cause of pain, to be roasted.
Falcon
Of course there's also bacteria and other scary things in milk that make it go bad fast, which is why we pasteurize it.
What's truly scary is that some will deny others the ability to make their own decisions. Plenty of people like raw or unpasteurized milk yet some places made it illegal. If anyone is harmed it is the user yet they aren't allowed to decide what risks they will take.
Falcon
The question is, does the irradiation have a less deleterious effect than, say, E.Coli being in your juice?
No, the question is is food crops grown with care and the processing of food done in hygienic conditions. That E Coli? The apples were not washed well enough, or were allowed to be contaminated afterwards. I garden and I always wash what I pick, with clean hands. Some things I'll also soak in a solution of water, castile soap, fruit and vegetable wash, and or hydrogen peroxide. I've shared some with a neighbor and even after washing the produce myself I tell them to wash what I gave them before they use it.
Falcon
You can't irradiate something with a microwave tower. This guy's a nutter.
But you can alter something by microwaving it. If it were impossible then microwave ovens would not exist. This farmer may or may not be nuts but you are ignorant.
Falcon
Many studies of irradiated animal feed have been conducted over the years and no negative impact has been found.
Not one study has shown negative impacts of irradiating food?
Falcon
Just taking the wacky green agenda to its extreme boundary. If anything vegatables and milk should be intentionally irradated as is commonly done in Europe to: A > Reduce food borne illness B > Save enormous amounts of money on chilling food at the grocery store Planet saved and less medical costs, illnesses, don't tell Washington DC they are now expendable !
How nice of you to dictate what others can and can not eat and drink.
Falcon
I think this guy should be required to willingly give up all of his radio and TV receivers and any radio transmitters he might have.
Why? If he does have radio and or tv, TFA does not say whether he does or not, they may not be near his fields. There may also be obstructions.
You shouldn't get to ban everyone else from using a multi-century old proven safe technology, while at the same time taking advantage of that technology yourself.
The technology has also been proven dangerous, why do you think microwave ovens have switches built in to turn the oven off when the door is opened? Would you step in a human scaled one and let someone turn it on?
Falcon
can arrange special delivery.
Ump, did you read that article in, I think it was, "Time" magazine or "Newsweek" about the Mafia selling farmers fertilizer that was really hazardous waste in Italy?
Falcon
>>>I want to get hours if not days away from buildings and wiring.
Even along the Alaska Highway, which is pretty desolate, you're never more than a half-an-hour's drive away from humans and their buildings. And you mentioned the Appalachian Trail - well almost the entire length of that trail is only a short drive from the nearest interstate (I-81) or state highway.
True* but there are in other parts of the world. Even as a teenager, a lifetime ago, I wanted to take a trek through the Himalayas. Now I'd like to trek through the Andes and Siberia as well. Right now I'm hoping I can go to Brazil as part of a study abroad program in college, and while there I want to go into the Amazon and hike the Andes.
*Oh and I just mentioned the Appalachian Trail because people still hike it. And as another poster said above there are places out west, I think parts of Montana was specifically mentioned, without even cell phone access.
Falcon
all you have thrown away are a bunch of heaps of scrap metal, which won't be rare on Earth...ever
Mining for coltan, used in electronics to make things like capacitors, is one of the causes of the conflict in the Congo. You probably heard about the fighting, deaths, and genocide in the Sudan, but not many have heard about the fighting next door in the Congo, yes they share a common border. Now though I searched I didn't find out if the Space Shuttles and other rockets used coltan but it would surprise me if they didn't.
This is why the costs for the Space Shuttle have ballooned to the size they are today. It costs more to repair each time than it does to replace with a disposable rocket, and the reusable rocket is heavier, thus requiring more fuel.
It costs more to repair than replace a rocket? Think of that, replacing tires, tiles, and other things costs more than new disposable rockets.
On the other hand I agree with you that making things reusable probably adds to the weight and thus increases the fuel needed for launches. I also agree your idea of using a space elevator may be a better idea. Others have suggested other ideas as well, I'd like a science panel perhaps of the American Association for the Advancement of Science investigating the practical application of various proposals for NASA as well as allowing private entities to run tests.
Falcon
Just because you take 8000 pictures, doesn't mean you need to upload 8000 pictures, or that anyone really cares about 95% of them (if that isn't the point then why upload them?)
Even if it's only one photograph that's uploaded it still needs connectivity as well as a way to upload the photos. I suppose a digital camera and cellphone both with Bluetooth could be used to upload individual photos, if there is cellphone access. However the practical speed of Bluetooth 2.0 is 2 megabits per second whereas the cheaper camera I'd like to get has a 21.1 Megapixel sensor and can generate files 60MB. At 2mbs it could take a while to upload a photo. Bluetooth 3 may offer faster speeds however it was only approved in April 2009 so there aren't many products with it, then the cellphone and service has to support the same speeds and I haven't heard of one. Verison's and ATT's wireless offerings are faster but they require the card to be plugged into a laptop. Once plugged in will there be connectivity though?
I also am a technophile and photo buff (not very good, but I try), but also don't mind the lack of connectivity, I actually find it somewhat refreshing. I am also sure that most of my friends like it as well, since it gives me time to select only the pictures that I like.
There may be tymes I would find the lack of connectivity refreshing but I want to be able to decide when that is and as long as connectivity is available and the equipment that allows it can be turned off I can have it. I do that now, it's not often but I occasionally turn off my cellphone, such as when I go to the movie theatre.
Only if other's would do the same, if they have to have the phone on then turn the ringer off and use the vibrator then when a call comes in leave the audience to answer the phone. As you can probably tell that pisses me off. Which is why I turn mine off.
If you can't upload or transfer photos what do you do when your cards are full?
I'm not insulting your preferences, I'm just questioning the universality of them. Pictures (and blogs, surprisingly enough) benefit then most from not being able to harbor your "post it" influences.
As a professional photographer, I'm not now but I want to start a photography business, I'd like to be able to upload photos while out in the field. Just because I upload them doesn't mean I'll use or even keep them, however by uploading to my server when I get into the studio I can weed out those to be deleted from the keepers. It reminds me of a saying I like, "the only stupid question is the question that goes unasked."
Falcon
On the last trip I was on it was kind of a novelty to be able to grab my e-mail when we paddled to an inshore island, and the phone is small enough to actually take along. I'm not going to take a notebook on anything more adventurous than a cushy weekend car camping trip.
And I think you misunderstood my point. I used to carry backpacks weighing about 100lbs and hike all day long. As a college student I rode my bike 8.6 miles to campus, and other places, carrying a backpack weighing 50 or more pounds. Back then weeks I didn't ride at least 100 miles was more unusual than weeks I rode 200 or more miles. And that was in addition to other physical activities such as practicing martial arts, running, and swimming and diving.
It's nice to have something little like a phone so every few days, if you happen to find a sniff of cell service, you can grab your e-mail. There's definitely no wireless. If you need the whole notebook/video conferencing thing and pretty much constantly connectivity then you're going to be severely limited in where you can go.
It's also nice being able to document trips and being able to upload those docs once in a while. Constant connectivity isn't needed but connecting once or twice a day to upload photographs or a hiker's blog update would be terrific.
Falcon
Because amateur radio bands are narrow and would be quickly swamped by commercial traffic. If you want to piss somebody off by using their frequencies I suggest you co-opt analog TV channels.
Ah, there's the riddle, er problem. Originally the airwaves, with court approval, were homesteaded. In any given area people could set up transmitters and broadcast on an unused frequency. In short courts were assigning homesteader's rights to those who first broadcast on a frequency. If someone else came along and started broadcasting which interfered with the first broadcaster then they could be forced to stop the interference. Big companies came along and didn't like the competition and so were successful in lobbying the government to require broadcasters to be licensed.
So radio frequencies were taken away from homesteading broadcasters and given to large businesses.
Falcon
Does KOA have campgrounds with wifi along the Appalachian Trail?
Falcon
Final thing is if you're running a web-based business and can afford an RV and 3G phones and stuff, perhaps you can afford some employees to run the business for you while you go on an actual vacation.
As another post said above I'd rather be able to take off for a week once a month but still be in contact than take a 2 week vacation. And in my case I would combine the two, I love photography as well as hiking. With broadband wireless I could upload my photographs while out in the field. Here are some hiking blogs. I bet at least some of them would like to be able to blog while hiking.
Falcon
ditch the RV too much more of an adventure in a tent.
Why stop there? Why not leave the tent behind too. I'd rather leave that behind than my camera equipment or laptop.
Falcon
If you want to get away from EM I'd suggest you stay out of view of the sun :\
Well, you can get out of the sun in the Boundary Waters area. I don't know if it is a virgin area but the area is pretty well forested.
Falcon
I haven't been in the Boundary Waters area except driving up the North Shore between Duluth and Thunder Bay.
If you want something moderately challenging then leave at home all your electronics and canoe/portage 50 miles into the Boundary Waters Canoe Area [wikipedia.org] for an intrepid vacation. Trust me, to see land so pristine was a near religious experience and I definitely went back.
You may not but I would want my electronics with me, as well as broadband wireless access. I'd want to photograph and write about it.
Go white water rafting or mountain hiking or get dive certified.
One of the certs I want to get, to get my master cert, is photography. Years ago a friend used to dive and chart caves, and I thought of making that another cert. Combine the two, cave diving and photography, and having broadband wireless would be terrific.
Falcon
as a fall back plan. It costs $25/year. You can get 2 hours of wifi at any starbucks with it per day. (I don't work for Starbucks and I don't own any of their stock).
In cooperation with ATT Barnes and Noble offers free unlimited wifi.
Falcon
I was thinking of "risk" strictly in terms of odds of dying by participating in that enterprise.
You didn't make that clear and since I was commenting on financial risks without indications you meant something else it's pretty rational to assume that that's what you meant too. That is why corporations were granted charters.
If I were to get on a ship from England to the East Indies in 1600, is the probability of me dying higher or lower than if I were to get on a modern rocket to space?
I have no idea about the personal or financial risks of then compared to today.
Falcon