Just because it comes from the tap doesn't mean it comes from your city's tap. Tap water tastes different based on how it's treated.
If you want clean or purified water you're wasting money and resources by buying 1 liter bottles. Either get a 5 gallon refillable bottle or better get a water filter and filter it yourself.
I grew up in the country and when I was young, our tap water came from a stream on the hill behind the house. It was clean and uncontaminated and you could instantly taste the difference. Most people don't believe that water can taste different, but try it sometime - find pure, fresh, clean mountain water and tell me theres no difference.
I don't need to try, I practically grew up in the woods. I can't do it now, damaged memory, but I could have been dropped off in the middle of the woods of Florida and survived off the land. I knew how to find water, what plants or parts of plants were edible, and how to trap animals. I fished, in fresh and salt water. And I hunted. With rifles and bow and arrow. And I cleaned what I killed. I also know water because I grew up swimming and scuba diving.
However a lot of the bottled water in stores does not go directly from springs or streams, as In said before some of those bottles of water come from the water systems of the localities where it's bottled, the tap. Now even if the water is purified before being bottled it's still cheaper, easier, and less wasteful to buy large bottles of water. I have a 5 gallon water bottle I filled up earlier today, for less than $2. If I want minerals in it I can buy mineral packs.
There was no real point to this post:-D
Wrong bigtime!!! The point was that bottled water may be no better than city tap water, and that is in fact what some of the bottled water is, bottled water from the city or county. And if you're concerned about what you're drinking then filtering water yourself is the cleanest, most convenient, easiest, and cheapest way to have pure water. Your smart aleck response had no real point, other than as a troll.
designing software that would detect whether the text was copyrighted by AP or not would be prohibitively expensive.
Bullshit, this is what's stupid. AP already has a registry of copyrighted works. All the licensing software needs to do is search that registry. I have never had a computer that could not do searches, heck I've used the search built into my browser a number of tyme today.
I would also point out to everyone here that there is no defined word limit on what is and what is not fair use.
However AP is claiming more than 4 words, they not a court. Of course they wouldn't try to collect over a hand full of words, at least I don't think they would, because they'd get laughed out of court. I bet there isn't any 5 word string in what I'm typing now that has not been used a lot of tymes. Even if you include my spelling of time as "tyme".
Send this genius to my website, I'll sell him a bridge I don't own. Who would be stupid enough to pay someone for word he knows they don't own. If I were AP I would have kept his money.
straw men are used by the irrelevant to stop people from demanding what they are due
I don't understand why people, especially on Slashdot, use "free as in beer". Beer is not free. Speech on the other hand is free. I exercise free speech a lot, however though I've brewed my own homebrew beer it's not free. The closest I've heard of beer being free is when someone offers beer if someone else does something for them. "Help me clean out the garage and I'll give you a free beer."
because no court would believe that anyone would paw through the quadrillion pages of output your program would produce.
I think that was GP's point. Never mind going through a quadrillion pages, going through all of AP's stuff is stupid as well. Now as far as TFA is concerned, the problem is is AP is claiming rights to something they don't own the rights to.
Libertarian and republican politics is based on the idea that government interference has a net benefit in limited cases.
Libertarians yes, Republicans no. The only difference between Republicans and Democrats is what part of government is big. Republicans want big law enforcement and military whereas Democrats what big social programs. Since at least Eisenhower every Republican president has expanded government.
the premise that the copyright owner should be able to charge on a per-word basis (especially in text made up largely of quotations from other sources, as most AP articles are) is truly preposterous.
Some copyright writers, owners, are paid by the number of words. That's how news and periodicals pay. Check out some guides for magazine writers.
A couple of years ago Consumer Digest tested bottled water from different companies, and some of it was worse than city water.
All they found was a higher bacteria count in bottled water...
The NRDC found more than just that, they found:
"Contaminates of synthetic organic chemicals, bacteria, and arsenic were found to exceed the allowable limits under both state and water industry standards."
If you have evidence they are wrong produce it.
Furthermore, the idea that bacteria is BAD is a long pervasive myth that has caused substantial harm to mankind, and which scientists continually try to break people of...
Well, there's something we agree on. I believe too many people have gone overboard trying to disinfect everyday things with antibiotics, anti-microbes, and antiseptics. However it's scientists, or their employers, who push for these things. I never heard or saw people demanding these products but I see ads for them.
That is the article he used as a starting point before clicking on the link to obtain permission to use an except from the article. It does no checking.
Ah but the AP claimed copyright, which was the problem. Before the AP claims copyright it should validate that claim.
Then they can either hash the pasted text & try to find the source or they can require you to provide a citation.
My browser goes a pretty good job of searching text.
Either way, you don't want to do that client-side with javascript.
Agreed. But it should be simple to tie the licensing application to the registry. It may take a while to search through it, though search engines don't have a problem doing it, then if nothing else a license proposal can be emailed.
The answer to the first question in the FAQ linked to above, says it:
"A: Original news content such as that produced by AP and its members increasingly is being used across the Web without appropriate permission or compensation, and the problem is rapidly spreading to other digital applications. A content registry is a fundamental and powerful means to protect valuable and costly news content to assure that news organizations like AP can continue to support original journalism."
In other words you don't want to debate or inform, so why did you reply at all? Afterall it's a waste to tyme.. So is posting on Slashdot, but you do anyways. Therefore I conclude you're a troll.
A lot of people pay for the convenience and adaptability when they buy bottled water.
Like I said I buy filtered water, I have a 5 gallon bottle I fill up. I also have and use a Camelbak I take with me everywhere, and it's very adaptable. Even if you refill an empty bottle you're still saving money and it's no less convenient.
I personally use a whole house filter
Yea, I'd rather have a whole house filter myself. For now though I rent an apartment.
The Associated Press collects articles from reporters all over the world. I doubt those reporters submit articles royalty-free. How does the AP tie licensed text back to the article it applies to?
The AP set up a news registry that should be able to do that. There's no reason they can't tie the system selling licenses to the registry. If the quote to be licensed isn't in the registry then they don't own the rights. If the quote is a word for word quote someone made that others could quote then it could be meta-tagged.
I have never heard of a news reporter earning royalties.
You're right but reporters can sell use rights. News organizations typically pay for first tyme usage but selling online as AP is doing is a violation of that. AP even created a registry "with a built-in rights framework that will provide AP and other content owners with tools that allow news organizations to grant and monitor specific usage rights associated with each piece of content."
What I find amazing is that people will pay for bottled water, even though a lot of it comes from the water tap. A couple of years ago Consumer Digest tested bottled water from different companies, and some of it was worse than city water. I buy filtered water but I'd rather have a filter attached to my faucet.
It's like Comcast charging you for another provider's cable.
No, and I think most denizens of Slashdot would understand this: it's like Comcast (or the AP) having a bug in their software.
Yes, and I think most denizens of Slashdot would understand it's not a bug when something is compleatly left out, such as having software check whether the operator has the rights to sell a license. Furthermore it's not a bug when validation is left out of a program, it's poor programming. It would have been quite easy for the AP programmers to have the program test whether the quote was even in the article. Heck I've never worked as a programmer, or in any other high tech field, yet I know that.
I got stung between the knuckles of a thumb by a yellow jacket
I got stung by a wasp at school in high school. It flew into a classroom and I tried to let it out. I used to catch bees and would let them crawl on my hands and never got stung so I tried to catch the wasp as well but it did sting me. I'd still like to have an apiary though.
Now what sort of hacker is going to enlist in the military?
One who feels a sense of duty and knows sacrifices need to be made for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those who know "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Before going to college with a major in Computer Engineering I first enlisted in the military.
Second of all he would likely be enlisted man and even if he was a officer he would have to put up with the incredible amount of crap that comes with military service.
This brings up something that puzzles me some. Sure people are going to have to be knowledgeable and or spend a lot of tyme in training, but that's true with the infantry as well. Just as not everyone can be a hacker, not everyone can be an infantryman either. And infantry is a lot more dangerous. They're both specialized knowledge and should only be treated differently because of the level of danger. A hacker can get a civilian job and be paid a lot better than someone enlisted, on the other hand the only way an infantryman is going to get paid as much is by becoming an assassin, mercenary, or hitman.
That can pretty much be applied to followers of almost all religions. Here in the US we have a number of Christian Talibans, Reconstructionists, and those who believe in Manifest Destiny who like some Muslims believe in stoning.
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Just because it comes from the tap doesn't mean it comes from your city's tap. Tap water tastes different based on how it's treated.
If you want clean or purified water you're wasting money and resources by buying 1 liter bottles. Either get a 5 gallon refillable bottle or better get a water filter and filter it yourself.
Falcon
I grew up in the country and when I was young, our tap water came from a stream on the hill behind the house. It was clean and uncontaminated and you could instantly taste the difference. Most people don't believe that water can taste different, but try it sometime - find pure, fresh, clean mountain water and tell me theres no difference.
I don't need to try, I practically grew up in the woods. I can't do it now, damaged memory, but I could have been dropped off in the middle of the woods of Florida and survived off the land. I knew how to find water, what plants or parts of plants were edible, and how to trap animals. I fished, in fresh and salt water. And I hunted. With rifles and bow and arrow. And I cleaned what I killed. I also know water because I grew up swimming and scuba diving.
However a lot of the bottled water in stores does not go directly from springs or streams, as In said before some of those bottles of water come from the water systems of the localities where it's bottled, the tap. Now even if the water is purified before being bottled it's still cheaper, easier, and less wasteful to buy large bottles of water. I have a 5 gallon water bottle I filled up earlier today, for less than $2. If I want minerals in it I can buy mineral packs.
There was no real point to this post :-D
Wrong bigtime!!! The point was that bottled water may be no better than city tap water, and that is in fact what some of the bottled water is, bottled water from the city or county. And if you're concerned about what you're drinking then filtering water yourself is the cleanest, most convenient, easiest, and cheapest way to have pure water. Your smart aleck response had no real point, other than as a troll.
Falcon
designing software that would detect whether the text was copyrighted by AP or not would be prohibitively expensive.
Bullshit, this is what's stupid. AP already has a registry of copyrighted works. All the licensing software needs to do is search that registry. I have never had a computer that could not do searches, heck I've used the search built into my browser a number of tyme today.
I would also point out to everyone here that there is no defined word limit on what is and what is not fair use.
However AP is claiming more than 4 words, they not a court. Of course they wouldn't try to collect over a hand full of words, at least I don't think they would, because they'd get laughed out of court. I bet there isn't any 5 word string in what I'm typing now that has not been used a lot of tymes. Even if you include my spelling of time as "tyme".
Falcon
Send this genius to my website, I'll sell him a bridge I don't own. Who would be stupid enough to pay someone for word he knows they don't own. If I were AP I would have kept his money.
straw men are used by the irrelevant to stop people from demanding what they are due
Straw man such as the argument above?
Falcon
stays free as in beer.
I don't understand why people, especially on Slashdot, use "free as in beer". Beer is not free. Speech on the other hand is free. I exercise free speech a lot, however though I've brewed my own homebrew beer it's not free. The closest I've heard of beer being free is when someone offers beer if someone else does something for them. "Help me clean out the garage and I'll give you a free beer."
Falcon
because no court would believe that anyone would paw through the quadrillion pages of output your program would produce.
I think that was GP's point. Never mind going through a quadrillion pages, going through all of AP's stuff is stupid as well. Now as far as TFA is concerned, the problem is is AP is claiming rights to something they don't own the rights to.
Falcon
Yes, you can sell public domain works. No one can stop you since no one holds a copyright to it.
Hah, nice. That would be a hilarious business.
Barnes and Noble doesn't find it hilarious, except maybe to laugh while making deposits. B&N reprints a lot of classical books in the public domain.
Falcon
Libertarian and republican politics is based on the idea that government interference has a net benefit in limited cases.
Libertarians yes, Republicans no. The only difference between Republicans and Democrats is what part of government is big. Republicans want big law enforcement and military whereas Democrats what big social programs. Since at least Eisenhower every Republican president has expanded government.
And now Obama is going to make it even bigger.
Falcon
the premise that the copyright owner should be able to charge on a per-word basis (especially in text made up largely of quotations from other sources, as most AP articles are) is truly preposterous.
Some copyright writers, owners, are paid by the number of words. That's how news and periodicals pay. Check out some guides for magazine writers.
Falcon
even though a lot of it comes from the water tap.
Yes it does. But THEN it goes through massive processing...
Not according to National Resource Defense Council.
A couple of years ago Consumer Digest tested bottled water from different companies, and some of it was worse than city water.
All they found was a higher bacteria count in bottled water...
The NRDC found more than just that, they found:
"Contaminates of synthetic organic chemicals, bacteria, and arsenic were found to exceed the allowable limits under both state and water industry standards."
If you have evidence they are wrong produce it.
Furthermore, the idea that bacteria is BAD is a long pervasive myth that has caused substantial harm to mankind, and which scientists continually try to break people of...
Well, there's something we agree on. I believe too many people have gone overboard trying to disinfect everyday things with antibiotics, anti-microbes, and antiseptics. However it's scientists, or their employers, who push for these things. I never heard or saw people demanding these products but I see ads for them.
Falcon
That is the article he used as a starting point before clicking on the link to obtain permission to use an except from the article. It does no checking.
Ah but the AP claimed copyright, which was the problem. Before the AP claims copyright it should validate that claim.
Fslcon
published.
Problem solved.
Then they can either hash the pasted text & try to find the source or they can require you to provide a citation.
My browser goes a pretty good job of searching text.
Either way, you don't want to do that client-side with javascript.
Agreed. But it should be simple to tie the licensing application to the registry. It may take a while to search through it, though search engines don't have a problem doing it, then if nothing else a license proposal can be emailed.
The answer to the first question in the FAQ linked to above, says it:
"A: Original news content such as that produced by AP and its members increasingly is being used across the Web without appropriate permission or compensation, and the problem is rapidly spreading to other digital applications. A content registry is a fundamental and powerful means to protect valuable and costly news content to assure that news organizations like AP can continue to support original journalism."
Falcon
In other words you don't want to debate or inform, so why did you reply at all? Afterall it's a waste to tyme.. So is posting on Slashdot, but you do anyways. Therefore I conclude you're a troll.
Falcon
A lot of people pay for the convenience and adaptability when they buy bottled water.
Like I said I buy filtered water, I have a 5 gallon bottle I fill up. I also have and use a Camelbak I take with me everywhere, and it's very adaptable. Even if you refill an empty bottle you're still saving money and it's no less convenient.
I personally use a whole house filter
Yea, I'd rather have a whole house filter myself. For now though I rent an apartment.
Falcon
The Associated Press collects articles from reporters all over the world. I doubt those reporters submit articles royalty-free. How does the AP tie licensed text back to the article it applies to?
The AP set up a news registry that should be able to do that. There's no reason they can't tie the system selling licenses to the registry. If the quote to be licensed isn't in the registry then they don't own the rights. If the quote is a word for word quote someone made that others could quote then it could be meta-tagged.
I have never heard of a news reporter earning royalties.
You're right but reporters can sell use rights. News organizations typically pay for first tyme usage but selling online as AP is doing is a violation of that. AP even created a registry "with a built-in rights framework that will provide AP and other content owners with tools that allow news organizations to grant and monitor specific usage rights associated with each piece of content."
Falcon
the coverage of local issues and politics is sadly lacking.
The AP only covers local issues, politics, or news rarely. Local news is supposed to cover local stuff.
Falcon
What I find amazing is that people will pay for bottled water, even though a lot of it comes from the water tap. A couple of years ago Consumer Digest tested bottled water from different companies, and some of it was worse than city water. I buy filtered water but I'd rather have a filter attached to my faucet.
Falcon
It's like Comcast charging you for another provider's cable.
No, and I think most denizens of Slashdot would understand this: it's like Comcast (or the AP) having a bug in their software.
Yes, and I think most denizens of Slashdot would understand it's not a bug when something is compleatly left out, such as having software check whether the operator has the rights to sell a license. Furthermore it's not a bug when validation is left out of a program, it's poor programming. It would have been quite easy for the AP programmers to have the program test whether the quote was even in the article. Heck I've never worked as a programmer, or in any other high tech field, yet I know that.
Falcon
I see an idiot not following directions and getting what he deserved.
I see an idiot who doesn't understand the broader implications. There is such as thing as fair use. AP however wants to deny fair use.
Falcon
Yet you provide no evidence to back up your claim, you are wrong.
Falcon
It was an attempt at sarcasm.
I took it as criticism not sarcasm.
I got stung between the knuckles of a thumb by a yellow jacket
I got stung by a wasp at school in high school. It flew into a classroom and I tried to let it out. I used to catch bees and would let them crawl on my hands and never got stung so I tried to catch the wasp as well but it did sting me. I'd still like to have an apiary though.
Falcon
Where is your evidence fanatic Muslims are the exception? I provide some but you provide none, because you're wrong.
Falcon
Now what sort of hacker is going to enlist in the military?
One who feels a sense of duty and knows sacrifices need to be made for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those who know "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Before going to college with a major in Computer Engineering I first enlisted in the military.
Second of all he would likely be enlisted man and even if he was a officer he would have to put up with the incredible amount of crap that comes with military service.
This brings up something that puzzles me some. Sure people are going to have to be knowledgeable and or spend a lot of tyme in training, but that's true with the infantry as well. Just as not everyone can be a hacker, not everyone can be an infantryman either. And infantry is a lot more dangerous. They're both specialized knowledge and should only be treated differently because of the level of danger. A hacker can get a civilian job and be paid a lot better than someone enlisted, on the other hand the only way an infantryman is going to get paid as much is by becoming an assassin, mercenary, or hitman.
Falcon
That can pretty much be applied to followers of almost all religions. Here in the US we have a number of Christian Talibans, Reconstructionists, and those who believe in Manifest Destiny who like some Muslims believe in stoning.
Falcom