Okay, games are a weakness for Macs though there are a lot that run on them. What I find ironic is that I run into people who think Macs are only good for games.
Decent Amateur radio software and no, the software listed on http://www.machamradio.com/ is not good enough.
What about the DXZone? Things may of changed since then but years ago I knew hams who swore by Macs. I wanted to get my license myself but I had a hard tyme with Morse Code.
x11 that supports drag and drop properly, so I can use x11 applications as they should be used.
I've tried two X11 apps, CinePaint and Fink or MacPorts but I couldn't get either one to work. I may install Ubuntu on my Mac, in which case I can run CinePaint in it and use Synaptic as well as other methods to install software.
Then the iPod came out and the US consumer bent over for vendor lock-in.
I hear or see this a lot but haven't got an answer to my question, perhaps you can answer. What is this lock-in Apple has with the iPod?
True, at least in the US market. Americans still think $0.25/text message is a fair price.
Is this charge for text messages for sending, receiving, or both? I never send text but sometimes I receive text ads.
So, you're willing to pay more money to their brand because you feel their company has done right by you and/or society?
I paid less when I got my MacBook Pro than I would have paid for a Dell. And since I switched I've paid a lot less in grief as I have never had my computer or OS crash since switching.
Archos was years ahead of Windows Mobile, and should've taken the spot Apple did to lead the market. Unfortunately, Archos has no recognizable marketing skills.
That's how I feel about Commodore International and the Amiga. Commodore screwed the marketing for the Amiga.
Interesting that they still maintain more than 90% marketshare worldwide with that "wrong strategy", though. Despite the horridness of Vista, people *still* appreciate being able to use their older apps on their newer PCs, who would've thought.
According to Net Applications since this tyme last year Microsoft has slipped in market share while Apple has gained some. It was only in January when MS started gaining again, to 88.42 percent. Also of Windows users "about 64 percent, are still using XP while about 23 percent have upgraded to Vista."
Are you joking? I'm a OS X user and I remember how fracking unstable 10.0 was, there is no way you can compare 10.0 to XP stability wise, functionality wise it was lacking heavily too in comparison.
The first tyme I booted up a PC with XP it froze while booting, And it was installed on a brand new PC.
A art studio local to me moved to 100% windows systems because Photoshop couldn't even do 64bit on OS X, and they really needed the extra memory requirements.
Yea, Adobe only releasing Photoshop 64 for Windows pissed a lot of people off.
You don't *have* to update drivers in windows and, assuming you don't install some stupid spyware, you can pretty much leave a windows box alone and just install the standard updates.
Apple is petrified that people will decide it's not worth the extra cost for essentially the same exact parts/performance. Balmer was unkind enough to point exactly that out.
If Apple is so petrified people will not buy a Mac why ahs Apple's market share been growing? Apple has been slowly growing in market share for years. It was only after the economic downturn when Apple's market share slipped. Market analyst firm Gartner, Inc. said "Apple was the big winner with 38 percent market share growth, going from 6.4 percent of the market in 2007 to 8.5 percent during the second quarter of 2008".
Hunh? I am typing this on my Dell Studio 1737, which is available in the Dell home section.
When I checked when I posted that I saw a 16" but not a 17" laptop in the Home and Home Office section. Let me check again... Nope, I see Mini 9, 10 and 12; Inspiron 13, 14, and 15; oh okay there's a Studio 17. With a configuration similar to the MBP it's price is $2,455 with an Instant Savings of $365 for a total of $2,090. That's about $700 less than the MBP. However the Dell only has a 256MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 whereas the MBP has two graphics, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M and 9600M GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory.
Thanks for pointing out the Studio 17, I missed that before.
There's also the Studio XPS 16, almost as big....
I specifically said 17" because I wanted as big a display as I could get. A couple of years ago I saw a 21" laptop in a Best Buy. I'd love a laptop with a 21" display, but not with Windows, which this had.
If cost, upgradability, etc. is your goal then PC hardware wins.
When talking about low priced consumer items this is true but not when talking about work stations or servers. The last tyme I compared prices Mac Pros, MacBook Pros, and XServes were relatively close in price to similarly configured work stations, servers, and laptops from Windows OEMs. Now with Linux installed on these items they would be lower priced but Linux isn't as user friendly as OS X is yet, in a few more years that may change.
I personally find OS X's UI annoying. So it doesn't fit my needs, never mind the fact the OS doesn't run some of the applications I use and others that it does run, it runs terribly.
Do you mean specific apps or specific tasks? Can you name one task you have to do that a Mac can't? Something like word processing not MS Office, which MS does have for OS X.
I don't want a Mac Mini (very hard to expand toy) or a Mac Pro (high-end $$$$ workstation). I want something in the middle.
This is one of the problems I have with Apple myself. I'd love to be able to get a desktop Mac that wasn't an all-in-one like the iMac. Maybe even a mini tower where I could add RAM, a second graphics card, and another hard disk. I'd love a Mac Pro but price holds me back, so if I could get a small version of it for half the price that would be nice.
Apple has tossed all that out the door and given us overpriced bling.
Apple is not over priced, they just don't offer lower cost expandable systems.
the keyboard itself wasn't the problem, but rather the trackpad became totally unresponsive.
I haven't had a hardware, or OS, problem with my MacBook Pro.
Fortunately, I was able to find a new OEM top bezel for the MacBook for about $60 on eBay and installed it myself, which was much better than the $300 that the local Apple Store had quoted for a replacement bezel (it's an integrated unit, so there's not a separate SKU for just the trackpad).
Yea, I've even had Apple employees tell me to buy some things from somewhere else. Before I got it one told me to get the normal amount of RAM then to buy more and install it myself. In January my hard disk was getting full and another one told me to go to an authorized service center to have them replace the HDD with a bigger one.
I'd also had the infamous "sudden power-off" issue that a lot of the early MacBooks suffered from but Apple flatly denied the existence of.
I don't recall hearing this one. What I heard I didn't like though was the issue with graphics, how "true color" wasn't really displayed.
one look at the prices and specs of the new mini's should tell you that apple's grossly overpriced.
2009 calling. For what Apple offers their prices are competitive to Windows OEM prices. Sure you can get a Windows PC cheaper from some OEMs but how good is the hardware used? Unfortunately Apple has a big gaping hole in their product lineup.
It's not as simple as ditching Windows and using Linux for a lot of people. I switched from Windows to both Linux and OS X. My desktop PC, under desk tower really, came with Linux installed. And my laptop is a MacBook Pro, MBP. I rarely use the Linux PC. It came with only a 40 GB HDD so I added a 750 GB HDD as a second one. I used it for user files. But then the motherboard failed and since it was still under warranty where I bought it replaced the mobo. Then they had to reinstall Linux, before they did I gave them written instructions not to format the large drive but to set it for user files. The person who reinstalled Linux put it on autopilot and the drive was formatted anyway, so before I use it I want to recover the files I had. Which come to about 500GB.
Anyway, I want to start a photography business. For print GIMP just does not cut it so I may install Ubuntu on my MBP and try CinePaint to see if it will work for me. If not then I'll have to get Photoshop, which isn't easy to get working on Linux.
I pay the extra $500 not so much to get the Apple logo on my computer as to keep the Microsoft logo (and hence the Blue Screen of Death) off of it.
I would have paid a little extra to avoid the MS logo and Blue Screen of Death but I paid about the same for my MacBook Pro as I would have for a Windows laptop.
Any HP or DELL comparable notebook will bitchslap any Apple notebook on price. In EU they go by, at least, 500 Eur cheaper than a comparabel apple one.
Are you honestly comparing the MBP's 9400/9600 Intel graphics with a discrete Nvidia Quadro FX 2700M with 512mb dedicated VRAM?
The MacBook Pro comes with two graphics processors. The first is the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, for longer battery operation, and the second is the NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT for graphics intensive uses.
Nice spin on the "it comes with an EOL'ed OS" - yes, it does. Or you can have the current OS for, gasp, $0.
To get the Dell with Vista Business SP1 costs nothing more but Ultimate SP1, Ultimate 64 Edition Downgrade, XP 64 Installed, and Ultimate 64-BIT SP1 cost $50 more.
So yes, I am comparing the price of the MacBook Pro to the price of the Dell Mobile Precision M6400. For the same general specs the MBP cost less.
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CAD software is almost non-existent on OSX
While Autodesk doesn't release AutoCAD for Macs, I believe architosh would disagree about CAD software being non-existent for OS X.
Falcon
Steam games
Okay, games are a weakness for Macs though there are a lot that run on them. What I find ironic is that I run into people who think Macs are only good for games.
Decent Amateur radio software and no, the software listed on http://www.machamradio.com/ is not good enough.
What about the DXZone? Things may of changed since then but years ago I knew hams who swore by Macs. I wanted to get my license myself but I had a hard tyme with Morse Code.
x11 that supports drag and drop properly, so I can use x11 applications as they should be used.
I've tried two X11 apps, CinePaint and Fink or MacPorts but I couldn't get either one to work. I may install Ubuntu on my Mac, in which case I can run CinePaint in it and use Synaptic as well as other methods to install software.
Have you checked out CNR, ClickNRun?
Stuff like fink, macports which isn't hopelessly broken
Did you try both at the same tyme? I read where you should use one OR the other as they don't play well together.
Falcon
Then the iPod came out and the US consumer bent over for vendor lock-in.
I hear or see this a lot but haven't got an answer to my question, perhaps you can answer. What is this lock-in Apple has with the iPod?
True, at least in the US market. Americans still think $0.25/text message is a fair price.
Is this charge for text messages for sending, receiving, or both? I never send text but sometimes I receive text ads.
So, you're willing to pay more money to their brand because you feel their company has done right by you and/or society?
I paid less when I got my MacBook Pro than I would have paid for a Dell. And since I switched I've paid a lot less in grief as I have never had my computer or OS crash since switching.
Archos was years ahead of Windows Mobile, and should've taken the spot Apple did to lead the market. Unfortunately, Archos has no recognizable marketing skills.
That's how I feel about Commodore International and the Amiga. Commodore screwed the marketing for the Amiga.
Falcon
Interesting that they still maintain more than 90% marketshare worldwide with that "wrong strategy", though. Despite the horridness of Vista, people *still* appreciate being able to use their older apps on their newer PCs, who would've thought.
According to Net Applications since this tyme last year Microsoft has slipped in market share while Apple has gained some. It was only in January when MS started gaining again, to 88.42 percent. Also of Windows users "about 64 percent, are still using XP while about 23 percent have upgraded to Vista."
Falcon
In my view, XP = OS X 10.0;
Are you joking? I'm a OS X user and I remember how fracking unstable 10.0 was, there is no way you can compare 10.0 to XP stability wise, functionality wise it was lacking heavily too in comparison.
The first tyme I booted up a PC with XP it froze while booting, And it was installed on a brand new PC.
Falcon
A art studio local to me moved to 100% windows systems because Photoshop couldn't even do 64bit on OS X, and they really needed the extra memory requirements.
Yea, Adobe only releasing Photoshop 64 for Windows pissed a lot of people off.
Falcon
You don't *have* to update drivers in windows and, assuming you don't install some stupid spyware, you can pretty much leave a windows box alone and just install the standard updates.
Windows is the spyware. Windows includes WGA which phones home.
Falcon
Apple is petrified that people will decide it's not worth the extra cost for essentially the same exact parts/performance. Balmer was unkind enough to point exactly that out.
If Apple is so petrified people will not buy a Mac why ahs Apple's market share been growing? Apple has been slowly growing in market share for years. It was only after the economic downturn when Apple's market share slipped. Market analyst firm Gartner, Inc. said "Apple was the big winner with 38 percent market share growth, going from 6.4 percent of the market in 2007 to 8.5 percent during the second quarter of 2008".
Falcon
Home and Home Office does not have a 17"
Hunh? I am typing this on my Dell Studio 1737, which is available in the Dell home section.
When I checked when I posted that I saw a 16" but not a 17" laptop in the Home and Home Office section. Let me check again... Nope, I see Mini 9, 10 and 12; Inspiron 13, 14, and 15; oh okay there's a Studio 17. With a configuration similar to the MBP it's price is $2,455 with an Instant Savings of $365 for a total of $2,090. That's about $700 less than the MBP. However the Dell only has a 256MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 whereas the MBP has two graphics, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M and 9600M GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory.
Thanks for pointing out the Studio 17, I missed that before.
There's also the Studio XPS 16, almost as big....
I specifically said 17" because I wanted as big a display as I could get. A couple of years ago I saw a 21" laptop in a Best Buy. I'd love a laptop with a 21" display, but not with Windows, which this had.
Falcon
If cost, upgradability, etc. is your goal then PC hardware wins.
When talking about low priced consumer items this is true but not when talking about work stations or servers. The last tyme I compared prices Mac Pros, MacBook Pros, and XServes were relatively close in price to similarly configured work stations, servers, and laptops from Windows OEMs. Now with Linux installed on these items they would be lower priced but Linux isn't as user friendly as OS X is yet, in a few more years that may change.
Falcon
No, you can buy just a Mac Mini or Mac Pro without anything else, no keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor.
Falcon
I personally find OS X's UI annoying. So it doesn't fit my needs, never mind the fact the OS doesn't run some of the applications I use and others that it does run, it runs terribly.
Do you mean specific apps or specific tasks? Can you name one task you have to do that a Mac can't? Something like word processing not MS Office, which MS does have for OS X.
Falcon
It's there own fault for being overpriced on pretty much every level.
2009 calling, it wants it's money back. Mac prices have been comparable to PCs for years.
Falcon
Agnostic means "without knowledge" or essentially "without proof." Since those believing in god "know" there is a god, then they aren't agnostic
I know, I've said that in other posts. In the post you replied to I meant to say "Agnostics don't know or believe a god may exist."
Falcon
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
My GOD, there's three on one page.
Oh my, Installing Ubuntu on a MacBook Pro. I've been thinking about doing it myself. "This page describes how to install Debian on a MacBook Pro.".
http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=28
Can a photographer who's not a Linux guru use Photoshop on it? And apply that to all the other Linux laptops. So where's the lockin?
Falcon
Actually from what I have heard Apples support is pretty good. But then I never call support so I can only go by what I read.
I haven't called support either, all I've done is show up at an Apple store.
Falcon
when the software *I* need/want to run won't ever appear on Linux
What do you need to do? Not what program you want to use but what needs to be done?
Falcon
There are many differences between Microsoft and Apple but Balmer does have a point. Apple really make you pay for their branding.
That depends on what you buy.
Falcon
I don't want a Mac Mini (very hard to expand toy) or a Mac Pro (high-end $$$$ workstation). I want something in the middle.
This is one of the problems I have with Apple myself. I'd love to be able to get a desktop Mac that wasn't an all-in-one like the iMac. Maybe even a mini tower where I could add RAM, a second graphics card, and another hard disk. I'd love a Mac Pro but price holds me back, so if I could get a small version of it for half the price that would be nice.
Apple has tossed all that out the door and given us overpriced bling.
Apple is not over priced, they just don't offer lower cost expandable systems.
Falcon
the keyboard itself wasn't the problem, but rather the trackpad became totally unresponsive.
I haven't had a hardware, or OS, problem with my MacBook Pro.
Fortunately, I was able to find a new OEM top bezel for the MacBook for about $60 on eBay and installed it myself, which was much better than the $300 that the local Apple Store had quoted for a replacement bezel (it's an integrated unit, so there's not a separate SKU for just the trackpad).
Yea, I've even had Apple employees tell me to buy some things from somewhere else. Before I got it one told me to get the normal amount of RAM then to buy more and install it myself. In January my hard disk was getting full and another one told me to go to an authorized service center to have them replace the HDD with a bigger one.
I'd also had the infamous "sudden power-off" issue that a lot of the early MacBooks suffered from but Apple flatly denied the existence of.
I don't recall hearing this one. What I heard I didn't like though was the issue with graphics, how "true color" wasn't really displayed.
Falcon
one look at the prices and specs of the new mini's should tell you that apple's grossly overpriced.
2009 calling. For what Apple offers their prices are competitive to Windows OEM prices. Sure you can get a Windows PC cheaper from some OEMs but how good is the hardware used? Unfortunately Apple has a big gaping hole in their product lineup.
Falcon
It's not as simple as ditching Windows and using Linux for a lot of people. I switched from Windows to both Linux and OS X. My desktop PC, under desk tower really, came with Linux installed. And my laptop is a MacBook Pro, MBP. I rarely use the Linux PC. It came with only a 40 GB HDD so I added a 750 GB HDD as a second one. I used it for user files. But then the motherboard failed and since it was still under warranty where I bought it replaced the mobo. Then they had to reinstall Linux, before they did I gave them written instructions not to format the large drive but to set it for user files. The person who reinstalled Linux put it on autopilot and the drive was formatted anyway, so before I use it I want to recover the files I had. Which come to about 500GB.
Anyway, I want to start a photography business. For print GIMP just does not cut it so I may install Ubuntu on my MBP and try CinePaint to see if it will work for me. If not then I'll have to get Photoshop, which isn't easy to get working on Linux.
I pay the extra $500 not so much to get the Apple logo on my computer as to keep the Microsoft logo (and hence the Blue Screen of Death) off of it.
I would have paid a little extra to avoid the MS logo and Blue Screen of Death but I paid about the same for my MacBook Pro as I would have for a Windows laptop.
Falcon
Any HP or DELL comparable notebook will bitchslap any Apple notebook on price. In EU they go by, at least, 500 Eur cheaper than a comparabel apple one.
Here's my comparison, where's yours?
Falcon
Are you honestly comparing the MBP's 9400/9600 Intel graphics with a discrete Nvidia Quadro FX 2700M with 512mb dedicated VRAM?
The MacBook Pro comes with two graphics processors. The first is the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, for longer battery operation, and the second is the NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT for graphics intensive uses.
Nice spin on the "it comes with an EOL'ed OS" - yes, it does. Or you can have the current OS for, gasp, $0.
To get the Dell with Vista Business SP1 costs nothing more but Ultimate SP1, Ultimate 64 Edition Downgrade, XP 64 Installed, and Ultimate 64-BIT SP1 cost $50 more.
So yes, I am comparing the price of the MacBook Pro to the price of the Dell Mobile Precision M6400. For the same general specs the MBP cost less.
Falcon