you got pwnd, restore from backup, call the FBI if you're a good corporate citizen and have nothing to hide. Otherwise, get a Mac.
Getting a Mac will help for a while, but as more people switch to Macs malcontents will target OS X. And while it's more secure it's not totally secure, nothing is.
Falcon
Oh, and I'm not an MS fanbous, my desktop PC's OS is Linux and the laptop I'm typing this on is a MacBook Pro.
While proving a positive can be easy, proving a negative can be impossible.
Come on, seriously?
I am very serious. If you say you gave me $100 I can't prove you didn't, the negative, but you can easily prove you did, the positive. All you need is something audio/visual, a canceled check, a signed receipt, or something else. All I can do is ask for evidence you gave anything to me.
I don't know why you quoted me on just the bit you did. I was criticizing the original post for indeed pointing me to a dubious article, not asking him to point me to an article. Perhaps that'll change your perspective.
You have not come close to making me believe anyone can proof a negative. Hopefully however you can see how it can be impossible to do so.
Lots of other small details were dead on. For those like me, with some interest in computers, a movie that actually got some things right was amazing. The movie *as a whole* is a different matter.
This brings up something I haven't figured out, it seems many on./ didn't like the movie. But I did like it, and before it ever came out I had already decided to major in Computer Engineering. I had wanted to be like the hackers in the MIT Tech Model Railroad Club and the hackers on the west coast. My fav reading material back then was "Byte" magazine, I especially liked Jerry Pournelle's "Chaos Manor" and Steve Ciarcia's "Circuit Cellar". Unfortunately it went out of print years ago.
Falcon
BTW, that's why I get upset when people say crackers are hackers. At least they should be called black hats.
Phreaking (dunno if the portrayal was accurate, but phone booths around these parts fell victim to something not too far removed from what was shown in the movie).
How it was done was even easier than the movie portrayed it, for long distance calls a signal of 2600 Hz would allow free calls. At the tyme Cap'n Crunch included a whistle in the box that produced that signal. So all you needed to do was blow the whistle to make a free call. Blue boxes which made the sound were also made.
There were no dialup modems to which you and your buddies could connect, no external connections to MILNET at all.
Actually there was a way in. Then at UC Berkley Cliff Stole found someone had gained access to a system at Berkley which was then used to access military computers. He later wrote a book, "The Cuckoo's Egg: Tracking a Spy Through the Maze of Computer Espionage", about it. Some crackers, as they didn't follow the hacker ethic I won't call them hackers, in Germany being paid by the KGB was able to gain access. Stole found them because of a 75 cent discrepancy between two computers, the one broken into and an accounting system that tracked usage and billing.
So when Bush says he "took the initiative in removing Saddam Hussein from power" (don't think he's ever put it like that, just using a theoretical example), do you think he's not taking credit for it? Despite the fact that he didn't come up with the battle plan, didn't fight, and wasn't present when Saddam was captured?
Bush gave the orders.
Gore took credit for all the work done by hundreds, if not thousands, of engineers with that self-serving statement.
While Gore didn't go far enough, he supported D/ARPA's creation of arpanet/milnet, he didn't take all credit.
that's one of the reasons he's not President today.
The Reason Gore didn't win in 200 was because then Florida Secretary of State, who was in charge of elections there, Katherine Harris was also Bush's FL campaign manager and did what she could to make sure Bush won.
Except that this is the entire point of insurance. Pooling risk.
There's a difference between people living similar life styles pooling risk and pooling everyone, I did say because I smoke I paid a higher premium when I last had health insurance. And I was fine with that, I just would have liked to have other risk factors taken into consideration as well. I used to watch my diet and exercised a lot. Actually when I had an accident while riding my bike I rode it about 200 miles a week. I also worked out in dance, as an amateur I danced on stage for the theatre.
That's a pretty pathetic excuse. If they wanted in badly enough they'd have it. I know, I know, the all powerful US hegemony would shut them down, just like in Vietnam and Korea before that.
There's a big difference between what happened with gunboat diplomacy before WWII and what happened after. There wasn't much standing in the way of the US before. However afterwards China and the Soviet Union supported North Korea and Viet Nam. Actually one of Stalin's conditions for supporting the Chinese Communists in their fight against the Kuomintang or KMT and Nationalists was that they in turn support the communists in Korea. As for Viet Nam, notice I didn't spell it "Vietnam" it was originally two words not one, the US entered it when President Eisenhower sent Col Edward Lansdale to arm, support, and train Viet Namese who opposed democracy. France and North and South Viet Nam had reached an agreement, the Geneva Accords, in 1954 for both parts of the country to hold an election on whether the north and south would reunify. Col Lansdale was sent to Viet Nam in 1955 to prevent this vote. And the thing is is at first Ho Chi Min first asked the US's help in expelling the French, but when the US refused to he turned to the Soviets. France then decided to withdraw while Eisenhower decided to send in troops.
Then again the US did the same with China, Mao Tze Tong asked the US's support but the US refused. Though Stalin didn't like the Chinese Communists, he called them Margarine Communists because whereas the Russian brand of communism was about industrial workers, "soviet" means "worker" in English, China's brand was about the peasantry or farm workers., he gave them aid. From the 1800s, with the Opium Wars or as the British called it the Boxer Rebellion, to the 1930s and '40s China was controlled by other nations. Mao wanted to end the foreign domination.
can't we put enough seeds of the bananas in safe storage somewhere let the wilt kill the bananas and bring them back 5-10 years later?
The trees you eat bananas from don't have seeds. A part of one banana tree is cut off then grown to make a second tree. Bananas with seeds looks like this.
Hopefully those farmers will be smart enough to invest in a new food.
However by the tyme a farmer knows a crop is going to fail it may be too late for them.
Those that can't or won't have the option to sell their land.
If they can find a buyer, a big "if", selling their land may put them in a worse position.
Not to mention people going hungry.
We got hungry people in the United States, too. Let's fix our own house before we start crying about our neighbor.
I think feeding the hungry in the US, as well as in the Third World, is economically easy, the problem is political. Multi billion dollar US multinational corporations get billions of US taxpayer dollars in subsidies, Archer Daniels Midland has been called the Corporate Welfare Queen. Instead of the corporate paid politicians giving all that money to large corporations, if the money was given to charities like soup kitchens if not directly to those who need the help, then there's no reason they should go hungry. And by corporations not getting those hugh subsidies, they would have to compeat with Third World farmers. As it has been since NAFTA was ratified, Mexican farmers have been driven off their farms because they can't grow corn for what ADM and Cargill can export and sell corn for in Mexico. The Doha rounds of the WTO failed because First World Nations, specifically the EU and Japan refused to budge on subsiding their farmers, though Bush did agree to cut some US subsidies.
A better known example of what can happen when you build an economy on one cloned plant, is the Irish potato famine.
One result was massive immigration to the US, permanently changing US demographics, giving us, among others, Ted Kennedy.
The less biodiversity in a system, the less resistant it is to catastrophic failure. That's one reason market economies do better than centrally planned economies.
Lack of biodiversity may be why the Irish Potato Famine happened, potatoes are native to the US. The potatoes grown in Ireland may of been from a small number of parent plants transplanted.
Just about the only realistic scenario I can think of where that jump could happen, is, basically, an act of terror or sabotage. I.e., someone deliberately bringing some infected soil and spreading it around in Latin America. It could happen, I guess, but it's hardly something that the cultivars can do much about in advance.
I see another method, by getting your shoes dirty.
You can grow your own here (I assume by "here" you mean the US) too if you live in the right zone.
Except maybe Alaska or Hawaii I don't know of any state in the US where strawberries won't grow. Well, maybe Arizona, New Mexico, and or Utah. I'm growing some in my garden and I live in Minneapolis, the state shares a border with Canada. And in Plant City, Florida, they have their annual Strawberry Festival. Ah, it's been too long since I went there.
My very limited understanding is that Bananas are originally from an area in India where the native jungle is disappearing
The Banana is native to Southeast Asia and Australia not just India. According to Botany 2004 bananas were "first cultivated in the Mediterranean region ca. 650 A.D". However some botanists believe bananas once grew in Oregon.
Hence why we bother having Universities and Governments. As a proportion of their total spending, keeping a diversity of bananas growing, not for commercial reasons, but for research and the benefit of the citizenry in the future.
I don't recall which one but a university in Mexico is doing that with corn. This University grows many different types of corn found in Mexico in closed green houses to prevent cross pollination.
Single payer, fully socialized, completely free medicine in the USA. Government owned hospitals, government employed doctors.
BS! What we need is for the government to give everyone the same benefits a business gets for offering employees health insurance. The problem with health care in the US today stems from World War II. Then the federal government passed and enacted price and wage control laws. Employers were barred from offering employees or potential employees more pay, so to allow employers to attract and keep employees the government allowed employers to offer fringe benefits such as health insurance giving them tax breaks on those benefits. Now if those tax breaks were extended to people who bought their own health insurance the competition between insurance policy issuers would drive the cost of health insurance down.
By forcing those who buy and pay for their own insurance to pay for other's insurance, you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. You're also subsidizing other people's bad life style choices. I don't want to, and no one should, be forced to pay for someone else's bad choices. Such as eating too many tymes at fast food places, or smoking, or drinking, or not exercising. And I admit I'm one of those who smokes, when I last had insurance I paid more because I did smoke which I'm fine with, and I don't exercise enough. However I also used watch what I eat and take vitamin and mineral supplements.
Simply neither I nor any one else who tries to lead a healthful life style should not have to subsidize others' bad choices.
What the current crop of "pollitions" as you so amusingly spelled it have proposed is basically the same system as our car insurance system.
Which I don't have a problem with, though I would make some changes. And yes I have dealt with the car insurance system in the US. More than 10 years ago as a college student after my classes one day I was riding my bike when I was hit by a moving van, Apartment Movers type, and was medivacted by helicopter to a hospital. Actually that's how my mother found out I was injured, she works as a lab tech in the hospital. I spent something like a month in the hospital, some of that tyme in a coma. When I left, I was moved to live in a rehabilitation house where I spent another month and a half. Because I'm single and was in a coma a judge assigned my mother as my legal guardian, so when I left rehab I was moved into my moms house. Then for about 3 months I went to therapy 5 days a week at the hospital.
All told my medical bills came to more than $120,000 and I had no insurance, car or health. However my mom hired an attorney, my sister's friend. Because the driver of the van was weaving all over the road and clearly caused the accident, he's a diabetic and has a history of causing accidents due to the fact that he does not take care of his diabetes, his employer decided to settle the lawsuit before it ever went before a jury. The medical bills were paid for out of the settlement, with the rest put into a trust fund to take care of me. As I said above, I'd change the system, I'd make it so the guilty party had to pay for the medical expenses of someone disabled, and I am a survivor of a disability, or for health insurance for them for life. Because of the injury I have been refused health insurance, and after the settlement I spent another year in therapy. Even then though I still didn't get as must as I needed but I couldn't afford more.
But if these countries would stand up, take their own destinies in hand, quit putting forth corrupt leaders, they could do as they wished with their land.
They tried that, however gunboat diplomacy ended their dreams.
- I believe this is the core assertion of the "belief system,"
Which believe system, Christianity? Like others I don't believe Jesus was the Son of God. I don't even believe in "God", I'm agnostic, I don't believe in any god or disbelieve in any. As for Jesus, if there really was such a person who lived I think he may of been a great teacher. But nothing more. I don't even believe in the spirit or a soul. I used to but I lost my beliefs after I had an accident.
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you got pwnd, restore from backup, call the FBI if you're a good corporate citizen and have nothing to hide. Otherwise, get a Mac.
Getting a Mac will help for a while, but as more people switch to Macs malcontents will target OS X. And while it's more secure it's not totally secure, nothing is.
Falcon
Oh, and I'm not an MS fanbous, my desktop PC's OS is Linux and the laptop I'm typing this on is a MacBook Pro.Come on, seriously?
I am very serious. If you say you gave me $100 I can't prove you didn't, the negative, but you can easily prove you did, the positive. All you need is something audio/visual, a canceled check, a signed receipt, or something else. All I can do is ask for evidence you gave anything to me.
I don't know why you quoted me on just the bit you did. I was criticizing the original post for indeed pointing me to a dubious article, not asking him to point me to an article. Perhaps that'll change your perspective.
You have not come close to making me believe anyone can proof a negative. Hopefully however you can see how it can be impossible to do so.
FalconLots of other small details were dead on. For those like me, with some interest in computers, a movie that actually got some things right was amazing. The movie *as a whole* is a different matter.
This brings up something I haven't figured out, it seems many on ./ didn't like the movie. But I did like it, and before it ever came out I had already decided to major in Computer Engineering. I had wanted to be like the hackers in the MIT Tech Model Railroad Club and the hackers on the west coast. My fav reading material back then was "Byte" magazine, I especially liked Jerry Pournelle's "Chaos Manor" and Steve Ciarcia's "Circuit Cellar". Unfortunately it went out of print years ago.
Falcon
BTW, that's why I get upset when people say crackers are hackers. At least they should be called black hats.Phreaking (dunno if the portrayal was accurate, but phone booths around these parts fell victim to something not too far removed from what was shown in the movie).
How it was done was even easier than the movie portrayed it, for long distance calls a signal of 2600 Hz would allow free calls. At the tyme Cap'n Crunch included a whistle in the box that produced that signal. So all you needed to do was blow the whistle to make a free call. Blue boxes which made the sound were also made.
FalconThere were no dialup modems to which you and your buddies could connect, no external connections to MILNET at all.
Actually there was a way in. Then at UC Berkley Cliff Stole found someone had gained access to a system at Berkley which was then used to access military computers. He later wrote a book, "The Cuckoo's Egg: Tracking a Spy Through the Maze of Computer Espionage", about it. Some crackers, as they didn't follow the hacker ethic I won't call them hackers, in Germany being paid by the KGB was able to gain access. Stole found them because of a 75 cent discrepancy between two computers, the one broken into and an accounting system that tracked usage and billing.
Falconwish they would release an anamorphic DVD of it
They are, er at least widescreen, on 29 July 2008. In a sense I'd expect them to release it on Blu-ray.
FalconPoint me to an article where the perpetrator says he didn't say it
While proving a positive can be easy, proving a negative can be impossible.
FalconSo when Bush says he "took the initiative in removing Saddam Hussein from power" (don't think he's ever put it like that, just using a theoretical example), do you think he's not taking credit for it? Despite the fact that he didn't come up with the battle plan, didn't fight, and wasn't present when Saddam was captured?
Bush gave the orders.
Gore took credit for all the work done by hundreds, if not thousands, of engineers with that self-serving statement.
While Gore didn't go far enough, he supported D/ARPA's creation of arpanet/milnet, he didn't take all credit.
that's one of the reasons he's not President today.
The Reason Gore didn't win in 200 was because then Florida Secretary of State, who was in charge of elections there, Katherine Harris was also Bush's FL campaign manager and did what she could to make sure Bush won.
FalconAnd your rambling is getting difficult to tolerate, in which case I'm ending this.
FalconExcept that this is the entire point of insurance. Pooling risk.
There's a difference between people living similar life styles pooling risk and pooling everyone, I did say because I smoke I paid a higher premium when I last had health insurance. And I was fine with that, I just would have liked to have other risk factors taken into consideration as well. I used to watch my diet and exercised a lot. Actually when I had an accident while riding my bike I rode it about 200 miles a week. I also worked out in dance, as an amateur I danced on stage for the theatre.
FalconThat's a pretty pathetic excuse. If they wanted in badly enough they'd have it. I know, I know, the all powerful US hegemony would shut them down, just like in Vietnam and Korea before that.
There's a big difference between what happened with gunboat diplomacy before WWII and what happened after. There wasn't much standing in the way of the US before. However afterwards China and the Soviet Union supported North Korea and Viet Nam. Actually one of Stalin's conditions for supporting the Chinese Communists in their fight against the Kuomintang or KMT and Nationalists was that they in turn support the communists in Korea. As for Viet Nam, notice I didn't spell it "Vietnam" it was originally two words not one, the US entered it when President Eisenhower sent Col Edward Lansdale to arm, support, and train Viet Namese who opposed democracy. France and North and South Viet Nam had reached an agreement, the Geneva Accords, in 1954 for both parts of the country to hold an election on whether the north and south would reunify. Col Lansdale was sent to Viet Nam in 1955 to prevent this vote. And the thing is is at first Ho Chi Min first asked the US's help in expelling the French, but when the US refused to he turned to the Soviets. France then decided to withdraw while Eisenhower decided to send in troops.
Then again the US did the same with China, Mao Tze Tong asked the US's support but the US refused. Though Stalin didn't like the Chinese Communists, he called them Margarine Communists because whereas the Russian brand of communism was about industrial workers, "soviet" means "worker" in English, China's brand was about the peasantry or farm workers., he gave them aid. From the 1800s, with the Opium Wars or as the British called it the Boxer Rebellion, to the 1930s and '40s China was controlled by other nations. Mao wanted to end the foreign domination.
Falconcan't we put enough seeds of the bananas in safe storage somewhere let the wilt kill the bananas and bring them back 5-10 years later?
The trees you eat bananas from don't have seeds. A part of one banana tree is cut off then grown to make a second tree. Bananas with seeds looks like this.
FalconHopefully those farmers will be smart enough to invest in a new food.
However by the tyme a farmer knows a crop is going to fail it may be too late for them.
Those that can't or won't have the option to sell their land.
If they can find a buyer, a big "if", selling their land may put them in a worse position.
Not to mention people going hungry.
We got hungry people in the United States, too. Let's fix our own house before we start crying about our neighbor.
I think feeding the hungry in the US, as well as in the Third World, is economically easy, the problem is political. Multi billion dollar US multinational corporations get billions of US taxpayer dollars in subsidies, Archer Daniels Midland has been called the Corporate Welfare Queen. Instead of the corporate paid politicians giving all that money to large corporations, if the money was given to charities like soup kitchens if not directly to those who need the help, then there's no reason they should go hungry. And by corporations not getting those hugh subsidies, they would have to compeat with Third World farmers. As it has been since NAFTA was ratified, Mexican farmers have been driven off their farms because they can't grow corn for what ADM and Cargill can export and sell corn for in Mexico. The Doha rounds of the WTO failed because First World Nations, specifically the EU and Japan refused to budge on subsiding their farmers, though Bush did agree to cut some US subsidies.
FalconYour correct. But the US Media is running out of things to scare the people about.
Articles like this have been published in science magazine too though. From "SciAm", "Can Science Save the Banana?"[podcast].
FalconA better known example of what can happen when you build an economy on one cloned plant, is the Irish potato famine.
One result was massive immigration to the US, permanently changing US demographics, giving us, among others, Ted Kennedy.
The less biodiversity in a system, the less resistant it is to catastrophic failure. That's one reason market economies do better than centrally planned economies.
Lack of biodiversity may be why the Irish Potato Famine happened, potatoes are native to the US. The potatoes grown in Ireland may of been from a small number of parent plants transplanted.
FalconJust about the only realistic scenario I can think of where that jump could happen, is, basically, an act of terror or sabotage. I.e., someone deliberately bringing some infected soil and spreading it around in Latin America. It could happen, I guess, but it's hardly something that the cultivars can do much about in advance.
I see another method, by getting your shoes dirty.
FalconYou can grow your own here (I assume by "here" you mean the US) too if you live in the right zone.
Except maybe Alaska or Hawaii I don't know of any state in the US where strawberries won't grow. Well, maybe Arizona, New Mexico, and or Utah. I'm growing some in my garden and I live in Minneapolis, the state shares a border with Canada. And in Plant City, Florida, they have their annual Strawberry Festival. Ah, it's been too long since I went there.
FalconMy very limited understanding is that Bananas are originally from an area in India where the native jungle is disappearing
The Banana is native to Southeast Asia and Australia not just India. According to Botany 2004 bananas were "first cultivated in the Mediterranean region ca. 650 A.D". However some botanists believe bananas once grew in Oregon.
FalconHence why we bother having Universities and Governments. As a proportion of their total spending, keeping a diversity of bananas growing, not for commercial reasons, but for research and the benefit of the citizenry in the future.
I don't recall which one but a university in Mexico is doing that with corn. This University grows many different types of corn found in Mexico in closed green houses to prevent cross pollination.
FalconThe fruit of the crab apple is often quite flavorful, it's just small and usually not very sweet.
I only like sour tasting apples and there was a crap apple trees near one junior high school I went to that had some fabulous apples.
FalconSingle payer, fully socialized, completely free medicine in the USA. Government owned hospitals, government employed doctors.
BS! What we need is for the government to give everyone the same benefits a business gets for offering employees health insurance. The problem with health care in the US today stems from World War II. Then the federal government passed and enacted price and wage control laws. Employers were barred from offering employees or potential employees more pay, so to allow employers to attract and keep employees the government allowed employers to offer fringe benefits such as health insurance giving them tax breaks on those benefits. Now if those tax breaks were extended to people who bought their own health insurance the competition between insurance policy issuers would drive the cost of health insurance down.
By forcing those who buy and pay for their own insurance to pay for other's insurance, you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. You're also subsidizing other people's bad life style choices. I don't want to, and no one should, be forced to pay for someone else's bad choices. Such as eating too many tymes at fast food places, or smoking, or drinking, or not exercising. And I admit I'm one of those who smokes, when I last had insurance I paid more because I did smoke which I'm fine with, and I don't exercise enough. However I also used watch what I eat and take vitamin and mineral supplements.
Simply neither I nor any one else who tries to lead a healthful life style should not have to subsidize others' bad choices.
What the current crop of "pollitions" as you so amusingly spelled it have proposed is basically the same system as our car insurance system.
Which I don't have a problem with, though I would make some changes. And yes I have dealt with the car insurance system in the US. More than 10 years ago as a college student after my classes one day I was riding my bike when I was hit by a moving van, Apartment Movers type, and was medivacted by helicopter to a hospital. Actually that's how my mother found out I was injured, she works as a lab tech in the hospital. I spent something like a month in the hospital, some of that tyme in a coma. When I left, I was moved to live in a rehabilitation house where I spent another month and a half. Because I'm single and was in a coma a judge assigned my mother as my legal guardian, so when I left rehab I was moved into my moms house. Then for about 3 months I went to therapy 5 days a week at the hospital.
All told my medical bills came to more than $120,000 and I had no insurance, car or health. However my mom hired an attorney, my sister's friend. Because the driver of the van was weaving all over the road and clearly caused the accident, he's a diabetic and has a history of causing accidents due to the fact that he does not take care of his diabetes, his employer decided to settle the lawsuit before it ever went before a jury. The medical bills were paid for out of the settlement, with the rest put into a trust fund to take care of me. As I said above, I'd change the system, I'd make it so the guilty party had to pay for the medical expenses of someone disabled, and I am a survivor of a disability, or for health insurance for them for life. Because of the injury I have been refused health insurance, and after the settlement I spent another year in therapy. Even then though I still didn't get as must as I needed but I couldn't afford more.
FalconBut if these countries would stand up, take their own destinies in hand, quit putting forth corrupt leaders, they could do as they wished with their land.
They tried that, however gunboat diplomacy ended their dreams.
Falconthe only way out is Jesus
I believe in neither Jesus nor sin.
- I believe this is the core assertion of the "belief system,"
Which believe system, Christianity? Like others I don't believe Jesus was the Son of God. I don't even believe in "God", I'm agnostic, I don't believe in any god or disbelieve in any. As for Jesus, if there really was such a person who lived I think he may of been a great teacher. But nothing more. I don't even believe in the spirit or a soul. I used to but I lost my beliefs after I had an accident.
FalconIt's perfectly fine if it's in the Bible, Koran, or Talmud.
torture followed by bloody beheading would be just fine.
So is this.
FalconWhat other set of beliefs other than the abrahamic religions have a strong sense of compassion, really now?
It's already been pointed out to you but I'll do it again, Buddhism is partially about compassion as is Islam.
Falcon