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Sneaky Blackmailing Virus That Encrypts Data

BaCa writes "Kaspersky Lab found a new variant of Gpcode which encrypts files with various extensions using an RSA encryption algorithm with a 1024-bit key. After Gpcode.ak encrypts files on the victim machine, it changes the extension of these files to ._CRYPT and places a text file named !_READ_ME_!.txt in the same folder. In the text file the criminal tells the victims that the file has been encrypted and offers to sell them a decryptor. Is this a look into the future where the majority of malware will function based on extortion?"

409 comments

  1. But were they smart, or stupid? by pclminion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Question is, does the encryptor rewrite the data in-place, or just encrypt to a new file then delete the original? If the latter, the data is still recoverable with a simple undelete utility.

    1. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... or from handy backups...

      besides... do you really expect to get your data back after a hack like that? you're system is hosed, any correspondence with the malware author is only going to lead to more loss.

      you got pwnd, restore from backup, call the FBI if you're a good corporate citizen and have nothing to hide. Otherwise, get a Mac.

    2. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by moderatorrater · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Even if it's not, how are the criminals supposed to get their money? Worst case scenario, if this becomes widespread, people will start doing backups more often. The question at the end of the summary, like all slashdot questions, is dumb and doesn't promote discussion at all.

    3. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by nine-times · · Score: 2, Informative

      Does it matter? I have backups.

      Really, this doesn't scare me very much. Can these people stop making money on spam, please, and let them try their hand at blackmail? Because it's fine-- a lot of people won't pay, and others will get the FBI to trace the money to the criminals behind it. They'll probably get caught, but either way they won't get me. Like any sane person, I have a firewall, don't open random attachments, and keep backups.

    4. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does it matter? I have backups.

      And how often do you roll through your backups? Will you notice the encrypted files in time, or will you end up backing up the worthless files instead?

      I have plenty of important files which I don't look at very often. It might take months before I realize they are corrupted -- and by that time, I've overwritten the last valid backup with the encrypted stuff.

    5. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then we should paste a caption on you that says "Backups: Your doin it wrong."

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    6. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      ... or from handy backups... besides... do you really expect to get your data back after a hack like that? you're system is hosed, any correspondence with the malware author is only going to lead to more loss. you got pwnd, restore from backup, call the FBI if you're a good corporate citizen and have nothing to hide. Otherwise, get a Mac. Or get GNU/Linux.
    7. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      how are the criminals supposed to get their money?

      Fear, and adware. For example, if this virus becomes really widespread, the malware author could create a rouge anti-virus program that promises to get rid of it, and might even get rid of it, the downside is, it infects the host machine with adware giving the author $$$. Otherwise he can simply modify the script to not only encrypt it but add some adware into there. If you have root, there isn't much you can't do.
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    8. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unless you have space for infinite backups, his method is write. At some point, you'll run out of space and have to delete old backups to make room for the new ones.

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    9. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1, Redundant

      ... write.
      *right
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    10. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by kesuki · · Score: 4, Informative

      "And how often do you roll through your backups? "

      try 'never i use 1 time recordable optical media'

      i realize some people use 'rewritable' media for backups, and have this 'roll over' issue, but the only part of my backup that does rollover is the redundant external HDD for 'critical' data that i don't trust entirely to a DVD media, even is i only buy grade 1 media...

      I don't have a small data set either, I have over 1 TB of stuff on optical discs, but surprisingly only about 30 gigs that is important enough to go to a redundant hdd.

    11. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Given properly rolling backups, you don't just keep dailies for the past month. You keep dailies for a week, and weeklies for a month, and monthlies for however long you have space for.

      And given that most people work in files which are essentially text or the moral equivalent (Word docs, etc), it's likely that you do, in fact, have enough space for a very, very large number of backups.

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    12. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by zx-15 · · Score: 1

      I have two words for you: Incremental Backups

    13. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Informative

      And how often do you roll through your backups? Will you notice the encrypted files in time, or will you end up backing up the worthless files instead?

      I don't know about most people, but my backups bear a strong resemblance to a versioned filesystem: it doesn't matter if the encrypted files wind up on the backup, because I can always roll back to a version before they were encrypted.
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    14. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      That is why i have a yearly backup that goes off site and is NEVER discarded.

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    15. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by severoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would happily contact the criminal and send them $1 after working with my bank and law enforcement to set up an account trace to see where the money goes and who ends up with it.

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    16. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 5, Funny

      if this virus becomes really widespread, the malware author could create a rouge anti-virus program

      But a crimson anti-virus program can detect a rouge one.

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    17. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by secolactico · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or get GNU/Linux.

      He did say "good corporate citizen", so if you are not paying for it, you obviously have something to hide and should be reported.

      Damn commie scum.

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    18. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It displays a message when it does it, presumably so that the virus-runner will know that they need to pay someone to decrypt their file. That makes it pretty un-scary: it tells you when to restore. Of course, since your machine is compromised, maybe the "restore" really just overwrites your tape.

      It might take months before I realize they are corrupted

      In which case the virus writer never gets payed, since his yahoo email account is probably long disabled by then.

      There's no point in delaying extortion. The kind of people who decide to run malware, are the same kind of people who don't have any backups, so they're ready to collect from, immediately.

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    19. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Informative

      An important part of the backup process is to occasionally test the backups to make sure that they can be restored properly. corrupted backups suck, but do happen. I test my personal ones pretty regularly. I test my work ones on a set schedule. You should too.

    20. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Question is, does the encryptor rewrite the data in-place, or just encrypt to a new file then delete the original? If the latter, the data is still recoverable with a simple undelete utility. +1.
    21. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Threni · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > I would happily contact the criminal and send them $1 after working with my bank and law enforcement to set up an account trace to see
      > where the money goes and who ends up with it.

      Yeah, because they'd never have thought of that.

    22. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the extensions of the files is changed, how is that the encrypted files will overwrite the valid backup?

    23. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then your backup system is horribly flawed.

      you keep 1 year worth for anything of value.

      and My backups actually roll for 4 years. only because I started my backup system 4 years ago.. and It's not expensive at all, simply rotate out the last end of month tape to off site permanent storage. I also keep 12 months of incremental changes as well.

      If you havent touched the file for 12 months, the info is not important.

    24. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Informative

      Allow me to tell you how the money trail on this works:

      You are asked to send money through Western Union or some other provider that doesn't check your ID for amounts smaller than a few thousand USD. Then they send some bum to one of the thousand WD offices, somewhere on this planet, with the withdrawal code. And only once they get your money, you get your decryption key.

      So, now you know where the money ends up, and why police can't do jack about it.

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    25. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by who+knows+my+name · · Score: 1

      I have two words for you:
      logarithmic backups

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    26. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by madcat2c · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And when the $1 ends up in a bank in Nigeria, then what?

    27. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by DigitAl56K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the latter, the data is still recoverable with a simple undelete utility. No it isn't.

      Okay, it might be. Imagine it repeating the process on many files, each time a new file is written it may fill the space of the last deleted one. This also depends on the file system, OS strategy, file sizes, etc.

      Using an undelete utility means you risk recovering many corrupt files. That may be better than nothing or sending money to a malware author, which as much as I hate to say it may legitimately be classed as "funding terrorism".
    28. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by wembley+fraggle · · Score: 1

      Does it matter? I have backups.



      And how often do you roll through your backups? Will you notice the encrypted files in time, or will you end up backing up the worthless files instead?



      I have plenty of important files which I don't look at very often. It might take months before I realize they are corrupted -- and by that time, I've overwritten the last valid backup with the encrypted stuff.

      You're an idiot. So are all the people who modded you insightful. Backups are forever. Sure, you don't save every daily incremental, but you need to keep permanent copies of full backups on, say, a monthly basis. Permanent as in: you're not too cheap to overwrite them when you run out of room. Otherwise you're not really backing your stuff up.
    29. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Duncan+Blackthorne · · Score: 5, Informative
      And only once they get your money, you get your decryption key.

      "And only once they get your money, you don't get your decryption key."

      There, fixed that for you. :-)

    30. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by wembley+fraggle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given properly rolling backups, you don't just keep dailies for the past month. You keep dailies for a week, and weeklies for a month, and monthlies for however long you have space for.

      And given that most people work in files which are essentially text or the moral equivalent (Word docs, etc), it's likely that you do, in fact, have enough space for a very, very large number of backups. Thank you for being insightful in your response. Yours is the post that should be modded up - people who don't know how to run backups don't deserve their data.
    31. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I don't really overwrite my backups, especially without confirming that I still have a good backup somewhere.

    32. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ehh, Western Union is a CIA front, duh!

    33. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by lastchance_000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where'd you find that joke? Surely you can't makeup humor like that on your own.

    34. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Chaxid · · Score: 4, Funny

      And when the $1 ends up in a bank in Nigeria, then what? Oh please! We all know there aren't any REAL banks in Nigeria.
    35. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So? Do you really think the CIA cares where your money goes if it doesn't go to them? Or that they'd blow their cover just to save your 5k bucks?

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    36. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by zmollusc · · Score: 1

      Bad puns like that make me blush.

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    37. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prince Abjeet shall reclaim his throne. Duh.

    38. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by hey · · Score: 4, Funny

      They send the decrypt code with Western Union?
      As a telegram? Do they still exist?

    39. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original file no longer exists, and a file with a new name is created. It should get purged from the backup set eventually.

    40. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by falconwolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you got pwnd, restore from backup, call the FBI if you're a good corporate citizen and have nothing to hide. Otherwise, get a Mac.

      Getting a Mac will help for a while, but as more people switch to Macs malcontents will target OS X. And while it's more secure it's not totally secure, nothing is.

      Falcon

      Oh, and I'm not an MS fanbous, my desktop PC's OS is Linux and the laptop I'm typing this on is a MacBook Pro.
    41. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      If all your backing up is data then yur absolutely correct. In MSFT's and even OS X time machine the default settings are to backup everything, the OS, applications etc. for a home users that is just stupid. All that is really important should be in the users home directories and that should be the primary backup point.

      For me, I have two type of backups. data files, which are stored on the Hard drive, and two separate removable drives, and the stuff that doesn't get touched very often, like music and video files. Music files after ripping are mass burned onto a dvd once a year.

      while I don't do backups as often as I should, I do do them enough that i can wipe my drive on the fly and not worry about losing stuff.

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    42. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Niten · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He did say "good corporate citizen", so if you are not paying for it, you obviously have something to hide and should be reported.

      You may think this is just a joke, but when my second college roommate saw me using an unfamiliar operating system, he naturally started asking me about it. "What's it called?" "Red Hat Linux." "How much does it cost?" "Nothing, it's free." He freaked out: "Oh my God, how can that be legal? That could cost Microsoft so much in lost profits! That should really be illegal..."

      The worst part? He was a business major, an honest-to-goodness PHB in training...

    43. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by computerman413 · · Score: 5, Informative
    44. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Informative

      In MSFT's and even OS X time machine the default settings are to backup everything, the OS, applications etc. News flash: There are more than two backup programs in the universe.

      for a home users that is just stupid. When was the last time you saw a home user reinstall an entire OS? How many home users still have all the application CDs needed?

      For that matter, these are also things which don't change a lot. They shouldn't take up too much space in the backup, if you're using even a halfway-intelligent backup program -- both of the ones you mentioned at least do hardlinks.

      The real danger here would be if the program actually corrupted the entire backup repository. For that to happen, it would have to know when your backup hard drive was plugged in -- and there are other ways of avoiding this, such as running backups over a network to a server with limited access.
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    45. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Easy, just write a blue anti-virus program.

    46. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by RockWolf · · Score: 1

      Why not? As soon as I saw it, I knew some quick /.er would pick up on it.

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    47. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, something that causes Microsoft to make less money, is now automatically a 'should be illegal'?

      That kid should quit drinking the redmond cool-aid...

    48. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      And how do you propose to do this if the malware writer is in say, Russia or Thailand?

      Not counting the fact that anyone with half a brain will not give out their bank account details when blackmailing someone.

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    49. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      I assume you got reading and 'rithemtic sorted out ;)

    50. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That particular brand of Kool-Aid is served in a lot more places than Redmond...

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    51. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      anyone with half a brain will not give out their bank account details when blackmailing someone. I beg to differ. Prince Omadeke has been very forthcoming with all the bank details, officially signed documents, and necessary guarantees to ensure our secret transaction is carried out according to all successful modalities.
    52. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      That is why i have a yearly backup that goes off site and is NEVER discarded.

      Do you test the backups? Do you keep copies, and store them in different locations, of the backups?

      Falcon
    53. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by pclminion · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. So are all the people who modded you insightful. Backups are forever. Sure, you don't save every daily incremental, but you need to keep permanent copies of full backups on, say, a monthly basis.

      Are you some kind of sociopath? Permanent archival with a proper logarithmic strategy is certainly something any COMPANY should do. But I'd like to see you tell your mother she's an "idiot" because she doesn't keep a bookshelf of DVDs of everything she's ever put on her laptop.

      As far as "backups are forever," you're fucking crazy. Media wears out. Backups aren't forever even if you wanted it.

    54. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the foundation for this assertion?

    55. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      STOP.

    56. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by hyperz69 · · Score: 1

      Umm western union checks ID's on ANY amount... at least in Holland.

    57. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Ugh, I can't stand this awful humor anymore. Go take a powder.

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    58. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by RexDevious · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait a minute... Western Union has absolutely nothing in place to flag illegal payments? You can't fill out the form saying the money is for blackmail?

      Jeez. If not - I'd fill out the form saying the payment was to help Osama Bin Laden buy some Yellow Cake Uranium-flavoured rolling papers that had pictures of Child Porn on ons side, and copy written Metallica lyrics and Vista Activation codes on the other. Surely one of our many country's many Big Brother Agency would ensure the black mailer had a quick career change.

    59. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      2 different sites, but admittedly in the same large city. Tested each year new ones are added to the vault. Every 10 years they will be 'refreshed' with a duplicate of the original. ( either in the same format, or newer if one exists by then, such as moving floppies to tape, or old emerald tapes to DVD )

      Actually there are 3 copies, 2 off site for safety and one onsite for quick recovery incase of an 'oops'. ( one off-site also mirrors hardware to an extent, as its the official disaster recovery site )

      And ya, doing this with the critical data does take some labor, but i feel its well worth it to mitigate a total disaster which could totally destroy the company.

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    60. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope you promptly yelled "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" and slapped some sense into him.

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    61. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by beatle11 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      ... Otherwise, get a Mac. Or Get Linux...
    62. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      2 different sites, but admittedly in the same large city. Tested each year new ones are added to the vault. Every 10 years they will be 'refreshed' with a duplicate of the original. ( either in the same format, or newer if one exists by then, such as moving floppies to tape, or old emerald tapes to DVD )

      Ok, how many people go through with all this though, keeping multiple copies of backups stored in different places? I imagine in industries like banking and medicine they'll have pretty stringent backup plans but I don't think many others will. I've been wrong before and I may be wrong here though.

      Falcon
    63. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also have plenty of important files. That's why I don't run windows. I never do anything I care about on windows.

    64. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Call me silly, but I "paid" for my copy of Linux. Instead of a licensing fee, I paid some in donations to various projects of utilities I use daily, from Firefox, to OpenOffice, to TrueCrypt, etc.

    65. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Mjec · · Score: 1

      Using an undelete utility means you risk recovering many corrupt files. That may be better than nothing or sending money to a malware author, which as much as I hate to say it may legitimately be classed as "funding terrorism".

      No. It's giving in to extortion and blackmail. It might be funding terrorism, just as your local Starbucks might be owned by some dude who gives money to terrorists. Alternately it might be funding criminals.

      Just because a criminal uses fear - terror - to execute a crime does not make them terrorists. Distinctions are important!

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    66. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by mlts · · Score: 1

      What keeps the program from encrypting the whole backup repository, then demanding a key for that?

      For backups, IMHO, the most secure way is to have a locked down backup server that runs some utility like Retrospect, Backup Exec, bru, or whatnot, and grabs the backups from machines via a dedicated client that supports encrypted connections. Then, should malware hit a client machine, it may cause a couple snapshots to be bad, but it won't toast the backup sets. Even a script that sshes in, and dumps the filesystems back via tar would be decent.

      Only bad thing about backups -- only enterprise level tape drives have kept up with modern hard disk capacity, so for something that doesn't require piles of media, its about $3000 for something that can come close to backing up a modern box's hard disk without requiring multiple tapes. Disk capacity is levelling off, as its almost at the maximum aerial density that can be achieved in theory. If tape companies can even come close to that aerial density for tapes, they would have a winner.

    67. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'd take it as a compliment to how good RH appears to a moron such as him - if he thinks it's good enough to compete with Windows, then it's pretty much shattered the idea that Linux is only for smart people (it sounds like you could hardly get anyone dumber to prove it).

    68. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by mlts · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is an excellent idea. I know Retrospect allows for one to test not just the whole backup set, but whatever is new on the set to detect bad data on recent info.

      Backups require a chain of items to work correctly come restore time. You have to have something to read the backup media if its stored on CDs, DVDs, or tapes. You have to have the correct software and version of software. You also have to be able to get a dead machine in some state to be able to be restored, either by booting an OS or BartPE CD to start a restore, installing a temporary copy of the OS to recover over, or booting another instance of the OS from an external hard disk to restore to the original OS's volumes.

      I have seen people backup religiously, test their stuff, then when disaster strikes, they find their trusty tape drive has a sync or timing problem, so all the tapes written on that tape drive only work on that drive and no other drives. I've seen other people backup religiously onto stacks of CD-Rs, only to discover that nobody makes the software that can read it come 5 years later, the backup software company is out of business that makes the software, and a copy of archival data is needed for tax reasons.

      If you want to be sure of your backups, use more than one method of backing your stuff up. I know some companies who back up their production critical server data four ways, with two tape autochangers hanging off from each critical server. One backup is done over the network via Networker. The machines sport a local copy of Backup Exec with bare metal restore ability, and periodically dump themselves completely to the local library. Then, the database program backs itself up to its own tape library, and the tapes changed weekly and stored offsite (encrypted, of course). Finally, the database archive logs are saved to disk, and are copied via rsync to an offsite location every so often. This helps mitigate damage should in the future tape hardware become unavailable, or other bad stuff happen. Worst comes to worst, the offsite host with the archive logs can be made into a database server.

    69. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by MadnessASAP · · Score: 1

      Or jsut slapped him for that matter. Boy definitely needs the stupid slapped out of him, preferrably with a crowbar launched from an orbital installation.

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    70. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by MadnessASAP · · Score: 1

      Never underestimate the stupidity of someone doing very stupid things. (I mean the criminal in this case)

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    71. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by LeafOnTheWind · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Oh, and Delta encoding is a wonderful thing.

    72. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by silvalen · · Score: 5, Funny

      HAMMER TIME.

    73. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      What keeps the program from encrypting the whole backup repository, then demanding a key for that? Well, aside from what you said, there's the probability that the program will encrypt whatever it finds, and that the backup drive is unlikely to be plugged in at the time. It's not likely to keep encrypting things after the first time -- after all, as soon as you know you've been 0wned, the key should be gone -- but maybe it could anyway.

      For backups, IMHO, the most secure way is to have a locked down backup server that runs
      some utility like Retrospect, Backup Exec, bru, or whatnot, and grabs the backups from machines via a dedicated client that supports encrypted connections. Pretty much. I used BackupPC last time I set this up.

      This would be a good thing to include in a NAS-style device. I think Apple had a similar product, though I doubt it was designed not to trust the clients.

      The downside is that the backup machine is a single point of failure -- it has the keys to everything you're backing up. But this doesn't matter if you're doing a full disk backup.

      Only bad thing about backups -- only enterprise level tape drives have kept up with modern hard disk capacity So buy a hard drive.

      This is hopefully a fairly common set of features, but what BackupPC did here was, aside from compressing all the files (bzip2), it pooled them by checksum across multiple backups. I believe it was even capable of hooking into rsync. Net result: Only the files which have changed get sent over the wire and stored.

      Combined with ReiserFS for all the small files, and 60 gigs or so was plenty to backup a small office -- though we weren't doing applications and OSes.

      So it's only, what, $100, $150 for a 500 gig drive? And the pool is across multiple clients, so if they all start with exactly the same Vista installation, most of that will be shared.
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    74. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Never underestimate the stupidity of someone doing very stupid things. (I mean the criminal in this case)

      What is stupid about encrypting people's data and then demanding money for its safe return? Sounds pretty smart to me. You're not confusing morality with intelligence, are you?

    75. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Silly.

    76. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Otherwise, get a Mac."

      No thanks.

    77. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red Hat isn't free. Do you mean Fedora or CentOS?

    78. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, 970 gigs of pr0n !

    79. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by twoshortplanks · · Score: 2, Funny

      COLLABORATE AND LISTEN

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    80. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You average user, you know.. the ones most likely to NOT have an up-to-date virus checker, will not have the faintest idea about how to undelete a file or how to make an effective backup of data, let alone restore from said backup. Its this level of incompetence on the users part that has kept virus writers in business. Moving to Linux will not solve the problem, at least not long term, because virus writers will turn their attention to our free open source friend and then were in no better position than we are now.

    81. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by deroby · · Score: 1

      Why ? Mac's can't encrypt ? tssskkkk

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    82. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by yellowalienbaby · · Score: 1

      Thats why you should use incremental backups with versioning, in this case you would backup the encrypted file just once no matter how many backups you ran. You would then be able to restore a previous version to recover the data. ok, it might be overkill for the casual home user but Tivoli Storage Manager would do just that.

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    83. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That made me chuckle for another reason - check out the STOP buttons on this sound board (Flash - takes a few mins to load).

    84. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red Hat was free for a great majority of its existence, young grasshopper.

      You could say that Fedora is now what Red Hat used to be.

    85. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by thue · · Score: 1

      Of course people use incremental backup, like for example rdiff-backup ...

    86. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by tsjaikdus · · Score: 1

      >> He did say "good corporate citizen", so if you are not paying for it, you
      >> obviously have something to hide and should be reported.
      .
      Maybe Gpcode could do that automatically in the next release.

    87. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      The last 2 places i worked for did this, but i agree not all are this thorough. I've seen clients that didn't have *any* backup.

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    88. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least in Holland
      how about the rest of the Netherlands?
    89. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by the_womble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Every time I go to a supermarket they seem to be handing out free samples of something. Does he think that should be illegal? If he has taken an economics course and managed to understand it (although that sounds unlikely), you could have pointed out that the marginal cost of production of a downloaded copy of Linux is much less than that of a free sample of any physical product. I wonder if he thinks that free websites and web services should be illegal as well? Should Internet Explorer be banned because it lost Netscape a lot of money? Did you ever mange to explain to him that there is actually a sound business model behind Red Hat?

    90. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by stevie.f · · Score: 1

      Only our monthlies are copied offsite, the daily and weekly ones are kept in a fireproof safe at the opposite side of an (extremely large) building to the server room. I consider this appropriate for what we do, but not ideal

    91. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Question is, does the encryptor rewrite the data in-place, or just encrypt to a new file then delete the original? If the latter, the data is still recoverable with a simple undelete utility.
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    92. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by stokessd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Slow down junior...

      OS X is reasonably secure, but so is Linux. And while harder, Windows can also be made that way. Just because your Mac hasn't been pwned yet doesn't mean that it won't. The only secure OS is one that doesn't do anything.

      Macs are actually 24 years old, and there were Mac OS viruses out there. The hardware features of automagically reading a floppy inserted into the drive made the spread of those viruses much more easy.

      Sheldon

    93. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by lewko · · Score: 0, Redundant

      COLLABORATE AND LISTEN.

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    94. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      In the Netherlands Western Union when we want to transfer some money, we always have to ID ourselves, as does the recipient if I'm not mistaken.

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    95. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by stokessd · · Score: 1

      If all your backing up is data then yur absolutely correct. In MSFT's and even OS X time machine the default settings are to backup everything, the OS, applications etc. for a home users that is just stupid. Not if you want to restore to a completely working machine easily and quickly in the event of a drive failure. Sure, if you love spending hours rebuilding and reconfiguring, then just back up your home directory.

      Drive space is damn near free these days, you can get a TB or significant fraction of it for the cost of a few dinners out. Why not have the piece of mind as a home user to have a complete image of your computer drive? This is really critical when you remotely support aging family members from a distance.

      I can't speak to the Vista backup solution, but Timemachine has rebuilt one of my machines from the backup straight from the install DVD to a fresh drive. Boot the DVD, point to the backup and go... Not so easy if I was "Smart" and didn't ask for the entire OS to be backed up.

      Sheldon
    96. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      We use this method, except for the monthlies, they are yearlies here.

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    97. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      I've read about people who backed up shortcuts to files instead of the real ones, fun fun fun :D

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    98. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Petersson · · Score: 1

      I have two words for you:

      "I have four words for you. I... love... this... company!!! Yeeaahh!!!"
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    99. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by ACMENEWSLLC · · Score: 1

      So if you are really worried about this, go to %windir%\tasks and setup a batch file that looks for any files with these names. If count > 1 then e-mail yourself the results. Pretty easy with a batch file and BLAT.

    100. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Is the 1024-bit key the same for all attacks? If so, someone pay him, get the key, then broadcast it.

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    101. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2, Informative

      They could send the decrypt code via e-mail... from an account they hacked into. Or they could send it via mail. Only first it would go to an "innocent" (in that they don't know what they are doing) relayer. The relayer gets a big envelope, opens it up and takes out a smaller envelope. The relayer buys stamps for that envelope (they are promised reimbursement from the "small overseas business" they think they are working for) and sends it out. Even if you trace it to the relayer, you'll be hard pressed to make it any further than that.

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    102. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Yes. They might get tracked down and placed in a nice cell in Guantanamo Bay. Right next to you since you were "sending money to terrorists."

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    103. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually reversing 1024bit RSA isn't as hard as it would seem, provided the private key is generated in the software during the encryption / decryption process. RCE guys have been defeating crypto based software protection schemes for years now...

    104. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by kalirion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Call me silly, but I "paid" for my copy of Linux. Instead of a licensing fee, I paid some in donations to various projects of utilities I use daily, from Firefox, to OpenOffice, to TrueCrypt, etc.

      And do you also express your appreciation of Wikipedia by donating to the EFF?

    105. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by vandon · · Score: 1

      Or get GNU/Linux.


      or run Vista 64bit, nothing runs on that!
    106. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      I think you mean

      STOP STOP

    107. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Popular perception matters. I'm sure many of them _would_ give you the decryption key, so that the money keeps coming from other attacks. These guys are running a business and they'll do what it takes to maximize their profit.

      Imagine the conversations at the water cooler: "yeah, I paid for it, and it worked. Sucks, but it's worth it."

    108. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Per+Wigren · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And do you also express your appreciation of Wikipedia by donating to the EFF? I really hate that attitude of yours. The guy is more generous than 99% of the population and your only comment is "Why aren't you MORE generous?". Give the dude some credit instead.
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    109. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by kalirion · · Score: 1

      No, I'm merely pointing out that you cannot say you "paid" for a Linux distro when in fact your money went towards supporting some apps which run on said distro. It's just not the same thing. He "paid" for the apps, not the OS. No where was I saying he wasn't generous enough.

    110. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by bonehead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, if you want to spend the money for complete OS backups that will only come in handy every couple of years, by all means, go for it.

      Both at home and at work, I have better things to spend my hardware budget on than insuring that restoring a PC 2 years down the road will be slightly more convenient. Besides, the vast majority of Windows reinstalls that I do are a result of spyware infestations, not hardware failures. In that situation, I'm still reinstalling the OS regardless of how complete a backup I have on hand.

      I tend to treat backups like I treat insurance. Their point is to make a disaster "survivable", not "painless". As long as I have the data backed up, I can deal with the OS and apps.

    111. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by bonehead · · Score: 1

      I believe it was even capable of hooking into rsync. It does, in fact, support backups via rsync, even from Windows clients.

      The cool thing is that is can also restore files via rsync. It's nice being able to push an accidentally deleted file back to the users desktop without ever having to lift your butt from your chair.
    112. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by AkaKaryuu · · Score: 1

      Working in a bank, I can tell you that Western Union is a serious problem when it comes to fraud and illegal activities. You would be amazed ( Well, probably not... ) at how many people fall victim to fraud by way of wire or Western Union. Plus, why would Western Union want to print on their forms a check box asking if it is for illegal purposes. Hell, I'm sure a very large portion of their transactions are... would bring some serious charges against them for knowingly helping the aid a fraudulent transaction. I can tell you that I would be in prison a long time if I did that within the walls of my bank.

      These "lucky" people win an international lottery and then are instructed to wire, or Western Union, a large portion of a counterfiet check they are presented with. Of course, this wire is done before the poor person receives notice from their bank that the check is counterfiet and they just lost all the money they "won" in the lottery they never entered.

      I've also worked a Western Union terminal, and I've met some of the weirdest folk there... a transaction for a relatively small amount (which if they were smart, it would be less than say $1,000) would go unnoticed by the clerk. Plus, if you were to speak to the person performnig the transaction... they simply wouldn't care. Most of them are supermarket clerks who are too distracted by that hot girl down isle 5, or the owners of small shops who are more interested in their commision then your poor luck.

      Bottom line, as mentioned before, these scammers have runners collect the money for them and report back with the funds for a piece of the cash. They probably never even meet the head man. Of course, this is taking into consideration that the head guy thought this thru, but considering the strength of encription, they probably have.

      Western Union fraud is serious business.

    113. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by wembley+fraggle · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. So are all the people who modded you insightful. Backups are forever. Sure, you don't save every daily incremental, but you need to keep permanent copies of full backups on, say, a monthly basis.



      Are you some kind of sociopath? Permanent archival with a proper logarithmic strategy is certainly something any COMPANY should do. But I'd like to see you tell your mother she's an "idiot" because she doesn't keep a bookshelf of DVDs of everything she's ever put on her laptop.



      As far as "backups are forever," you're fucking crazy. Media wears out. Backups aren't forever even if you wanted it.

      While it's true that media does wear out, it doesn't wear out all that quickly. And yes, I've told my parents and siblings that they're being foolish if they don't regularly back up their data and keep semi-permanent copies of those backups, including offsite backups somewhere (in case of fire). It's not that hard to take a set of DVDs and use them for archival elsewhere.

      I've never had to tell my spouse that she's an idiot who deserves to lose her data, despite the fact that a broken HDD wiped out her dissertation literally a weak before the filing deadline. Why not? Because I'd been backing her up via a network client since we'd gotten engaged. Presto.

      Seriously, if you value your data, you back it up, and you keep old copies at least for several years. The expected shelf-life of DVD-Rs is fairly long. Long enough that you probably (as a home user) won't have to worry about recovery from degraded media. So I'll back off on "forever" and stick to my guns on "a few years".

      Maybe you can't archive your mp3 collection, but 75% of your important stuff is usually text anyway. The other 25% is usually pictures of family and such.
    114. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by wembley+fraggle · · Score: 1

      I've never had to tell my spouse that she's an idiot who deserves to lose her data, despite the fact that a broken HDD wiped out her dissertation literally a weak before the filing deadline. I can't believe I just spelled "week" as "weak". Some kind of freudian thing going on there.
    115. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      It does, in fact, support backups via rsync, even from Windows clients. That much, I knew -- in fact, "even from Windows clients" is a given; it'll work from any platform with a decent rsync client.

      What I mean is, I think it hooked into rsync such that it could actually do an incremental backup via rsync, mostly without unpacking the original files (I always kept those bzipped). Not sure, though.
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    116. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      **you're system is hosed**
      you're is the contraction of you are... so let's write this out without the contraction "you're".
      **you are system is hosed**
      Are all Mac users so illiterate that they do not know the difference between your and you're?

    117. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by severoon · · Score: 1

      Agreed...they probably did think of that. But what's the big downside for me? Loss of $1? And their big win is having all their obfuscation processes thoroughly exercised to make $1?

      (And I still have all my important data anyway because I backed it up.)

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    118. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by RexDevious · · Score: 1

      So Western Union is kind of like whichever company it is that makes those tiny zip lock bags? You know, the ones that are only large enough to hold either a 1/4" square sandwich, or disc drive screws - but did a booming business long before they sold disc drive upgrade kits or very tiny sandwiches.

    119. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by AkaKaryuu · · Score: 1

      Yea, I mean arn't those supposed to be for tiny Ritz Sandwiches? That's what I've always used em for, at least...

    120. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      All you'd have done is bent the crowbar, even from the orbital vantage point. PHB's are rather dense indeed.

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    121. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he donated to everything he is running including the kernel then he did, a OS is nothing but a collection of apps.

    122. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by pugugly · · Score: 1

      Which brings before me a question I've wondered about before.

      What are the costs of burning CD's and giving them away at stores? If AOL can fill every rubbish bin in 50 states, why can't we manage to mail out 100,000,000 copies of Ubuntu 8.4?

      Just curious - Pug

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    123. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      "How much does it cost?" "Nothing, it's free." He freaked out: "Oh my God, how can that be legal? That could cost Microsoft so much in lost profits! That should really be illegal..." This is what happens when "Business Orientated" mummy and "IT Nerd" daddy really love one another very very much. Dopey kid who doesn't understand the concept of what an operating system is and thinks that people giving away "free open source" is stealing from someone else.

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    124. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      Should Internet Explorer be banned because it lost Netscape a lot of money? This comment of yours is too long and contains too many words. Here is a better version. (Slight liberty taken with wording)

      Internet Explorer should be banned.

      Thank you for your time.
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    125. Re:But were they smart, or stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you promptly yelled "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" and slapped some sense into him.

      I would have replied "my god! your a brainwashed drone!!"
  2. Anti-Malware Response by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

    I wonder if there will be tools / services that would be able to hammer at (or otherwise crack) the 1024-bit encryption and find the key.

    Does anyone know how bad this might be from a computational-power standpoint?

    1. Re:Anti-Malware Response by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative

      Uh, if 1024-bit RSA was broken, the world of encryption security would collapse (at least for the short term). Could it happen? Sure, it's possible. Will it happen in time to save your pr0n collection? Highly unlikely.

      For one thing, compromise of RSA encryption would render SSL useless.

    2. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Delwin · · Score: 1

      Without an efficient and functional quantum computer? millenia, maybe centuries depending on how computational power advances. Then again unless it's also randomizing the keys the first time they sell a decrypter (assuming they actually do and don't just take your money) the anti-virus companies will get their hands on it and plug that into the 'clean' function for this virus.

    3. Re:Anti-Malware Response by mapsjanhere · · Score: 1

      I think the big question is - does the virus carry it's own key around, or does it "phone home" to get a specific key for the infected machine?
      In the first key someone will most likely find the key in the virus code, in the second case it's BAD. Sure the NSA can break a 1024 RSA key if they have to, but I haven't heard of a "simple" commercial tool to do it.

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    4. Re:Anti-Malware Response by afidel · · Score: 1

      I assume they use the machine name as a salt for the encryption and so the decryptor takes that into account =)

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    5. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I wonder if there will be tools / services that would be able to hammer at (or otherwise crack) the 1024-bit encryption and find the key.

      Wouldn't one person be able to pay of the extortion, and then give out the key to everyone else?

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    6. Re:Anti-Malware Response by LabRat · · Score: 1

      It uses public-key encryption...so presumably it carries around the "public" portion of the key pair that is used to encrypt the files. The black-mailer has the private portion that is sold to the victim.

    7. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know how bad this might be from a computational-power standpoint? Not happening.
    8. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they remember a bit of the files contents it would be VERY easy. And in order for the decryption program to work, it must use a single key, otherwise, how would they know what key to decrypt it with. In any case, make a file with content you know and intentionally infect a computer with it on it. From there it would be very easy to solve...

    9. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Loether · · Score: 1

      Sure the NSA can break a 1024 RSA key if they have to Do you have a citation for that?

      I don't see why the laws governing the ability to break such a key would change for the NSA. A 1024 bit key is MUCH more than twice as hard to crack as a 660 bit key. Maybe someone can help me with the math? something like 2^(1024 - 660) times harder to crack?
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    10. Re:Anti-Malware Response by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      How about recommending solutions that require LESS than the age of the universe to work?

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    11. Re:Anti-Malware Response by somersault · · Score: 1

      or.. time of day, mac address, any number of other things.. how much faster would a brute force attack be even knowing what they used as salt? Probably not significantly different (ie I'm guessing it would still be more than your lifespan with current tech)

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    12. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      You forget though, the NSA has a large budget and access to super computers. What might take us years to crack may only take months or less for a few huge clusters of computers or some super computers to break. Plus, as everything the NSA does is "a matter of national security" they can request a super computer to do that.

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    13. Re:Anti-Malware Response by pclminion · · Score: 1

      I was not aware there was a proof that factorization can't be achieved without a quantum computer. Can you point me to your source?

    14. Re:Anti-Malware Response by solafide · · Score: 1

      And, who knows what specialized algorithms have been found in the NSA?

    15. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RSA keys should be 2048 bits long for a decent measure of security. Especially at smaller key sizes, it's not a very good encryption method.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA

      As a side note:
      At 128-bits, assuming the algorithm does not have a weakness, a brute force attack takes longer than the age of the universe. The amount of power that such an attack would require is also quite staggering.

      At 256-bits, brute-forcing would require being able to harness the entire output of a star (or stars) to power the computer needed to complete the task.

      As long as no holes are present in the encryption method, a 1024 bit key is (in practice) unbreakable.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute_force_attack

    16. Re:Anti-Malware Response by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The last version was eventually "cracked", because the virus used the same key for all the encrypted files so once someone paid up they could distribute the key.

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    17. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Thiez · · Score: 1

      You can factor large numbers, but it is very, very hard. For a 1024-bits number it will take a LONG time (you'll be long dead before you get the result, and the rest of mankind will probably be dead too.). Using a quantum computer would speed things up since they can factor large numbers more easily using a different algorithm.

    18. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Delwin · · Score: 1

      linear time factorization cannot be achieved without a quantum computer. Without a linear time factorization algorithm a 1024-bit RSA encryption would take a government organization with millions in dedicated hardware decades to crack. http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2007

    19. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Delwin · · Score: 1
    20. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Zironic · · Score: 1

      the thing is, we're not talking years or months, we're talking centuries and milenia.

    21. Re:Anti-Malware Response by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't one person be able to pay of the extortion, and then give out the key to everyone else? All depends how it's implemented. One easy way would be to generate a random key, phone home with it, then destroy it on the local machine once the crypto is done -- so the key will be unique to the user.

      Another way would be to have a finite (but still very large) number of keys to choose from, and store a checksum of the key on the local machine. If there were, say, a few thousand keys, it would still be enough to be unreasonable to try to "buy" them all, but it would also keep the payload down to maybe a few hundred kilobytes.

      I kind of doubt that the key would be exactly the same for every instance of this.
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    22. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Thiez · · Score: 1

      Hmmn, it seems the above is incorrect. I cite wikipedia:

      "RSA claims that 1024-bit keys are likely to become crackable some time between 2006 and 2010 and that 2048-bit keys are sufficient until 2030."

    23. Re:Anti-Malware Response by mapsjanhere · · Score: 1

      My comment was based on the statement that it would take 30 years to break it on a PC. What let me to the conclusion that the NSA would have no problem doing it either by having 3000 PCs chewing on it or, more likely, having dedicated hardware that can do it in a day.
      Sadly, there seems to be a limited number of slashdotters admitting to NSA capabilities from first hand experience.

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    24. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      Sure, but 1024 RSA doesn't take us years to crack. It doesn't even take us decades to crack. Our grandchildren won't be alive to see the code finish. The NSA is good, but they're living in the same universe as the rest of us.

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      I see your informative link, and raise you a pithy comment.
    25. Re:Anti-Malware Response by kipman725 · · Score: 1

      The NSA will not crack RSA nor will anyone else no matter how bloated there budget due to the fudimental nature of cracking it. It involves the factorisation of prime numbers multiplied together. Factorisation has had no known short cuts found in thousands of years of mathmatics. Some people think it to be something that actualy has no short cuts. The quantum computer can complete every posible test to see if a number is a factor of a number in the same time it takes to do one test and so can factorise pretty much instantly. However a normal computer has to test every posible value which means for a 1024bit key aproximatly 1.797693134862315907729305190789e+308 divisions each which will take more than one proccesor cycle. But assuming we have a 3GHZ proccesor that can do one long division per cycle thats going to take 1.8988485973398018308630411171836e+288 YEARS to test every single value. DO you see now why the NSA cannot crack a 1024bit RSA key no matter how much computing power they throw at it?

    26. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Loether · · Score: 1

      I completely agree that they have access to super computers and as the article states what would take a standard pc 30 years to decrypt "660 bit key" would take the NSA significantly less time for sure. I'll give you they crack a 660 bit key over lunch. That's the old 660 bit key.

      My point was that for a 1024 bit key (the one the new malware uses) they are screwed. Even if we say the nsa has the cpu power 1 Googol (1 followed by 100 zeros) times faster than the 2.2ghz pc quoted in TFA. According to my math again any help would be appreciated. 2 ^ (1024 -660) = 3e109 they would still need about 30^9 years to decrypt it. The math just doesn't work even for a govt agency with supercomputers that run trillions of times faster than the fastest "known" supercomputer.

      Now as the GP Solafide points out it is possible they have found a weak link in the algorithm in which case all bets are off.

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    27. Re:Anti-Malware Response by kesuki · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fortunately, brute force attacks aren't necessary. If one can read the memory space used by the 'decryptor' one can find the key in seconds.

      this is why movie content will 'never' be immune to cracking. in the case of this virus, the decryptor is sent to you over the internet, if you pay the money, but having a good backup scheme also defeats the need to brute force. having a good security setup, should negate even the need for backups to prevent infection in the first place.

      so always have a competent hardened firewall device like smoothwall express, never download attachments (webmail helps a lot in this arena, along with a secure browser, and a phishing aware user/browser add-on) avoid windows like the plague, but if you must run windows make sure it can only get access to the actual ports of the programs you actually use on it. and never run as administrator, unless you really genuinely need to do something that can't be done as a normal user.

      trusting a 'commercial' 'hardware' router to protect a windows machine is insane, even if you've replaced the firmware with some variant of linux, it's Still Not hardened like smoothwall...

      fine if you have all linux/bsd machines, but windows has as much security as the emperor had new clothes, even with a $$$ security suite. sad but true, only 0% of tested windows security software could stop 50/50 2006/2007 known rootkit/malware post install... the best was i think being able to remove 7/50 and 13/50, if it had actually gotten installed. specialized tools were also tested, not just suites.

      the point being, if you must run windows remember that a piece of paper stands more chance of surviving a nuclear blast at point blank than windows has of being de-rooted without a format.

    28. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked for the NSA last summer with the google summer of code, mostly SELinux stuff. Anyhow, they have a massive array (half a billion is what I heard it cost) of video cards (each one is equivalent to ~40 Core 2 Duos @ 3 ghz) for doing shit like that.

    29. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't one person be able to pay of the extortion, and then give out the key to everyone else?

      Wouldn't one person be able to pay the extortion, and follow the money, and bust the extortionist? Seems to me the best way to be rid of this sort of thing is to get a mobster's computer infected. A few headlines reading "Computer virus writer's body found in home" would do a great deal to suppress this sort of thing. People making frequent back-ups and improved anti-virus software only reduces the odds of a pay off for the malware creators, that is not a deterrent. Knowing that the last guy who wrote an extortion virus suffered a horrible fate just months after his virus was release, now that is a deterrent.

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    30. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Thiez · · Score: 1

      Known plaintext makes RSA much easier to crack? I didn't know, source please?

    31. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you fucking serious?

      here's some FACTORIZATION for you using nothing
      more than... you guessed it! NEURONS!!

      Let's take the number 1044.
      *THINKS REALLY REALLY REALLY HARD*
      Two factors are 4 and 261

    32. Re:Anti-Malware Response by solafide · · Score: 1

      Actually, factoring algorithms are in a constant state of refinement. For instance, the current fastest factoring algorithm, the general number field seive, was discovered in the last decade. It _is_ possible that the NSA has made some leap which makes it feasible for them to factor, maybe not over lunch, but possible. Your bruteforce analysis is invalid because it does not take into account possible algorithm improvements.

    33. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      Their supercomputers are irrelevant; they could have a thousand times the CPU we do, and it wouldn't matter much (they crack it in a billion years instead of a trillion years -- so what?) Their budget might be relevant, if it means they managed to hire SuperMathMan, who is able to find weakness in RSA.

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    34. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Strange. I was under the impression they don't really live in the same reality I do...

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    35. Re:Anti-Malware Response by mapsjanhere · · Score: 1

      Oh, thanks, I missed that part that the 30 years was for the 660 bit key. One question so - once you break it - does that mean you have all solutions to all possible keys of that lengths, kind of having a look-up table, or do you have to run the process again against any new key?

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    36. Re:Anti-Malware Response by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      That's only an analysis of current hardware's capabilities.

    37. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Mr+Z · · Score: 0

      RSA is asymmetric encryption. That's why the key-length is so long. It doesn't matter if you have the encryption key. You can't decrypt with the encryption key. Keeping the RAM hot is only helpful for trying to find the plaintext in a disk buffer somewhere.

      RSA has much longer key lengths than symmetric encryption due to how the math works out: Only a small fraction of 1024-bit numbers make suitable keys. Encryption / decryption key pairs have very specific mathematical properties related to primes. (See the Wikipedia page the GP posted.)

    38. Re:Anti-Malware Response by spazdor · · Score: 1

      It is even possible that there is no 'most efficient' algorithm. As the numbers get bigger and the storage and processing resources get fatter, there may be infinitely many 'best' algorithms. I bet there's a Cantor diagonal argument somewhere to demonstrate this.

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    39. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Mr+Z · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oops, I see you said "decryptor." Of course, if you have that, then you've unlocked this key. But, how many keys does the virus have on its keyring and how quickly does it acquire more? It's not like it's a DVD, fixed in a medium or a CSS descrambler ASIC in a $20 DVD player.

    40. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the big question is - does the virus carry it's own key around, or does it "phone home" to get a specific key for the infected machine?

      In the first key someone will most likely find the key in the virus code, in the second case it's BAD. Sure the NSA can break a 1024 RSA key if they have to, but I haven't heard of a "simple" commercial tool to do it. Except they used RSA (asymmetric) encryption. The encryption key is not the same as the decryption key. So even if someone dug through the source and found the encryption key, it would be useless for decrypting. Lets just hope the virus writer generates the keys using an unpatched version of Debian or Ubuntu :)
    41. Re:Anti-Malware Response by spazdor · · Score: 1

      Nah. The virus has a universal public key A. It generates a new random symmetric key B, then encrypts your hard drive with B. Then it uses A to encrypt B, yielding A(B), and throws B away.

      Give the victim A(B), with instructions to include that ciphertext with the blackmail money. The attacker then decrypts it with his private key, recovering B. B is provided to the victim, who can then decrypt his files.

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    42. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theoretically a quantum computer can factor in linear time, but it appears that with current technology, qubits themselves don't scale linearly. We're pretty safe for a while yet.

    43. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      erm.. 400 times faster. Half a billion dollars at retail price minus volume discount plus integration and overhead: 412 petaflops. Incidentally the fastest official supercomputer is about four petaflops.

    44. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Brute force, they would have to do the whole thing again. Merely having a table (a very very long one) doesn't mean much without running the whole thing again.

      If they break, or find an exploit, in the algorithm though, then it would be much easier.

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    45. Re:Anti-Malware Response by pclminion · · Score: 1

      are you fucking serious?

      No -- I was (pretty obviously) being sarcastic. But congrats on making an ass of yourself.

    46. Re:Anti-Malware Response by LunarCrisis · · Score: 1

      I wonder if there will be tools / services that would be able to hammer at (or otherwise crack) the 1024-bit encryption and find the key. Does anyone know how bad this might be from a computational-power standpoint? You don't even know that it's encrypted; the virus could just replace the file with random data. Unless he's actually planning to give people something for their money (fat chance) you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
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    47. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Kobun · · Score: 1

      Current hardware vs. future hypothetical hardware, some things are just damn big problems no matter what you throw at it. As an example: Populate a ZFS file system to totally full.

      Summary: For our current and immediately foreseeable technology, filling a 128-bit file system requires more energy than we could harness. For a very long time to come, there will be no computer that we will seriously imagine that could accomplish the task.

      http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/date/20040925#128_bit_storage_are_you

    48. Re:Anti-Malware Response by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      At 128-bits, assuming the algorithm does not have a weakness, a brute force attack takes longer than the age of the universe.

      That's of course assuming that you don't stumble on the key very early on. What if by chance your brute force attack chose the correct key on the third try?

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    49. Re:Anti-Malware Response by LeafOnTheWind · · Score: 1

      There may be a possibility of a Side channel attack. Also, as you may know, the recent RSA recommendation is for at least a 2048-bit key. Of course, I tend to think that's just being cautious... Might as well use 2048 bit though.

    50. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they request some information with the payment this version must also have the same key for every computer. Otherwise there's no way for them to know the key themselves if every computer has a specific key.

    51. Re:Anti-Malware Response by HonIsCool · · Score: 1

      The probability that you will find the key on the third is something like 1 in 9*10^-39. This is many orders of magnitude less likely than that I would win the lottery, every week for the rest of my life...

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    52. Re:Anti-Malware Response by sudog · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Crypto-virology (because that's what this is) only requires public key crypto. Can you break RSA? Good luck getting your data back. Either pay up for the private key, or you're screwed.

    53. Re:Anti-Malware Response by WK2 · · Score: 1

      "At 128-bits, assuming the algorithm does not have a weakness, a brute force attack takes longer than the age of the universe. The amount of power that such an attack would require is also quite staggering.

      At 256-bits, brute-forcing would require being able to harness the entire output of a star (or stars) to power the computer needed to complete the task."

      See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_numbers#RSA-100 On a fast computer, it takes a few days to crack RSA-100, which is 330 bits. Guess how long it takes to crack open your session with your bank, which probably uses only uses 128 bits? 128-bit was never a part of the RSA challenge because it is ridiculously weak. It would probably take minutes, or maybe hours on a modern computer. Unlike banks though, this guy used 1024-bit encryption, which would be difficult, but not impossible to crack.

      Note that when I say "crack" I don't mean that a flaw in RSA itself has been found. I mean that RSA, by its nature, requires a long key length, and short lengths are easily brute forced.

      You were probably thinking of symmetric encryption. 128 bits of symmetric encryption is enough for now. Symmetric encryption wouldn't work so well for this type of attack though, because the key would be a part of the virus.

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    54. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      The mafia (not the MAFIAA, the real mafia) should provide an illegal equivalent of class action. Basically all the victims of this dude should be able to pay into a fund. Then, paid by this fund, Tony "DiMaggio" Gotti would visit the him with his baseball bat and beat the answer out of him.

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    55. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Or the extortionist could take your money via some offshore anonymous bank account and send you a random number. Or nothing, safer since he can't be tracked.

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    56. Re:Anti-Malware Response by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Or SuperCryptMan who is able to find weaknesses in popular methods of generating RSA keys, OR the actual symmetric keys[1] used to encrypt the data.

      [1]Some software may ask you to wiggle your mouse etc when generating your public keys, but they don't do it for every message (where symmetric crypto is usually used), so that 128 or 256 bit key that's used might actually have a far more limited keyspace.

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    57. Re:Anti-Malware Response by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      You don't even know that it's encrypted; the virus could just replace the file with random data. Unless he's actually planning to give people something for their money (fat chance) you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference I agree 100%. There is no incentive for the virus writer to ever have any more contact with the victim, assuming they have a way to anonymously pick up the money Now they may try to pull some kind of Nigerian scam instead, you know, send us your bank account number, and we will send you the key. But just like Nigerian scams involving splitting big money with you, the thing the victim wants doesn't exist at all.
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    58. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then they could use DMCA against you for breaking their encryption.

      And sue you for piracy, since you were only licensed one copy of that key.

      Hmm... maybe they can use DRM on that key.

    59. Re:Anti-Malware Response by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      You must be quite an optimist...

    60. Re:Anti-Malware Response by spazdor · · Score: 1

      That too. Possibly, word would get around that the virus writer didn't make good on his promise, and the payments would slow to a trickle pretty quick.

      What I want to know is whether he could automate the process using botnet access. A zillion machines an a zillion IP addresses carrying out the blackmail correspondence, opening themselves PayPal accounts, laundering cash at poker sites, depositing into the author's Swiss account.

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    61. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571

      "Luciano Bello discovered that the random number generator in Debian's openssl package is predictable. This is caused by an incorrect Debian-specific change to the openssl package (CVE-2008-0166). As a result, cryptographic key material may be guessable."

    62. Re:Anti-Malware Response by stinerman · · Score: 1

      As others have said, that scenario is prohibitively unlikely.

      I recall during my senior research in crypto that if you take all the computers in the world and dedicate them to do nothing other than brute forcing a 256-bit algorithm, the sun would go nova long before you checked a small fraction of the key space.

    63. Re:Anti-Malware Response by dctomlinson · · Score: 1

      Uh, if 1024-bit RSA was broken, the world of encryption security would collapse (at least for the short term). Could it happen? Sure, it's possible. Will it happen in time to save your pr0n collection? Highly unlikely.

      For one thing, compromise of RSA encryption would render SSL useless.

      Uhhh,wrong. From his comment, the scum only had a single public/private key pair. Once you get the private key, all encrypted files would be decryptable. No one cracked RSA (i.e. broke the algorithm) Oh, and another thing....RSA is a (only one) company that provides cryptographic libraries, software and services. SSL is not dependent upon RSA algorithms, as other algorithms can be used. Not a strong linkage between RSA and SSL, so please don't act as though they are the same...or even linked strongly.
    64. Re:Anti-Malware Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, if 1024-bit RSA was broken, the world of encryption security would collapse (at least for the short term). Could it happen? Sure, it's possible. Will it happen in time to save your pr0n collection? Highly unlikely.



      For one thing, compromise of RSA encryption would render SSL useless.

      Breaking one RSA key is not at all the same thing as breaking RSA, all it means is for that piece of encrypted data you tried every possible key and found the one that worked.
  3. LET'S HOPE SO by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously. In order for extortion to work, money has to change hands. Money can be traced, easily (don't believe what they say about Western Union). This is a great way to track down and capture the people who are spreading the virus. And the people whose files are encrypted could as easily have seen those files deleted, or worse. So it's no difference to them, except that they now have a hand in putting a crook behind bars.

    The virus tossers are actually making their situation worse by turning to extortion. But they weren't all that bright to start with.

    1. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by frosty_tsm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What happens when the virus writer is in another country? What if that country doesn't care?

    2. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Osurak · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nah, the scammers will just route it through some mule, like they do with the stuff they buy through credit card fraud.

    3. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That gave me the idea of using already compromised, but as of yet unreported, identities for this. Or in slashdot lingo:

      1. Steal identity
      2. Use stolen identity as extortion virus drop point
      3. ????
      4. PROFIT!

    4. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by gnuman99 · · Score: 1

      Unless they withdraw the cash by some mule, they will be recorded and/or traced. Maybe if they wire money to some 3rd world country and pay off corruption personnel, I mean police.

    5. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they withdraw the cash by some mule, they will be recorded and/or traced.
      That's why they use mules to withdraw the cash. Mules are easy to find and hardly worth arresting.
    6. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Penguinisto · · Score: 1
      The mule has to send the dough somewhere... and the trail picks up from there. Not saying it's always guaranteed an ultimate end, but money laundering always gets to the point of diminishing returns for the scammer after x number of middlemen, so the money trail usually isn't too gawdawful long or convoluted. Otherwise the scammer would be making less than a half-penny on the dollar (or Euro, or...?)



      The rest just depends on how badly the law agency in question wants to track down the ultimate destination of said money.


      Like I said - not perfect, but more often than not, it's pretty easy to pick up the scammer, or at least find out who he/she is. The only real variable is how much time the scammer has to get enough returns to make it profitable, then bug the hell out before the law catches up to him/her.

      /P

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    7. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by brit74 · · Score: 1

      "In order for extortion to work, money has to change hands. Money can be traced, easily..."

      I don't know, but it seems to work for Nigerian scams (okay, they ask for you banking information), apartment scams (I'll send you a fake cashiers check, you "send me back" some of that money via Western Union), and also dating scams (I need money for a plane ticket to come see you). It seems to work in those cases.

    8. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by kesuki · · Score: 1

      no, they hire 12 year old kids to act as runners.

      if a 12 year old runs up to the bank where the money was wired, has all the paperwork to get the money, and then runs through a series of streets faster than any cop could dream of running (even in a 3rd world country) to hand off the envelope to someone they never even saw, who manages the kids makes sure they're too dumb to check the envelopes they get at the bank etc, or perhaps the kids themselves are too afraid of being shot to not do exactly as told, etc...

      seriously, they use kids for a lot of criminal activity, there is nothing illegal about a kid handing over a signed piece of paper and getting their money from the bank... there are 2 big advantages, even those countries where the US has forced laws on the books, kids generally are immune, after all they basically are in the US anyways, and the lawmakers of these countries know this, so they can play both sides by making laws only apply to adults..

      so yeah, getting back bank wires, even trying to trace them to anyone 'but a child' is unlikely...

    9. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Seriously. In order for extortion to work, money has to change hands. Whether or not money changes hands, extortion is extortion. It still "works" if the element of intimidation is intact, and I'm pretty sure its a far more serious crime than developing malware.
    10. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I can't offer you anything but my word (due to NDAs) that the WU deal works. You can't get a lot of money out of one transaction (even they finally imposed some limit where they require an ID, I think it was 6000 USD), but if you want your victim to pay more, just have him pay twice.

      Not to mention that 6k is already a fair lot of money, especially when your target is a private person. Usually, the money asked is a lot less so people actually pay instead of weep and wipe.

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    11. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Duncan+Blackthorne · · Score: 1

      Then send your cash liberally coated with anthrax powder.

    12. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by ulash · · Score: 1

      Actually it is not even certain you can track the money *inside the US*. A few years back a friend of mine got swindled on EBay - instead of a laptop, he received an empty box. He tried contacting the seller but there was no response. The price was more than a thousand dollars and EBay's guarantee covered only a small part of that. It turns out he also mailed a cashier's check which made the process much harder to deal with. He contacted the local police who in turn contacted FBI. We even managed to track down the guy's bank and got information about the account through some social engineering ourselves but ultimately nothing came out of it. It turns out the "seller" just moves around opening/closing accounts with different names and uses PO Boxes.

    13. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      What happens when the virus writer is in another country? What if that country doesn't care?
      Then they probably won't care when I spend 1000 times the amount of the attempted extortion to fly over there and beat the extortionist to death.

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    14. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's a muslim-populated country, then they're just asking for it.

    15. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but criminals don't use Western Union. They'd have a numbered bank account in some tax haven. You pay into that and then they log in and transfer the money somewhere else and close the account. Even if a government could force the tax haven's authorities to force to bank to give you information, they might not have any to give you at that point. In fact if you wanted this sort of service from a bank, one of the things you'd insist on was that they don't have any way of knowing who you are.

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    16. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Money can be traced, easily


      Which is how we tossed all of the Nigerian scam operators behind bars. And now that we're safe from that menace, I can conduct my business with helping Prince Immagonnascamya transfer his millions in peace.
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    17. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So instead of refuting the argument that western union provides an essentially anonymous service, you simply claim they are untrue without providing any kind of evidence.

      In honor of your failure I declare myself the Pope.

    18. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never stopped America before..

    19. Re:LET'S HOPE SO by blair1q · · Score: 1

      It only works because the victim complies without involving the authorities. In that case, the extortionist could collect the money while having coffee with the victim in the lobby of the White House and not be caught.

      But if the victim knows enough to involve the authorities, all of those means can be traced.

      The point is, virus writers up to now have been random vandals using an ultimately untraceable medium (the Internet) to make hit-and-run attacks. Since they now WANT your money to FIND THEM, you can now FIND THEM by following your money, by enlisting the help of the people who are empowered to do the following, apprehending, convicting, and PUNISHING.

  4. Is this the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this a look into the future where the majority of malware will function based on extortion?

    I don't know! Stop asking me those questions all the time. Is it obligatory to end every blurb with a question, or what?

    1. Re:Is this the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I wonder, wasn't that just a rhetorical question?

    2. Re:Is this the future? by DriedClexler · · Score: 3, Funny

      Goddamnit, who keeps sending self-aware chatbots to access Slashdot?

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    3. Re:Is this the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point of ending Slashdot articles with questions is that Slashdot is not a news site. It's a news DISCUSSION site. By adding the questions, they point the discussion, creating a 'nucleation' site for such discussions to form.

      Either that, or they think it makes good filler.

      Time will tell!

    4. Re:Is this the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder, wasn't that just a rhetorical question?

      No, it was not?

    5. Re:Is this the future? by $random_var · · Score: 1

      I don't know! Stop asking me those questions all the time. Is it obligatory to end every blurb with a question, or what?

      What are you asking ME for??
    6. Re:Is this the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asking leading questions to promote fear and thus pageviews is more plausibly deniable than making wild baseless assertions. That's the same reason political campaigns and special-interest-groups use "push-polling" to implant false ideas in the polled's minds, is it not? =)

  5. They think they're pretty clever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The fundamental problems with hairbrained schemes like these is that the money has to change hands somehow, and there's a fundamental trust issue. First, if money gets transferred to you then you are susceptible to being caught.

    The trust issue is that there is fundamentally no reason for the person receiving the money to follow through and send you the private keys to decrypt the data. If it was a known person, they'd be arrested, and since they're unknown there is no "reputational" factor that would make people more likely to pay based on the experience of others.

    Just another moron criminal scheme from some douchebag who thinks he's found a get rich scheme. Just like other "genius" criminals, the fact is that the professionals in the field are smarter than the criminals.

    1. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by tahuti · · Score: 1
      It would be easy to tweak business model.
      1. Make virus creator tookit
      2. Spread it, let other people create virus
      3. Open company that sells virus removal/decryptor
    2. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by giminy · · Score: 1

      The model kind of reminds of spam.

      The cost of distributing the virus is microscopic. If even a few people pay the ransom, the virus writer makes a very good return on their investment. In the end, it is probably worthwhile in the same way that spam is worthwhile (it makes a fair amount of money).

      As with spam, the originator is unknown and unable to build a reputation. In the case of spam, the spammer will be blocked by mail servers if they use a common identity, so they end up purporting to be fictitious people. This doesn't seem to present a problem for the spammer, though, because there are enough gullible people "out there."

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    3. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I think you need to brush up on your PR skills, or if that's too non-geeky then game theory of repeated games. Yes, the money part is right but look at it from the hacker's side. If he doesn't send the key, he's not going to make more money off him (fool me once, shame on me etc.), if he does send the key there's hardly no risk (sending a key anonymously is infinitely easier than getting the money) but he can get free PR and "trust". How do you get that? Well because of posts like "OMG my thesis was hacked and encrypted but I paid them and I got it back, OMG I'm so happy now!!!!!!!!!!!" Sure you can try to astroturf but this is easier with verifiable stories by real people. Face it, many people would be completely desperate if their documents were encrypted and all they'd need was a ray of hope to jump at the chance to get it back. The problem is the money, not the "trust".

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    4. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by linal · · Score: 1

      corrected it for you

      1. Make virus creator tookit
      2. Spread it, let other people create virus
      3. Open company that sells virus removal/decryptor
      4. PROFIT

    5. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by kesuki · · Score: 1

      "First, if money gets transferred to you then you are susceptible to being caught."

      Runners, Mules, and Hostile governments (against 'developed nations') all can add a 'layer' of security Vs being caught. If you live in DC, go to a nice crack neighborhood find some 'hungry looking' kids tell them for $100 a month if they run 'notes' to the bank, and bring back the 'envelopes' while either wearing a disguise, so they can't identify you or whatever, you got yourself a nice bunch of runners who even if they get caught, couldn't identify you, and will only go to juvenile hall, where they'll get fed better than by mommy crack addict, they got no down side man no down side.

      "since they're unknown there is no "reputational" factor that would make people more likely to pay based on the experience of others."

      aliases, aliases, and fronts. what if they have a website, in iran, what if, other people have 'reported' getting their data back? on a highly page ranked forum? there is no reason why a (false) reputation can't be 'generated' to make people believe they'll get their data back. if you Do give them their data back, there is a possibility of 'repeat' sales... some people are retarded when it comes to security, they think mcaffe will protect them, then 3 months later, you hit them again, same scam... then again 3 months later, you just keep hitting that money tree til someone tells them to get ubuntu. If you're smart you give them 1 time fixes for the extortion. that's what they call a 'Protection racket.'

      "the fact is that the professionals in the field are smarter than the criminals."

      Seriously you believe this? have you any idea of how hard a polymorphic rootkit is to detect and remove from a windows system? I'll give you a hint, there are 0 programs for windows that can detect a polymorphic root kit by signatures or heuristics. you need a protected boot environment (removable media, linux, etc) to even detect the file changes of a polymorphic rootkit.

      and then, only a system that can verify the integrity of system files can even come close to trying to remove or repair a system hit by a polymorphic rootkit. the easiest way is to reformat, from removable media. today's polymorphic rootkits infect the 'special partition' that oh so many OEMS create for reformatting windows using 'slipstreaming' technology. sad but true, but at least most OEMs let you create dvd-r 'media' from that partition, while it's still 'new'

      criminals don't have to be 'smarter' than security professionals as long as Microsoft is the 'gatekeeper' putting in the locks.

      it's like comparing the security of a 'padlock' you got in a carton of cereal here that microsoft gives us, to the bank vault that linux gives us here

    6. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by hkz · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, but what would you do if all your valuable files were suddenly unbreakably encrypted? Decide it's not worth it because you can't trust the guy on the other side, or clamp to the only straw you have? I wouldn't say I'd do it, but I understand the folks who'd take the odds.

    7. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by Excelcia · · Score: 1

      What do you think anti-virus companies do?

    8. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      If you live in DC, go to a nice crack neighborhood find some 'hungry looking' kids tell them for $100 a month if they run 'notes' to the bank, and bring back the 'envelopes' while either wearing a disguise, so they can't identify you or whatever, you got yourself a nice bunch of runners who even if they get caught, couldn't identify you, and will only go to juvenile hall, where they'll get fed better than by mommy crack addict, they got no down side man no down side. All the best business plans involve handing out $100 a month to crack addicts.

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    9. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by Gnavpot · · Score: 1

      What do you think anti-virus companies do?

      Whoosh
    10. Re:They think they're pretty clever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not the addicts, their kids, addicts have kids you know, kids are the best runners, because nothing short of murder sticks to them.

      i mean if they hide the money from mommy they can buy all the food they could want at the local c-store... you have to understand that crack addicts who qualify for food stamps are using them illegally to score more crack, not to feed their kids. even if they got to school, they only get 2 meals a day at school (if they know they can get breakfast etc..)

  6. This has been done before by mrbill1234 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This same thing happened in the late 80's (or maybe early 90's). Some hackers mailed a 5.25 inch floppy with some "free" software on it to thousands of people around the world. When you installed the software, it would hijack your PC and encrypt various files and you had to pay a ransom to get it back. There was a EULA and everything with the disk (which of course nobody read) which made it clear what would happen if you installed the disk. Perhaps someone can remember what it was called.

    1. Re:This has been done before by mrbill1234 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ok, I googled it:

      The Aids information disk:

      http://www.jahewi.nl/malware/ransomware/ransomware.html

    2. Re:This has been done before by Daimanta · · Score: 5, Funny

      MS-DOS 6.22

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    3. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It was called *$&&^$(VG(^I^, now pay up for the decrypted name.

    4. Re:This has been done before by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Informative

      This was done recently, perhaps two or three years ago. I believe it encrypted everything in My Documents and asked for payment to unencrypt it. Turns out they used the same key every time. Article from 2006 here.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5038330.stm

      The magic key is:

      mf2lro8sw03ufvnsq034jfowr18f3cszc20vmw

    5. Re:This has been done before by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps someone can remember what it was called.

      America On Line?

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    6. Re:This has been done before by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Do people still keep stuff in "My documents?". Ya'd think that after all of the very public worms, viruses, malware, and phoning-home that people would learn to make their own "My Stuff" folder(if not regularly back up and/or encrypt their important data).

    7. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just moved the "My documents" folder to a different place on my hard drive. They'll never find it then!

    8. Re:This has been done before by darkgemini333 · · Score: 1

      I thought that was AOL...

    9. Re:This has been done before by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      I dont know whether you're being sarcastic or not, but that might be all you need to do to save your stuff. I doubt that the malware would search (or encrypt all but the system folder on)your entire drive just to get at your sekrit folder when they could get enough from the suckers who put their important data in the default windows "my documents".

    10. Re:This has been done before by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why shouldn't malware just walk down your directory tree and encrypt everything with a .doc, .xls and .jpg extension? It's not like searching your file system takes long.

      And some already do that. They do, so far, abstain from tampering with your .avi and .mp3 collection, because you might notice it (they tend to be a lot larger than pics and docs). So don't worry, your pr0n movies and your music is safe. For now.

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    11. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wasn't it called Norton antivirus? Never could get rid of that thing...

    12. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Platforms have standards for a reason. Windows 98's file hierarchy is no good solution to malware.

    13. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My stuff is everywhere but My Documents.

    14. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No "My Documents" folder here. Its just called "Documents", although $HOME is quite acceptable too.

    15. Re:This has been done before by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 1

      Well..the same kind of people who still use something as odd as Microsoft Windows, for example.

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    16. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I keep my data in C:\DATA. Very convenient :)

    17. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, at last, I can unencrypt my pr0n.

    18. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The magic key is:

      mf2lro8sw03ufvnsq034jfowr18f3cszc20vmw THank you!
    19. Re:This has been done before by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Do people still keep stuff in "/home/username". Ya'd think that after all of the very public worms, viruses, malware, and phoning-home that people would learn to make their own "/var/user_files/.super_sekrit" folder(if not regularly back up and/or encrypt their important data).

    20. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bill? is that you?

    21. Re:This has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not to mention the nasty shock you get when you "repair" a windows installation and suddenly "My Documents" is empty. Thanks Bill, Steve and all the team at MS for really thinking through your product and making sure that your customers are not in for any nasty surprises.

      Thank goodness for file recovery software...

  7. I glad by notthepainter · · Score: 1

    At least know the owners of bot controlled machines will have a clue that their machines are bot controlled. And maybe we'll see fewer bot controlled machines.

    One can only hope.

    1. Re:I glad by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nope. Well, not directly. Ransomware is rarely connected with botnets. Simply because, well, the first and foremost thing you want from your sheep is that they don't notice being your zombie. Something that's pretty hard to do when you're trying to extort.

      But one thing is likely, that the target audience for either has a fairly big overlapping area. So maybe we're lucky.

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  8. The future? Maybe the past... by Mozk · · Score: 1

    Have people not heard of this before? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it's not like this is new.

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  9. Only an idiot doesn't backup. by pclminion · · Score: 1

    If you back up regularly (and if you don't, what the hell are you thinking -- hard drives last forever?) then this is a non-issue. Yawn.

    1. Re:Only an idiot doesn't backup. by LukEluk · · Score: 1

      Backup's not even necessary... modern file systems will let you roll back to the previous version of a file. And I bet most users don't even care loosing a file. How big is the chance that a file that you absolutely can't miss gets encrypted?

    2. Re:Only an idiot doesn't backup. by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 1

      huh? HDDs don't last forever, you can't argue with that.

      What "modern file systems" are you talking about? Bundling rollback inside a filesystem is one of the stupidest things that could be done to fs. How many inodes would that eat up after a year, especially since some temporary files change hundreds times per day? Version control software and/or backups are designed for this purpose - and are filesystem agnostic (work with whatever fs suits your needs).

      Personally I like the idea of such a virus, it could become another nail to the coffin of some certain woefully insecure OS.

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    3. Re:Only an idiot doesn't backup. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bundling rollback inside a filesystem is one of the stupidest things that could be done to fs. Ok, you're right that the GP is stupid -- no filesystem a desktop user runs will have that transparent rollback. The closest might be "volume shadow copy", but I think that has to be done explicitly for every change you want to record.

      But seriously, have you looked at FUSE lately? There's a filesystem for everything... And, historically, there are log-structured filesystems, which can, indeed, roll back any change that hasn't already been overwritten. That approach has nothing to do with inodes -- in fact, not all filesystems even have inodes.

      A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

      Version control software and/or backups are designed for this purpose - and are filesystem agnostic (work with whatever fs suits your needs). As a philosophy, yes, they're FS agnostic. In reality, it depends very much on which you choose. What you probably want is incremental backups -- version control is nice, too, but it's mostly to protect you from yourself.
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    4. Re:Only an idiot doesn't backup. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      What "modern file systems" are you talking about? Bundling rollback inside a filesystem is one of the stupidest things that could be done to fs. For example ZFS with copy-on-write means it's the easiest thing in the world to have rollbacks - just don't mark it as free. It's actually a very modern design.

      How many inodes would that eat up after a year, especially since some temporary files change hundreds times per day? Well, if you did register all changes you could prune out some, to for example once a day. A smart file system won't store the files many times, only pointers to them so it wouldn't cost much with static data.

      I actually think this is far more elegant than having separate software to do this - rewind to a snapshot of the past, copy the accidentally deleted file into the present, done. Backups can be done by sending snapshots to other machines which means you don't need separate backup software. The only crappy thing is that ZFS isn't licensed under the GPL but under CDDL which is incompatible with Linux. It's one of the areas where I think the Linux offerings are clearly inferior to OpenSolaris - too bad there's so many other things I find better about Linux.

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    5. Re:Only an idiot doesn't backup. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Backup's not even necessary... modern file systems will let you roll back to the previous version of a file.

      Hardware does fail, in the past 10 years I've had to replace 6 harddisk drives. Two failed within the first year, so they were still under warranty. I don't recall or know the manufacturer of them, but the other 4 were Maxtor, Seagate, and Western Digital.

      And I bet most users don't even care loosing a file.

      I certainly did. I had a 750GB HDD for a second drive that held the user documents, and it had less than 200GB of free space left. The PC died so I took it in, it was still under warranty. The techs said the mobo had to be replaced, and Linux reinstalled, it came with Linux preinstalled. I specifically told the tech not to format the second drive but to set it as the user's home directory. I found how after bringing it home it was reformatted anyway. Now as I didn't have backups, it would have taken more than 100 disks to backup everything using DVD disks and I couldn't afford an external drive at the tyme, I haven't used the drive since then and want to use an unformat and recover program to save the data.

      Falcon
    6. Re:Only an idiot doesn't backup. by LukEluk · · Score: 1

      Thanks... Looks like at least some folks out there are up-to-date. The thread confuses the threat of extorsion malware with why one needs to take backups.

  10. This is why backups are good by Drinking+Bleach · · Score: 1

    The virus can't encrypt the files stored on a DVD-R :)

    Although since I use Linux, I'm still too lazy/dumb to follow the backup advice (and trust me, I've been hit badly before simply for having no recent backups, no lectures needed).

    1. Re:This is why backups are good by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This will probably be seen as flamebait, but using Linux makes you no more or less susceptible to data loss. Only the time and expense of recovery differs.

      And not as much as it would seem.

      ps - this is why I have three copies of everything important to me and my wife, in two different locations, rarely more than 2 days out. She doesn't question me about this for a few weeks after she askes "Honey, I can't find........". She still doesn't understand about 12 years of email archives... Go figure.

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    2. Re:This is why backups are good by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Informative
      Not 100% sure... In theory you;re correct (that is, no OS is 100% safe from such a thing), but in practice, it would be almost trivial to defend against. It wouldn't take much to rig a partition full of vital stuff as read-only, then carefully going over any data you want backed up to it once a week or so (remount it read-write for long enough to do the backup, then remount it back to read-only. No sweat. You still have that window of opportunity, but you'll likely find out that your non-protected data got horked long before you open your archives to back things up to 'em).


      Also, this is one of the benefits of a journaling filesystem (or in OSX, "Time Machine"), among other things. Roll it back, and *poof* - no more encrypted files.

      /P

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    3. Re:This is why backups are good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it can overwrite stuff backed up on external drives when you cannot afford more than one copy of your data.

  11. !_READ_ME_!.txt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give us one million dollars or you never see C:\WINDOWS\system32\sol.exe again!!!

    1. Re:!_READ_ME_!.txt by Jor-Al · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      [darth vader voice]nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo[/darth vader voice]

  12. All your dataz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Joe User: Someone set us up the encryption. We get no data. Readme file turn on.
    Jack Hacker: How are you gentlemen? All your data are belong to us.

    1. Re:All your dataz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are you gentlemen? All your data are belong to us. Ha ha ha.
    2. Re:All your dataz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Joe User: Someone set up us the encryption. We get no data. Readme file turn on.
      Jack Hacker: How are you gentlemen? All your data are belong to us.
  13. Gonna be ok by Joebert · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not going to worry about this.
    I'm sure the fine folks of our Government are watching everything that happens on my computer & will promptly decrypt my files for me using their built-in back doors.

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  14. I got infected by this virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My computer was infected by this virus... luckily all my files were already encrypted so all it did was make plain-text versions of everything and leave me a file asking for a donation

    1. Re:I got infected by this virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      My computer was infected by this virus... luckily all my files were already encrypted so all it did was make plain-text versions of everything and leave me a file asking for a donation You're lucky! I got hit by this one half-way through encrypting my files. My files were replaced with Rick Astley MP3s and the Salvation Army stormed my house S.W.A.T style and "liberated" me of 15 bucks.

      But hey...Once I get my 1.8 million dollars from Mr. Naja Tambo, Executive Accountant with the South Africa Department of Mining & Natural Resources, I can buy new files. Thanks Naja!
    2. Re:I got infected by this virus by treeves · · Score: 1

      What- they were all ROT13'd and the virus ROT13'd 'em again? Lame.

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    3. Re:I got infected by this virus by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      Shit dude, I'd donate. If somebody seriously could decrypt an arbitrary file they'd be a god (aside from us all being fucked)

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    4. Re:I got infected by this virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you encrypted them with rot13?

    5. Re:I got infected by this virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you encrypt your files with ROT13?

    6. Re:I got infected by this virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess, you're is Soviet Russia, right?

    7. Re:I got infected by this virus by arhhook · · Score: 1

      My friend got pretty lucky, it hit his My Music folder and everything ended up VBR mp3's. He is now locked inside his house for a while waiting for the RIAA to show up. I wish him luck.

    8. Re:I got infected by this virus by wunderbarb · · Score: 1

      I do not understand your statement. If you have been hit by the virus, then RSA would encrypt your already encrypted files. RSA is asymmetric crypto, thus to make it a clear text it would need to use your personal private key (if you would have used RSA). Thus impossible. Even, if it would use symmetric crypto, and you also, then it would need to use your symmetric key. ???

    9. Re:I got infected by this virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get real

    10. Re:I got infected by this virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Nice workaround.

  15. I know who is behind this scam.... by zappepcs · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe it will not surprise you to know that Geek Squad is behind this scam. They will never try to collect extortion money as their real target revenue is the 65 dollar check-up fee they will get when consumers bring their computers in to find out what has gone wrong. Of course, the fee is higher if you don't have extended warranty, or if you installed your own antivirus software.

    Of course I could be wrong.... but it's a thought

    1. Re:I know who is behind this scam.... by Aliotroph · · Score: 1

      Funny thing about that. I used to work for Dell On Call. We did similar stuff, but only over the phone and through GoToAssist. Had a government employee from a state dept. of education call and accuse Dell of loading computers full of viruses and porn so we could use DOC to extort money from people. He refused to believe kids at school could find porn on the net. I wish he had gone through with the threats he'd made. Would have made funny news. He ended up taking the free option that time and going for an image restore on about five machines. The best part of the whole mess was when he let it slip that a bunch of them had sat down in a meeting and come to this conclusion. Near impossible to keep a straight face through that one.

      On the plus side, selling support to people who had already called the Geek Squad was easy. "They charged me $300 to tell me there was a virus and they wanted another $300 to fix it!" "Well, for $239 we'd fix it on up to four machines, or four times on one machine..."

      Hmm, seems the Candian Geek Squad site has links to online malware scanners.

  16. Bravo by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Viruses up to date have been using conventional encryption, with the obvious problem that the key is found in the virus. If only general population improves their computer literacy in proportion to malware writers, headlines such as this one will become the thing of the past.

    I am however disappointed that the author used only 1024 bit key length, which is no longer recognized as unconditionally secure. Hopefully he or she at least generated a secure random seed for the key pair.

    1. Re:Bravo by v1 · · Score: 1

      The key to decrypt the data does not need to be in the virus. And each person's machine could be encrypted with a different randomly generated key, transmitted to the attacker. Even if someone did eventually break the key, it would only help one victim.

      Even if the key is static, I'd be counting on the fraudster to be rolling up a new key every two weeks along with the latest bugfixes and enhancements to the worm.

      The large botnets are currently using signatures on their C&C traffic to prevent their botnet from being hijacked (or ordered to self-destruct, etc) and they are using high bitcount also. If there ever was a target for cracking, don't you think that would be it, and we'd truly know if mass efforts to defeat a single strong key were practical?

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  17. Cryptovirus by kvezach · · Score: 1

    This sounds like a straightforward implementation of cryptoviral extortion. Hopefully, the authors made some stupid mistake (like using the same key everywhere, or encrypting the data directly instead of doing it indirectly through a symmetric crypto key).

    Still, the basic strategy remains viable, so the best opposing strategy would be to harden systems. Unix permissions won't help you here, since you usually have rights to write or alter permissions to stuff in your home directory. Backups would work (but only if you didn't change anything after the last backup), and so would default sandboxing/fine-grained security, or just not running suspicious apps (which amounts to a sort of "whitelist based security" where whatever not on the list gets zero privileges).

  18. Yeah, sure, *that'll* work.. by Duncan+Blackthorne · · Score: 5, Insightful
    *ransom note received composed of random letters clipped from newspaper*

    "We have encrypted your illegally copied music files. Put $5000 in unmarked bills in a plain brown paper sack and mail it to: RIAA Washington, D.C. no later than midnight tonight or you'll never listen to your music again"

    ..but seriously, folks, this starts to sound like some sort of wierd 419 scam. They're not going to decypt your files even if you pay them, and I'll bet you a whole DOLLAR that if you're stupid enough to contact them, they accept only CREDIT CARDS as payment. Chances are that the data isn't even really encrypted, it's just plain overwritten and GONE, copied over with gobbledegook random data, and you'll just get your identity stolen on top of never getting your files back. On the other hand they think they're being really clever, I'm sure, and the ones that think they're clever are usually the ones that get caught quickly and go to jail for a long, long time.

    1. Re:Yeah, sure, *that'll* work.. by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      Depends on the virus, I'd guess. But yeah, there are actual ransomware trojans out there. One of the earlier posters gave a link. On the other hand, you might well have been hit by the trojan after the payment system was closed (IE someone put a trace on the paypal account and 'joe doesn't live here any more').

    2. Re:Yeah, sure, *that'll* work.. by Duncan+Blackthorne · · Score: 1

      Eeek, that would suck! You'd be completely hosed with little chance of recovery!

    3. Re:Yeah, sure, *that'll* work.. by anubi · · Score: 1
      This entire discussion chronicles just *why* I demand standard protocols from businesses on the web.

      Believe it or not, there are still clueless executive types that pay good money to webmasters who have the audacity to use proprietary formats, then expect people like me to download their proprietary player to view or hear the content.

      When enough people get burned with hostile code, businesses using nonstandard protocols will be viewed with as much suspicion as a man wearing a ski mask entering a bank.

      Today's prolific denials of responsibility via EULA's sickens me and highly discourages my participation in modern business methods of conducting transactions via the net.

      I have better sense than wear a ski mask in a bank.

      I look forward to the day when businesses have the skills to be able to use standard public protocols.

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  19. Can't wait for the criminal trials... by argent · · Score: 1

    Oh, this is going to be rich. These guys have read too much William Gibson. Unless the whole thing is a Joe-job trying to get some innocent (ish) third party in trouble, these folks are going to find it pretty damn hard to collect any money without being traced, and this is more than commonly illegal.

  20. If they have a bagged copy of the virus by earthforce_1 · · Score: 1

    They can reverse engineer it, find out how it generates the encryption keys and reverse the algorithm - and crank out a utility that does it automatically. (Assuming it doesn't just write randomized data into the _CRYPT file and sucker you into sending them $ in hope of recovering what you lost, but at least then they would know the file is unrecoverable)

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    1. Re:If they have a bagged copy of the virus by ettlz · · Score: 1

      Better off trying to get hold of the attacker-supplied decryptor and then publishing the private key within it. Then again, it might just write noise.

    2. Re:If they have a bagged copy of the virus by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      They can reverse engineer it, find out how it generates the encryption keys and reverse the algorithm - and crank out a utility that does it automatically.

      Wrong. It uses PK. The virus doesn't "generate" a key; it uses a embedded key to encrypt, and that key has been "bagged" but is useless.

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  21. Major weak link--Yahoo.com e-mail address... by BUL2294 · · Score: 1

    If you look at the screen prints from the article, the stupid author decided to use a "@yahoo.com" e-mail address. Call me crazy but Yahoo is probably already monitoring that e-mail box after the AV vendors let them know--long before any $$$ changes hands.

    Unfortunately, 2 years from now, some poor soul will get bit by this... By then the Yahoo e-mail address will be long-dead, and the key might still be known only to the author...

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  22. Mod parent way the frig up! by Penguinisto · · Score: 1
    Seriously - any business worth a damn is going to have backups (the ones that don't? they kinda deserve it IMHO...)



    Home users have CD/DVD-R's, external disk backups, stuff stashed across multiple machines, System Restore, Time Machine (wait... OSX isn't affected by this, ne'ermind), things of that nature.


    I suspect the script kiddies know this as well, since only someone who would fall for such a scheme would not have their vital files backed-up somewhere... even if it's stashed on another box somewhere in the house.

    /P

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    1. Re:Mod parent way the frig up! by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Seriously - any business worth a damn is going to have backups (the ones that don't? they kinda deserve it IMHO...)

      This doesn't just affect businesses with IT departments, it also affects individuals and small businesses that can't afford IT. I've talked to a number of people who didn't understand that they needed backups, and some were otherwise intelligent.

      Home users have CD/DVD-R's, external disk backups, stuff stashed across multiple machines

      CD/DVD media can fail, I've bought some movies on DVD I had to return because they would not play. Some movies played once but wouldn't play again, not even in a second player. Here's a discussion on Photo.net about "gold" archival DVDs, which are specifically made to last a long tyme. Here's an article by PC World asking "Do Burned CDs Have a Short Life Span?" I doubt many people have networks at home either. External HDDs are ok if you copy your backups, store 2 or more disks in different places, then test and replace them occasionally. Actually that what some people use their iPods for, external backups.

      Falcon
  23. Step 4 by argent · · Score: 1

    What if that country doesn't care?

    1. Create hoax crypto extortion virus
    2. Call for trade sanctions against Lower Bananastan
    3. Ram the "criminalize crypto and authorize panoptic surveillance" (CCRAP) treaty through the G8
    4. Profit^H^H^H^H^H^HAll our base belong to whitehouse.gov.

    1. Re:Step 4 by maxume · · Score: 1

      I realize you are joking, but that is just the sort of theory that gives them an awful lot of credit.

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    2. Re:Step 4 by argent · · Score: 1

      Crikey! I wish I was sure I was joking.

    3. Re:Step 4 by maxume · · Score: 1

      Look at it this way, did Cheney shoot his friend in the face because he was pissed off at him, or because he is a buffoon?

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    4. Re:Step 4 by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      That wasn't Cheney's friend. He was a terrorist about to assasinate the Commander in Chief.

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    5. Re:Step 4 by argent · · Score: 1

      did Cheney shoot his friend in the face because he was pissed off at him, or because he is a buffoon?

      Why is this an "either-or" question?

      http://www.angryflower.com/cheneys.html

    6. Re:Step 4 by maxume · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess it isn't. My answer tends to be, but the question doesn't require an either-or answer.

      I really don't think Cheney is a grand wizard of competence though, which was more or less the point. He gets by, but if he were truly scary, we would like him...

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    7. Re:Step 4 by argent · · Score: 1

      It's not going to be Cheney, it's going to be some Ollie North clone.

  24. Well that brings phase two by eneville · · Score: 1

    Phase two, would be paying for a botnet to do the number crunching to decrypt. It's 1024bit right, so with a large enough botnet that could be worked out in maybe a month - that's if every computer in the world was infected.

    I've heard of companies getting their databases infected by viruses, and that's the sort of company that provides electronic transactions, so this seems like it has the potential to really screw some people over, obviously.

  25. Reminds me of... by vivin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...the Casino Virus. Perhaps because of the similar concept of "holding data hostage".

    The virus takes your FAT and stores it in RAM. Then lets you play a slot-machine game. If you win, you get your data back. If you lose, you lose your data. Some other combination of characters (in the slot machine) gives you the virus-writer's phone number.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of... by SL+Baur · · Score: 3, Funny

      The virus takes your FAT and stores it in RAM. Awesome! Sounds like a weight loss system that could really work.
  26. data ransom != blackmail by Deanalator · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is data ransom, not blackmail.

    1. Re:data ransom != blackmail by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1
      This is data ransom, not blackmail.


      "Data ransom"? I don't think that this is a legal term - IANAL, but there is no mention of data ransom in Wikipedia, and all the Google results are referring to stories about viruses/trojans of this kind. But you're still correct, it's not blackmail, it's extortion, the difference being that a blackmailer is threatening to reveal some information about you, while extortion involves a independent underlying criminal act.

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    2. Re:data ransom != blackmail by noidentity · · Score: 1

      This is data ransom, not blackmail.

      This is Slashdot, where stolen data from a server is really just a copy, any unwanted restriction is censorship, and any problems with a portable device means it's bricked, even if it can be revived by pressing some buttons or reinstalling the OS.

  27. Vista solution? by DAldredge · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't shadow copies under Vista (Ultimate/Business) allow one to revert the changes?

    1. Re:Vista solution? by cbhacking · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was waiting for somebody to mention this. Shadow copies, also known as Previous Versions, is a great way to undo this kind of thing (at least long enough to take a backup before reformatting, unless you're 100% sure you can purge all the malware). It's worth mentioning that they are also on Windows Server 2003/2008.

      So, the answer is yes, but only for a limited time. The number of shadow copies that can be kept is determined by the "free" space on the drive. On the other hand, there's usually at least several revisions there, so if the folder isn't changed often you can probably find the old version. If the folder IS changed frequently, you'd probably notice right away.

      I say folder because if a file's name is changed (or a file is deleted), you need to recover it by going to the folder's shadow copy and restoring from there (you can restore the whole folder, but can also extract individual files). You can also rename the file and check for shadow copies under its original name.

      Finally, don't forget that the shadow copies can be deleted. It takes more than normal permissions - I don't think even normal Administrators can delete them directly, though if you have Administrator it's easy enough to get System - which means you would need to have approved a UAC prompt somewhere - but that's true of most software installation. That said, the actual attack (encrypting personal files) requires no special permissions at all - it would work even on a properly locked-down Linux or OS X box. IE under Protected Mode wouldn't have sufficient permissions, however.

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  28. How about a multi-company antivirus slush fund??? by BUL2294 · · Score: 1

    Here's an idea... Instead of all of these AV vendors spending (between them) thousands of man-hours to find holes so they could reverse-engineer a way to decrypt such files, maybe they should create a multi-company "decryption slush fund". This fund would be there to buy decryption keys from virus authors, posing as lowly home users from da Intarweb. I can imagine such authors would offer to sell the keys relatively cheaply ($1000 - $10,000) to stay under the radar. (A $1 million ransom would even catch the attention of Nigerian authorities). Once the key is in-hand and it works, that key would be made public to the entire Internet and any additional decryption details shared with all member companies, for quick inclusion in updated AV/malware signatures.

    Now, I'm personally against paying virus writers extortion money. But there are some huge positives. Such a fund would 1) minimize the potential income to such authors, 2) quickly end the threat within hours/days, 3) give law enforcement an opportunity to track the money trail... Of course, the negative is that authors could now author the same virus with new keys--but that's counteracted by the fact that such authors would want to "lay low" after putting out new viruses. (Put out new versions every day and someone will take notice...)

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  29. Could it be broken with FPGAs? by Bugs42 · · Score: 1

    The big problem for the victim here is that RSA with a key that big can't be brute-forced in any sort of reasonable time on current computers. But what about using FPGAs, something like this?
    Is RSA immune to these kind of solutions? As I understand it* the inherent parallelism of FPGAs makes them well-suited to this kind of thing
    *based on Wikipedia and a single university course in VHDL coding.

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  30. Actually it's called Ransomware by ewhenn · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware_(malware)

    The crypting your files and extort has been around since 1989 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Cyborg_Trojan

  31. Might be the future, but it's not novel... by itsjz · · Score: 1

    Cryptoviruses have been around for a while

  32. 1024-bit RSA is NOT considered secure anymore by this+great+guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    As it was pointed out by another poster, no 1024-bit RSA is not sufficiently strong. Recent papers have demonstrated that factoring a 1024-bit key is now within practical reach. See for example this PhD dissertation from a student whose advisor was Shamir (the S in RSA FYI), which estimates that cracking a 1024-bit key would cost a few million US dollars.

    Sure, at this point only a small number of organizations have a few million dollars to spare on cracking RSA, but this is beyond the point. The flaw is sufficiently serious that security standards are now recommending 2048-bit RSA keys minimum.

    What I am talking about are relatively recent developments, it is not very well-known that 2048-bit is the minimum recommended length. This is why 1024-bit keys are still wildly used everywhere. My bank (www.wellsfargo.com) uses a 1024-bit key...

    1. Re:1024-bit RSA is NOT considered secure anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn. 2000 bits of binary... Every single bit added to a binary key does exponential increases to the resulting protection. If my math is right, you made your key 2^1000 times stronger. Last I checked, TI calculators overflow looking at just 2^100. (I know, a pc is a pc, but the point is you can't even cuantify stuff without someone giving you some "magic number"-like readout with a few dozen zeroes.)

      Our GHZ-cpu clocks stopped doubling in speed long ago and I never got my expected "5 GHZ Intel by 2005" nor 2006, 2007 nor 2008, even though we all blindy recite Moore's law.

      So why the heck is this mathematical doubling fad controlling an industry that couldn't get the users to care less? I don't see my useful scanner bitdepth nor screen-space double.

      How long until the computational payload to transmit wirelessly, or encode / decode our data starts bogging down users visibly for several seconds? Our PCs are not getting any faster each year, (seriously, look at laptops and handhelds trying to enter / surpass the SINGLE GIGAHERTZ speed that desktops arrived at back in like 2001....Vista, or the fact that so many people on single-core class machines will wait 5 more years to upgrade to Vista class multicore CPU's because of the hardware replacement upgrade needs. We still have win98 users out there on pentium II's being told to upgrade on forums)

      It was cute how 128 bits doubled over and over to 1024, but I see as much point with exponential upgrades as with our failed home-aimed 64-bit market and IPv6, in terms of actual value. Not just the theoretical "a few million more available IP addresses / $USD needed to crack RSA keys / precision digits in my calc.exe" Akin to what the parent poster says, you need a hardware infrastructure / government with the money and interest to crack your truecrypt / actual effort on Microsoft to code a 64bit OS with 64bit-COMPLIANT calc.exe and everyone else then has to slowly adopt the stupid thing. Flash still won't do 64bit plugins. You wellsfargo bank and most others still doesn't see the need to protect your money (serious business and legal liability eh?) with the 'recommended 2048bit encryption.

      All this is the same mathematical masturbation that MMORPG users go thru to work exponentially just to max out items that only increase in attack / defense % in linear amounts. 640K out to be enough for everybody... for a very large of 'everybody' and a long, exponentially rigged time.

      Thank you.

    2. Re:1024-bit RSA is NOT considered secure anymore by this+great+guy · · Score: 4, Informative
      Damn. 2000 bits of binary... Every single bit added to a binary key does exponential increases to the resulting protection.

      This is a common mistake that non-cryptographers make. The above is true only for symmetric algorihtms. For asymmetric ones, like RSA, this is false. A 2001-bit RSA key is not twice harder to crack than a 2000-bit key. This is why for example the NIST recommendations list different key lengths depending on the type of crypto (sym vs. asym). For introductory-level material I suggest Cryptographic key length.

    3. Re:1024-bit RSA is NOT considered secure anymore by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1
      A 2001-bit RSA key is not twice harder to crack than a 2000-bit key


      Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.
      Here is the relevant (somewhat outdated) paragraph from the Wikipedia article you linked:

      As of 2003 RSA Security claims that 1024-bit RSA keys are equivalent in strength to 80-bit symmetric keys, 2048-bit RSA keys to 112-bit symmetric keys and 3072-bit RSA keys to 128-bit symmetric keys. RSA claims that 1024-bit keys are likely to become crackable some time between 2006 and 2010 and that 2048-bit keys are sufficient until 2030. An RSA key length of 3072 bits should be used if security is required beyond 2030.[2] NIST key management guidelines further suggest that 15360-bit RSA keys are equivalent in strength to 256-bit symmetric keys.


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    4. Re:1024-bit RSA is NOT considered secure anymore by sfarmstrong · · Score: 1

      This is a common mistake that non-cryptographers make. The above is true only for symmetric algorihtms.


      Not quite. Elliptic curve cryptography is a class of public-key schemes which is currently believed to have strong keys. (That is, keys that can only be uncovered by exhaustive brute-force searches.) For communicating over a public channel, many cryptologists favor the Elliptice Curve Diffie Helman key agreement scheme.

    5. Re:1024-bit RSA is NOT considered secure anymore by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1

      Our GHZ-cpu clocks stopped doubling in speed long ago and I never got my expected "5 GHZ Intel by 2005" nor 2006, 2007 nor 2008, even though we all blindy recite Moore's law. Moore's law is only about the amount of transistors used, not the clock frequency of the resulting chip.
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  33. Proposal, please criticize. by joocemann · · Score: 1

    From my understanding, malicious activities such as these are forbidden in a large number of countries that are in agreement with our own national interests. It is because of this that most of these problematic internet-related things come from countries that do not enforce or make efforts to stop these problems. I realize that much may be developed in countries that hold them illegal, but that they are implemented and introduced via. networks in non-enforcing countries.

    So what I'm asking criticism of is the idea that we should disconnect from those countries. In essence, forcing those countries to establish some form of network responsibility, or become alienated and disconnected.

    I realize this ties closely to net neutrality and such, something that I embrace and promote. In a parallel concept, free speech is relatively 'free', but is limited to the point of obscenity. If we can, as a vast global majority, determine what is an internet-obscenity (metaphorically, of course), would it be appropriate to sever our connections until those areas/countries make efforts to control the obscene?

    1. Re:Proposal, please criticize. by MarkvW · · Score: 1

      Nah. Don't exclude countries because they can't or won't stop internet evildoers. First: Malware vulnerability is largly a function of the kind of standardization that Microsoft represents. In the future, the internet protocols will be standard, but the target systems will be less and less standard. It will be more and more difficult as the years and decades roll by for any kind of broad-spectrum attack to succeed. Second: This is sort of a survival of the fittest kind of idea. Computer security and law enforcement will evolve as they are tested. The more jerks that are confronted and defeated, the more effective and less costly the counter-responses will become. Third: I can imagine two complementary, but separate, networks: (1) the wild west net-neutral internet where anything goes; and (2) a polite non-neutral internet where everybody plays nice (and gets kicked if they don't). Right now, the one internet is pretty much the only game in town. It doesn't have to be that way. If it gets too dangerous, people will play elsewhere.

  34. Re:How about a multi-company antivirus slush fund? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Way ahead of you. You'd be amazed how well AV companies work together.

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  35. And how will they mask payments? by Dzimas · · Score: 1

    The weak point of this idea (apart from the fact that they stand a good chance of really pissing off a few million users and getting shot) is that it's very hard to drop a stick-up note on someone's computer and expect the payment not to be traced. You can be that someone will go to jail for a nice long time if they request payment by Visa or Mastercard. Same goes for wire transfers, paypal and most other forms of payment. Even cash would cause problems as soon as the friendly Postwoman in Vladivostok realized that you were getting thousands of mysterious envelopes filled with cash from all corners of the globe.

    1. Re:And how will they mask payments? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      The bad guys would probably use a service like Western Union and send some flunky to pick up the money (so that no-one has records of who the bad guys are)

  36. cool!! by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    I came up with this idea years ago but my proof fell apart with the pay-off method, always seemed like the perps would get caught. The other idea I had years ago was hardware piracy, people trading production files that would be used with 3d fabrication units to create new consumer products. Funny that, both ideas are quickly approaching reality.

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  37. Future? we're already there. by FeatherBoa · · Score: 1

    Is this a look into the future where the majority of malware will function based on extortion?

    The principle economic activity generated by malware is the virus scanner, firewall, intrusion detection business (and the spending on extra CPU, memory and bandwidth to offset their associated drag on performance). The only way this outlay of money keeps going into the virus scanner companies' pockets is if there are lots of new viruses all the time. Do you doubt that these "security" folks would act to protect their revenue stream? I bet that 80% of the new viruses are commissioned by the same people we pay to protect us from them.

    In my opinion it's all nothing but extortion already.

  38. Sucker born every minute. by Mista2 · · Score: 1

    They will bank on enough people not wanting their souse/partner/children know they got the infection by installing a codec to let them view kiddie porn movies that they will pay up rather than ruin their lives by going to the police, or just not pay up, wipe the machine and claim it crashed. Oh dear. Chances are they wont actually send the decrypt key anyway, but if you were dumb enough to install their malware, you'll probably pay them anyway.

  39. But for how long. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought of a virus along this line, but slightly different. What it would do is encrypt the data, decrypt on the fly until it is time to demand payment. All backups would have been encrypted too, if you have the correct hooks into the OS. I never tried it, since the dark side has a strong pull.

    1. Re:But for how long. by nine-times · · Score: 1

      If it's decrypted on the fly, on access, then why wouldn't they be decrypted during the backup process?

      Or if copies are always encrypted, then wouldn't you notice there was a problem the first time you tried to share a file, copy it to a server, e-mail it as an attachment, etc?

      Seems like it would be hard to pull off. But go ahead and try. Like I said, I haven't been infected by a single virus in 15 years.

    2. Re:But for how long. by qubezz · · Score: 1

      That's brilliant, up to the part where you would have to put the private key in the code to decrypt the files.

  40. Not Blackmail, Extortion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blackmail is threatening to reveal secrets, extortion is obtaining money through force or threat of force.

  41. Oh please! We all know there aren't any REAL banks by falconwolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    in Nigeria?

    There are real banks in Nigeria, owned by the ruling ethnic group, that's where the billions of dollars from oil goes. The rulers get their money while those who live where the oil comes from, the Niger Delta, have to fight for scraps.

    Falcon
  42. Lookup Tables by camperdave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But there are shortcuts to factorization. ie, if a long number ends in 0 or 5, it is divisible by 5. If the digits add up to 9, it is divisible by 9, etc. There may be similar but far more obscure shortcuts for larger primes.

    Now, I am not a cryptanalyst or mathematician, and I'm not clear on how RSA works, so bear with me. Suppose I were to generate a list of prime numbers. This only has to be done once. Now suppose I take each prime and multiply it by every other prime on the list. Now if there are n primes, there are going to be n^2 products. Let's say we only store the last ten digits of the product, along with which primes generated it. There's only going to be a handful of primes who's product gives those same last ten digits. So, if the RSA depends on being able to decide which primes a large number is composed of, then would I not just have take the last ten digits of the large number, look up in my table to find the handful of primes that could multiply out to that, and just check those?

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    1. Re:Lookup Tables by statemachine · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Why do people think that breaking a key involves starting from scratch each time?

    2. Re:Lookup Tables by kipman725 · · Score: 1

      ah looking it up there is abit more to it then just multiplication of the primes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA

  43. Retaliation? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    If I send someone money, what keeps me from sending them a letter bomb with it?

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    1. Re:Retaliation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've always liked the idea of capital punishment with such crimes... but call me a little extreme.

      The first time a "hacker" is hanging in the town square for his "I love you" virus...

  44. Oh! How I long... by camperdave · · Score: 1

    The virus can't encrypt the files stored on a DVD-R

    Oh! How I long for those halcyon days of yore when my backups actually fit on a DVD-R.

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    1. Re:Oh! How I long... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      How I long for those halcyon days of yore when my backups actually fit on a DVD-R. u need to lrn brevity
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  45. Re:Oh please! We all know there aren't any REAL ba by Chaxid · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'll append a sarcasm tag next time. By the way, that bit of info is insanely depressing, and kind of made me feel a bit insensitive. Mod parent up.

  46. They get what they deserve by erroneus · · Score: 1

    The people bought Windows and in spite of the fact that better options exist, even MacOSX qualifies as better, they stay with Windows because they don't want to learn something new... at the core, they don't want to learn. They get what they deserve.

    1. Re:They get what they deserve by Eskarel · · Score: 1
      And neither Linux nor OSX would protect against this.

      This attack is going to be going after your data, not your OS. They don't need to get administrator or root access on your box, so the fact that you're running as a regular user doesn't matter. They don't need the escalation, because you already have access to what they want. Neither linux nor OSX protect against a user who runs something that's infected, or gets done in by XSS, or most of the other things that actually result in real infections. All it does is protect the OS, which considering I can reinstall even my gentoo box from scratch in less than a day, isn't anything much compared to your data.

    2. Re:They get what they deserve by collinstocks · · Score: 1

      The thing is, though, that with linux there is one extra step: the program needs execution privileges. chmod a+x ./file

      In addition, most programs on linux are installed from software channels, and the distributor's software channels should be virus- and trojan-free.

      As a last point, most people who write viruses write them for windows because the greatest number of people run it.

      I lied. There is one more point. If you attack linux, everyone in the community rises up against you and throws fiery hailstones at your property. The hailstones can go through any firewall :)

    3. Re:They get what they deserve by Eskarel · · Score: 1
      Something needs execution privileges(ie a browser, media player, etc), not necessarily the file itself as if you have execution privileges you can give them to something else.

      Most software(at least legal software) for Windows is installed off CD's from cling wrapped boxes, those distribution channels should(and usually are) virus and trojan free. This doesn't help when someone wants to install a screen saver, or when there's a hole in firefox or the like(which is what results in most windows infections, I run a firewall and a virus scanner and excluding a time I tried to update a windows XP installation from a pre sp1 disk in a post sp2 virus world before installing said software I've not had an infection in more than a decade.

      If as you said everyone who doesn't switch gets what they deserve then you're advocating an increase in linux/OSX users till they're dominant so that old chestnut about greatest number(which doesn't support you're "They deserve it" spiel anyway) doesn't apply.

      The fiery hail stones are a good solution, but they don't scale well and most spammers are unaffected by them.

    4. Re:They get what they deserve by collinstocks · · Score: 1

      In my defense, I never said that they are getting what they deserve. On the contrary, anyone who gets a virus has my sympathy (since I had at least one when I still used windows).

      I support linux for other reasons, mostly having to do with freedom and the ability to customize. Viruses don't really come into the picture for me. In addition, antitrust is important to me.

  47. All your data are belong to us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All your data are belong to us.

  48. Re:How about a multi-company antivirus slush fund? by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Instead of all of these AV vendors spending (between them) thousands of man-hours to find holes so they could reverse-engineer a way to decrypt such files, maybe they should create a multi-company "decryption slush fund".
    My Gord

    Are you insane

    Do you think as soon as they have decrypted this virus they will stop colluding? Do you think the "savings" from this arrangement will be passed on to the consumer? The last thing we need is an "AVIAA" (Anti-Virus Industry Association of America) type organization ensuring that everyone is running a paid for version of AV regardless of Operating System or F/OSS alternatives available.
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  49. My reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    1. Re:My reply by Loko+Draucarn · · Score: 1

      I don't see how telling him that the magic words are "Squeamish Ossifrage" answers his question.

  50. Re:Oh please! We all know there aren't any REAL ba by Erikderzweite · · Score: 0, Troll

    >the Niger Delta
    It's African-American Delta!

  51. Backups are forever. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Sure, you don't save every daily incremental, but you need to keep permanent copies of full backups on, say, a monthly basis. Permanent as in: you're not too cheap to overwrite them when you run out of room. Otherwise you're not really backing your stuff up.

    Backups are not forever, media fails as does hardware. The best thing to do is to make and keep multiple copies of backups, on different media or hardware. And if you have a lot of data, that may mean a number of external hdds. Then as new technology comes along transferring old backups to new media or hardware. Here's a story about a "Computer Tech Accidentally Erases Info on Alaska's $38 Billion Oil Fund". No problem they thought, they had a backup. The backup, tape, had 9 months of data yet it was unreadable, it linked to a Physorg.com article but articles "expires 15 days after original publication date."

    Falcon
  52. Vista by DrYak · · Score: 1

    For that matter, these are also things which don't change a lot. They shouldn't take up too much space in the backup, if you're using even a halfway-intelligent backup program -- both of the ones you mentioned at least do hardlinks. The problem is that a fresh install of Vista (Like most of the home users get with their recently bought PCs) is around 16GiB all by it self. A complete installed system (OS + Applications, etc...) is going to weight at least a couple of dozens GB.
    If the person doing the backup has a couple of TB storage (like I think, most of the /.ers), because the users's used to also backup all those GBs of Divx that were torrented from porn bay, that won't pose a major problem.

    The problem, is that the average user doesn't often invest in a multi-TB storage solution.

    And a full OS backup is still definitely a lot of place, if that OS happens to be Vista.

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    1. Re:Vista by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that a fresh install of Vista (Like most of the home users get with their recently bought PCs) is around 16GiB all by it self. A complete installed system (OS + Applications, etc...) is going to weight at least a couple of dozens GB. So what? Storage isn't that expensive -- and the smallest one there is 60 gigs, which should easily be able to hold it.

      If the person doing the backup has a couple of TB storage (like I think, most of the /.ers) I see -- you didn't read it. That or you really didn't do the math.

      Most people aren't going to have more than a hundred gigs or so of storage in their computer in the first place. Given a halfway-decent backup system -- one which uses hardlinks, as I mentioned before -- and yes, the OS might take half of the backup drive. It will not, however, need an additional half every incremental backup -- only every time the OS changes.

      As most people aren't causing terabytes worth of change, it should be no problem to have many backups (as in, every day for the past few months) on a single, dirt-cheap external hard drive.
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  53. In theory AV Companies do the same thing by jasonmanley · · Score: 1

    In theory AV companies say "... pay us money and we will release you of the infection..." From F-Secure's website ... " F-Secure Anti-Virus can detect and decrypt files encrypted by Gpcode trojan as well as it can detect and remove the trojan's file. If you are hit by this trojan and your files are encrypted, please scan ALL files on your hard disk and they will be decrypted. " I know that they didn't put it there in the first place but there is some parrallelism isn't there?

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  54. Old Story - Worth Repeating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the original computer geeks in Los Angeles has been talking about this on his call-in radio show for years, explaining to both novices and pros alike why they should always back up their important files, preferably in multiple locations - on an external hard drive, or with a subscription to an online backup server. IDRIVE offers a basic online file backup service for free and a higher amount of storage space beginning at $5 a month. There's no excuse for anyone losing their data to this kind of a hacker, unless they're truly inexperienced computer users. Anyone reading /. on a regular basis should be tech savvy enough to take care of the business of protecting their personal and company data.

  55. Plan ... check ... paypal account ... check by wildem · · Score: 1

    Just change random file's extension to ._CRYPT
    Blackmail
    Profit !!

  56. Corporate Linux users generally *do* pay by CustomDesigned · · Score: 2, Informative

    The self-support model that is required for a zero-price Linux distro is often not acceptable in a corporate environment (unless they have internal IT that can provide the support). Which is why Red Hat Linux (and Suse and Oracle) continue to sell despite the existence of Centos. The best part is - while the price is non-zero (and generally too hefty for home use), the freedom is still included.

    1. Re:Corporate Linux users generally *do* pay by mlts · · Score: 2, Informative

      The main reason for this is that it requires cash on the barrelhead for security certifications like FIPS, Common Criteria, etc.

      RedHat and Novell have anted up to the table and can offer Linux desktops and servers in an industry that pretty much was Windows only, other than maybe a Solaris or AIX box here and there. Part of what people pay for when purchasing commercial support for RHCE or SUSE is the cost of this.

      OBMac: MacOS 10 too has recently gotten FIPS certified, so that is another UNIX that is usable on the desktop where the certificates are needed for due diligence.

      RedHat is great on servers, should something need changed, I can load the SRPM, make in-house source code changes, then have those stored separately from the original source so it can be documented come audit time what was changed in some program that needed customization on that level. To boot, with the binary RPM, all it takes is one simple command to push the change out to relevant machines via ssh and have those boxes install it.

  57. Obtain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...reverse-engineer and analyze the code, and let us know what you find out...

  58. Backup history algorithm by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1

    Unless you have space for infinite backups, his method is write. At some point, you'll run out of space and have to delete old backups to make room for the new ones.

    Yes, but you probably shouldn't delete the actual *oldest*. Backups should get sparser the older they get, but you should still have some ancient ones for precisely this reason (and others). The standard human algorithm is everyday for a week, every week for a month, every month for a year, every year for a decade. Storage for last decades backup is generally trivial.

  59. extortion, no ... but Extortion .... maybe by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    "Is this a look into the future where the majority of malware will function based on extortion?"
    Well, that depends ... is Extortion the code name for Microsoft's follow-up to Vista?
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  60. Or perhaps by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    It's a "false flag" attempt to frame some third party for extortion. It's quite possible that whoever programmed this knows damn well that there's no way he/she's going to make any money doing it.

  61. key by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    unless it's also randomizing the keys the first time they sell a decrypter (assuming they actually do and don't just take your money) the anti-virus companies will get their hands on it and plug that into the 'clean' function for this virus.

    I don't know how it works but I'd think a miscreant virus writer would use different keys and not the same key for each PC infected.

    Falcon
    1. Re:key by deroby · · Score: 1

      Then again, if the encryption key is 'random', how does the decryptor know ?

      (yes, reading the rest of the comments asap... likely someone will point me to the solution...)

      Anyway, IF someone was willing to pay for the decryptor and he actually received said piece of software, and it actually works (if...if...if... ), I surely hope he will send a copy to the major anti-virus companies and relevant OSS forums so they can reverse-engineer the thing.

      PS: unless the decryptor is brute-force-ing too and hence has a typical Windows9x progress bar ... you know the one showing : "Copying files, 287436473939034 minutes remaining..."

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    2. Re:key by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Then again, if the encryption key is 'random', how does the decryptor know ?

      Maybe the virus can create a signature or message that's sent to the creep, who can then use it to look up the key that will decrypt the docs. If someone's computer was contaminated I'd think there's a good possibility there's no firewall. And if there isn't one it can then contact another computer over the net, perhaps one that's part of a spam or botnet. It could then pass along the encryption key.

      IF someone was willing to pay for the decryptor and he actually received said piece of software, and it actually works (if...if...if... ), I surely hope he will send a copy to the major anti-virus companies and relevant OSS forums so they can reverse-engineer the thing.

      While decryption could be a separate software program, it could aslo be part of the original virus. Either way I don't think it would help, unless there's an err in it. People have had access to the code of encryption programs, such as GnuPGP, and I don't think it has dune them much good.

      Falcon
    3. Re:key by deroby · · Score: 1

      I had not considered the idea of creating an actual random key and sending it to a 'central' database for retrieval by the evil-doer.

      In my scenario the key would be either
      * hard-coded (silly, because one key would unlock all victims)
      * based upon a combination of hardware parameters (which MIGHT be reversed-engineered from the decryptor)

      Having the key somewhere centrally would indeed be very hard to break unless, like you said, there is a flaw in the program, which seems unlikely to me.

      Sigh, think I'll need to backup more often...

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    4. Re:key by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      I had not considered the idea of creating an actual random key and sending it to a 'central' database for retrieval by the evil-doer.

      I hadn't thought of it myself, not directly, instead I got the idea from a post further up in the discussion about TFA. Prior to this I thought something along the lines that the encrypting virus could generate some sort of key then when the owner of the hostaged documents paid they'd then be given a way to send the key the to the hostage taker who could then use it to look up the decryption key. It works out similarly but my way requires extra steps.

      Sigh, think I'll need to backup more often...

      I know I do, however even after losing about 500GB of docs, I still haven't done a full backup in almost 1 year. And what happened to my PC another reason why backups should be made. The PC had Linux preinstalled and though I hadn't had it a year I started having trouble so I took it into the shop. They told me the mobo had to be replaced, then after it was the tech called and said Linux had to be reinstalled. I have no idea why, unless the mobo replacement was different than the one it replaced. I had two HDDs installed, the original 40GB one and a second 750GB that was setup as the users' home directory. I specifically gave instructions not to format or reformat the second drive but to make it the users' directory. The tech though set installation on autopilot which did format the drive. Now I want to unformat it so I can recover the docs, but I keep putting it off.

      Falcon
  62. More reasons to use pull rather than push by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Click here for a write up of these two backup strategies.

  63. tracing the mney by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Money can be traced, easily (don't believe what they say about Western Union). This is a great way to track down and capture the people who are spreading the virus.

    I don't think it's as easy to trace money as you think. The extorter could have you wire transfer the money to a bank in the Caymans, which will then automatically transfer it to one in Russia, and with more transfers the money could end up in India. There a nobody could pick the money up from the bank and deposit it in another bank.

    If money was so easy to trace then I'd think there wouldn't be many, if any, drug kingpins.

    Falcon
  64. Cha-ching by billcopc · · Score: 2, Funny

    This makes it a little too easy:

    1. Follow the money trail to the asshat (probably based in China or Russia).

    2. Post the info on /.

    3. I lead a mob of bored geeks to go beat the mustard out of this punk (and get the private key)

    4. decryption algo posted on /.

    5. everyone laughs at you, but at least you get your data back, and I get to crush someone's skull. everyone wins!

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    1. Re:Cha-ching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then you go to jail in some stinking third-world hellhole, while our gov't actively does everything they can to hand your head on a silver platter to the foreign government who has arrested you.

  65. I've been saying it for years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the exact reason why only Governments should be able to use encryption. If bad people can use technology for bad things then that technology should be illegal.

    Lets see, encryption, torrents, the Internet... heck lets just make computers illegal.

  66. No, the future is either... by istartedi · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...easy-to-use backups, and/or the government tracking down the payments and busting the guy who receives it.

    Of course, if you are just backing up to the hard drive, the virus will make sure to trash your backups. Better back up to a non re-writeable CD. Most people's unique data isn't that large. If it is, you should be doing nightly offsite backups anyway.

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  67. You must be new here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows that every slashdotter is the foremost expert in any field being discussed.

  68. Rubber Hose Decryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like a situation where a rubber hose cryptographic attack sounds appropriate. This method is guaranteed to work, and only requires a minimum of an investment. Simply put, you track the guy down, bring along some rather large individuals, and beat him with a rubber hose until he gives you the decryption key. Much quicker, more effective, and more satisfying than a standard brute force attempt.

  69. Re:How about a multi-company antivirus slush fund? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Instead of all of these AV vendors spending (between them) thousands of man-hours to find holes so they could reverse-engineer a way to decrypt such files, maybe they should create a multi-company "decryption slush fund". This fund would be there to buy decryption keys from virus authors

    Unless the virus authors are idiots and stupid they wouldn't use the same decryption key for every infection.

    A $1 million ransom would even catch the attention of Nigerian authorities

    Why would this catch Nigerian authorities attention? They're already swimming in billions of petrodollars.

    Falcon
  70. Want to learn more about this? by sudog · · Score: 1

    There's a pretty good book about it, called "Malicious Cryptovirology." He goes to great lengths to describe the various ways this can be done, how there's very little the victim can do about it, and it's even a relatively short read. Go check it out.

  71. Old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "Malta Casino Virus", 2 decades ago, did the same thing except that it encrypted the File allocation table and gave you a chance to win your data back by playing a game ;-)

  72. old news - see Onehalf by hany · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone heard about Onehalf? We're talking something like 1992-94 IIRC. :)

    If my memory serves me right even further, the virus is from Kosice, Slovakia. It spread quite quickly (even though there was essentialy no Internet at that time in Slovakia) but later on, I believe ESET produced a utility to detect it and clean it up. Nice thing was, that it did not need to boot from clean boot floppy in order to do the clean-up (which was quite unussual at that time).

    Funny thing then was, that few month later, as we though that Onehalf is - thanks to that utility - dead and old news, story came from USA that Onehalf reached there and that after a lot of trouble Norton was able to detect it. But not clean it. What a joke. If we've had email, we would happily mass-mail that ESET's anti-Onehalf utility to every one.

    Maybe further info: ESET's One Half entry.

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  73. Re:Redmond Koolaid by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1


    But it's all shipped from multi-national warehouses, deployed across the country and the only connection with Redmond is that the recipe formula is "approved by Redmond".

    Hmm. Maybe that belongs in the "Defunct.com" story.

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  74. Re:Oh please! We all know there aren't any REAL ba by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3, Interesting
    owned by the ruling ethnic groupNo. owned by the shareholders, or subsidiaries of well-known internaitonal banks (British, American, etc).

    Banking in Nigeria is not significantly less reputable than anywhere else.

    The problem with Nigerian scams is because there are a lot Nigerians, and a significant fraction of them do not trust random people they don't know from Adam (or in some cases, members of their own family) and think that "europeans" must be a bunch of illiterate cretins if they are willing to believe things they read in random e-mails from strangers, and hence deserve to be scammed.

    The main factor in Nigerian fraud, is that part of the Nigerian population that believe that God created cretins so they could be scammed. Not a very christian beliefe:

    Yes its true, Christianity would stop Nigerian scams - send more missionaries :-)

    Yes, I have been to Nigeria.

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  75. Re:How about a multi-company antivirus slush fund? by kvezach · · Score: 1

    If they're clever enough, that won't even work in theory. The ransom virus can just make up a symmetric key for the user in question, encrypting everything with this symmetric key, and the key itself with PK crypto. The extortionist asks for the encrypted symmetric key and gives the decrypted symmetric key in return, and there you are, none the wiser as to what the private component of the PK crypto scheme is.

  76. Re:Oh please! We all know there aren't any REAL ba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    owned by the ruling ethnic group
    . No, owned by the shareholders, or subsidiaries of well-known internaitonal banks (British, American, etc).
    Yeah, because, you know ... "European Africans" are the colo...ruling ethnic group in Africa.

    The problem with Nigerian scams is because there are a lot Nigerians, and a significant fraction of them do not trust random people they don't know from Adam (or in some cases, members of their own family) and think that "europeans" must be a bunch of illiterate cretins if they are willing to believe things they read in random e-mails from strangers, and hence deserve to be scammed.

    The main factor in Nigerian fraud, is that part of the Nigerian population that believe that God created cretins so they could be scammed. Not a very christian beliefe:

    Oh, that last part about Christianity WAS funny, considering ...

    However, I'd say depicted Nigerian attitude combined with wealth is a bit concerning matter: Of Guns, Germs (, Presumptuousness) and Steel, they seem to just lack a lot of steel to become yet another global PITA.
  77. modern video game distribution models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sounds like Steam from Valve.

  78. The more things change . . . by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

    Is this a look into the future where the majority of malware will function based on extortion?

    Actually, no. It's a look into the past. There was an alert going around circa 1990 about a piece of malware (it was a trojan, to be specific) that, running on DOS, would encrypt your entire hard drive during the installation. It would then send the demands to your printer.

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  79. Malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The majority of malware is already based on extortion. It's called DRM.

  80. Okay.. mitigating the problem.. by modi123 · · Score: 1

    One person get's nailed.. sends the money in.. gets back the decrypter.. then drop that decrypter on a torrent for the world. Easy cheesy..

    1. Re:Okay.. mitigating the problem.. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Worm takes windows product key, CPU serial number, etc, generates a GUID - and a key is generated. This key is communicated to the author, who has a utility to generate a decrypter. This key generation could also happen at the author as well, and only the above GUID is sent.

      Of course, a little public key encryption makes all this private to the blackmailer.

      Whoopsies, did I just come up with that?

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    2. Re:Okay.. mitigating the problem.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is how it probably works:

      1) Generate random symmetric cipher key on the user's machine
      2) Encrypt user's files with the symmetric cipher
      3) Encrypt the symmetric cipher key with evil-doer's RSA public key, delete original symmetric key.
      4) For a price, evil-doer will decrypt your unique symmetric cipher key using his RSA private key.

  81. enlightened self-interest by reiisi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know there will always be people who don't believe "in" enlightened self-interest, but it is not in your own self-interest to deliberately (How should I put this politely?) defecate in your own water supply.

    You started by playing around with the scripts that the real blackhats built and left lying around. Then one of them contacts you (Because he naturally left a call-home in your script and has been "keeping an eye on you" -- but not much of an eye. Don't kid yourself.) and suggests you help him collect a bot army.

    Now you've learned how to get a bot army, and you have a small army of your own. Trouble is, small armies aren't profitable. So you start the moving from script-jockey (The blackhats don't want to insult you, so they don't call you kiddie to your face.) to script-remodeller. But you have to eat, so when your blackhat suggests you try a little extortion, it sounds interesting.

    What he doesn't tell you is that he is leading you to run interference for him while he goes after bigger fish. He tells you how to get into some foreign bank and set up accounts that have a very ephemeral existence, then stands back and watches you, and waits for you to either prove you're on top of this game or get arrested.

    In the meantime, the money you are sucking out of the economy is not available to do the kind of dev work you'd prefer.

    You lose.

    Intelligent?

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    1. Re:enlightened self-interest by Threni · · Score: 1

      Hmm. You start and finish suggesting that you'll harm yourself by doing wrong. In between there's something of a far fetched example, sort-of leading to a suggestion that your criminal buddies may be so successful at accruing cash that there'll not be enough money in the world to pay for the development of new software, in the same way that a dastardly James Bond bad guy might own the world's rice supply and hold governments to ransom.

      I was just poking a bit of fun at this persistent idea that criminals are inherently lacking intelligence. There's a lot of very wealthy criminals who've managed to outsmart well funded police forces and other organisations for years and retired early. Sometimes the criminals ARE the government. People often assign other, more of less randomly chosen negative attributes onto people they don't like. Black people are animals, foreigners are dirty, 'terrorists' who shoot US soldiers in Iraq are 'cowards' (while, of course, people flying bombers 30,000ft up are 'brave') etc. If you want to make a case that a given criminal is stupid then fine - there are indeed very many stupid criminals. But in this particular case there's every chance that if done properly it will be very hard to catch the criminals. Googling for `Assassination Politics` might also result in some interesting reading.

    2. Re:enlightened self-interest by reiisi · · Score: 1

      There is a kind of "intelligence" that can win at chess.

      There is another kind of intelligence that knows when to play chess and when to play music.

      You don't have to believe in God so much as simply eventually recognize that their are principles, outside of yourself, which do operate, which are not always amenable to your whims and passions.

      Maybe the criminal never gets caught by the police, but being caught by the police is the least of the bad consequences of immoral behavior.

      You do harm yourself by doing wrong. It's not a suggestion, it's an observation. The example is not far-fetched. Bill Gates has a lot of money, but the society he lives in has been seriously impoverished by his actions. No plot necessary, no ransom demands necessary. Or do you really think Vista is the best possible OS available, MSOffice is the best documents solution possible, etc.?

      Ever wondered why the housing market went bust? Admitted, there are rules against encrypting someone's data for him without permission, and there are ways around the rules that should have been keeping the banks in check. Either way, immoral behavior is going to come around and bite you, sooner or later.

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  82. This is not new - see cryptovirology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is far from a new idea and has been done far better in the past. Go look up 'Cryptovirology' (if you you can't be bothered ot make any real effort - just read the wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptovirology )
      or (if you can deal with the author's pretentious, patronising and self indulgent style) read "Exposing Cryptovirology" ( http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3943108/Malicious.Cryptography.Exposing.Cryptovirology )

    And besides, everyone knows the way of doing this is with stock price manipulation...

  83. How about a multi-company antivirus SMASH fund??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's an idea... Instead of all of these AV vendors spending (between them) thousands of dollars paying off criminals, maybe they should create a multi-company "decapitation smash fund".

    Basically they use this money to track down the lowlife gobshites, cut their heads off and then smash their herads clean off with big lump hammers.

  84. another innovation for Win32 by rs232 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't even run on OS X or Linux .. :)

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  85. technical details .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    "The virus encrypts all user files with the extensions listed below"

    Does it require administrator rights to function?

    Does it run on Vista with User Account Control active?

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  86. Re:Oh please! We all know there aren't any REAL ba by scribblej · · Score: 2, Insightful


    The main factor in Nigerian fraud, is that part of the Nigerian population that believe that God created cretins so they could be scammed. Not a very christian beliefe:
      Yes its true, Christianity would stop Nigerian scams - send more missionaries


    I can't help but notice that if you are correct, what might help them even more is not believing in silly propositions like "God" and "Christianity."

  87. Re:Oh please! We all know there aren't any REAL ba by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

    If you are an atheist, then YOU are the fool!

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  88. Re:Oh please! We all know there aren't any REAL ba by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

    Yes its true, Christianity would stop Nigerian scams - send more missionaries :-) Yes, please do. Missionaries are great with coco pops in the morning. Nom nom nom!
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  89. Re:Anti-Malware Response - IN FAIRNESS TO Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "trusting a 'commercial' 'hardware' router to protect a windows machine is insane, even if you've replaced the firmware with some variant of linux, it's Still Not hardened like smoothwall..." - by kesuki (321456) on Thursday June 05, @07:00PM (#23675839) I think you had best take a peek @ this (results from a multiplatform security test, based on industry best practices, for security on multiple OS'):

    HOW TO SECURE Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 & VISTA, plus, make it "fun to do" via the multiplatform CIS Tool guidance:

    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?s=50594c00cc0a618384e0293079653093&t=246538

    Neither Windows, nor Linux (or even BSD variants) are setup, security-wise, NOT NEARLY AS WELL AS THEY CAN BE (e.g. - both LINUX & WINDOWS scores on CIS Tool are around 46.xxx/100 out of the box, stock), w/ just a bit of work + testing.

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    "fine if you have all linux/bsd machines, but windows has as much security as the emperor had new clothes, even with a $$$ security suite." - by kesuki (321456) on Thursday June 05, @07:00PM (#23675839) Same with Linux, period... or, even OTHER Os' too.

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    "sad but true" - by kesuki (321456) on Thursday June 05, @07:00PM (#23675839) Sad but true? See the above... same with Linux, BSD variants (like MacOS or FreeBSD etc.), Solaris, etc. et al...

    APK

    P.S.=> Enough w/ the "Pro-*NIX" b.s. you guys spread around here, ok? It gets a bit sickening, & is JUST PURE "F.U.D." & by that? I mean F'd up DISINFORMATION!... apk