Of course, the addiction possibility here would be high. Imagine how much work place productivity would suffer if every time an employee came back to work each morning they've spent a virtual 6-months away in paradise.
Actually I can see employers salivating over it. Image an employer having employees, slaves, working 12 hour days 7 days a week. All they'd need to do was "send" the employee on a vacation that though seems like 2 weeks to the employee is actually only 1/2 an hour.
I was opposed to the invasion of Iraq to begin with. I was also opposed to Reagan and Bush Sr's support of Saddam throughout the 1980s, when he was using WMDs.
and didn't have military bases in Turkey
The US should withdraw most of the military bases throughout the world period. Bring the military personnel home then institute a citizen's militia. Have a small professional core of military personnel then have citizens protect the country.
No prob. I have a new MacBook Pro I ordered in August and at first I was thinking of installing Ubuntu, however since I got the MBP I've been wondering what good it would be to install it to dualboot with Tiger. Right now I'm mainly concerned with storage space and installing Ubuntu would use space I could use for something else.
I'm willing to bet that you occasionally shopped at the garden center.
Some but I also saved seeds. Where I live now, in Minnesota which shares a border with Canada, I pretty much have to buy seedlings. Now if I had a greenhouse I could start seeds perhaps a month before the last frost date in the greenhouse then I wouldn't need to buy seedlings. Or I could garden hydroponically all year, there's a hydroponic garden store within a few blocks of me. Fertilizer? I compost everything I can, I even add old food or peels such as from bananas and grind any bones to add. I have 2 cats and the corn based litter I also put in the compost. Reduce, Reuse, and Recycle.
Well, GMO'd work animals would still be beneficial. If you could get the local disease resistance of the zebra with the domestication and utility of a mule - that could be very useful.
In the Andes of South America many people such as Native American Indians use llamas for this, no GMOs needed. They are used much like mules for hauling cargo. Some places in Africa and Southeast Asia use elephants for the same thing. If instead of slaughtering elephants for the ivory more were domesticated they could be used the same way.
imagine wild animals constantly getting into your garden - monkeys and other such things.
If it wasn't for conflicts and politics many would be have enough food without GMOs or chemical inputs.
I strongly disagree. Even the West would have trouble feeding itself without chemical fertilizer - and even that would require giving up most meat and grains. Grain in particular is very dependent on chemical fertilizer. In the West we could survive, though, because we can afford it.
What exactly is it the US produces now, other than food? Knowledge?
Bombs of course. The US makes bombs, which it sells to dictators for dollars. The dictators get these dollars by selling oil to China. The Chinese get them from the US by making actual useful stuff. And so the triangle is complete.
Unfortunately this is true. However even the government and defense contractors are outsourcing work. Boeing has outsourced work to India. Under Bush Blackwater does much of the security contracting in Iraq. And who is Blackwater? Ex Pentagon employees and those who actually provide security in Iraq, and Afghanistan, are military trained ex SEALs and Special Forces. The military trained them then they left the Army or Navy to work for Blackwater making a lot more, for the same work. What bugs me is that when I was in the Army the unit I was in trained Rangers and Officer cadets in Officer Cadet School, OCS, as well as trained with the Special Forces. While my pay was less than $800 a month in the army, as a contractor working for someone like Blackwater if it had existed then I could of made more than that a week. For doing the same work. Ah mercenaries get paid so much better. And where does the money come from? US taxpayers! Taxes go up so some private businesses can make money.
So, "In God We Trust" has been on US coins since at least 1908, when the motto was added to the half-eagle.
1908 is some 44 years after 1864, when the post I replied to said "In God We Trust" was added. I don't know when it was first added but was there a national motto, other than "E Pluribus Unum" before congress passed the act in 1956 which made "In God We Trust" the motto? Sorry but this topic, "In God We Trust", really bothers me. I still recall experiencing a ruler forcibly applied to my hands for not saying "under God" when saying the Pledge of Allegiance in a public not private elementary school, I wouldn't say it because it was against my religious beliefs.
RoR and.NET don't have anything in common (not even a single letter!), pursue different goals and are used for different purposes. Compare.NET to Java or Parrot if You must.
Perhaps you missed where I said I wasn't a developer, nor am I a programmer.
There are a bunch of languages a person can use. Way back when, some 30 years ago, I started programming with BASIC. Since then I've used C/C++, FORTRAN, Java, and Pascal. I've been thinking I'd like to learn Smalltalk.
It is relevant. Not all Open Source is developed only for the company to use. A lot of OSS is developed by a community and some by those who intend to sale the software. Samba isn't developed by one company only for that company! Redhat sales Linux as well as provides services for it. The same applies to Suse/Novell and many other distros.
There are currently limitations on habeas corpus for aliens, not citizens.
The GP is right and you're wrong on this. All the Bush admin feels it needs to do is call someone an enemy combatant. This admin denied the US citizen Jose Padilla habeas corpus. CATO has called this a Dangerous Precedent.
Apparently, we've been fascists ever since 1864 (when this motto was placed on coins).
"In God We Trust" was put on US coins and currency in 1956 with the passage of an Act of Congress. Prior to this E Pluribus Unum, meaning "out of many, (is) one," was used.
I did the same, er I supported Badnarik. As I had moved I didn't change my registration in tyme to vote. Now I'm supporting Ron Paul. And if I have to I'll change my party from "No Party Preference" to "Republican" so I can vote for him in the primary.
I'm not entirely sure why Turkey was ever considered a potential entrant, but I suppose in this, as in everything, standards slip.
Because Turkey is a European country! If not all of Europe is allowed to join I don't think it's appropriate the call it "Europe". Maybe "half of Europe" or "Only European nations we like".
The EU is a self-serving alliance of countries, not a charity
Do you know how many people from Turkey live in Germany? Fact is is many live there now.
As long as you can vote and those votes are actually counted by someone you have power over the rich and the corrupt.
But can you vote, or will you be turned back at a roadblock or have your name added to a "do not vote list" like what happened in Florida in 2000. Even if you vote, how do you know the Diebold voting machine won't record your vote as a vote for Bush when you voted for someone else?
I guess I don't understand the usage of this...or the danger of it. I mean, doesn't everyone want their country/nation to come out on top? Isn't that what a nation's government works for (supposedly)?
No, a national or federal government's job is to defend the nation and protect its citizens, but not as a nanny. "You can't do this, you can't eat that."
You've got me there. However more weapons aren't needed.
3) Software of any sort
Software could be, and is, done all over the world. Take Microsoft, MS has opened campuses in both China and India. "Business Week" has an article on where US companies are send jobs to including programming jobs, Major Players in Outsourcing. Ubuntu has African roots.
4) Basic research and devt. (not readily marketable AND given for free to the rest of the world. We are the absolute leader in "pure" research investment, though starting to slow down for obvious reasons).
5) Applied research, design, and devt. (sattelites, pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics, you name it)
This is true now, but with both China and India graduating millions of engineering and other high tech majors, for how long will it last?
6) Agriculture (including the GM foods that EU farmers are scared of).
Go back to my post, where I said "other than food".
7) Exporting Democracy!
Yea, right. NOT!!! The US only ever exports democracy when it serves the administration's or businesses' objectives. The US has repeatedly supported coups against democratically elected governments, assassinations of leaders, and has even supported the invasion of one democratic nation by dictators of another, twice. In 1975 President Ford and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger supported Indonesia's Suharto's invasion of East Timor. After the invasion some 200,000 East Timorese were killed, that's 1/3 of the population of East Timor. In the 1980s President Reagan and his VP Bush Sr supported Saddam Hussein's attack and invasion of Iran. Even as Saddam was using all of those Weapons of Mass Destruction against Iran as well as people in Iraq. Targeted were the Kurds and Marsh Arabs among others. It was only when Saddam invaded Kuwait, an emirate not a democracy, when the US's support of Saddam came to an end.
Back to agriculture. I ask what need there is for GMO food? There is no need for it is the answer.
That is why F.C.C. rules should be changed to ban paid-for political ads on radio, tv, satellite and cable.
BS! This is an abridgment of the Right to Free Speech. If I have a million dollars and want to run for a political office there should be no law saying I can't buy tv or radio ads. And if my message resonants with others nothing should stop them from also buying ads that support my candidacy, or oppose it. Banning corporate bought ads is one thing but banning a person's ads is wrong.
They should bring back the old rules where broadcasters commit on their license/renewal applications to a minimum amount of public affairs programming (which could included free political time) and limits on the maximum number of commercial minutesper hour.
Wrong again. No license should be required to broadcast, radio or tv. As a successor to the Federal Radio Commission the Federal Communications Commission was created in an ear of scarcity of airwaves. Today there is no scarcity so the FCC should be abolished and anyone who wants to should be able to broadcast. There would be no more Pirate radio stations as they could legally broadcast. All that would be needed was for certain frequencies to be reserved for emergency communications like fire rescue, ambulances, and police.
Most of the corruption we see with our politicians relates to them selling out to obtain money for campaigns. Eliminating money from the picture for radio and tv would certainly lessen the need to raise money for campaigns.
Opening up the airwaves would lessen the need for money for campaigns.
Having a free and diverse press and broadcasters and a free flow of information is essential for democracy to function properly.
There will only be a free and diverse media when a license isn't needed to broadcast.
an unrelated incident occurred. Thank you for admitting (by omission) that the Brazil Nut incident is a good example of being proactive and responsible.:)
It may of been proactive in this case but businesses aren't proactive in others. Despite being warned there were problems at Union Carbide's plant in India nothing was done, which caused the death of about 23,000 people in Bhupal. Fishermen in Alaska still haven't been compensated when their livelihood was ruined after the Exxon Valdez oil spill.
No, you misunderstand me - just as many people were killed in areas where the genocide was taking place as where there was no genocide. People were killing each other over land as well
Oh, ok.
Africa leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to farming traditional crops. They didn't evolve there and so they don't have any resistance to local conditions.
They don't have local predators or pests either. Fact is is when many non native species are introduced into an environment they can overtake native species and out compeat them as with Kudzu between eastern Texas and the Mid Atlantic states. Native to Japan Kudzu has crowded out native species in man places in these states. Or take Zebra mussels in the Great Lakes. Being native to Asia they have no predators in the Great Lakes and so are able to negatively impact the native mussels in the Great Lakes.
Things like corn require a lot of fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides, etc - and that is in their "native" environment!
Corn is not native to Africa, though grown throughout the Americas it's native to Mexico. And it doesn't need a lot of chemical inputs. Do you live in the US and know what Thanksgiving is about? Early settlers were shown how to grow corn by the Native American Indians. Organic farmers use no chemical input and they are able to grow corn along with all other crops.
These are not suitable for the subsistence farmer, who has little to no access to fertilizer (especially if you take away the animals!)
You don't need to take animals away, just don't raise animals as a main source of food. Actually animals are needed, they take plants, organic matter, and converts them to fertilizer for more crops. Where animals are a problem is where there is more of them in an area that can't feed them all.
As for subsidence farming, I used to be able to grow a lot of my own food where I lived. Living in Florida I was able to garden 9 to 10 months a year during which tyme I was able to harvest three tymes with some crops. It would of been possible to grow enough in the backyard to raise half of my food with plenty left to trade with others what I didn't grow. And I still had plenty of tyme to work full time. The longest amount of tyme involved was sowing, from preparing the garden to planting seeds or seedlings. Harvesting didn't even take too much tyme, when cooking I could just go out and pick what I wanted. Or I could spend a couple of hours to harvest then cook and can what I wanted. In much of Africa there is an even longer growing season. A person could grow some food, both to eat his or herself and to trade. Then they could also build furniture to sale, with the wood scraps added to the compost. Or a person could make for sale clothing. In Uganda Gulu Landmine Victims Earn a Living From Clay" making pottery. Some are using pottery to purify water.
If it wasn't for conflicts and politics many would be have enough food without GMOs or chemical inputs.
If people say "Facebook's the flavor of the month and it's never going to warrant a $15 billion value because the next flavor of the month will come along and steal its thunder," then Microsoft wins because Facebook can never find other investors at that valuation. That creates a cascade effect of investor avoidance, forcing Facebook's actual value down to where it's reasonable and Microsoft can snatch it up at a bargain.
Actually if I could I'd be tempted to invest in Facebook. MS only got a 1.6% stake in Facebook, Google can afford to pay 5$500M for 3%. When one investor puts that much into an investment it makes it easier for others to invest as well, money follows money.
For a lot of patents they can't anyway.. we have no software patents here so a lot of the MS patents are basically US only in the first place. It's an easy shoe-in for microsoft to say they won't assert them, since they don't (in a legal sense) exist... they've lost nothing.
However by the fact that whoever accepted the terms on not suing for patent violations, I'd say they were looking at a tyme when software patents were valid in the EU.
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Of course, the addiction possibility here would be high. Imagine how much work place productivity would suffer if every time an employee came back to work each morning they've spent a virtual 6-months away in paradise.
Actually I can see employers salivating over it. Image an employer having employees, slaves, working 12 hour days 7 days a week. All they'd need to do was "send" the employee on a vacation that though seems like 2 weeks to the employee is actually only 1/2 an hour.
FalconI was opposed to the invasion of Iraq to begin with. I was also opposed to Reagan and Bush Sr's support of Saddam throughout the 1980s, when he was using WMDs.
and didn't have military bases in Turkey
The US should withdraw most of the military bases throughout the world period. Bring the military personnel home then institute a citizen's militia. Have a small professional core of military personnel then have citizens protect the country.
FalconIntriguing.. thank you!
No prob. I have a new MacBook Pro I ordered in August and at first I was thinking of installing Ubuntu, however since I got the MBP I've been wondering what good it would be to install it to dualboot with Tiger. Right now I'm mainly concerned with storage space and installing Ubuntu would use space I could use for something else.
FalconI'm willing to bet that you occasionally shopped at the garden center.
Some but I also saved seeds. Where I live now, in Minnesota which shares a border with Canada, I pretty much have to buy seedlings. Now if I had a greenhouse I could start seeds perhaps a month before the last frost date in the greenhouse then I wouldn't need to buy seedlings. Or I could garden hydroponically all year, there's a hydroponic garden store within a few blocks of me. Fertilizer? I compost everything I can, I even add old food or peels such as from bananas and grind any bones to add. I have 2 cats and the corn based litter I also put in the compost. Reduce, Reuse, and Recycle.
Well, GMO'd work animals would still be beneficial. If you could get the local disease resistance of the zebra with the domestication and utility of a mule - that could be very useful.
In the Andes of South America many people such as Native American Indians use llamas for this, no GMOs needed. They are used much like mules for hauling cargo. Some places in Africa and Southeast Asia use elephants for the same thing. If instead of slaughtering elephants for the ivory more were domesticated they could be used the same way.
imagine wild animals constantly getting into your garden - monkeys and other such things.
At one tyme I used fox urine to control deer where I lived. It was also good for rabbits. Farmers in Africa are catching on to the use of peppers and other natural methods to control pests. Here's a study on the use of Indigenous Technical Knowledge and Use of Forest Plant Products for Sustainable Control of Crop Pests in Ogun State, Nigeria.
If it wasn't for conflicts and politics many would be have enough food without GMOs or chemical inputs.
I strongly disagree. Even the West would have trouble feeding itself without chemical fertilizer - and even that would require giving up most meat and grains. Grain in particular is very dependent on chemical fertilizer. In the West we could survive, though, because we can afford it.
Do you have any evidence? Here's some links, including scientific studies, to support my position: A study, "Comparisons of organic and conventional chemical farming systems" shows that organic farming can be just as productive, if not more so, as conventional western farming. Another shows organics can produce 3 tymes as much as conventional. An article from "New Scientist" is about how "Organic farming could feed the world."
FalconWhat exactly is it the US produces now, other than food? Knowledge?
Bombs of course. The US makes bombs, which it sells to dictators for dollars. The dictators get these dollars by selling oil to China. The Chinese get them from the US by making actual useful stuff. And so the triangle is complete.
Unfortunately this is true. However even the government and defense contractors are outsourcing work. Boeing has outsourced work to India. Under Bush Blackwater does much of the security contracting in Iraq. And who is Blackwater? Ex Pentagon employees and those who actually provide security in Iraq, and Afghanistan, are military trained ex SEALs and Special Forces. The military trained them then they left the Army or Navy to work for Blackwater making a lot more, for the same work. What bugs me is that when I was in the Army the unit I was in trained Rangers and Officer cadets in Officer Cadet School, OCS, as well as trained with the Special Forces. While my pay was less than $800 a month in the army, as a contractor working for someone like Blackwater if it had existed then I could of made more than that a week. For doing the same work. Ah mercenaries get paid so much better. And where does the money come from? US taxpayers! Taxes go up so some private businesses can make money.
FalconSo, "In God We Trust" has been on US coins since at least 1908, when the motto was added to the half-eagle.
1908 is some 44 years after 1864, when the post I replied to said "In God We Trust" was added. I don't know when it was first added but was there a national motto, other than "E Pluribus Unum" before congress passed the act in 1956 which made "In God We Trust" the motto? Sorry but this topic, "In God We Trust", really bothers me. I still recall experiencing a ruler forcibly applied to my hands for not saying "under God" when saying the Pledge of Allegiance in a public not private elementary school, I wouldn't say it because it was against my religious beliefs.
FalconRoR and .NET don't have anything in common (not even a single letter!), pursue different goals and are used for different purposes. Compare .NET to Java or Parrot if You must.
Perhaps you missed where I said I wasn't a developer, nor am I a programmer.
Falcondesktop application?
There are a bunch of languages a person can use. Way back when, some 30 years ago, I started programming with BASIC. Since then I've used C/C++, FORTRAN, Java, and Pascal. I've been thinking I'd like to learn Smalltalk.
FalconIt is meaningless for the most part however it's useful for those who want to separate "Us" from "Them" as a form of nationalism.
FalconOn that line why are Canada, Mexico, Brazil, chile and Argentina not states?
Duh, because they are independent nations.
And why is Hawaii a state?
Because it was invaded.
European Union, not Europe. The fact that the name is different should hint that it is not all of Europe.
Is or is not "Europe" in the name?
FalconBecause it's not a nonprofit.
That's not relevant.
employee is developing.
It is relevant. Not all Open Source is developed only for the company to use. A lot of OSS is developed by a community and some by those who intend to sale the software. Samba isn't developed by one company only for that company! Redhat sales Linux as well as provides services for it. The same applies to Suse/Novell and many other distros.
FalconI'd love to try out Linux more than I have but until there's a better way to actually download the cd images, I really can't.
You can have a Ubuntu cd sent to you for free. It's a Live CD you can tryout Ubuntu before installing it.
FalconThere are currently limitations on habeas corpus for aliens, not citizens.
The GP is right and you're wrong on this. All the Bush admin feels it needs to do is call someone an enemy combatant. This admin denied the US citizen Jose Padilla habeas corpus. CATO has called this a Dangerous Precedent.
FalconApparently, we've been fascists ever since 1864 (when this motto was placed on coins).
"In God We Trust" was put on US coins and currency in 1956 with the passage of an Act of Congress. Prior to this E Pluribus Unum, meaning "out of many, (is) one," was used.
FalconI did the same, er I supported Badnarik. As I had moved I didn't change my registration in tyme to vote. Now I'm supporting Ron Paul. And if I have to I'll change my party from "No Party Preference" to "Republican" so I can vote for him in the primary.
FalconI'm not entirely sure why Turkey was ever considered a potential entrant, but I suppose in this, as in everything, standards slip.
Because Turkey is a European country! If not all of Europe is allowed to join I don't think it's appropriate the call it "Europe". Maybe "half of Europe" or "Only European nations we like".
The EU is a self-serving alliance of countries, not a charity
Do you know how many people from Turkey live in Germany? Fact is is many live there now.
FalconThe business would still have to pay the royalties.
Why?
Because it's not a nonprofit.
FslconAs long as you can vote and those votes are actually counted by someone you have power over the rich and the corrupt.
But can you vote, or will you be turned back at a roadblock or have your name added to a "do not vote list" like what happened in Florida in 2000. Even if you vote, how do you know the Diebold voting machine won't record your vote as a vote for Bush when you voted for someone else?
FalconI guess I don't understand the usage of this...or the danger of it. I mean, doesn't everyone want their country/nation to come out on top? Isn't that what a nation's government works for (supposedly)?
No, a national or federal government's job is to defend the nation and protect its citizens, but not as a nanny. "You can't do this, you can't eat that."
Falcon1) Music/movies (we outsell the rest of the World in these combined).
Other places like Bollywood are coming on strong.
2) Advanced weapons sales
You've got me there. However more weapons aren't needed.
3) Software of any sort
Software could be, and is, done all over the world. Take Microsoft, MS has opened campuses in both China and India. "Business Week" has an article on where US companies are send jobs to including programming jobs, Major Players in Outsourcing . Ubuntu has African roots.
4) Basic research and devt. (not readily marketable AND given for free to the rest of the world. We are the absolute leader in "pure" research investment, though starting to slow down for obvious reasons).
5) Applied research, design, and devt. (sattelites, pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics, you name it)
This is true now, but with both China and India graduating millions of engineering and other high tech majors, for how long will it last?
6) Agriculture (including the GM foods that EU farmers are scared of).
Go back to my post, where I said "other than food".
7) Exporting Democracy!
Yea, right. NOT!!! The US only ever exports democracy when it serves the administration's or businesses' objectives. The US has repeatedly supported coups against democratically elected governments, assassinations of leaders, and has even supported the invasion of one democratic nation by dictators of another, twice. In 1975 President Ford and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger supported Indonesia's Suharto's invasion of East Timor. After the invasion some 200,000 East Timorese were killed, that's 1/3 of the population of East Timor. In the 1980s President Reagan and his VP Bush Sr supported Saddam Hussein's attack and invasion of Iran. Even as Saddam was using all of those Weapons of Mass Destruction against Iran as well as people in Iraq. Targeted were the Kurds and Marsh Arabs among others. It was only when Saddam invaded Kuwait, an emirate not a democracy, when the US's support of Saddam came to an end.
Back to agriculture. I ask what need there is for GMO food? There is no need for it is the answer.
FalconThat is why F.C.C. rules should be changed to ban paid-for political ads on radio, tv, satellite and cable.
BS! This is an abridgment of the Right to Free Speech. If I have a million dollars and want to run for a political office there should be no law saying I can't buy tv or radio ads. And if my message resonants with others nothing should stop them from also buying ads that support my candidacy, or oppose it. Banning corporate bought ads is one thing but banning a person's ads is wrong.
They should bring back the old rules where broadcasters commit on their license/renewal applications to a minimum amount of public affairs programming (which could included free political time) and limits on the maximum number of commercial minutesper hour.
Wrong again. No license should be required to broadcast, radio or tv. As a successor to the Federal Radio Commission the Federal Communications Commission was created in an ear of scarcity of airwaves. Today there is no scarcity so the FCC should be abolished and anyone who wants to should be able to broadcast. There would be no more Pirate radio stations as they could legally broadcast. All that would be needed was for certain frequencies to be reserved for emergency communications like fire rescue, ambulances, and police.
Most of the corruption we see with our politicians relates to them selling out to obtain money for campaigns. Eliminating money from the picture for radio and tv would certainly lessen the need to raise money for campaigns.
Opening up the airwaves would lessen the need for money for campaigns.
Having a free and diverse press and broadcasters and a free flow of information is essential for democracy to function properly.
There will only be a free and diverse media when a license isn't needed to broadcast.
Falconan unrelated incident occurred. Thank you for admitting (by omission) that the Brazil Nut incident is a good example of being proactive and responsible. :)
It may of been proactive in this case but businesses aren't proactive in others. Despite being warned there were problems at Union Carbide's plant in India nothing was done, which caused the death of about 23,000 people in Bhupal. Fishermen in Alaska still haven't been compensated when their livelihood was ruined after the Exxon Valdez oil spill.
FalconNo, you misunderstand me - just as many people were killed in areas where the genocide was taking place as where there was no genocide. People were killing each other over land as well
Oh, ok.
Africa leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to farming traditional crops. They didn't evolve there and so they don't have any resistance to local conditions.
They don't have local predators or pests either. Fact is is when many non native species are introduced into an environment they can overtake native species and out compeat them as with Kudzu between eastern Texas and the Mid Atlantic states. Native to Japan Kudzu has crowded out native species in man places in these states. Or take Zebra mussels in the Great Lakes. Being native to Asia they have no predators in the Great Lakes and so are able to negatively impact the native mussels in the Great Lakes.
Things like corn require a lot of fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides, etc - and that is in their "native" environment!
Corn is not native to Africa, though grown throughout the Americas it's native to Mexico. And it doesn't need a lot of chemical inputs. Do you live in the US and know what Thanksgiving is about? Early settlers were shown how to grow corn by the Native American Indians. Organic farmers use no chemical input and they are able to grow corn along with all other crops.
These are not suitable for the subsistence farmer, who has little to no access to fertilizer (especially if you take away the animals!)
You don't need to take animals away, just don't raise animals as a main source of food. Actually animals are needed, they take plants, organic matter, and converts them to fertilizer for more crops. Where animals are a problem is where there is more of them in an area that can't feed them all.
As for subsidence farming, I used to be able to grow a lot of my own food where I lived. Living in Florida I was able to garden 9 to 10 months a year during which tyme I was able to harvest three tymes with some crops. It would of been possible to grow enough in the backyard to raise half of my food with plenty left to trade with others what I didn't grow. And I still had plenty of tyme to work full time. The longest amount of tyme involved was sowing, from preparing the garden to planting seeds or seedlings. Harvesting didn't even take too much tyme, when cooking I could just go out and pick what I wanted. Or I could spend a couple of hours to harvest then cook and can what I wanted. In much of Africa there is an even longer growing season. A person could grow some food, both to eat his or herself and to trade. Then they could also build furniture to sale, with the wood scraps added to the compost. Or a person could make for sale clothing. In Uganda Gulu Landmine Victims Earn a Living From Clay" making pottery. Some are using pottery to purify water.
If it wasn't for conflicts and politics many would be have enough food without GMOs or chemical inputs.
FalconIf people say "Facebook's the flavor of the month and it's never going to warrant a $15 billion value because the next flavor of the month will come along and steal its thunder," then Microsoft wins because Facebook can never find other investors at that valuation. That creates a cascade effect of investor avoidance, forcing Facebook's actual value down to where it's reasonable and Microsoft can snatch it up at a bargain.
Actually if I could I'd be tempted to invest in Facebook. MS only got a 1.6% stake in Facebook, Google can afford to pay 5$500M for 3%. When one investor puts that much into an investment it makes it easier for others to invest as well, money follows money.
FalconFor a lot of patents they can't anyway.. we have no software patents here so a lot of the MS patents are basically US only in the first place. It's an easy shoe-in for microsoft to say they won't assert them, since they don't (in a legal sense) exist... they've lost nothing.
However by the fact that whoever accepted the terms on not suing for patent violations, I'd say they were looking at a tyme when software patents were valid in the EU.
Falcon