One problem I had was where I would accidentally double-click a file too slowly, which causes you to rename a file. Not paying attention, I would be typing, then realized that I was accidentally renaming a file. I hit Escape to cancel, but it proceeded to rename the file to what I had typed thus far. It should have reverted the file to the original name.
I've done this too however I don't blame the Finder for it, it's my own fault. Something I've noticed when I do it it happens when I click on the file name but it never has when I've clicked on the icon. As for the changed name, a quick command + z changes it back.
i hate to be the one to bring it up, but Ubuntu 7.10 won't cost me a dime...
But what will Ubuntu give me that I can't get with OS X? Having switched from Windows I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro I got about 2 months ago. Before I got it I had planned on dualbooting it with Ubuntu but now that I have it I'm wondering just what installing Ubuntu will give me or allow me to do that I can't do now. On the other hand I've got a PC running Linspire Linux and I've been thinking about installing Ubuntu on it as a server.
you have to pay the Apple tax on what is essentially an over-priced PC
Where have you been lately? Apples are not overpriced. Some similarly specified Macs and Windows PCs are generally similarly priced. In some cases the Mac is lower priced and in other it's higher priced.
most Windows 'purchases' come when you buy a PC
The same with Macs. I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro I bought about 2 months ago and just as the PCs I've bought came with Windows preinstalled so did my MBP come with Tiger preinstalled.
So why not compare the price of a similarly equipped and similarly capable PC to a Mac, and then tell me which one is cheaper?
I have, have you? Before I bought my MBP I compared prices between similarly configured Macs and PCs from different OEMs. With some configurations the Macs were cheaper and with other the PCs were cheaper.
Most folks find it useful to be able to spend as much money as they need to on the features they want, without having to pay extra for features they won't use.
And what about paying for "features" you don't want? Like Activation, WGA/WPA? I used to be a Windows user but in part because MS wants to treat me like a criminal I switched, I am typing this on a MacBook Pro.
A mate bought a MacBook several months ago and even he got a free Leopard upgrade voucher. But it was before it was delayed.
I got my Macbook Pro in August just about 2 months ago but I didn't get any sort of upgrade offer. Maybe if I went down to the Apple store I could get it, but to tell the truth I don't see anything it offers I would like. Time Machine? I got backup software with my MBP. About the only thing I was looking for, a long shot, was Leopard having Windows APIs so Windows software could run in OS X without needing Windows.
About the only exception I'd make to that is memory - if you go to the default Apple Store, and add memory that way, you're pretty much guaranteed to get screwed (which is sad, especially considering how easy it is to upgrade the memory in Apple's notebooks yourself).
That's one thing I don't like about Apple's pricing. I recently bought a Macbook Pro with 2GB RAM, 4GB was an option however it was a few hundred dollars more. Buying RAM elsewhere only cost half that, unfortunately the warranty won't cover Macs with third party RAM installed, so I've been told by someone at Apple. I couldn't justify the added cost at the tyme so I asked about adding more RAM if I found out I needed it.
Now that Apple Computers are become very common in Colleges it means the elasticity for Apple Products had decreased so Apple can charge more for the student version.
At one tyme Apple had half the educational market share, and their educational discounts back then were 50%.
I've never really understood the student discount thing. If they can afford to sell things significantly cheaper than full retail, why not just apply it across the board?
Education discounts serve the same purpose as when MS did little if anything to discourage pirates, the more a given software (or OS) is used the more the market share. Once people get used to it when they finally have to pay, or pay more, they're already hooked. It's similar with dumping. Manufacturer A makes product X then sells it low which drives out competition. Once the competition is out of business A can then raise prices.
This doesn't explain all of it but it highlights some of the reasons for discounts.
It used to be that for software anyway, the student discounts represented a significant savings, which was great for poor college students.
It used to be that Apple's education discounts were significant. Up until the early or mid '90s the discount was about 50%. A student, or the faculty and staff, could walk into the college bookstore and buy a Mac for half of what they sold for in commercial stores. Back then Apple had half the market share in education, then about the same tyme MS released Win95 Apple slashed the discount. Thereafter Apple lost it's market position. Now the only discounts Apple has that are significant, ie more than 10%, are through Apple Developer Connection.
So basically buying a naked PC is more expensive if you're going to install Windows then, it's only cheaper if you're installing one of the unices, BSD or Linux.
Not sure what you mean here, but I dont think thats an accurate re-statement of what I said. Basically, what I meant is that all the MS VL programs I've seen requires you to buy your PCs (ie, desktops & laptops, but not servers) with a windows OS for your OS licenses in the VL program to work.
If you buy a PC with Windows preinstalled you pay less than if you buy a naked PC then install Windows. Even if you have a volume license if as you say the PC still has to have a version of Windows installed to use a volume licensed upgrade, it's still cheaper to have Windows preinstalled.
NewEgg
I meant windows licenses, not PCs
Ok.
You can definitely build a PC for yourself from parts from NewEgg cheaper than most manufacturers. But its not worth the time/trouble to everybody
Agreed about the trouble of building your own. I can probably do more with hardware than most people but I've never compleatly built my own PC, about all I've done is add RAM and installed a second hdd as well as a second video card. It used to be that someone knowing what they're doing could build their own PC cheaper than buying one, but now I think the only tyme this is true is when there are specific hardware requirements so it's basically a custom build.
For desktops/laptops its not cost effective, and even volume licensing usually requires you to buy the machine with a windows OS on it for your VL licenses to work.
So basically buying a naked PC is more expensive if you're going to install Windows then, it's only cheaper if you're installing one of the unices, BSD or Linux.
For servers though its pretty common. As someone else noted, Dell's price for Windows server products is not that good.
The same here.
You can do better with NewEgg or your own volume licensing program.
I don't know about NewEgg, are you talking about buying PCs or licenses from them? Can you order custom PCs from them? If so, I wonder if it's cheaper to have NewEgg build you one or if you can build your own cheaper. Right now it doesn't matter to me much, a bit over a year ago I bought a PC with Linux preinstalled, which I plan on setting up as a server. And I'm typing this on a Macbook Pro I got 2 months ago. So I should be set for two or three years. Heck unless things change dramatically I expect them to last twice as long.
On a UNIX system like Linux, the updates are performed live with no reboot necessary.
I've installed some Windows updates without needing to reboot and I've had to reboot some Linux updates. Maybe it was just the distro I have, Linspire, but when I first booted up and setup an online account with them I ran update and afterwards it wanted to reboot. However it only took maybe half the tyme to do so than Windows did.
I've seen your sig, above, a number of tymes and I've been wondering what it does for you. In the beginning of August I got a Macbook Pro and before I bought it I was planning on dualbooting it with Ubuntu however after I got it I've been wondering just what benefit installing Ubuntu would give me, other than learning it. As it is now I can drop into the terminal and though there's some differences it's basically the same as the Linux command line.
Frankly, if I were the second-richest person in the world, I'd be happy to cut and run too, even before the business started to tank
Depending on how you look at it it's either fortunate or unfortunate but most of Bill Gates wealth is tied up in Microsoft paper. If MS were to tank he would loose a lot of his wealth. He could try to sell off MS stock however unloading it will create ripples in MS stock prices. MS closed on NASDAQ today at $30.04 on a volume of 47.13M. Selling just 500,000 shares at that price would only raise $15M, however moving that much stock would cause the price of shares to drop. Maybe small lots of stock could be sold, say 10,000 up to about 100,000 spread over a bunch of accounts with different brokers but for Gates to really liquidate even a small portion of MS stock will drive prices down.
I guess what the actual news here is not that Linux server sales are up and the increase is at the expense of their Windows counterparts; the news is, rather, that Michale Dell himself went public with the info. I remember the days when such an event would be unimaginable, regardless of Linux server sales numbers.
Good on Linux. Somewhat humbling for Microsoft, but they'll have to learn to take it like men, from now on (Firefox marketshare, Vista brand fiasco etc.)
While I applaud Dell for offering Linux I think it's foolish to discount or dismiss the fact Dell is a business and could be using Linux preinstalled PCs as a bargaining chip with Microsoft. I'm not saying Dell is but they could take the sales figures for Ubuntu PCs and tell MS that they want the price they pay for Windows to be cut. "Either cut prices or we'll push to sell more Ubuntu systems."
sites. They're ignoring sites nobody links to. If you have a personal site, changes are you also post that url whenever you go to a web forum, thus drawing links to it. You could choose to keep your personal site a secret and have nobody link to your personal website.
AH, but they may be ignoring personal websites, what's an "important" website afterall? There might be a bunch of personal websites that exchange links but no "important" website links to them. Say, there are members of a family spread widely, they could be using personal websites to let keep family members up to date on what's happening. They could also be linked from and link to friends and acquaintances.
There really is no reason to remove the ability to hide the banner, other than to try and inflate the netcraft stats
I think there's a perfectly good reason to hide what a webserver is running. By hiding what the server is it makes it harder for miscreants, cracker, and blackhats to break into the system. Not knowing what is running they don't know what exploits will work. Obviously though, it may not matter much if a domain is being parked.
If dell wants to track this, they should remove the NO OS option and replace it with a checkbox that says "I don't want to say" and a textbox labeled other. THe user could fill in Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, or whatever they intend to run. Counting NO OS options as linux is stupid for this reason. Heck, I could even install windows on the thing after getting it as "NO OS".
What you say is true but why would anyone buy a naked PC then install Windows? It seems to me a person doing this would either be installing an illegal Windows or would be paying more for a Windows license. The only other way is if they have a volume Windows license.
the only advantage I find on Linux in server space is the flexibility and options allowed by Unix that aren't as easy to access in Windows.
Cost isn't an advantage? If not I wonder what employer has money to burn. Linux is cheaper, basically free, with lower hardware requirements Support costs? Whether it's Windows or Linux, support has to be paid for. About the only area Windows may be cheaper is in systems administration. However I don't think that's valid anymore, because of low prices many are able to learn Linux. But this isn't true for Windows.
Jefferson's political ideal was an agrarian republic of "small" independent farmers. The world of the slave-holding elite
While Thomas Jefferson wanted an agrarian society he was against slavery. Sure, he owned some slaves however all of them he inherited from either his father or his father-in-law, but he himself was antislavery. Some of the slaves he freed. Also in his original drafts of the "Declaration of Independence" he wrote that all people, including negros and women, had the same natural rights he wrote of. That's not exactly the elitist you make him out to be.
I'm going for the many people that seem to suffer this disorder in aggrigate, so that they might wake up from the long nightmare of perceived suffering and be able to see real injustice and dillemas in other cultures
Oh, I'm quite aware of injustice throughout the world such as the San, Bushmen, of southern and western Africa. Because of diamond mining interests the San are being forced off their ancestral homelands in Botswana among other countries. Meanwhile some like De Beers, who also brought South Africa apartheid, are making out like bandits. Cellphones in the west causes conflict and fighting in the Congo over coltan. Elsewhere "Burmese villagers sued oil company Unocal for human rights violations." Back in Africa, oil is fueling Conflict in the Niger Delta.
I think 500k-750k dedicated terrorists already in the country could do some pretty devastating damage.
If someone's really determined it shouldn't even take a tenth of that. Hell less than two dozen brought the US to it's knees. Cells with five members each can strike targets, target bridges, ports, and railroads. Heck look what happened when the northeastern US and Canada had the power grid fail. Now imagine if dedicated cells were to target the power grid, each cell hitting a power plant and the cables.
However I'd rather take my chances with terrorists than with the real threat to liberty, the government!
What sort of computers are the TSA using if it takes 3 days to match a name to a database.
What century are we living in?
1 hour before boarding is reasonable. Allows data entry and organization for response.
Anything more is just a sloppy system.
One minute is unreasonable! The government has no business collecting names period! If an airline wants to do it fine as long as they don't share it with the government, but the government should not be mandating it. Someone who wants to feel "safe" can go ahead and fly on that airline, and I'll fly on the airline who just asks if I can pay for a ticket.
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One problem I had was where I would accidentally double-click a file too slowly, which causes you to rename a file. Not paying attention, I would be typing, then realized that I was accidentally renaming a file. I hit Escape to cancel, but it proceeded to rename the file to what I had typed thus far. It should have reverted the file to the original name.
I've done this too however I don't blame the Finder for it, it's my own fault. Something I've noticed when I do it it happens when I click on the file name but it never has when I've clicked on the icon. As for the changed name, a quick command + z changes it back.
Falconi hate to be the one to bring it up, but Ubuntu 7.10 won't cost me a dime...
But what will Ubuntu give me that I can't get with OS X? Having switched from Windows I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro I got about 2 months ago. Before I got it I had planned on dualbooting it with Ubuntu but now that I have it I'm wondering just what installing Ubuntu will give me or allow me to do that I can't do now. On the other hand I've got a PC running Linspire Linux and I've been thinking about installing Ubuntu on it as a server.
Falconyou have to pay the Apple tax on what is essentially an over-priced PC
Where have you been lately? Apples are not overpriced. Some similarly specified Macs and Windows PCs are generally similarly priced. In some cases the Mac is lower priced and in other it's higher priced.
most Windows 'purchases' come when you buy a PC
The same with Macs. I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro I bought about 2 months ago and just as the PCs I've bought came with Windows preinstalled so did my MBP come with Tiger preinstalled.
So why not compare the price of a similarly equipped and similarly capable PC to a Mac, and then tell me which one is cheaper?
I have, have you? Before I bought my MBP I compared prices between similarly configured Macs and PCs from different OEMs. With some configurations the Macs were cheaper and with other the PCs were cheaper.
Most folks find it useful to be able to spend as much money as they need to on the features they want, without having to pay extra for features they won't use.
And what about paying for "features" you don't want? Like Activation, WGA/WPA? I used to be a Windows user but in part because MS wants to treat me like a criminal I switched, I am typing this on a MacBook Pro.
FalconWhat gets even older than that is the spelling of Microsoft as MS. Stop. It makes you appear laughable.
And does using MSFT bother you also?
FalconA mate bought a MacBook several months ago and even he got a free Leopard upgrade voucher. But it was before it was delayed.
I got my Macbook Pro in August just about 2 months ago but I didn't get any sort of upgrade offer. Maybe if I went down to the Apple store I could get it, but to tell the truth I don't see anything it offers I would like. Time Machine? I got backup software with my MBP. About the only thing I was looking for, a long shot, was Leopard having Windows APIs so Windows software could run in OS X without needing Windows.
FalconAbout the only exception I'd make to that is memory - if you go to the default Apple Store, and add memory that way, you're pretty much guaranteed to get screwed (which is sad, especially considering how easy it is to upgrade the memory in Apple's notebooks yourself).
That's one thing I don't like about Apple's pricing. I recently bought a Macbook Pro with 2GB RAM, 4GB was an option however it was a few hundred dollars more. Buying RAM elsewhere only cost half that, unfortunately the warranty won't cover Macs with third party RAM installed, so I've been told by someone at Apple. I couldn't justify the added cost at the tyme so I asked about adding more RAM if I found out I needed it.
FalconNow that Apple Computers are become very common in Colleges it means the elasticity for Apple Products had decreased so Apple can charge more for the student version.
At one tyme Apple had half the educational market share, and their educational discounts back then were 50%.
FalconI've never really understood the student discount thing. If they can afford to sell things significantly cheaper than full retail, why not just apply it across the board?
Education discounts serve the same purpose as when MS did little if anything to discourage pirates, the more a given software (or OS) is used the more the market share. Once people get used to it when they finally have to pay, or pay more, they're already hooked. It's similar with dumping. Manufacturer A makes product X then sells it low which drives out competition. Once the competition is out of business A can then raise prices.
This doesn't explain all of it but it highlights some of the reasons for discounts.
FalconIt used to be that for software anyway, the student discounts represented a significant savings, which was great for poor college students.
It used to be that Apple's education discounts were significant. Up until the early or mid '90s the discount was about 50%. A student, or the faculty and staff, could walk into the college bookstore and buy a Mac for half of what they sold for in commercial stores. Back then Apple had half the market share in education, then about the same tyme MS released Win95 Apple slashed the discount. Thereafter Apple lost it's market position. Now the only discounts Apple has that are significant, ie more than 10%, are through Apple Developer Connection.
FalconSo basically buying a naked PC is more expensive if you're going to install Windows then, it's only cheaper if you're installing one of the unices, BSD or Linux.
Not sure what you mean here, but I dont think thats an accurate re-statement of what I said. Basically, what I meant is that all the MS VL programs I've seen requires you to buy your PCs (ie, desktops & laptops, but not servers) with a windows OS for your OS licenses in the VL program to work.
If you buy a PC with Windows preinstalled you pay less than if you buy a naked PC then install Windows. Even if you have a volume license if as you say the PC still has to have a version of Windows installed to use a volume licensed upgrade, it's still cheaper to have Windows preinstalled.
NewEgg
I meant windows licenses, not PCs
Ok.
You can definitely build a PC for yourself from parts from NewEgg cheaper than most manufacturers. But its not worth the time/trouble to everybody
Agreed about the trouble of building your own. I can probably do more with hardware than most people but I've never compleatly built my own PC, about all I've done is add RAM and installed a second hdd as well as a second video card. It used to be that someone knowing what they're doing could build their own PC cheaper than buying one, but now I think the only tyme this is true is when there are specific hardware requirements so it's basically a custom build.
FslconFor desktops/laptops its not cost effective, and even volume licensing usually requires you to buy the machine with a windows OS on it for your VL licenses to work.
So basically buying a naked PC is more expensive if you're going to install Windows then, it's only cheaper if you're installing one of the unices, BSD or Linux.
For servers though its pretty common. As someone else noted, Dell's price for Windows server products is not that good.
The same here.
You can do better with NewEgg or your own volume licensing program.
I don't know about NewEgg, are you talking about buying PCs or licenses from them? Can you order custom PCs from them? If so, I wonder if it's cheaper to have NewEgg build you one or if you can build your own cheaper. Right now it doesn't matter to me much, a bit over a year ago I bought a PC with Linux preinstalled, which I plan on setting up as a server. And I'm typing this on a Macbook Pro I got 2 months ago. So I should be set for two or three years. Heck unless things change dramatically I expect them to last twice as long.
FalconOn a UNIX system like Linux, the updates are performed live with no reboot necessary.
I've installed some Windows updates without needing to reboot and I've had to reboot some Linux updates. Maybe it was just the distro I have, Linspire, but when I first booted up and setup an online account with them I ran update and afterwards it wanted to reboot. However it only took maybe half the tyme to do so than Windows did.
Falcon
I've seen your sig, above, a number of tymes and I've been wondering what it does for you. In the beginning of August I got a Macbook Pro and before I bought it I was planning on dualbooting it with Ubuntu however after I got it I've been wondering just what benefit installing Ubuntu would give me, other than learning it. As it is now I can drop into the terminal and though there's some differences it's basically the same as the Linux command line.
FalconFrankly, if I were the second-richest person in the world, I'd be happy to cut and run too, even before the business started to tank
Depending on how you look at it it's either fortunate or unfortunate but most of Bill Gates wealth is tied up in Microsoft paper. If MS were to tank he would loose a lot of his wealth. He could try to sell off MS stock however unloading it will create ripples in MS stock prices. MS closed on NASDAQ today at $30.04 on a volume of 47.13M. Selling just 500,000 shares at that price would only raise $15M, however moving that much stock would cause the price of shares to drop. Maybe small lots of stock could be sold, say 10,000 up to about 100,000 spread over a bunch of accounts with different brokers but for Gates to really liquidate even a small portion of MS stock will drive prices down.
FalconI guess what the actual news here is not that Linux server sales are up and the increase is at the expense of their Windows counterparts; the news is, rather, that Michale Dell himself went public with the info. I remember the days when such an event would be unimaginable, regardless of Linux server sales numbers.
Good on Linux. Somewhat humbling for Microsoft, but they'll have to learn to take it like men, from now on (Firefox marketshare, Vista brand fiasco etc.)
While I applaud Dell for offering Linux I think it's foolish to discount or dismiss the fact Dell is a business and could be using Linux preinstalled PCs as a bargaining chip with Microsoft. I'm not saying Dell is but they could take the sales figures for Ubuntu PCs and tell MS that they want the price they pay for Windows to be cut. "Either cut prices or we'll push to sell more Ubuntu systems."
Falconsites. They're ignoring sites nobody links to. If you have a personal site, changes are you also post that url whenever you go to a web forum, thus drawing links to it. You could choose to keep your personal site a secret and have nobody link to your personal website.
AH, but they may be ignoring personal websites, what's an "important" website afterall? There might be a bunch of personal websites that exchange links but no "important" website links to them. Say, there are members of a family spread widely, they could be using personal websites to let keep family members up to date on what's happening. They could also be linked from and link to friends and acquaintances.
FalconThere really is no reason to remove the ability to hide the banner, other than to try and inflate the netcraft stats
I think there's a perfectly good reason to hide what a webserver is running. By hiding what the server is it makes it harder for miscreants, cracker, and blackhats to break into the system. Not knowing what is running they don't know what exploits will work. Obviously though, it may not matter much if a domain is being parked.
FalconIf dell wants to track this, they should remove the NO OS option and replace it with a checkbox that says "I don't want to say" and a textbox labeled other. THe user could fill in Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, or whatever they intend to run. Counting NO OS options as linux is stupid for this reason. Heck, I could even install windows on the thing after getting it as "NO OS".
What you say is true but why would anyone buy a naked PC then install Windows? It seems to me a person doing this would either be installing an illegal Windows or would be paying more for a Windows license. The only other way is if they have a volume Windows license.
Falconthe only advantage I find on Linux in server space is the flexibility and options allowed by Unix that aren't as easy to access in Windows.
Cost isn't an advantage? If not I wonder what employer has money to burn. Linux is cheaper, basically free, with lower hardware requirements Support costs? Whether it's Windows or Linux, support has to be paid for. About the only area Windows may be cheaper is in systems administration. However I don't think that's valid anymore, because of low prices many are able to learn Linux. But this isn't true for Windows.
FalconJefferson's political ideal was an agrarian republic of "small" independent farmers. The world of the slave-holding elite
While Thomas Jefferson wanted an agrarian society he was against slavery. Sure, he owned some slaves however all of them he inherited from either his father or his father-in-law, but he himself was antislavery. Some of the slaves he freed. Also in his original drafts of the "Declaration of Independence" he wrote that all people, including negros and women, had the same natural rights he wrote of. That's not exactly the elitist you make him out to be.
FalconI'm going for the many people that seem to suffer this disorder in aggrigate, so that they might wake up from the long nightmare of perceived suffering and be able to see real injustice and dillemas in other cultures
Oh, I'm quite aware of injustice throughout the world such as the San, Bushmen, of southern and western Africa. Because of diamond mining interests the San are being forced off their ancestral homelands in Botswana among other countries. Meanwhile some like De Beers, who also brought South Africa apartheid, are making out like bandits. Cellphones in the west causes conflict and fighting in the Congo over coltan. Elsewhere "Burmese villagers sued oil company Unocal for human rights violations." Back in Africa, oil is fueling Conflict in the Niger Delta.
FalconI think 500k-750k dedicated terrorists already in the country could do some pretty devastating damage.
If someone's really determined it shouldn't even take a tenth of that. Hell less than two dozen brought the US to it's knees. Cells with five members each can strike targets, target bridges, ports, and railroads. Heck look what happened when the northeastern US and Canada had the power grid fail. Now imagine if dedicated cells were to target the power grid, each cell hitting a power plant and the cables.
However I'd rather take my chances with terrorists than with the real threat to liberty, the government!
FalconWhat sort of computers are the TSA using if it takes 3 days to match a name to a database.
What century are we living in?
1 hour before boarding is reasonable. Allows data entry and organization for response. Anything more is just a sloppy system.
One minute is unreasonable! The government has no business collecting names period! If an airline wants to do it fine as long as they don't share it with the government, but the government should not be mandating it. Someone who wants to feel "safe" can go ahead and fly on that airline, and I'll fly on the airline who just asks if I can pay for a ticket.
FalconUnfortunately, the Russian reporters being killed isn't a hoax...
Unfortunately the killings of reporters in Russia are all too true. Reporters Without Borders has a report on reporters being killed for 2005. I didn't see one for 2006 or so far in 2007 except where it reports 2006 media workers was the deadliest year for reporters since 1994. Three were killed in Russia, bringing up the count for reporters murdered to "21 since President Vladimir Putin came to power in March 2000".
Falcon