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OS X Leopard Ships On October 26th
David in AZ writes "According to the Apple website, Mac OS X Leopard will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Mac OS X Leopard goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers, Apple announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Apple's online store. "Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129.""
It used to be that for software anyway, the student discounts represented a significant savings, which was great for poor college students. But starting with iWork and iLife it seems that the student discount is only about 10%. So whereas Tiger cost $69 for the edu version, Leopard costs $116.....
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I will keep the Gutsy Gibbon on my Mac Mini. Thanks anyway.
Does this mean that Macs sold after this date come with Leopard pre-installed as well?
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
Finally a built-in multi-desktop. Oh and decent delta backup built-in as well.
"And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129."
/.'er, but the bashing of M$ and Vista is starting to get old.
Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity? Is it to pander to Apple fanbois? Or does he secretly aspire to be Ballmer? Don't get me wrong, I have a Mac and I don't like M$ as much as the next
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
Everybody is misleading. OSX cannot be installed on any generic computer like the slapped together zombie that is Windows.
hmmm...
Task Mangler
I find it interesting (and funny?) that all these years I've had a PC (built myself, not from Dell or such) and never once purchased a copy of Windows or felt bad about it. Now that I've had a Macbook Pro for 5 months, and have been so happy with it, I'm eagerly awaiting Leopard so that I can actually buy it.
I'm trying to avoid the whole fanboy thing, but it's hard to not like it. I mean, the pricing of the hardware is certainly high, but once you dive it it's quite nice.
I will shred my adversaries. Pull their eyes out just enough to turn them towards their mewing, mutilated faces. Illyria
I still dont see a reason to go there. But then I also still use an incredibly outdated G5 2.3Ghz Dualcore Power mac.
The premium price I will have to pay, I usually use the wife's student ID to get it cheap but not anymore with the latest raft of Apple pricing, makes me yawn and let it slide past.
Is there anything that really is important in it that is a must have or is it all eye candy like apples website makes it look like?
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
I'm looking forward to the release, but I don't think I'll buy it until the first patches come out. A lot of press said Panther and Tiger were pretty solid, but I found a lot of little "quirks" and bugs that needed squishing after the public release. It's also inevitable that I'll have to work around some new "feature" in some of my photography scripts because something tiny changed. And then there's the impact to various macports which I'll have to wait for patches (or learn enough of the codebase to hack a fix).
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"Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity?
C o m p e t i t i o n - the American way.
Reminding your core customers why your product is better than the crap sold by the other guys is not new.
Maybe you'd prefer no advertising at all - wouldn't we all...talk to MS about that idea and let us know when they stop laughing.
will it run on the old G4's ?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html
Automatically hourly incremental backups to an external disk, with everything done readable in the filesystem as simlinks so you can look at arbitrarily hour-snapshots for the past day, day snapshots for the past month, and weekly snapshots thereafter.
COOL!
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Here's a list of all the new features: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html
I'm praying that it's not just more bloat like Vista. It seems like Leopard is good on paper, better Boot Camp for those who still need Windows; better iCal for the people who use their Macs for organizing their life; Instruments, Core Animation, Unix certification, built-in Sandboxing for programmers; and other doodads for Joe-user such as a cooler Photobooth... But then, do I need my address book to make calls to Google Maps or the OS-wide dictionary to reach out to Wikipedia? Those last two are cool but I get worried when my "OS experience" is tied in anyway to whether I have network or Internet access.
What gets even older than that is the spelling of Microsoft as MS. Stop. It makes you appear laughable.
All aboard the hype-train! Next stop, RDF station.
That's certainly too cruel. Apple always makes some nice advances to their system and especially their system libraries. There are some nice things they're talking about with the new version, but I think the greatest trick is to get $100+ from mac fans every two years or so. The short cycle seems a bit exhausting.
Use the Firehose to mod down Second Life stories!
I found this product release that you may find interesting. Curiously it seems to be the anti-thesis of your recent 'Vista' release.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/
"And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129."
Today, more people are using OSX than Vista, and at Vista's current growth rates, this may inevitably remain a fact.
Sucks to be you,
Tman.
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From the Dictionary Section:
"Wikipedia in Dictionary
Harness the power of Wikipedia when you're connected to the Internet -- built right into it's Dictionary. You get a great Mac OS X user interface with super-fast searching and beautifully laid out-results."
From the Parental Controls:
"Wikipedia Content Filter
Limit access to profanity in Wikipedia."
Huh...interesting.
That's it, just a string of buzzwords, not even grammatical, followed by a link to "learn more". Somebody attended too many marketing or web2.0 presentations. Or maybe they want to put the mystery back in. Turns out, it automagically configures an "instant network". The intro is curious. Does the "ethical community" description mean that security sucks?
to err is human, to forgive is divine, to forget is... umm...
300 reasons to upgrade: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html
Another 300:
Steve Jobs: [points to Microsoft Programmer behind Baller] You there, 'Softy! What is your profession?
Microsoft Programmer: I am a trainee QA, sir.
Steve Jobs: [points to another 'Softy] And you, what is your profession?
Microsoft Guy: 3rd level branch tester, sir.
Steve Jobs: Branch tester.
[turns to a third 'Softy]
Steve Jobs: And you?
Microsoft Guy: Graphics guy, I repainted XP to make it Vista...
Steve Jobs: [turns around to OSX Team] Apple Employees! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION?
Apple: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
Steve Jobs: [turning to Ballmer] You see, old friend? I brought more mac than you did.
Microsoft: A thousand downloads of the 0day Vista sploits will descend upon you. Our BSOD's will blot out the sun!
Apple: Then we will iLife 08 in the shade.
ok. any excuse for 300 quotes.
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If translucency were so great in the real world, we would be printing on onion skin and writing on glass things. But I think translucency is more to show that they can do something in 3d, done by people that have no real vision as to what to do with it.
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The real question is when will Semthex and other kernal hackers break it and port if for ordinary PCS?. My guess is about two weeks.
OS X version 6. The differences between 10.0 and 10.5 are enormous, especially internally, pretty much in the same way that BSD and Linux have evolved over the past seven years.
I'm glad it is true now, and that price is amazing as well. Now if also Pixel http://www.pixelimageeditor.com/ comes out of Beta state until end of the year, that will make me trully happy!! Again good job Apple, can't way to buy Leopard ASAP!
Photoshop for Linux? Wine? No. http://www.kanzelsberger.com
If they offer it free to people who recently bought Macs? I recently started a new job as did a fellow coworker and we both received new Mac Pro's within the last month. It sure would be nice to get a Leopard upgrade.
I'm going to hang back on ordering this. It's a year late, and Apple still haven't managed to release the Gold Master to developers. My feeling is that in order to get it out on time it hasn't been as well tested as previous versions.
Training monkeys for world domination since 1439
I would think about buying this except that my mac mini can't even handle the OS it has right now. It runs terribly slow (bearly usable) just running a web browser, iTunes, and an IM client. I can't image how slow my computer would run with these new features.
I do security
I follow some of the Apple 'rumor' sites. Curiously there are no known updates on the Mac Pro and the Mac Book Pro seems to be rumored for an upgrade in the Winter. Apple seems to be weaning off the Mac Mini (as I hear the Mini has had poor sales). It seems new hardware will have Leopard included but will not be upgraded.
Consider most iMac users will *require* an enclosure if they want to use Time Machine as it will only work with an add-on drive and not on the system disk.
This leaves me to ask, will we see a go-between on the Mac Pro and the iMac? I'd really love to see a lower cost tower than the Mac Pro. Expandable hard drive bays, upgradable video card and an extra DVD drive in the same case would be most welcome. My iMac G5 is in need of replacement and the footprint of the system when I account for the external DVD and dual-HDD enclosure doesn't make it seem as worthwhile for space saving.
Something else that is interesting about this is that it will be the first untied x86 version -- you can actually buy a x86 version of MacOS without buying Mac hardware to run it on.
The two school stores I checked listed it at $116, which is also the same price as the standard Apple education store. Perhaps it is still $69 somewhere... who knows. In any case, Apple education discounts are not nearly as good an they once were. Oh well, instead of receiving $69 of my money, those greedy bastards can have $0 instead.
Can anybody give some more info regarding development on mac? I have done java development so I guess eclipse works but what about native? Anything else except objective-c ? Does XCode work for other languages as well?
Lets see... Windows 95 came around 1995, few years later there was Windows 98, couple years later we had windows ME, couple years after that we had Windows XP. Only Vista has been a long upgrade cycle, and aren't we all glad they took the extra time to make sure they got it right on Vista?
The 'ultimate edition' bit is Jobs jab at Microsoft's Heinz-57-varieties-of-Vista. $129.00 is how much Apple always charges for OS X.
Here is one thing which always strikes me as amazing.
I have a coworker who JUST purchased a macbook, it's like two months old. And, like many Mac users, he's looking forward to paying $130 for the OS X point release service pack.
However... if these same people had just purchased a new Dell, they would be whining to high heaven if they had to pay $90 to upgrade from XP to Vista Home Premium (Business/Ultimate are only needed if you are connecting to an active directory, which 99.9999% of consumers will never need to do).
So it's just shocking how Slashdotters and Mac users tear their hair out and grind their teeth at the thought of paying for Windows... but get all hot and bothered about giving their money to SteveJob for what MS would consider a service pack.
*With qualiifying purchase of Apple computer $499 or more.
Has it fixed the automounter and NIS? probably still crap covered by a metallic finish.
And you've done what, exactly, with it? Your vision is where?
Just because you don't do things such as writing on translucent materials or glass things doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Not all technology is for every person. For example, those who actually build things by hand (quilters, seamstresses, wood workers, metal workers, etc.) quite frequently use translucent or clear materials for patterns, templates, and sometimes finished products. How about clear measuring cups? I've seen chefs use clear containers and mark various levels and information on them using erasable markers. Then there is the clear surfaces with map inlays used by tactical planners and tac-rooms. In the Army, decades ago, we would use clear or translucent materials over maps to create different plans and routes, and lay them over various maps. Oh, and waaay back in elementary, junior, and senior high school, and lo even in college, transparencies were used in classrooms with overhead projectors. I've seen the use of transparent or translucent overlay "technology" used in the real world by police, firefighters, medical personnel, construction crews, demolition crews, surveyors, etc..
So since many of us DO use it, translucency (or transparency by your reference to glass) by your own argument IS great, and you simply lack the vision to make use of it, right? It isn't translucency that is overrated, it's your post.
My Suburban burns less gasoline than your Prius.
That's no service pack... it's a space station...
Bow-ties are cool.
Using google currency converter:
129 USD In SEK:
129 U.S. dollars = 828.979584 Swedish kronor
and the list price for apple store sweden:
1.195,00
hmm
1195 SEK in USD:
1 195 Swedish kronor = 185.957535 U.S. dollars
So thats a 56$ premium. I don't think so.
Congrats, apple. You just won a pirated copy of Leopard!
...was the day Doc Brown completed the first test of his Time Machine.
What a bunch of geeks.
..students represent the long-term viability for a company. Between students and pirates (which are largerly interchangeable terms, anyhow), a large body of young people become familiar with a particular OS/Company/Way.
Once those young people get older and are responsible for making large purchasing decisions (or even moderate decisions year after year), the companies benefit.
It's called a "loss-leader", and is EXACTLY the same reason bars have happy hour and sell wings for a quarter between 7 and 9.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
More people are driving all GM vehicles combined than Toyota Priuses.
I'm not even sure if your statistics are correct, but it's pointless to say that more people are using the last six versions of OS X than are using the last one version of Windows.
There's a lot of good things to say about OS X; say those things instead of trying to manufacture a half-assed attempt at populism.
If the Mini hadn't sold well, they would have dropped it by now - not did a minor update to it a few months back.
I know a number of people that have minis, and like them (the new Intel versions are a lot more powerful than the older G4 ones).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I don't own a Mac and have only touched OSX a few times on friends machines (and at school) but I find the fact that applications never seem to really be able to maximize and there are huge amounts of wasted screen space. Now I know you can auto hide the launcher thingy on the bottom but it just seems to function worse than the newer start button designs. Am I missing something?
Eric
You can buy Tiger which is currently universal as well.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
>Congrats, apple. You just won a pirated copy of Leopard!
STFU, you cheap whiner. People like you make the rest of us look bad.
Insert FUD here ...
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While I certainly appreciate the fact that Apple keeps their OS X versions under control, it's a bit ironic that he takes a jab at Microsoft with the "everyone gets the ultimate eversion," when the second announcement on Apple's home page is "Apple Announces Mac OS X Server version 10.5 Leopard."
What? Two versions?
In any case, there's a lot more sanity with Apple that MS, and I've been a solid convert to OS X (not for fanboi reasons, but because it lets me get my work done with silliness, dammit!). I'm very much looking forward to Leopard; my main concerns are related to application compatibility, especially low level utilities and apps (like Insomnia, device drivers, Parallels, and such). Hopefully we won't need new versions of those to transition smoothly to Leopard; I'll probably run it off an external USB drive at first, to make sure. This will be the first operating system I've ever purchased personally (and I will do so enthusiastically).
-dale
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
How much of that is tax? In many parts of the US the final amount will be 7 or 8% higher than $129.
...for someone who opted for AppleCare on their MacBook. Apple will not TOUCH your system if it has a pirated copy of the OS on it.
As it is, the Student Discount is down to $13, compared to the $60 discount students got on systems from Puma to Tiger. So screw it, I'm not going to mess with Apple Store for Education anymore. I worked at Fried a few years ago so I was one of the first to have one of those spiffy transparent green credit cards. Looks like I'll be lining up there a week from Friday. 64-bit goodness is too good to pass up.
Anyone know if Rosetta has been improved and/or made 64-bit aware? Considering some of my apps are still PPC-only (Office 2007, Photoshop Elements v.4 Mac) it's an issue.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
After the sixth version is released, we mac developers still probably won't have an Apple-shipped Cocoa API for regular expressions...sigh.
I guess that giving developers the ability to add cutesy animations to applications is more important than giving those application developers ways to scrape information off the internet and display it to users in useful and innovative ways.
Given that every other desktop development environment and every scripting language ships with built-in regular expressions functionality, Cocoa is starting to look extremely uncompetitive, at least from the standpoint of doing any significant work with strings of text.
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"I find the fact that applications never seem to really be able to maximize"
Those bastards, someone should take Jobs out, nail him to the back fender of a car and then drive up and down the highway - ALL WEEK !!!
Re:Question about OSX....
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Many individual educational sales have been replaced by institutional sales, where discounts are much higher than they were before.
Apple wants institutional over individual because some of the insitutions are buying more than 50% apple hardware now, and it's easier to target the real educational sector.
I'm not sure if i remember this correctly, but didn't Apple say they would be ending support for boot camp 'beta' as soon as Leopard came out? (i.e. every version that isn't leopard)
Are our XP boot camp partitions that we have now just suddenly going to stop working? I can see people getting really pissed about that, myself included!
On an interesting note it looks like it supports Vista properly now as well. I never wanted to just do an upgrade of my XP in case that stopped working.
I think the age old Apple rule applies. I certainly won't be upgrading to 10.5 until it's at least 10.5.1, and people find workarounds for all the problems that will inevitably come from this upgrade
Probably for some tasks it can be useful, like marking which part will be kept and which discarded in a crop operation. Basically for things that are deeply related. But for some things that are unrelated, like menus and the thing they hide, it just slows down people, as the background thing is not important anymore compared to the menu options. And probably causes a higher visual stress, thing the study did not cover but I would like to see tested.
You sir, are a bigot.
Looks like the rumors were true: G3 support has been dropped. Also my G4 Cube no longer makes the cut.
I guess I won't be buying the 5-seat license version after all.
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
I'm trying to avoid the whole fanboy thing, but it's hard to not like it. I mean, the pricing of the hardware is certainly high, but once you dive it it's quite nice.
"It hurts...at first. But after a while, the pain goes away, just as they promise. There's a moment...when you can almost see it through his eyes. He makes it sound perfect, a place where anyone can start over."
Riddick would kill you with a Leopard Install disc for joining the necro-Mac-ers (sorry, the whole scene popped into my head as I read your post).
Actually, I'm looking forward to agreeing with you. If the rumors about the new Mac Mini/Nano are true, I might be getting my first Mac soon.
Hard to justify when a nice desktop linux install is up & humming, but a Core2Duo Mac the size of paperback, with Mac OSX 10.5, for several hundred dollars? Too neat to pass up.
Than a very large Windows upgrade fee, whenever it comes.
It might be exhausting if you didn't feel like you were getting value for the money, but as it stands each release has had a few things that were very useful - and as you said, often with nice updates to system frameworks.
It's also helped that each release has felt faster, so buying a new copy of OSX also replaced a hardware boost I typically underwent with Windows updates.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The eye candy is okay and all but the things I'm looking forward to are at the core. The new Leopard scheduler is reason enough alone to upgrade. With a multithreaded networking stack the days of disconnecting a network share without ejecting it will no longer mean 5 minutes of the beachball of death.
Plus those with multicore CPU's should run, not walk, to Leopard. From the Apple website:
"NSOperation, a breakthrough new API that optimizes applications for the world of multicore processing. Independent chunks of computation (operations) are added to NSOperationQueue, which dynamically determines how many operations to run in parallel based on the current architectures. So there's no need to hand-code the complexities of threading and locking. You simply describe the operations in a program along with their dependencies. Cocoa takes care of the rest."
Leopard features improved scheduling, memory management, and processor affinity algorithms to make better use of multiple cores. Several subsystems (TCP networking, AutoFS automounter, and NFS server) have been rewritten to be fully multithreaded. Also, POSIX thread allocation has been optimized to support the new NSOperation APIs.
Leopard gets the best possible bandwidth from both broadband and narrowband networks by optimizing buffer sizes according to the local resources and connection type. Starting with a larger window helps TCP with ongoing dynamic optimization. This is especially valuable when connecting to high-bandwidth/high-latency networks like Verizon's FiOS, which previously required specialized tools such as Broadband Tuner.
The new IOStream class in IOKit provides a high-level API for managing DMAs and other high-bandwidth data transfers, without the need to optimize caching strategies for different hardware architectures. It also forms the basis of the new IOVideo family, designed to support professional-level video cards. These new APIs make it easier for developers to take full advantage of both cutting-edge and previous-generation hardware.
This means real speed benefits are coming down the road for Leopard apps running on Intel Macs or any dual cpu or dual core PPC Macs. Plus anyone, regardless of hardware, will benefit from the dynamic TCP optimization and the new IOKit API's. The real question is whether the loads of eye candy will "cancel out" the low-level improvements from a user-experience perspective.
Except for the fact that you can run pretty much every OS out there on an Intel Mac.
You do realize that
1) Sales tax is about 7% in the states and NOT included in the listed price
and
2) Sweden sales tax is 25% and INCLUDED in the listed price.
There is no serial number associated with an operating system, how could apple know if it was "pirated". It's a silly supposition you're making.
I have 3 macs at home, and I simply buy the regular edition. Apple might insist that I need to buy the family pack, but that's just silly. So how would they know?
Think it through for about 2 seconds.
gPhone? :)
Thanks for playing, though. I don't think --link-dest does binary diffs/deltas, though, does it? If you modify a large file, it will create new copies of them rather than keeping track of the deltas. While this might be a good thing from a reliability standpoint, I could imagine that it could quickly cause your backups to get quite large.
I can't quite figure out how Time Machine works, but I think its operation is closer to rdiff-backup than rsync --link-dest. If it's not, the space requirements for it are going to be huge.
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If you want a high quality, consistent, graphically appealing operating system with desktop search, office suite, iPod integration, better Windows compatibility (including NTFS mounts and Windows codecs), and plenty of graphical glitz, download Ubuntu 7.10 at ubuntulinux.org.
Right, could that be because Vista was delayed five odd years?
What were the gaps between Win98, WinME, Win2k, WinXP - to be fair WinME & 2K were for different market segments initially - oh, could they be about two years or less? I'm not the biggest fan of the continues updates from Apple either, but trust me MS would be doing the same thing if they could actually ship something out the door at a regular interval.
About the only exception I'd make to that is memory - if you go to the default Apple Store, and add memory that way, you're pretty much guaranteed to get screwed (which is sad, especially considering how easy it is to upgrade the memory in Apple's notebooks yourself).
That's one thing I don't like about Apple's pricing. I recently bought a Macbook Pro with 2GB RAM, 4GB was an option however it was a few hundred dollars more. Buying RAM elsewhere only cost half that, unfortunately the warranty won't cover Macs with third party RAM installed, so I've been told by someone at Apple. I couldn't justify the added cost at the tyme so I asked about adding more RAM if I found out I needed it.
FalconShould there be a Law?
Mr. Ballmer? Is that you?
In each and every case you site, the user can composite the items in a single unit of work, and move the thing as a whole, and that facility is entirely lacking in a desktop GUI.
.NET, and, in a networked world, it's arguable whether or not you should even applications stepping on each other's data the way OLE originally envisioned.
.maybe KParts or Gnome's component stuff?
The need to do that compositing tends to exist within an application, rather than across a desktop. There's probably applications now for each of the items on your list. Photoshop has layers, as do GIS applications, which can sorta select and see things that line up on top of another. Animation packages put frames next to each other so you can seperate them out, and so on.
From an engineering perspective, if you -really- wanted to use translucency for something at an OS level, you would need to have a few more things. Simply moving windows around on top of each other doesn't really buy you much. You need to have data shared between applications, a common way to represent that each application represents a slice of a larger data set, and finally, each application is looking at something that is stackable within that set. That way, you could fire up "my super paint", draw something, launch a word processor application, and put the super paint on top of the document by simply moving it across. Really, it would be a whole different kind of metaphor, where instead of cut and paste, you just moved one window on top of another that created an integrated thing.
Presently, the only people that even thought of windows applications as views into a shared data set were Microsoft and Apple. Microsoft's OLE, for example, was sorta designed around the idea that one application could composite other applications... that's how if you drop an excel sheet into Word, when you double click, the word menus change to excel - you are actually running an Excel on a data stream that is sitting inside of a Word document.
Pretty cool stuff, but the Internet just killed it, as did a deserved reputation for being difficult to program. The MS guy that wrote the Bible on the topic (Kraig Brockschmidt), wound up taking off and moving into some sort of a commune. Today, there's not an ounce of support for anything like it in
Theoretically, though, with OLE plumbing in place, MS could create a new set of interfaces that allow child windows to be stacked on top of each other, and views to be coordinated, and do that. Think, multiple Active X controls on steroids, but with data aware methods to coordinate multiple layers.. then, you have to have it be out of process communications, to support different applications... like OLE was. (Active X controls were a sort of dumbed down version of OLE).
I don't even know if Linux has an analog to it..
But the bottom line is, you gave a bunch of real world examples that work because the user can do some things that the translucent desktop gimmick really doesn't let them do. There's aggregation of views, selection, moving... a lot. Simply making a window see through doesn't even come close to satisfying the requirements of what you want to do. Thus, I stand still correct - translucent windows are a fraud.
So... even though you are totally wrong, and I am totally right, I thank you for the opportunity to elucidate my ideas further, in hopes of saving those who lack the superior insight that I seem to possess. [that is of course, tongue in cheek!]
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You do realize that 298 of those 1195 SEK are tax, right? So subtracting that out, you get a real price of 897 SEK, which is only 68 SEK more than the US price, or about $10.60 USD.
I doubt that you'd be able to order a US version and have it shipped to Sweden for less than $10 in shipping.
Seems like a pretty fair price to me. Maybe you should vote for politicians who support lower taxes if you don't like it?
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then shouldn't it now be called OS XV ?
Not only is build 9a466 as quick (if not quicker) than Tiger on my testbed (dual 800mhz G4 Power Mac, 768Mb) they've reworked the networking- it's worlds apart from 10.4's stuttering, stalling, clumsy file sharing system.
Almost worth the price of admission on its own if you work in a mixed-platform network.
I'll take my 300 reasons and fight off the Persians, thank you very much. Sparta!
Tabs on the terminal! I can't tell you how many times I've switched back to my Fedora box when working on something that uses the terminal window extensively.
I can't wait to try Spaces. I am addicted to virtual desktops. Linux did that to me.
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2 years ago I bought the "family pack" of Tiger, which allows you to install on up to 5 machines in the same household. We only had 2 Macs, but at $199 it was still cheaper than buying 2 copies of the single-license OS. As near as I can tell, the only thing that made the 5-license box different from the 1-license box was a sticker and a 1-paragraph license addendum. Other than that, there was no reference to it being a multi-license pack anywhere, including on the DVD itself.
No special installer, no licence keys to enter, no product activation, just a piece of paper that says, "Yes, you can install this on more than one computer."
It was nice to see that they were willing to trust their users. Though I suppose since it'll only run on their hardware, they're a bit less concerned with people pirating the operating system.
Jobs: THIS IS APPLE!
*Jobs shoves Bill into a pit*
A mate bought a MacBook several months ago and even he got a free Leopard upgrade voucher. But it was before it was delayed.
I got my Macbook Pro in August just about 2 months ago but I didn't get any sort of upgrade offer. Maybe if I went down to the Apple store I could get it, but to tell the truth I don't see anything it offers I would like. Time Machine? I got backup software with my MBP. About the only thing I was looking for, a long shot, was Leopard having Windows APIs so Windows software could run in OS X without needing Windows.
FalconShould there be a Law?
I like how a selling point for bootcamp is that Leopard can read and write to Window's (FAT32) partition, not NTFS. Yes, go ahead and install windows vista on a fat32, see what happens.
She originally said that that she can't put a pirated version of OS X on her Mac because Apple would disallow her warranty.
The question isn't if piracy is good or bad, the question is whether Apple can tell. I can accept the argument that you want to pay for software, but the argument that Apple can tell is no supported by any facts.
Try to stay on topic.
What gets even older than that is the spelling of Microsoft as MS. Stop. It makes you appear laughable.
And does using MSFT bother you also?
FalconShould there be a Law?
I have the same concerns, I think though it will still be a bit faster just based on them probably having optimized the CoreImage code that's doing all the fancy stuff... could be part of the reason why the floor on installs is 867MHz G4's though. I still plan to try and load it on an older G4 667MHz powerbook mounting as a firewire drive from a different computer though. I can always revert!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Most folks find it useful to be able to spend as much money as they need to on the features they want, without having to pay extra for features they won't use.
And what about paying for "features" you don't want? Like Activation, WGA/WPA? I used to be a Windows user but in part because MS wants to treat me like a criminal I switched, I am typing this on a MacBook Pro.
FalconShould there be a Law?
I had to look it up to be sure...
http://www.bttf.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-29642.html
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you have to pay the Apple tax on what is essentially an over-priced PC
Where have you been lately? Apples are not overpriced. Some similarly specified Macs and Windows PCs are generally similarly priced. In some cases the Mac is lower priced and in other it's higher priced.
most Windows 'purchases' come when you buy a PC
The same with Macs. I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro I bought about 2 months ago and just as the PCs I've bought came with Windows preinstalled so did my MBP come with Tiger preinstalled.
So why not compare the price of a similarly equipped and similarly capable PC to a Mac, and then tell me which one is cheaper?
I have, have you? Before I bought my MBP I compared prices between similarly configured Macs and PCs from different OEMs. With some configurations the Macs were cheaper and with other the PCs were cheaper.
Should there be a Law?
I paid $300 for one copy of XP Pro almost 7 years ago, and MS still supports and updates it, and I can run pretty much any Windows software on it.
During that time, for OS X, I would have had to pay $129 four or five times just to be able to keep getting security updates and compatibility for even some of the simplest shareware apps out there.
Don't get me wrong. I used to be a mac guy, and Intel, 10.5, and the MBPs are probably going to finally get me to go back, but there's no way I'd argue that Apple is somehow cheaper.
Fight for your digital freedom, join the EFF *now*: http://www.eff.org/support/
That has to be my favorite example of joke/filler text that made it to a release, followed by Firefox's "Cookies are delicious delicacies." That one was so popular, someone wrote an extension to put it back in.
Though I have to admit, the hundreds of website legal disclaimers including the phrase, "you actually came to this page" are hard to beat.
When does ubuntu support my sound card? I would really like to be able to hear the sounds playing on my computer.
Wrong! Vista overtook the entire install base of apple within 5 weeks of launch.. check your numbers
...but you must be new here.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
i hate to be the one to bring it up, but Ubuntu 7.10 won't cost me a dime...
But what will Ubuntu give me that I can't get with OS X? Having switched from Windows I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro I got about 2 months ago. Before I got it I had planned on dualbooting it with Ubuntu but now that I have it I'm wondering just what installing Ubuntu will give me or allow me to do that I can't do now. On the other hand I've got a PC running Linspire Linux and I've been thinking about installing Ubuntu on it as a server.
FalconShould there be a Law?
...or does that cost extra?
I was expecting some mention of ZFS - did it get removed from the features for leopard? I thought it warranted a mention if it was there, Dtrace did.
Step. Step. Step. Step. Step. Drat! If stepping through code wears you down, you'll love more forgiving debugger in Xcode 3.0. If you step too far, you can rewind to the previous point. That's right, Xcode 3.0 has gone non-linear. Simply click the run button to update your application and start it up. Hover over a variable in your code to see its value in a tooltip. Then just pause when you need to debug. If you go too far, just rewind. No need to start over. No need to set up a debug session. No need to switch focus. Just code, build, run, and debug in Xcode 3.0. What ever happened to it? Hopefully it will be included in some not-too-distant-future version.
If you do any development, the Xcode update in Leopard look quite nice.
It's my guess you don't need Leopard for the XCode update. A few days ago I got a dvd from Apple with new developer tools and software updates. But maybe it doesn't have all the updates that comes with the Leopard tools. Being new I now have to learn how to use them.
FalconShould there be a Law?
he maximizes return on the share holder's money by minimizing expenditure and maximizing cash flow (though the actual mechanisms can vary.)
Otherwise he can be:
1 looking for another job (shareholder revolt)
2 looking for a defense attorney (when the SEC caught on,)
or
3 working for a private capital company (in which case the SEC has nothing to say.)
or
4 scrabbling in the dirt, digging his own grave with his bare hands. ("Tony Soprano" is a major investor.)
Regardless, these 'savings' programs are always couched in terms of 'insuring future customers' just like product recalls are.
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but I don't think I'll buy it until the first patches come out.
I don't see any need to get Leopard. I got my MBP 2 months ago and have no problem with Tiger. Well other than it doesn't always let me save a file where I want to.
FalconShould there be a Law?
The same could be said for any other x86 based PC if it wasn't for Apple adding artificial restrictions to OS X.
It sounds like the Fleetwood Mac song called "Stand back". Here is the YouTube video if you like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOU746O9klE But back to your original subject of step back which will be great feature. I had enough times due to late nights that lost track what the heck I did to get that error what forgot what location I did it at.
I don't think there's a retail Intel version of Tiger out. After all, why does there need to be. EVERY Intel Mac has shipped with Tiger and Tiger install disc. So exactly who would buy a universal copy of Tiger?
Someone who bought a used Intel system that did not come with a replacement disc, for one... if they were unfortunate enough to have the current hard drive crash without a full system backup.
This has to happen to some extent, so it seems like there has to be some way to get at least an Intel tiger disc apart from buying a new system. Like I said, I was pretty sure that recent boxed sets were universal but I'm not positive, and can't figure out now how to verify one way or the other. I suppose the local Apple store may have boxes but the question is not so urgent I feel the need for a visit.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
It has supported sound on any laptop and desktop I have installed it on, and I'm using some pretty obscure hardware.
If you really have an unsupported sound card (which one?), buy a new one or a USB sound dongle. That's still a lot cheaper than buying OS X.
Or, better yet, buy a machine configure for, and with Linux preinstalled. After all, you don't buy a PC to run OS X either, do you?
The CB App. What's your 20?
how long does it take to copy a 17 megabyte file?
Well according to Netcraft, you have 15% percent of my attention. You are attempting to qualify and quantify multiple viewpoints into a conflated mess of anti-Apple. It just doesn't hold water. Don't conflate when you type your hate, you're making me irate when you berate the great-est OS released to date!
"Time is nothing; timing is everything."
When will iWorks '08 support ODF? OOXML?
I suppose Apple will leave iWorks XML as the file format for it's product suite and ODF/OOXML for TextEdit?
No Star Wars R2D2 Hologram Effect in iChat?! Dealbreaker!!!
"Time is nothing; timing is everything."
From the 300+ Leopard features page:"Harness the power of Wikipedia when you're connected to the Internet -- built right into it's Dictionary. You get a great Mac OS X user interface with super-fast searching and beautifully laid out-results."
Oh dear.
You fool. Use the one install disc on both computers. There's no serial number and no activation. It's exactly the same as if you had two install discs.
I wish you hadn't been AC so that there was a possibility you'd see this.
Now, for extra irony... *clicks Post Anonymously*
Cocoa/Ruby + a ton of other languages are already included with Tiger.
Most people use the Deja Vu control panel that ships with Roxio toast. Sure, you may not want to buy toast, but it is the best app for burning cross platform disks, far more control than with the burn folders setup in the finder.
- Kaos games and encryption systems developer
There are LOTS of laws you can break along with making a buck (and are probably breaking.)
Ignorance of the law is not MY problem. If you're asking this question, it might very well be YOURS.
I worked on an expert system which had governmental regulations as a domain. You wouldn't believe all of the contradictory rules we found in the R&R (Rules & Regulations) manual.
Basically, if you were able to get ANY money from that department, its because somebody up there liked you.
Run afoul of the management (ANYBODY in the management,) and you were out of luck and had just made a generous donation to the department.
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...you still owe your state use tax if you buy it online. Most people don't pay it, but that's the way it goes.
It was nice to see that Apple (unlike many American companies) is apparently actually aware of the fact that the US and Canadian dollar is effectively at par now - Leopard is $129 USD, and $129 CDN.
A refreshing change from the recent string of companies which are simply choosing to ignore the currency parity, and continuing to gouge Canadians for 20 or 30 percent phantom currency exchange.
PC version... anyone?
All the boxed Tiger DVDs are the same--PPC. I just picked one up to examine at the Apple Store the other day while waiting for an iPhone repair, since I'd never seen a retail packaged Tiger.
If you have a Mac and have lost your restore discs, you can bring it in and they'll reload the OS for you. You can also order replacement restore discs for your system if you're the registered owner, or at least you used to be able to. That solves the replacement problem.
Yes, this is true. But formerly, only Java and Objective-C had Cocoa bindings installed default. Now Ruby will too. Aquafied Ruby applications are now a compelling option.
I'll second the thought that rsnapshot does this trivially.
I just reinstalled, but messed up xorg.conf. Sure I could have taken the time to look through and figure out exactly what went wrong, but instead I just compared the current file with one of the versions from a few hours before.
That and reinstalling rsnapshot was as easy as grabbing the rpm and copying rsnapshot.conf (and the cron setup).
I don't want the ultimate version, I'd just like the late-2006 JDK 6 version.
You know, the "I wish I didn't regret buying a mac for Java development version". The one on the shelf next to the "Boy I'm glad I didn't donate my old Linux thinkpad since its all I have for Java 6 development" version.
My mac is great -- unfortunately I don't get to turn it on much these days.
Same old story. . .
1) Apple starts doing great
2) Profit!!!
3) Apple gets really egotistical and forgets that other developers exist. (And thinks that archaic languages like Pascal and Objective-C are the only games in town. While coming up with some platforms external developers can't code at _all_ for like the iPhone, early Newton, etc.)
4) ???
5) Struggle for a few years and almost die!
6) Repeat
I wish they'd "Think Different" this time. Here's what I would suggest.
1) Support cross-platform development languages so developers could choose their platform (think Java) above others.
2) Support cross-platform standards for documents like Oasis/open-office formats instead of the egotistical AppleWorks, ClarisWorks, Pages hubris. That way they don't almost die when Microsoft decides not to upgrade Microsoft Office for 8 years or so.
3) Support developers that develop for their devices instead of handcuffing them with bogus languages on their main platform (languages that no-one knows or cares to know in the general industry) or worse, disable them from writing real apps like on the iPhone.
4) Make laptops that don't burn the users' genitals.
5) Be less secretive about things that aren't new features and don't need to be secrets. (Like APIs, and platform development - like JDK development).
6) Listen to the users even _after_ they get popular. It seems they score huge points with users after creating stuff the users want, then they completely ignore them for years until it is too late.
I like Apple, I don't care for the Red Sox. I want Apple to stop playing like the Red Sox.
Amazon
Windows was born as a single user OS
This was true for the DOS shells, but not for NT. NT's evolution under Dave Cutler was designed as a pretty close workalike of VMS, and was originally a microkernal design. In some senses, then, it could be argued that NT's foundations are around a decade later than OSX's BSD core, but I don't place much faith in rating an OS by its recency,or lack thereof.
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My mother-in-law has a 800 MHz iMac. Spec calls for 867 MHz. I wonder what would happen if we tried to upgrade her to Leopard.
You managed to get Vista to run smooth with 512MB RAM? I'm impressed.
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
In The Ghetto XXXI (Special Guest Star: Grandma Lockwood) A burning wet fart scalded Vlad's colon and rectum as he twitched awake. Vlad laid in bed, shaking at the horrible images that had danced through his sleeping mind. Sweat streamed from his forehead, trickled through his greasy scalp and soaked his pillow. This had been the worst nightmare yet. Vlad had dreamt that he was married to a 400-pound bag of soul-sucking gelatin. Living in a double-wide trailer filled with Jerry Springer moments, his only joy was his two sexy sons. Vlad slipped out of bed and tip-toed into the next room. There, Grandma slept peacefully, snoring and farting in her usual comforting way. Vlad slipped under the covers with her and immediately felt his sense of security return. Grandma always made everything better. A loud, low rumble escaped from her buttocks. Vlad pulled himself lower down the length of the bed so that his nose rested against Grandma's ass. He inhaled deeply as the gas wafted around him and put him back to sleep. Vlad savored every moment, even in his sleep, for he knew tomorrow the other kids in his class would remind him of his countless inadequacies. * * * * * * * * * Vlad belched forcefully, sending chunks of hamburger helper spewing out into the living-room. The orange plastic of the couch stuck to his fat pale legs and his stained briefs bathed him in a rich sampling of unique Lockwood odors. At the opposite end of the couch, Reza sat in her usual spot. The cushion was practically non-existent, compressed as it was from her unimaginable mass. "Oh Vladdie-Pop, I'm so glad Grandma has come to stay with us since little Vaginez came along! It is so nice to have some help around the house!" "Yo, you fat cunt, I'm trying to watch the new Eminem video. One more word outta you, and your fat ass'll be laid out on the fuckin' floor for the next month." Reza quivered at the thought of another merciless beating by her dear Vladdie-Pop. The last time he had "corrected" her, she had spent 22 hours huddled in the shower, weeping as the scalding water pelted her rubbery body. She had lost a whopping 1/2 pound that day. She spent the entire next day eating, fearful of her body wasting away to further displease her beloved. Reza's ruminations were interrupted by a terrible screeching from Marticock's Chamber. Vlad's fleshy head reddened with rage. He just wanted to watch television. Why did everything always have to work against him? He turned to Reza, with a terrifying scowl on his face. Reza felt a pang of terror shoot through her massive gut and she frantically dislodged herself from the indentation in the couch. Reza thudded across the double-wide's paper-thin floors, "Grandma! Grandma!" Grandma Lockwood was sitting on the toilet relieving herself of the Metamucil she had consumed for breakfast, "don't worry, dear, I'll take little Marticock out for a nice walk and he'll be fine!" "Oh Grandma," Reza blubbered. Grandma Lockwood soaked a rag in some Clorox and cleaned her rump of the liquified feces that had spattered up from the toilet. She applied a thick coat of Johnson's Baby Powder and then pulled up her stockings. She flushed the toilet, which immediately backed up and spilled out over the floor. "Reza, honey, you wanna clean up my shit while I take little Marticock for a nice walk?" Reza was only happy to clean up in the bathroom. It would give her a purpose, a valid reason to be away from Vlad. Though she could never admit such a thing to herself, at a subconscious level she would do anything to avoid being with her Precious Love. Grandma Lockwood prepared the grocery cart by throwing some used Taco Bell napkins in the bottom to make a nice nest for Marticock. She then lifted Marticock from his crib, careful not to agitate his pummelled rear, and placed him comfortably in the nest. She wrapped herself in her Eminem shawl - a Christmas gift from her grandson - and pushed Marticock out the door. With Reza scrubbing furiously in the bathroom and Grandma Lockwood and Marticock strolling outside, Vlad popped open an
Expose - Xerox "Rooms" (1985), AmigaOS WorkBench (1985), swm (1990)
.MAC - Online disk, email, backup, ecards and ratings were all extant by 1998.
Dashboard - Borland Sidekick (1984)
Spotlight - Lotus Magellan (1989), ISYS:Desktop (1989), dtSearch Desktop (1991), Enfish Find (2002), Copernic (2004), Google Desktop Search (2004)
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Have you finished masturbating over UNO?
What is...?
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/31/0044201
Use open source instead. I plan to update my work computer to Leopard but most of my work actually gets done in Linux. My work computer is a 24" iMac, bought because of the quality and size of the screen mostly, that I run VMWare Fusion on. In Fusion I run several versions of Windows and Linux. The Mac mostly is just used for managing my virtual machines and testing software and websites to make sure they work well with OSX. Windows is of coursed used only for testing the same in different versions of Windows. Linux is where the real work gets done.
Of course if you're not a programmer the apps you're most familiar with might not be open source but if you're a starving student you can save a bundle by bothering to learn the free equivalents. I do like OS X, for certain uses, but I've yet to find any proprietary program for it that is so good or so unique I couldn't replace it's functionality with something free and cross platform.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
I have had a look at http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html and I have to say that some of those "features" that the iWorld are going to have to cough up for, are quite laughable. Six of these features are screensavers - SCREENSAVERS people! Twenty-four of these "features" bundled into an update for iChat and include such innovative things as 'More Smileys'. Oh dear. If Microsoft attempted to get away with this kind of marketing, they'd be fighting lawsuits in Massachusetts or the EU by now.
I don't need to go too deep into the blatant if, latent copying of "features" already found in Windows. I never thought I would ever be able to utter the words 'Cupertino, start your photocopiers' but some of those features look remarkably similar to what we've already seen in Windows Vista for almost a year now. Even Mary J Foley has her doubts http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=505
This is the sixth iteration of version 10 since 2001 and it's going to cost yet another $129 to upgrade. It's been plagued with delays and I think Apple aren't really bothered that much - they are treating their core users with utter contempt. I really believe that Apple is going to swiftly move beyond the traditional desktop arena pretty soon. They've already lured their user base onto x86 so that when they cut 'n' run, you be able to jump to another x86 platform. OK, that's probably a little far-fetched but seriously, I think they're not that bothered about trying to compete with Microsoft feature for feature on the desktop anymore - they may even abandon it altogether and instead focus entirely on swallowing up the lucrative digital multimedia space using an embedded flavour of their OS. Then they can update it with much less scrutiny.
This is not true, and I have no idea where you got that impression. The discs that came with your Mac work on all other Macs with compatible processor architecture (except possibly newer Macs which may contain hardware the installer disc does not know about). Were you by chance trying to install an Intel version on a PPC Mac?
Do you honestly believe that there is only one factor contributing to the current situation? If it only were the 90/10 situation, you'd expect Mac OS X to have 10% as many viruses as Windows. Or maybe 1% as many. That's not the case: OS X has 0 viruses. Even System 7 had a few viruses. Even HyperCard had its own viruses! OS X has none.
Why is IIS hacked more often than Apache, even though there are more Apache installations than IIS installations? Maybe popularity is only one of the contributing factors, and not the only one.
First of all, option-clicking the "zoom to fit" button often maximizes.
However, if you often want to maximize, you're probably doing something a bit wrong. "Zoom to fit" tries to zoom the window to fit its contents. There is hardly ever a need to make a window bigger than "zoom to fit" made it. So don't. The space around the window is not wasted, you can use it for windows from other applications. I usually have Adium, Skype and a list of mailboxes with unread counts down the right side of the screen so I can always see who's online and who sent me mail. when working on code, I have java.sun.com open in a small window next to my window with the code, so I can quickly jump there and look up some API, or keep checking out Sun's examples when coding.
The wasted screen space is inside maximized windows, not outside zoomed windows.
There are many ways you can use the empty space around your windows, I'm sure you can figure out something :-)
So? It's still an advantage for Macs. Oh, wait, maybe they don't allow this because it is an advantage for Macs??? SUE THEM!!!
Almost no users will ever change the operating system that their computer came with, anyway. The people who want to buy a Dell and run OS X on it are definitely in the "power user" category--and they're the ones least likely to need Apple support.
Besides, Microsoft has shown that it is possible to create a stable OS that interacts with third-paraty drivers. It's taken them a while to do it, but it's there. Apple should be able to do the same thing--they just don't want to because they make their money on the premium hardware. As for low end machines I actually want everything I get on a Mac. I use wi-fi, bluetooth, and so on. So if I'm going to have to spec a machine with the same spec as a Mac and like OS-X why not just buy a Mac! Those components don't add much to the cost of Dell laptops. Hell, I don't think you can even configure a Dell notebook without wireless anymore, and Bluetooth modules are about $30. But as should be obvious, the reason to "not just buy a Mac" is that there is a premium on the hardware, and there is an increased cost. If it's worth it to you, by all means, buy one, but don't try to pretend that a cheaper machine wouldn't take you to the same Internet, let you perform the same tasks, etc.