I am curious about your impression after interviewing. Did Google seem like a sweat shop to you? Or did you get the impression it is a 40/hr a week gig?
What about just installing the OS? Upgrade simply means you own an existing version and are getting a discount to upgrade that license to a Vista license. Perhaps I want to start clean and format my machine when upgrading. Why the hell should I have to install XP first? From my experience this is a shitty way to install an OS anyway. I never install one OS on top of an old one.
I hear some people saying people like me should buy a full license? Why??? Just for the privilege of being able to install on a blank hard drive even though I already paid for XP?
What happens when the next version of windows, post-Vista comes out. Do I have to install XP, install Vista, and then install whatever they call the next shitty version of the OS? Fuck.
I agree with you. Web services also come to mind. Long before SOAP left the bathtub and entered our computers, people were exchanging XML over HTTP all the time. It generally worked well- what is so hard about it- you agree on a schema, build the document, transmit it, and the other guy parses and uses it. Done. Minimal code, lightweight, functional.
Nowadays, Thou Shalt use Web Services. This means layers of super complex descriptors, marshaling code, etc. It seems as though one is always fighting serialization and interoperability issues. Is it worth it? Is this really "more maintainable" or "more scalable" or "mo betta" in any practical way? What greater value have you really produced beyond the poor man's solution of plain XML over HTTP? Because I know this concept of everyone communicating exclusively over web services discovered via UDDI is a pipe dream.
Point taken, but there is a big difference between Windows ME and Vista. I believe ME was just a blip on the radar screen- part a progression that went from Windows 95 to Windows 98 and Windows ME if I'm not mistaken. It wasn't a brand new kernel and nothing revolutionary.
The progression I saw in the corporate world was often:
[developers/power users] Windows NT 3.5 --> NT 4.0 --> Win2K--> XP Pro
[biz users] Windows 3.1 --> Windows 95 --> Windows 98 --> XP Pro
Not all companies I've worked for took all those steps; some skipped a step but the general progression still happened. As a developer I've always had a decent Windows experience since even NT 4 and Win2K were, in my opinion, much stronger than the alternatives of Windows 95/98/ME.
I expect a lot of companies to stay at XP or even Win2K for a while. But Vista is the only logical transition as hardware support and software support starts to decrease for those platforms. It isn't like there will be another new, ground up version of Windows in a year or two.
This is what I mean when I say that Vista can't lose. Companies have nowhere else to go and I can tell you that big corporate shops are NOT going to transition everyone to Linux or OS X. I remember buying an HP scanner sometime after XP was introduced and it didn't have proper driver support for 2000. When this type of thing starts happening with Vista, that is when corporations will start feeling the pressure to upgrade. It will get probably get in the following years budget.
There will be anecdotal stories on Slashdot about places that convert to Linux or OS X but these will be insignificant statistics.
It really doesn't matter. Before long each new Dell and every other new computer will be shipping with Vista. It could be the worst operating system ever, and within a few years everyone will be using it. There is virtually no way for Vista to fail, given the circumstances.
CSS is a nice option for style, but not for layout. So while it is nice for changing all your fonts, it is a bear to use it to lay out your page. This is why tables are still used so heavily.
no matter how many times humans start over with a utopian system
That is funny, my idea of a utopian system is where everyone who works gets compensated. I am not a fan of servitude, although our leaders (most recently Clinton and Bush) encourage it. It sounds like what happened with Debian is a perfect example of the system you favor breaking down. It is hard to convince people to work for free (thus taking away time from their family/friends or other interests) but rewarding them with compensation works. I'd much rather explain to my kid that I don't have time to play with him because I'm making money to help put him through college than explain how I'm ignoring him so that that stuff I'm working on can be used by a bunch of strangers who want to use a free OS.
At least at this point our society and leaders only try to strongly convince people to participate in servitude. Eventually, the act of convincing becomes a lot more effective because the barrel of a gun becomes involved.
I agree 100%. I don't do a lot of HTML work- but I seem to have a project every year or so. For the past several years I've started each project fresh thinking "this is the time I quick using tables!" and it never fails- I spend days trying to make a div layout work. My deadline approaches and I end up using tables again.
Who the heck is behind this "table is dead" mentality? Personally, I dislike CSS. It leaves guys like me in the cold. What do I mean? In my experience CSS isn't as easy or usable by people who code HTML by hand- especially on a casual basis. I suppose this doesn't matter for users that desire a WYSIWYG editor. And I guess it doesn't matter for users who use CSS daily in their profession and become proficient at it. It is those of us who have to develop the occasional JSP or small web site that won't make the transition.
Let us also not forget that Admiral Hopper has a ship in the U.S. Navy named after her- the U.S.S. Hopper. It is an Aegis destroyer that is part of the Pacific fleet.
In my country, I am stolen from on a daily basis. This has gone on my entire life. The worst part is, the theft is done by the government and if I refuse, I'll get thrown in jail for probably a decade or two. Money is taken from every day's wages I earn, and given to others. Others who are deemed "more needy" by some great power in Washington. As I've worked harder and became more productive, they've taken more and more, at greater and greater percentages. It is now up to 30%.
The worst part is, the government has suckered almost everyone into agreeing with them, by paying for a very small quanity of things that I DO use out of the money they steal from me. For example, I am forced to drive on government funded roads to get to work. Because the government built the roads, they essentially squashed any chance that a private road would ever be built. So, I trade 30% of my salary for a road.
They also force a ransom from me every year for the property I own. They use this money to fund horrible schools which are dangerous for children and have questionable curriculum. They are so bad that in my area private schools are the norm, so most parents are paying for school twice.
I have never experienced this, but I heard someone won a reality show here in the US, and went away to jail because he didn't pay a ransom to the government on the winnings.
Let us not forget about death taxes, sales tax, elevated taxes on products like tobacco and alcohol, state income taxes, etc.
As Ayn Rand was so fond of saying, the only moral functions of government are national defense, police protection, and a judicial system. The politicians in ths country over the last 100 years might as well have torn up and shit on the Constitution, because that is what they were doing to the concepts behind the document.
My friends, China is a preview of the U.S. This was predicted by folks like Thomas Jefferson. It is the nature of government.
Heh... well, now you see the whole problem with the issue of global warming and the reason why people believe what they believe. A few people get silenced, the rest find a way to be extremely vocal, and guess who the masses will follow.
and that carbon dioxide remains the 800-pound gorilla of climate change.
Actually, carbon dioxide is a small player. Water is responsible for at least 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect. It is amazing to me how everyone is so eager to jump on a single bandwagon when it comes to global warming. Anyone who offers contradictory information is immediately dubbed as an "oil company lover" or a "right-wing anti-environmentalist." The first unfortunate truth is that science on both sides is being funded by people with particular interests. Oil companies and industrialists would love for global warming NOT to exist just as much as many anti-corporate liberals and environmental extremists would love for it TO exist.
The second unfortunate truth is that we know very little about the Earth's climate system. It is a complex subject where everything is interdependent on everything else. We need to invest more money into figuring out how it all works and we need to figure out how to get the money to those scientists in such a way that they aren't pressured to produce results that imply specific conclusions.
Do you really expect that the left are sincere in their motives and that they really want to "make the earth a better place?" Hint- the answer is the same as whether you think the right's sincere motive is to "keep the country safe." Most politicians are the same breed. Some will try to convince you that invading Iraq is necessary to protect America and some will try to convince you that new laws are required to prevent global warming and save the environment. Neither side consistently demonstrates the ability to think rationally or objectively which is in fact the only moral way to govern.
Allowing full html coding, including embedding java or javascript, is an invitation for the unscrupulous. That's one of the 500 reasons I can think of to never visit a website like myspace.
I don't think your logic makes sense. Any scammer out there can get a nearly free hosting plan and upload whatever content they want. Using your logic, you'd never visit any web site created by anyone. You'd certainly never click a link on Google because you have no way of knowing what is on the other end (and you'd only feel "safe" when you could be sure the content on the other end was created with some locked down UI?)
I don't see how any part of this type of system would be considered truely real time, as the title suggests. There doesn't seem to be either a soft or hard real time constraint and I doubt they are investing in a real time computing platform.
Thanks man. I was beginning to wonder if anybody posting comments had ever even used both technologies. It is kind of like comparing a mixer to an oven or some such nonsense.
Just look at JSF, where some components use AJAX. JSF is certainly the web framework used in many J2EE applications.
Good point. And, we've made something as easy as making a land-line call potentially so complex that the average person can't even do it. For some reason I'm always having to do ridiculous things like unplugging my cable modem, router, and disconnecting the coax from the modem (in some special order that is hard to reproduce) in order to "fix" my internet connection. If I had Vonage for voice on top of all this it would be a real train wreck.
The problem is, people have learned to accept that "the internet is down", but it would be a much bigger deal if the water was off, the electric was out, or the land line was down.
I would consider the fact that California is suing the automakers to be quite a show of restraint. Here in Hawaii, they would skip the whole lawsuit step and just outlaw the future sale and existing ownership of the vehicles. We'd all be left to walk or travel via canoe.
Honestly, if the market and available technology can support something different & better, we will find out soon enough. Google's "for profit" charity is going to tackle the issue as one of their first initiatives. If you really can make a car that gets 100mpg, can be mass produced for a fair cost, is safe to drive, and doesn't do harm to the environment in other ways (battery disposal, increased demand on coal power plants, etc.) then I'll be the first to welcome the new G-Car to my driveway.
Let me throw it back in your face - since when is it your right to use someone else's creation in violation of the terms to which they agreed to sell it to you?
And then, complaining about it on top of everything! I don't know why people act like they are being oppressed or something.
Once in Honolulu a plane full of passengers at the gate (including myself) watched an entire cart full of luggage sit through one of the worst rain storms I have ever seen. A couple of workers were watching it. You might think that it would be a minor problem solved by drying your clothes out when you got to your hotel. Not true. Everything was ruined. Books, smaller electronics that had been packed, and even our clothes. We had a couple of red garmets that hadn't be washed and they soaked our clothes with red dye.
The airline didn't give a shit and wouldn't help us- they said TSA handles all baggage problems now. Well, you can imagine how well TSA (a government agency) handles this. It is just like if something breaks while a professional mover is moving your stuff. On paper you are covered, but in reality they make it so incredibly difficult to file a claim and prove damage that it realistically isn't even possible.
no airline is going to accept any liability on electronic products like iPods, laptops and cameras because they know people would just use them as a cash cow to get upgraded hardware.
No airline is going to accept any liability on electronic products like iPods, laptops and cameras because they know they do not handle baggage carefully and it would cost them a fortune.
Just out of curiosity, how would you feel if a product you produced was being used to kill others?
What you seem to be implying is ridiculous but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I have the benefit of working for a DOD contractor and I can tell you that none of the software I have ever worked on even remotely could be attributed to anything that could result in the death of an enemy.
On the other hand, not being allowed to use OSS costs the taxpayer money. Thats right- if I have to write a framework from scratch that could be hundreds of additional hours I bill Uncle Sam and we all know where Uncle Sam gets his money from.
On the total flip side, one could just as easily argue a similar point as yours. "How would you feel if a restricting the use of a product you produced was being used to kill others?" Well, assume those others are US troops trying to protect our country, and they suffer from the lack of high tech training systems because you deny the use of your product. Sure, it is equally as ridiculous. Hopefully it does show how ridiculous any similar statement might be.
P.S. What if Bin Laden uses Linux? Should we tell him to stop? What if he doesn't?
I live on Kauai. It is an island. We have a bus but it doesn't go to the mainland or other islands. Thankfully, now I can buy new toothpaste, bug repellent, sunscreen, mouthwash, contact lens solution, and cologne every time I take an interisland flight for the weekend. Don't even get me started on how much stuff my wife will have to buy. Pretty soon we'll all be asked to dispose of our clothes and wear a TSA approved robe on the plane. And then comes the barcode tattoo. And then the chip implant. But hey, it is all in the name of saftey.
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I am curious about your impression after interviewing. Did Google seem like a sweat shop to you? Or did you get the impression it is a 40/hr a week gig?
Take XP SP2. It shows a warning in IE when you open an XML document. This is ridiculous.
Both THAAD and Aegis BMD systems are designed to be forward deployed to the parts of the world that you mention.
What about just installing the OS? Upgrade simply means you own an existing version and are getting a discount to upgrade that license to a Vista license. Perhaps I want to start clean and format my machine when upgrading. Why the hell should I have to install XP first? From my experience this is a shitty way to install an OS anyway. I never install one OS on top of an old one.
I hear some people saying people like me should buy a full license? Why??? Just for the privilege of being able to install on a blank hard drive even though I already paid for XP?
What happens when the next version of windows, post-Vista comes out. Do I have to install XP, install Vista, and then install whatever they call the next shitty version of the OS? Fuck.
I agree with you. Web services also come to mind. Long before SOAP left the bathtub and entered our computers, people were exchanging XML over HTTP all the time. It generally worked well- what is so hard about it- you agree on a schema, build the document, transmit it, and the other guy parses and uses it. Done. Minimal code, lightweight, functional.
Nowadays, Thou Shalt use Web Services. This means layers of super complex descriptors, marshaling code, etc. It seems as though one is always fighting serialization and interoperability issues. Is it worth it? Is this really "more maintainable" or "more scalable" or "mo betta" in any practical way? What greater value have you really produced beyond the poor man's solution of plain XML over HTTP? Because I know this concept of everyone communicating exclusively over web services discovered via UDDI is a pipe dream.
Point taken, but there is a big difference between Windows ME and Vista. I believe ME was just a blip on the radar screen- part a progression that went from Windows 95 to Windows 98 and Windows ME if I'm not mistaken. It wasn't a brand new kernel and nothing revolutionary.
The progression I saw in the corporate world was often:
[developers/power users] Windows NT 3.5 --> NT 4.0 --> Win2K--> XP Pro
[biz users] Windows 3.1 --> Windows 95 --> Windows 98 --> XP Pro
Not all companies I've worked for took all those steps; some skipped a step but the general progression still happened. As a developer I've always had a decent Windows experience since even NT 4 and Win2K were, in my opinion, much stronger than the alternatives of Windows 95/98/ME.
I expect a lot of companies to stay at XP or even Win2K for a while. But Vista is the only logical transition as hardware support and software support starts to decrease for those platforms. It isn't like there will be another new, ground up version of Windows in a year or two.
This is what I mean when I say that Vista can't lose. Companies have nowhere else to go and I can tell you that big corporate shops are NOT going to transition everyone to Linux or OS X. I remember buying an HP scanner sometime after XP was introduced and it didn't have proper driver support for 2000. When this type of thing starts happening with Vista, that is when corporations will start feeling the pressure to upgrade. It will get probably get in the following years budget.
There will be anecdotal stories on Slashdot about places that convert to Linux or OS X but these will be insignificant statistics.
It really doesn't matter. Before long each new Dell and every other new computer will be shipping with Vista. It could be the worst operating system ever, and within a few years everyone will be using it. There is virtually no way for Vista to fail, given the circumstances.
CSS is a nice option for style, but not for layout. So while it is nice for changing all your fonts, it is a bear to use it to lay out your page. This is why tables are still used so heavily.
no matter how many times humans start over with a utopian system
That is funny, my idea of a utopian system is where everyone who works gets compensated. I am not a fan of servitude, although our leaders (most recently Clinton and Bush) encourage it. It sounds like what happened with Debian is a perfect example of the system you favor breaking down. It is hard to convince people to work for free (thus taking away time from their family/friends or other interests) but rewarding them with compensation works. I'd much rather explain to my kid that I don't have time to play with him because I'm making money to help put him through college than explain how I'm ignoring him so that that stuff I'm working on can be used by a bunch of strangers who want to use a free OS.
At least at this point our society and leaders only try to strongly convince people to participate in servitude. Eventually, the act of convincing becomes a lot more effective because the barrel of a gun becomes involved.
I agree 100%. I don't do a lot of HTML work- but I seem to have a project every year or so. For the past several years I've started each project fresh thinking "this is the time I quick using tables!" and it never fails- I spend days trying to make a div layout work. My deadline approaches and I end up using tables again.
Who the heck is behind this "table is dead" mentality? Personally, I dislike CSS. It leaves guys like me in the cold. What do I mean? In my experience CSS isn't as easy or usable by people who code HTML by hand- especially on a casual basis. I suppose this doesn't matter for users that desire a WYSIWYG editor. And I guess it doesn't matter for users who use CSS daily in their profession and become proficient at it. It is those of us who have to develop the occasional JSP or small web site that won't make the transition.
Let us also not forget that Admiral Hopper has a ship in the U.S. Navy named after her- the U.S.S. Hopper. It is an Aegis destroyer that is part of the Pacific fleet.
I've heard an emergency broadcast once or twice recently when earthquakes hit one part of my state (just offshore from the Big Island of Hawaii.)
In my country, I am stolen from on a daily basis. This has gone on my entire life. The worst part is, the theft is done by the government and if I refuse, I'll get thrown in jail for probably a decade or two. Money is taken from every day's wages I earn, and given to others. Others who are deemed "more needy" by some great power in Washington. As I've worked harder and became more productive, they've taken more and more, at greater and greater percentages. It is now up to 30%.
The worst part is, the government has suckered almost everyone into agreeing with them, by paying for a very small quanity of things that I DO use out of the money they steal from me. For example, I am forced to drive on government funded roads to get to work. Because the government built the roads, they essentially squashed any chance that a private road would ever be built. So, I trade 30% of my salary for a road.
They also force a ransom from me every year for the property I own. They use this money to fund horrible schools which are dangerous for children and have questionable curriculum. They are so bad that in my area private schools are the norm, so most parents are paying for school twice.
I have never experienced this, but I heard someone won a reality show here in the US, and went away to jail because he didn't pay a ransom to the government on the winnings.
Let us not forget about death taxes, sales tax, elevated taxes on products like tobacco and alcohol, state income taxes, etc.
As Ayn Rand was so fond of saying, the only moral functions of government are national defense, police protection, and a judicial system. The politicians in ths country over the last 100 years might as well have torn up and shit on the Constitution, because that is what they were doing to the concepts behind the document.
My friends, China is a preview of the U.S. This was predicted by folks like Thomas Jefferson. It is the nature of government.
Heh... well, now you see the whole problem with the issue of global warming and the reason why people believe what they believe. A few people get silenced, the rest find a way to be extremely vocal, and guess who the masses will follow.
and that carbon dioxide remains the 800-pound gorilla of climate change.
Actually, carbon dioxide is a small player. Water is responsible for at least 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect. It is amazing to me how everyone is so eager to jump on a single bandwagon when it comes to global warming. Anyone who offers contradictory information is immediately dubbed as an "oil company lover" or a "right-wing anti-environmentalist." The first unfortunate truth is that science on both sides is being funded by people with particular interests. Oil companies and industrialists would love for global warming NOT to exist just as much as many anti-corporate liberals and environmental extremists would love for it TO exist.
The second unfortunate truth is that we know very little about the Earth's climate system. It is a complex subject where everything is interdependent on everything else. We need to invest more money into figuring out how it all works and we need to figure out how to get the money to those scientists in such a way that they aren't pressured to produce results that imply specific conclusions.
Do you really expect that the left are sincere in their motives and that they really want to "make the earth a better place?" Hint- the answer is the same as whether you think the right's sincere motive is to "keep the country safe." Most politicians are the same breed. Some will try to convince you that invading Iraq is necessary to protect America and some will try to convince you that new laws are required to prevent global warming and save the environment. Neither side consistently demonstrates the ability to think rationally or objectively which is in fact the only moral way to govern.
Allowing full html coding, including embedding java or javascript, is an invitation for the unscrupulous. That's one of the 500 reasons I can think of to never visit a website like myspace.
I don't think your logic makes sense. Any scammer out there can get a nearly free hosting plan and upload whatever content they want. Using your logic, you'd never visit any web site created by anyone. You'd certainly never click a link on Google because you have no way of knowing what is on the other end (and you'd only feel "safe" when you could be sure the content on the other end was created with some locked down UI?)
I don't see how any part of this type of system would be considered truely real time, as the title suggests. There doesn't seem to be either a soft or hard real time constraint and I doubt they are investing in a real time computing platform.
Thanks man. I was beginning to wonder if anybody posting comments had ever even used both technologies. It is kind of like comparing a mixer to an oven or some such nonsense.
Just look at JSF, where some components use AJAX. JSF is certainly the web framework used in many J2EE applications.
Good point. And, we've made something as easy as making a land-line call potentially so complex that the average person can't even do it. For some reason I'm always having to do ridiculous things like unplugging my cable modem, router, and disconnecting the coax from the modem (in some special order that is hard to reproduce) in order to "fix" my internet connection. If I had Vonage for voice on top of all this it would be a real train wreck.
The problem is, people have learned to accept that "the internet is down", but it would be a much bigger deal if the water was off, the electric was out, or the land line was down.
I would consider the fact that California is suing the automakers to be quite a show of restraint. Here in Hawaii, they would skip the whole lawsuit step and just outlaw the future sale and existing ownership of the vehicles. We'd all be left to walk or travel via canoe.
Honestly, if the market and available technology can support something different & better, we will find out soon enough. Google's "for profit" charity is going to tackle the issue as one of their first initiatives. If you really can make a car that gets 100mpg, can be mass produced for a fair cost, is safe to drive, and doesn't do harm to the environment in other ways (battery disposal, increased demand on coal power plants, etc.) then I'll be the first to welcome the new G-Car to my driveway.
Let me throw it back in your face - since when is it your right to use someone else's creation in violation of the terms to which they agreed to sell it to you?
And then, complaining about it on top of everything! I don't know why people act like they are being oppressed or something.
Once in Honolulu a plane full of passengers at the gate (including myself) watched an entire cart full of luggage sit through one of the worst rain storms I have ever seen. A couple of workers were watching it. You might think that it would be a minor problem solved by drying your clothes out when you got to your hotel. Not true. Everything was ruined. Books, smaller electronics that had been packed, and even our clothes. We had a couple of red garmets that hadn't be washed and they soaked our clothes with red dye.
The airline didn't give a shit and wouldn't help us- they said TSA handles all baggage problems now. Well, you can imagine how well TSA (a government agency) handles this. It is just like if something breaks while a professional mover is moving your stuff. On paper you are covered, but in reality they make it so incredibly difficult to file a claim and prove damage that it realistically isn't even possible.
no airline is going to accept any liability on electronic products like iPods, laptops and cameras because they know people would just use them as a cash cow to get upgraded hardware.
No airline is going to accept any liability on electronic products like iPods, laptops and cameras because they know they do not handle baggage carefully and it would cost them a fortune.
Just out of curiosity, how would you feel if a product you produced was being used to kill others?
What you seem to be implying is ridiculous but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I have the benefit of working for a DOD contractor and I can tell you that none of the software I have ever worked on even remotely could be attributed to anything that could result in the death of an enemy.
On the other hand, not being allowed to use OSS costs the taxpayer money. Thats right- if I have to write a framework from scratch that could be hundreds of additional hours I bill Uncle Sam and we all know where Uncle Sam gets his money from.
On the total flip side, one could just as easily argue a similar point as yours. "How would you feel if a restricting the use of a product you produced was being used to kill others?" Well, assume those others are US troops trying to protect our country, and they suffer from the lack of high tech training systems because you deny the use of your product. Sure, it is equally as ridiculous. Hopefully it does show how ridiculous any similar statement might be.
P.S. What if Bin Laden uses Linux? Should we tell him to stop? What if he doesn't?
I live on Kauai. It is an island. We have a bus but it doesn't go to the mainland or other islands. Thankfully, now I can buy new toothpaste, bug repellent, sunscreen, mouthwash, contact lens solution, and cologne every time I take an interisland flight for the weekend. Don't even get me started on how much stuff my wife will have to buy. Pretty soon we'll all be asked to dispose of our clothes and wear a TSA approved robe on the plane. And then comes the barcode tattoo. And then the chip implant. But hey, it is all in the name of saftey.