yes, sorry - I had assumed people might notice the '3D' button on the top right.
I tried it once on Microsoft OS, and it seemed to work really well. I guess this embarrased them into releasing what they have...though I've not tried it, so I don't really know.
Note that this also only supports a limited set of browsers/OSes:
" Check out the list of compatible browsers Sorry, but for now, 3D Maps only supports the following browsers on Windows and Mac OS: Internet Explorer 7+ Firefox 3.5+ Chrome Safari 5+ "
and then there's Baidu which has a nifty model-based 3D view - I forget how to get that going now (something off www.baidu.com, probably), but it's quite impressive.
Degrees *can* make a difference, especially if they are recent and cover recent techn{ologi,iqu}es. They are also *required* in some industries (nuclear, iinm). Howver, the value in a degree varies widely throughout the world, irrespective of where the degree was obtained. In China, for example, degrees are very important.
Anyway, if you can up your salary by 50% each time you change, I can't help but wonder why you don't change more regularly...
I think he meant that 'CS' is called 'IT', not the other way around, but far be it from me to put words into his mouth.
While (IMO) what you say is certainly accurate, there *is* a difference in what "IT" is considered to be in different places. In some places (eg US, from my experience), it just means the people (and their skills) who operate the networks and services that are used throughout the company; while in other places, it encompases a significant part of computer science too, though mostly with a more practical focus (IMO)....but that is just my experience. PS. Why does this stupid/. thing ignore line breaks before '...'??
Seems we are in agreement then. What site is this? Odd, anyway.
FWIW, it was attempted to get this 'completely replace app' functionality into MeeGo/Harmattan too. I'm not 100% sure how successful those attempts were, but what was done should be there on the Nokia N9 (soon) and Nokia N950 (already here for the chosen few). I was keen on this because the apps are usually the only bits that are closed source and so are not (easily) fixable by anyone other than the manufacturer (in this case Nokia) and their motivations/priorities often aren't the same as the user's (ie me). I assume this is likely to be particularly true with the N9 (Mr Elop seems intent on minimising the success of the N9 so one has to wonder about bug fixing/etc), so I hope there is something in there to work with at least.
I guess the Google apps have a similar problem - ie they are closed source and so the community can't fix them. Is that true?
Ok, perhaps it is more 'accepted' to not have this sort of functionality 'out of the box' with Android. Fair enough. I might look into that. The 'emergency' button app is sort of interesting - that's basically want I want, ie I want this phone for visitors so they can call me very quickly.
I'm not too bothered about 'the experience' without Google - I accept that they can make it better by integrating it all. I just choose to not use their services, in this case.
Yeah, I know about being able to replace applications - content providers, right? It's been a little while since I learned Android (didn't care for it - too fiddly, which is saying something since I was also a Symbian developer:/)....but it seems I am in the minority, which is fine;)
> Does the contacts app then upload your contacts to Google for Calender, etc., synch?
I chose not to enter an account, so, no, it didn't; but I suppose that's what would happen if I had.
> Well, the fact is Kenya's not Korea in in terms of Internet access. Here's hoping they catch up.
Fair enough about internet access (while *nowhere* is Korea in [in] terms of Internet access) - though I had heard that most people use their phones (Nokia, mostly) for internet access in such countries, so perhaps it fits in quite well, and I guess they demand less too.. Having said that, I have no data...
I don't think a password would be a problem. It might also be argued that they are starting from nothing (presumably) so have an advantage over some of us who are used to *not* having to create an account and enter a username/password, just to use a phone (fully). On the other hand, Nokia phones are quite popular in such places, so perhaps they also find this an issue.
> 1. Do you require a Google account in order to use/initialize your Android phone?
On my T-Mobile Pulse Mini Pink (how secure am *I*!?), it asked for google username and gave the option to create one. I chose not to, but doing so made the phone almost useless (IMO), since I couldn't use the contacts application (I didn't try much else). I think it is sort of the point that you should use it with Google services - it's not like a Symbian phone where it's designed to be a stand-alone system. I suppose this is also true of iPhone and WP to varying degrees. Whether the reader agrees with this type of system or not is another issue.
I'm not sure why you think this provides difficulties for Kenya (or people therein) more than anywhere else...care to enlighten?
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indeed, I am often amazed at how ignorant people are, especially when it comes to how ignorant other people are.
perhaps security isn't an issue - not everything is on a network, or an open network...
and your argument can be applied to any piece of software, why is gvim any different to other X s/w?
Seriously? You can't think of a reason?
...a myriad of other X11 clients...
like gvim, for example.
yes, sorry - I had assumed people might notice the '3D' button on the top right.
I tried it once on Microsoft OS, and it seemed to work really well. I guess this embarrased them into releasing what they have...though I've not tried it, so I don't really know.
http://maps.nokia.com/
Note that this also only supports a limited set of browsers/OSes:
"
Check out the list of compatible browsers
Sorry, but for now, 3D Maps only supports the following browsers on Windows and Mac OS:
Internet Explorer 7+
Firefox 3.5+
Chrome
Safari 5+
"
and then there's Baidu which has a nifty model-based 3D view - I forget how to get that going now (something off www.baidu.com, probably), but it's quite impressive.
"illegal" is also a legal term.
Not that I don't agree with your general point.
Degrees *can* make a difference, especially if they are recent and cover recent techn{ologi,iqu}es. They are also *required* in some industries (nuclear, iinm).
Howver, the value in a degree varies widely throughout the world, irrespective of where the degree was obtained. In China, for example, degrees are very important.
Anyway, if you can up your salary by 50% each time you change, I can't help but wonder why you don't change more regularly...
I think he meant that 'CS' is called 'IT', not the other way around, but far be it from me to put words into his mouth.
While (IMO) what you say is certainly accurate, there *is* a difference in what "IT" is considered to be in different places. In some places (eg US, from my experience), it just means the people (and their skills) who operate the networks and services that are used throughout the company; while in other places, it encompases a significant part of computer science too, though mostly with a more practical focus (IMO). ...but that is just my experience. /. thing ignore line breaks before '...'??
PS. Why does this stupid
bit odd, but plausible, I suppose
thanks
I don't get the reference to DNS. If a web page has a link on it, what does it's existence have to do with DNS?
If this was China, you'd all be up in arms, firearms, probably.
I would guess they wouldn't bill at US rates :
http://misterfix.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/yu-kenya-internet-data-bundles-pricing/
It seems like 1000KSHS is about 10USD - of course, I've not too much idea about cost of living there, so it's not very easy to compare.
I found this too : "Mobile data subscriptions account for 99 percent of all Internet access in Kenya"
http://www.ictworks.org/news/2011/07/14/mobile-data-subscriptions-account-99-percent-all-internet-access-kenya
Could be this is a flaw with earlier versions that's now fixed?
I was wondering that. It sounds possible. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt there'll be any update for the Pink :/
Like I said, *IMO* it falls into the definition of "CAN'T".
Sorry if that wasn't clear from my first post.
Seems we are in agreement then. What site is this? Odd, anyway.
FWIW, it was attempted to get this 'completely replace app' functionality into MeeGo/Harmattan too. I'm not 100% sure how successful those attempts were, but what was done should be there on the Nokia N9 (soon) and Nokia N950 (already here for the chosen few). I was keen on this because the apps are usually the only bits that are closed source and so are not (easily) fixable by anyone other than the manufacturer (in this case Nokia) and their motivations/priorities often aren't the same as the user's (ie me). I assume this is likely to be particularly true with the N9 (Mr Elop seems intent on minimising the success of the N9 so one has to wonder about bug fixing/etc), so I hope there is something in there to work with at least.
I guess the Google apps have a similar problem - ie they are closed source and so the community can't fix them. Is that true?
Ok, perhaps it is more 'accepted' to not have this sort of functionality 'out of the box' with Android. Fair enough. I might look into that. The 'emergency' button app is sort of interesting - that's basically want I want, ie I want this phone for visitors so they can call me very quickly.
I'm not too bothered about 'the experience' without Google - I accept that they can make it better by integrating it all. I just choose to not use their services, in this case.
Yeah, I know about being able to replace applications - content providers, right? It's been a little while since I learned Android (didn't care for it - too fiddly, which is saying something since I was also a Symbian developer :/)....but it seems I am in the minority, which is fine ;)
curious...contacts definitely didn't work on my Pink. I think that's running 2.1 or something (I forget)...what was your experience gained on?
IMO, that falls into the definition of "CAN'T".
> Does the contacts app then upload your contacts to Google for Calender, etc., synch?
I chose not to enter an account, so, no, it didn't; but I suppose that's what would happen if I had.
> Well, the fact is Kenya's not Korea in in terms of Internet access. Here's hoping they catch up.
Fair enough about internet access (while *nowhere* is Korea in [in] terms of Internet access) - though I had heard that most people use their phones (Nokia, mostly) for internet access in such countries, so perhaps it fits in quite well, and I guess they demand less too.. Having said that, I have no data...
I don't think a password would be a problem. It might also be argued that they are starting from nothing (presumably) so have an advantage over some of us who are used to *not* having to create an account and enter a username/password, just to use a phone (fully). On the other hand, Nokia phones are quite popular in such places, so perhaps they also find this an issue.
Oh, I don't know...
> 1. Do you require a Google account in order to use/initialize your Android phone?
On my T-Mobile Pulse Mini Pink (how secure am *I*!?), it asked for google username and gave the option to create one. I chose not to, but doing so made the phone almost useless (IMO), since I couldn't use the contacts application (I didn't try much else). I think it is sort of the point that you should use it with Google services - it's not like a Symbian phone where it's designed to be a stand-alone system. I suppose this is also true of iPhone and WP to varying degrees. Whether the reader agrees with this type of system or not is another issue.
I'm not sure why you think this provides difficulties for Kenya (or people therein) more than anywhere else...care to enlighten?
Are they popular in Kenya? I wouldn't have thought so...
Surely this ends the argument?
... but the number of people that care about this one can be counted on your fingers.
in binary, perhaps..
I agree :(