Well, I don't think that's a valid claim since I don't think the CEO of Google has claimed they plan to drop Android - that is a fairly significant difference, IMO.
But, yes, until it actually *is* dropped, you can never tell if it will be or not. It *is* possible that Elop could change his mind, or quits/gets fired - since the Symbian developers were sold off to some other company (I forget who), they can still be utilised. Not so much for MeeGo, IMO.
By 'dropped', I suppose I mean that Nokia no longer have any expertise in house, plan no more support or products. I guess some services might still be supported, if it makes sense to have those services for other devices (presumably WP7 ones, if things go the way MS/Elop wants).
I wonder what about this up coming 'next billion' device/platform from Nokia...could be interesting, if it's open.
Well, I don't think wifi in general will die out, but just as a way of being connected via phone. I reach this conclusion based on my own usage. I have wifi at home, and at work, but I also have an unlimited celular data plan, and I basically keep it on cellular 'all the time'. The only times I use wifi on my phone are when I have to download something heavy-weight (or, like I mentioned, I don't have the cellular data).
I guess wifi via many hotspots might work ok, but I just don't see too much point - that is, when you have always on connection via cellular data. For visitors, it would be very valuable; also in places where cellular data is 'spotty' as someone else suggested in a previous post.
I don't much like using wifi, and think it'll generally die out in favour of cellular data. However, when visiting foreign places, where my cellular data is super expensive or otherwise impractical (eg Beijing), I do appreciate the many free wifi hotspots available (Starbucks, for example).
A few years ago, the wifi hotspots were all open and so I didn't need to enter any password/etc. These days there seems to be a shift towards having passwords. For Starbucks, for example, it is usually just the store's phone number, which is easy enough. For McDonald's though, the network is open but accessing a web page results in a redirection to a landing page where you have to enter a phone number, to which a username/password is sent which is then used on the web site to open up the network. This latter scheme really sucks - obviously, you need a phone and if you log onto the network but don't go through the procedure, the network is still added to the list of networks to join (at least on all the phones I've used) and I have to go to the effort of deleting it - that's really annoying.
Personally, I think this is a great opportunity for NFC. Current uses I've seen for NFC are making the authorisation of bluetooth exchanges easier; but I think the same principal could be used for wifi SSID/password transfers. Those NFC stickers are very cheap and could be placed very near the checkout so you can just access them when you buy...which is the objective for most places anyway.
Sure, NFC isn't so prolific just yet, but you could do something similar with QR codes, I guess....just needs an app. Hrm, seems like something I could knock up...and I might just do that.
Well, the iPhone wasn't even a smart phone (by many people's definition) when it was released. No user-installable apps - not even any MMS, or cut and paste...amazing. Still, when they did come, they were better than on others. It is my opinion that Microsoft can add features/etc as they go along...actually, I think that's a great decision and one that Nokia should have taken a long time ago rather than insisting on making a complete solution on day one.
Yeah, taking over Nokia from the inside...that sucks for sure.
I agree with you. To me, it seems inevitable that WP will be successful. I don't know if it will out-sell iPhone or Android, but it surely will be successful.
However, I *do* care about openness, and so won't choose WP - at least not in my current mind. However, I have become quite tired with the whole 'open' fight - I'm tired of things not quite working and the vastness of the Microsoft employment world is quite attractive....
Actually, it *didn't* have Nokia running scared....it should have, but it didn't. It took quite a while for Nokia to realise the iPhone was going to become a craze. The iPhone really was quite limited, but it didn't stay that way...
Oh, right...the Nokia Internet Tablets that were before the iPhone didn't have cellular phone h/w - unless having Skype makes it count as a phone (many would say it doesn't).
> I'm pretty sure that was new when the original iPhone launched
When the iPhone launched, it was not 'widely used' in any way and there were other hand held computers ('Internet Tablets') out there from Nokia (although not very widely used, especially in the USA, I suppose); and I guess others too.
When the iPhone launched, it had no app store at all. iirc, Apple didn't really want to make an app store, but were later convinced to do so. even when the app store was launched, it didn't have a huge number of apps - they necessarily come afterwards as people develop them.
I don't recon' much to your 'pretty sure'.
The only new feature I can think of that it had was capacitative multitouch. IMO, it was successful more because they forced people (and a US carrier) into having unlimited data plans so people could really use it without having to worry about their bills. That changed later, of course, but it still meant that users could use the device as much as they wanted. Oh, it didn't have multitasking thus ensuring the UI was slick, and it otherwise looked pretty and thin.
I agree that it was 'ground breaking' but it wasn't much to do with features.
> How about you geniuses come up with workable suggestions?
Perhaps because some of the geniuses can easily see the problems but not the solutions/alternatives. I don't see why that is a bad thing.
Perhaps you don't need to be a genius to see the problems, but you do need to be a genius to come up with a solution; in which case, I suppose, literally, you weren't talking to them.
...and banks too. I recently purchased a few music tracks from the Nokia Music Store, from Finland. The 4th attempt to purchase something failed. The reason turned out to be that I don't normally purchase things from Finland using that card/account so they blocked it. I'm not sure why what changed between the 3rd and 4th tracks...I didn't move suddenly between the UK and Finland or anything.
It turns out I have to tell my bank when I decide to travel. Crazy....and supposedly for my own benefit, even though I'm supposedly covered for fraud anyway.
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> Nokias
?? There are plenty of expensive Nokia smartphones too (and some are flimsy too).
I don't quite get this. Isn't it true that what they are detecting is evidence that the planets/etc *used to* exist? ... and quite a long time ago too.
What's to say that they still exist now? ...and how long would it take us to get there? I guess there's no chance we can get there at all.
what? "closest" isn't good enough? you have to be correct now?
No, the Nokia N9 is "MeeGo Harmattan", not "Maemo Harmattan" (note you spelled it incorrectly too).
MeeGo is a marketing term, and the Nokia N9 has it. Technicalities are not relevant with marketing.
Also, it's Qt, not QT.
If you have one, check it...Settings/About product. On my N950, which I have to hand and runs the same s/w, it says :
"MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan"
Make no mistake, it *is* MeeGo. It might not be the same as you get on the public web site, or on other devices, but it *is* MeeGo.
The Queen is German? Er, I think not. She is English, of course. You probably meant something else...(heritage perhaps?).
Oh, I see you said 'mis German'...perhaps I misunderstood...
It's "It's", not "Its", unless you're referring to Sir John as an 'it', which I think would be a little rude.
I just ignored that part, assuming it was some Apple auto-correct doing a poor job as I understand is common.
> the N9 is not really MeeGo
Yes, it really is MeeGo.
Well, I don't think that's a valid claim since I don't think the CEO of Google has claimed they plan to drop Android - that is a fairly significant difference, IMO.
But, yes, until it actually *is* dropped, you can never tell if it will be or not. It *is* possible that Elop could change his mind, or quits/gets fired - since the Symbian developers were sold off to some other company (I forget who), they can still be utilised. Not so much for MeeGo, IMO.
By 'dropped', I suppose I mean that Nokia no longer have any expertise in house, plan no more support or products. I guess some services might still be supported, if it makes sense to have those services for other devices (presumably WP7 ones, if things go the way MS/Elop wants).
I wonder what about this up coming 'next billion' device/platform from Nokia...could be interesting, if it's open.
Symbian is easy to develop for...QtCreator is amazing.
They haven't dropped it *yet*, anyway.
Also, Symbian is easy to develop for....easier than Android anyway....QtCreator is excellent.
Well, I don't think wifi in general will die out, but just as a way of being connected via phone. I reach this conclusion based on my own usage. I have wifi at home, and at work, but I also have an unlimited celular data plan, and I basically keep it on cellular 'all the time'. The only times I use wifi on my phone are when I have to download something heavy-weight (or, like I mentioned, I don't have the cellular data).
I guess wifi via many hotspots might work ok, but I just don't see too much point - that is, when you have always on connection via cellular data. For visitors, it would be very valuable; also in places where cellular data is 'spotty' as someone else suggested in a previous post.
I don't much like using wifi, and think it'll generally die out in favour of cellular data. However, when visiting foreign places, where my cellular data is super expensive or otherwise impractical (eg Beijing), I do appreciate the many free wifi hotspots available (Starbucks, for example).
A few years ago, the wifi hotspots were all open and so I didn't need to enter any password/etc. These days there seems to be a shift towards having passwords. For Starbucks, for example, it is usually just the store's phone number, which is easy enough. For McDonald's though, the network is open but accessing a web page results in a redirection to a landing page where you have to enter a phone number, to which a username/password is sent which is then used on the web site to open up the network. This latter scheme really sucks - obviously, you need a phone and if you log onto the network but don't go through the procedure, the network is still added to the list of networks to join (at least on all the phones I've used) and I have to go to the effort of deleting it - that's really annoying.
Personally, I think this is a great opportunity for NFC. Current uses I've seen for NFC are making the authorisation of bluetooth exchanges easier; but I think the same principal could be used for wifi SSID/password transfers. Those NFC stickers are very cheap and could be placed very near the checkout so you can just access them when you buy...which is the objective for most places anyway.
Sure, NFC isn't so prolific just yet, but you could do something similar with QR codes, I guess....just needs an app. Hrm, seems like something I could knock up...and I might just do that.
Well, the iPhone wasn't even a smart phone (by many people's definition) when it was released. No user-installable apps - not even any MMS, or cut and paste...amazing. Still, when they did come, they were better than on others. It is my opinion that Microsoft can add features/etc as they go along...actually, I think that's a great decision and one that Nokia should have taken a long time ago rather than insisting on making a complete solution on day one.
Yeah, taking over Nokia from the inside...that sucks for sure.
I agree with you. To me, it seems inevitable that WP will be successful. I don't know if it will out-sell iPhone or Android, but it surely will be successful.
However, I *do* care about openness, and so won't choose WP - at least not in my current mind. However, I have become quite tired with the whole 'open' fight - I'm tired of things not quite working and the vastness of the Microsoft employment world is quite attractive....
> They couldn't even manage to get Nokia to release a phone in time for Christmas this year
eh, what? I think they did...
http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/products/phone/lumia800/buynow/
even symbian had voice control...before the iPhone was released...nothing new there. of course, it wasn't very good, but it still had it.
Actually, it *didn't* have Nokia running scared....it should have, but it didn't. It took quite a while for Nokia to realise the iPhone was going to become a craze. The iPhone really was quite limited, but it didn't stay that way...
Oh, right...the Nokia Internet Tablets that were before the iPhone didn't have cellular phone h/w - unless having Skype makes it count as a phone (many would say it doesn't).
was the iPhone not the first with capacitative multi-touch?
> (other than the dying Symbian)
Shows what you know...Symbian has Skype too. Is it really so hard to check that fact?
Of course, it can't be long before WP gets it too, now that Skype has been purchased.
> I'm pretty sure that was new when the original iPhone launched
When the iPhone launched, it was not 'widely used' in any way and there were other hand held computers ('Internet Tablets') out there from Nokia (although not very widely used, especially in the USA, I suppose); and I guess others too.
When the iPhone launched, it had no app store at all. iirc, Apple didn't really want to make an app store, but were later convinced to do so. even when the app store was launched, it didn't have a huge number of apps - they necessarily come afterwards as people develop them.
I don't recon' much to your 'pretty sure'.
The only new feature I can think of that it had was capacitative multitouch. IMO, it was successful more because they forced people (and a US carrier) into having unlimited data plans so people could really use it without having to worry about their bills. That changed later, of course, but it still meant that users could use the device as much as they wanted. Oh, it didn't have multitasking thus ensuring the UI was slick, and it otherwise looked pretty and thin.
I agree that it was 'ground breaking' but it wasn't much to do with features.
Clearly, not a native (English) speaker. In American English, that should read, 'metal alloy *not* known to man'.
Of course, that leaves us all wondering if there are some women who know about it (or not, if the original is correct).
> How about you geniuses come up with workable suggestions?
Perhaps because some of the geniuses can easily see the problems but not the solutions/alternatives. I don't see why that is a bad thing.
Perhaps you don't need to be a genius to see the problems, but you do need to be a genius to come up with a solution; in which case, I suppose, literally, you weren't talking to them.
...and banks too. I recently purchased a few music tracks from the Nokia Music Store, from Finland. The 4th attempt to purchase something failed. The reason turned out to be that I don't normally purchase things from Finland using that card/account so they blocked it. I'm not sure why what changed between the 3rd and 4th tracks...I didn't move suddenly between the UK and Finland or anything.
It turns out I have to tell my bank when I decide to travel. Crazy. ...and supposedly for my own benefit, even though I'm supposedly covered for fraud anyway.