> Um.. no.. look at the final medal count. China only won the gold medal count, and that was because of a lot of the standard 'home field advantage' that happens in EVERY Olympics
Funny how the US is the only country to order the table that way (as far as I looked). The rest of the world sort by gold, then silver, then bronze, and they think you're pathetic for ordering it any other way.
The US is best at losing, that's all. I best the US would be best if you counted all the other positions too. Heck, what happens if you include all the Paralympics into consideration too. Oh, it seems that the US loses on total too, if you do that.
I think you just have a crap phone. I wouldn't blame Symbian for that. You made a poor choice.
I've had several S60/Symbian phones, and don't have any such problems worth speaking of. When I first had an N95, back in December 2006 (iirc), it was similar to how you describe, but they fixed that with a firmware upgrade, and I'm told that such problems are now close to non-existent. I've since used a 3250 and it's fairly usable considering it's so old and not the best sort of hardware. I didn't notice any problems with my Nokia N95-8GB.
I now have an E90 and I've had this phone longer than any other, and I guess I have occasional problems, but it's easy to live with them. I'm sure many phones has problems at some point or other.
Ironically enough, my E90 has most problems trying to display Nokia's web site, which is heavy flash. Other web site haven't any problems that I can specifically recall. It happens from time-to-time, but that happens on the desktop too.
ok, fair enough. I looked it up and there seemed to be many events that year. I'm still unsure what the Boston tea party has to do with this discussion. I mean, it was an attack on the East India Company because they were granted a monopoly on importing tea to the US. Isn't that correct?
> It may have 20 times the market share 'right now' but the writing went up on the wall for its demise at > about the time the whole certificate business came in to being. It'll be interesting to see if open > sourcing will make any difference.
Indeed. However, the backing of the manufacturers is fairly impressive, I think; though things can change pretty quickly, for sure. After all, phones only last a year or two these days, and I suspect manufacturers are pretty similar. At least they no longer have to pay royalties on the OS.
> Certainly you can distribute unsigned applications, quite a few people have gained much popularity by > going this route, but to rake in the cash from average users you have to pay the toll to get your app > signed.
I wouldn't call it a 'toll', and I'm not sure it actually necessarily costs anything. Looking briefly at http://www.symbiansigned.com/, things seemed to have changed since I worked on S60, but back then, one test house was sponsored by the likes of Nokia and would sign freeware apps for no cost.
> Not only that, while you may have knocked up the best 'killer app' ever over a weekend or two, it would > still take 6 months to 2 years before you get the silent nod from Symbain to unleash it on the world.
Not in my experience - it only took a couple of weeks for me.
> Symbian also decide what they will or wont sign, and while they perhaps aren't as obvious in their motives as Apple, they are just as bad.
This is, I think, misleading. Symbian provide testing guidelines for the test houses, who run the apps through those tests, but, IINM, their only criterion is the integrity of the users' phones. However, like I said, things may well have changed in the last year or so.
It is most certainly, completely different to the situation with Apple, and in no way at all, that I can see, are they 'just as bad'.
Heck, Symbian has plans to go completely open source - I don't see Apple doing anything like that....ever.
> With Windows Mobile you indeed have the freedom to set whatever price you like. After all, only a handful of people will ever even know your app exists. Truly a superior situation, which is why WWDC was full of Windows Mobile developers....
What about Symbian then? If you look at the massive market lead Symbian platforms have, I would guess there are many more Symbian developers than Windows Mobile, or Apple for that matter.
Weel, I think it's Apple that's the exception here, not Microsoft. Many platforms are more open the Apple's (if it can even be called a platform). For example, any of the Symbian platforms are more open than Apple's and the way they're heading, they'll be more and more open as time goes on (ref: The Symbian Foundation). Furthermore, Symbian owns a huge proportion of the smartphone market - much more than Microsoft's and much much more than Apple's; so it makes sense from a business perspective too.
Of course, developing for Symbian has a bit of a learning curve, but it's just fine when you know how (IMO).
Well, there you go. Even Berkeley wasn't too famous, though at least I'd heard of it and knew it had a relationship with unix. Actually, I was more aware of AT&T's involvement with unix, since I used that version mostly, iinm - it was running on a GEC 6340 iirc. I even had (perhaps I still do) a VI manual by AT&T.
Actually, perhaps I *had* heard of Stanford, but though it was Stamford, which is a military University in England.
...and, of course, my lack of knowledge *is* evidence. It might be statistically irrelevant knowledge, but it's still evidence. Of course, you can choose to just call me ignorant, but that's just my point really.
Well, I know that *now*. Maybe I'd been told that before, but it wouldn't have meant anything then. It just doesn't come up much outside the US/bay area.
If you need to select English - from an electronic guide or web site, for example - you'll find it's usually represented by a strange flag that has a star-shaped pattern on it. It's still red, white and blue, but not stripy like you'll be used to. I'm not sure why they insist on using a non-standard flag like that, but I hope this helps.
Also, you'll probably find that their spelling is appalling.
> I think it depends on how you act and if you're around ignorant people. I've been out of the US for just over 6 years and I've had a dutch man that just won't talk to me because I'm American and I've had a like 3 conversations with drunks in a pub about Bush that had zero chance of becoming threatening.
You didn't say whether it was the Dutch guy or the drunks that you thought was/were ignorant.
I can tell you - I get enough flack for being American as I traveling around the world, and *I'm not even American*. I should get a T-Shirt or something.
...but, yes, most people aren't offensive to your face. I don't know if that's politeness or lack of guts, but it's fairly true. I mean, even the French and English 'get on' pretty well on a one-to-one basis.
I just moved from China to Finland. When asked if I learned any Chinese, I usually say, "Not much." and claim that the only thing I learned was, "I am not American". That usually gets some good laughs.
That's "Wo bu shi mei guo ren"; pronounced more like "Wo-ar boo sure may gu-o ren" in case any of you American are thinking of venturing outside your own borders. You might find the phrase comes in handy.
BTW, I'm actually not American, but people keep accusing me of it.
>lack the ability to differentiate between moral and non-moral actions...this guy is sorta the same, except he can't recognize sarcasm.
He could be USA American. They're famous for not understanding sarcasm.[1]
...or perhaps German, but they're famous for not understanding humour in general.
[1] Once, an American couple came to work at our company and they were given the task of setting ground rules for our office. One of the things they came up with was, "No sarcasm". Their justification was that sarcasm it was personally insulting. Talk about a narrow definition. I suggested they change their 'ground rule' to "don't be personally insulting".
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> Um.. no.. look at the final medal count. China only won the gold medal count, and that was because of a lot of the standard 'home field advantage' that happens in EVERY Olympics
Funny how the US is the only country to order the table that way (as far as I looked). The rest of the world sort by gold, then silver, then bronze, and they think you're pathetic for ordering it any other way.
The US is best at losing, that's all. I best the US would be best if you counted all the other positions too. Heck, what happens if you include all the Paralympics into consideration too. Oh, it seems that the US loses on total too, if you do that.
I stand by my 'thrashed' statement.
I think you just have a crap phone. I wouldn't blame Symbian for that. You made a poor choice.
I've had several S60/Symbian phones, and don't have any such problems worth speaking of. When I first had an N95, back in December 2006 (iirc), it was similar to how you describe, but they fixed that with a firmware upgrade, and I'm told that such problems are now close to non-existent. I've since used a 3250 and it's fairly usable considering it's so old and not the best sort of hardware. I didn't notice any problems with my Nokia N95-8GB.
I now have an E90 and I've had this phone longer than any other, and I guess I have occasional problems, but it's easy to live with them. I'm sure many phones has problems at some point or other.
Ironically enough, my E90 has most problems trying to display Nokia's web site, which is heavy flash. Other web site haven't any problems that I can specifically recall. It happens from time-to-time, but that happens on the desktop too.
ok, fair enough. I looked it up and there seemed to be many events that year.
I'm still unsure what the Boston tea party has to do with this discussion. I mean, it was an attack on the East India Company because they were granted a monopoly on importing tea to the US. Isn't that correct?
You guys are blaming China gain...but we all know you're just sore at being thrashed by China in the Olympics.
Funnily enough, I'm sure the Chinese agree with you.
1773? What happened then?
> It may have 20 times the market share 'right now' but the writing went up on the wall for its demise at
> about the time the whole certificate business came in to being. It'll be interesting to see if open
> sourcing will make any difference.
Indeed. However, the backing of the manufacturers is fairly impressive, I think; though things can change pretty quickly, for sure. After all, phones only last a year or two these days, and I suspect manufacturers are pretty similar. At least they no longer have to pay royalties on the OS.
> Certainly you can distribute unsigned applications, quite a few people have gained much popularity by
> going this route, but to rake in the cash from average users you have to pay the toll to get your app
> signed.
I wouldn't call it a 'toll', and I'm not sure it actually necessarily costs anything. Looking briefly at http://www.symbiansigned.com/, things seemed to have changed since I worked on S60, but back then, one test house was sponsored by the likes of Nokia and would sign freeware apps for no cost.
> Not only that, while you may have knocked up the best 'killer app' ever over a weekend or two, it would
> still take 6 months to 2 years before you get the silent nod from Symbain to unleash it on the world.
Not in my experience - it only took a couple of weeks for me.
> Symbian also decide what they will or wont sign, and while they perhaps aren't as obvious in their motives as Apple, they are just as bad.
This is, I think, misleading. Symbian provide testing guidelines for the test houses, who run the apps through those tests, but, IINM, their only criterion is the integrity of the users' phones. However, like I said, things may well have changed in the last year or so.
It is most certainly, completely different to the situation with Apple, and in no way at all, that I can see, are they 'just as bad'.
Heck, Symbian has plans to go completely open source - I don't see Apple doing anything like that....ever.
Why not Symbian? It already has massive market lead and is open enough and becoming more open as time goes on.
> I'd be happy to favor an open platform if anyone used the devices.
You should consider Symbian then. Last time I looked, it had 20 times the market share of Apple.
> market base of iPhone
If market base was a consideration, you should consider Symbian since it's massive compared to iPhone; and Android's market is still zero.
> Flash on mobile devices is a joke, especially flash video
Works just fine on Symbian, in my experience. I wish it didn't or there were a Flashblocker or something, but it has worked the times I've tried.
Of course, it still breaks the web, so I go elsewhere when I find it, if I have a choice.
> With Windows Mobile you indeed have the freedom to set whatever price you like. After all, only a handful of people will ever even know your app exists. Truly a superior situation, which is why WWDC was full of Windows Mobile developers....
What about Symbian then? If you look at the massive market lead Symbian platforms have, I would guess there are many more Symbian developers than Windows Mobile, or Apple for that matter.
> Symbian, which is open (as in anyone can develop for it,)
Furthermore, it's future looks even more open - ref: The Symbian Foundation http://www.thesymbianfoundation.com/
I wonder what will happen to Symbian Signed?
Weel, I think it's Apple that's the exception here, not Microsoft. Many platforms are more open the Apple's (if it can even be called a platform). For example, any of the Symbian platforms are more open than Apple's and the way they're heading, they'll be more and more open as time goes on (ref: The Symbian Foundation). Furthermore, Symbian owns a huge proportion of the smartphone market - much more than Microsoft's and much much more than Apple's; so it makes sense from a business perspective too.
Of course, developing for Symbian has a bit of a learning curve, but it's just fine when you know how (IMO).
Well, there you go. Even Berkeley wasn't too famous, though at least I'd heard of it and knew it had a relationship with unix. Actually, I was more aware of AT&T's involvement with unix, since I used that version mostly, iinm - it was running on a GEC 6340 iirc. I even had (perhaps I still do) a VI manual by AT&T.
Actually, perhaps I *had* heard of Stanford, but though it was Stamford, which is a military University in England.
Well, I know that *now*. Maybe I'd been told that before, but it wouldn't have meant anything then. It just doesn't come up much outside the US/bay area.
Here's a tip.
If you need to select English - from an electronic guide or web site, for example - you'll find it's usually represented by a strange flag that has a star-shaped pattern on it. It's still red, white and blue, but not stripy like you'll be used to. I'm not sure why they insist on using a non-standard flag like that, but I hope this helps.
Also, you'll probably find that their spelling is appalling.
> I think it depends on how you act and if you're around ignorant people. I've been out of the US for just over 6 years and I've had a dutch man that just won't talk to me because I'm American and I've had a like 3 conversations with drunks in a pub about Bush that had zero chance of becoming threatening.
You didn't say whether it was the Dutch guy or the drunks that you thought was/were ignorant.
I can tell you - I get enough flack for being American as I traveling around the world, and *I'm not even American*. I should get a T-Shirt or something.
I just moved from China to Finland. When asked if I learned any Chinese, I usually say, "Not much." and claim that the only thing I learned was, "I am not American". That usually gets some good laughs.
That's "Wo bu shi mei guo ren"; pronounced more like "Wo-ar boo sure may gu-o ren" in case any of you American are thinking of venturing outside your own borders. You might find the phrase comes in handy.
BTW, I'm actually not American, but people keep accusing me of it.
I'd never heard of Stanford until I moved to the bay area.
Berkeley, yes - that's where Unix came from...but not Stanford.
oh come on mods! That post was funny! :D
perhaps you have to be european?
Is the test ineffective on humans too?
>lack the ability to differentiate between moral and non-moral actions...this guy is sorta the same, except he can't recognize sarcasm.
He could be USA American. They're famous for not understanding sarcasm.[1]
[1] Once, an American couple came to work at our company and they were given the task of setting ground rules for our office. One of the things they came up with was, "No sarcasm". Their justification was that sarcasm it was personally insulting. Talk about a narrow definition. I suggested they change their 'ground rule' to "don't be personally insulting".
> Well, no.
In that case, there's no point in continuing the discussion.
Hrm. Wikipedia or OED. That's a difficult one...(sarcasm).
I wonder if it's a wider difference, in that the US defines it differently.