Unfortunately, you don't always know it's for the right application...unless you happen to notice.
I always know where the file menu is on other OSes too - it's at the top left of the window I'm using. I don't have to go to a different monitor or move my mouse right the way across the screen to us it either.
Seriously though, I think some companies have done a really good job of 'pretending' to be from places they aren't and so don't rough up the stupidly patriotic. I wonder if there's a standard method for how to do that (and what not to do).
Fine, if you have only one window. In any case, if you do just use one window, you don't have to have the window border there.
Unfortunately, I use many windows, and when I use an Apple computer, I can have only one window visible, and still the menu is for the wrong application - not such a problem if I'm using a mouse and realise, but if I use keyboard accelerators, then I can get into all sorts of trouble before I realise it's not the correct application.
When it *is* the correct menu for the window I want, and I'm, say, using a window on the second monitor, I have to move the mouse all the way to the other monitor just to use the menu.
I used to use a computer with, IIRC, 18 monitors. I can't imagine what a pain in the rear end that would have been if it were running OSX.
It's oft claimed that it's easier to get to a menu when it's at the edge of the screen. That's true, though it is almost always further away (unless you only use one full screen window), and strangely enough, everything else on the screen requires precision mouse movements and because of that, I've become quite good at it - I don't need that kind of help, thanks!
Actually, yes, I liked Taco Bell...I hated most Mexican food, but I liked that (though I'm not sure it's classed as Mexican food).
Justing the whole BSE thing (is it over yet?), I wrote to the fast food places to ask how they sourced their beef. All of them replied saying they used the best cuts bla bla - all, except, Taco Bell, that is, who didn't reply. I figured that was telling.
I meant 'lower' in relation to 'higher'...so 'lower' is actually *always* lower than 'higher'. I didn't mean lower than that in the US - they do indeed have food that is of equally low quality, it's just that it's more difficult to find (with the notable exception of McDonald's, KFC, Wienerschnitzle, etc/etc).
They're both varients of some olde English, yes, but only one is English. The other is American. They can't be the same thing because they're not the same thing. You can't claim English isn't English...
Sorry. Yes, the preference I stated was my own, of course....and, yes, I was brought up on Heinz (in England, mostly). Actually, I was shocked to learn Heinz wasn't an English company; worse, it was American .
BTW, if I can take the opportunity to point out my personal preference for Hamburgers. This review seems to agree with me :
> What you don't seem to realize is you can only have food invented once...and then built on. > > Anything I listed there might have been of influence from elsewhere, but it has a different spin. > If that makes it "bad" in your mind, then fine. Pizza, as we know it, is based on an italian dish, > it's still American. You can say we didn't invent the concept of dough baked with toppings, but neither did the > italians.
Indeed, as my (Chinese) wife keeps reminding me:)
I'm not sure of the validity of your claim though - how far back do you go? Can you really 'invent' something like food? Like I said, how different does it need to be before it becomes original?
I haven't noticed any difference between American Apple Pie and that I know from England. Predictably, it's somewhat more sugary, and a little different 'style' on the top, but it's too simple to be very different. Similarly with pizza - how different can it be?
> So I'd say no citizen in either country can claim that they speak more original English than the other.
Fair enough, but you missed my point (easy, since I ramble); which was, it's an adjective....just like *I* am English (which, as it happens, is also debatable). The fact that the term 'English language' has been shorted into a noun, "English" does not discount that it is an adjective - in my opinion, at least.
I'm no linguistic expert, but I do have an opinion...;)
Well, as I mentioned, I've had the Cadbury in China, and like a lot of stuff, I think at least some of it comes from Australia and is pretty poor. I suspect your talking about the same stuff.
Please don't think it's the same in England...
Reminds me of Ford cars; the Escort particularly. They are made in many places and so the reputation varies significantly. There was a Top Gear survey quite a while ago that had the Ford Escort as the 1 (out of 100) most bought car, but as 100 (out of 100) of the most popular car. In the US, they were consider much more favourably, IIRC, since they were built there (the UK ones were built in Spain).
The most popular cars were Japanese (Toyota Corolla came top, IIRC) - only one or two in the top ten weren't Japanese.
The reason people gave for buying Ford was because they were cheap to fix - many more dealerships and parts were cheap. The reason people gave for prefering Japanese cars was because they didn't have to fix them in the first place.
Don't confuse 'populous' with 'popular' (same goes for MS s/w, IMO). Not that you were, but anyway;)
> There is a lot of american cuisine. > > Spinach Salad
Er, ok. Never had that one, though it sounds to generic that you might even get a (US) patent on it.
> Waldorf Salad
Yeah, fair enough. Can't argue with that one. Quite nice too, actually.
> Apple Pie
Er, I don't think so. I always laugh when I hear people say, "As American as Apple Pie" - ie not American at all.
> Brownies
Ah, yes. I occasionally have one of these and they're not bad at all, especially fresh (don't like Subway's). Actually, I prefer the ones that most Americans consider aweful - the ones out of the vending machine at SGI/Mountain View (I was there some years ago).
> Fudge
I don't think so.
> Crabcake
Hrm. OK
I'm not sure why anyone would claim that. It sounds a bit like the fish cake we had at school - yuk - unless you put lots of Ketchup on, of course.
Which reminds me - yes, Heinz is far and away the best ketchup and it's American, and quite possibly the best thing to come out of the US, IMO. In my fanaticism, I might even go so far as to call it a food, though I would expect plenty to argue with me.
> Garbage Plate (yay Rochester)
Ok...
> TexMex
which has to at least me half Mexican, no? Of course, many of us outside the US would say Mexico is part of America and so is also American, but that's a different argument (United States *OF* America, not United States *IS* America).
> on and on and on...
> wikipedia reference
I followed a few (not all) of those references, and none of them said that the foods were from the US. At best, they said it was disputed...
> Come on, we might be a country full of people from everywhere else, but we have our own style and cuisine.
Not a lot of it, it seems - not in my opinion anyway.
Ah, I've not had 'hash browns' anywhere else, and the US version of the pancake is somewhat unique too (and somewhat yukky too, IMO).
BTW, a lot of food are variants of foods originating elsewhere, so I wonder how much it has to vary before it can be considered a different food...
> Mars is actually noticeably better than either Hershey or Cadbury (the latter IMHO), however not much beats Lindt or Valrhona.
It all depends where the Cadbury is made, IMO. I've had Cadbury in the US and it's aweful. It's way too sugary and very different from Cadbury in England. Actually, Cadbury in China is similarly sugary, which makes me think it's imported from the US.
US chocolate in general is more akin to what we in England call 'cooking chocolate'...
> Though I am not a chocolate freak, I have to assume that there are American chocolatiers who make fine products. Just because most people in America are satistfied with non-gourmet products doesn't mean that those products aren't out there.
Yes, and there is good food in England and yet we are well known for poor quality food.
IMO, it's just that the English aren't as fussy about it and are happy with the (to the USians) lower quality food that is more generally available.
Just because better quality exists doesn't mean you don't deserve the reputation; especially since you hand out similar judgments to others.
Actually, the food in CA, when I lived there, was generally excellent, but I wouldn't call *any* of it American - it was all foreign. What *is* American food anyway? The only thing I can think of is meat loaf (Boston Market), and I'm not sure about that...
Sam Adams stout is pretty good, IIRC. Not a bad replacement for my favourite, Murphy's, which doesn't travel too well (could get it in CA, but it wasn't too consistent, IMO - can't get it at all in Beijing).
Personally, I quite like some of the US pizza, though the toppings are a little bland/boring (notable exceptions being CPK).
I've never been the Italy, so I can't compare, but I prefer pizza in England due to the more varied toppings, particularly the Indian ones (Chicken Tikka comes to mind).
However, reading the gp's post made me think of the attitude people in the US have towards the English language, which is English by definition (not British English, as they claim).
If you want to claim your own language is English, then it's a regional variation (eg English(US)) derived from English, otherwise call it something else eg American English.
The language people use in England is not 'English(UK)', it's 'English'.
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> Cadbury's chocolate --- although very nice
Actually, I don't much care for it - take it or leave it.
I just noticed that the US (and Chinese) version is much worse.
Galaxy is my favourite English chocolate. I think it's English...but these days, who knows, and does it really matter???
Unfortunately, you don't always know it's for the right application...unless you happen to notice.
I always know where the file menu is on other OSes too - it's at the top left of the window I'm using. I don't have to go to a different monitor or move my mouse right the way across the screen to us it either.
> Hellmann's is actually American
Arrrgghhhh. Nooo. Say it ain't so!
Seriously though, I think some companies have done a really good job of 'pretending' to be from places they aren't and so don't rough up the stupidly patriotic. I wonder if there's a standard method for how to do that (and what not to do).
No, I mean unfortunately.
Fine, if you have only one window. In any case, if you do just use one window, you don't have to have the window border there.
Unfortunately, I use many windows, and when I use an Apple computer, I can have only one window visible, and still the menu is for the wrong application - not such a problem if I'm using a mouse and realise, but if I use keyboard accelerators, then I can get into all sorts of trouble before I realise it's not the correct application.
When it *is* the correct menu for the window I want, and I'm, say, using a window on the second monitor, I have to move the mouse all the way to the other monitor just to use the menu.
I used to use a computer with, IIRC, 18 monitors. I can't imagine what a pain in the rear end that would have been if it were running OSX.
It's oft claimed that it's easier to get to a menu when it's at the edge of the screen. That's true, though it is almost always further away (unless you only use one full screen window), and strangely enough, everything else on the screen requires precision mouse movements and because of that, I've become quite good at it - I don't need that kind of help, thanks!
It's brain dead, plain and simple.
(YMMV)
> ...but then scrapped that for the single menu bar at the top of the screen as we have now.
unfortunately.
Actually, yes, I liked Taco Bell...I hated most Mexican food, but I liked that (though I'm not sure it's classed as Mexican food).
Justing the whole BSE thing (is it over yet?), I wrote to the fast food places to ask how they sourced their beef. All of them replied saying they used the best cuts bla bla - all, except, Taco Bell, that is, who didn't reply. I figured that was telling.
Moo.
Oh, sorry. Yes, of course you could claim English isn't English. What I meant to say is that such a claim would be complete bollocks.
There is no "English (the region)". It's called "England". "English" means "from England", not "from English".
Which ever way you write it, it's complete bollocks.
Personally, I prefer Irish beer to English beer. Murphy's is my favourite.
> I wouldn't say it was lower quality
I meant 'lower' in relation to 'higher'...so 'lower' is actually *always* lower than 'higher'. I didn't mean lower than that in the US - they do indeed have food that is of equally low quality, it's just that it's more difficult to find (with the notable exception of McDonald's, KFC, Wienerschnitzle, etc/etc).
> Of course, some of the world's worst chocolatiers are in the US also. We like to be the best at everything, including being the worst.
:D
LOL! I'm going to remember that one
yeah, yeah, I know. I didn't (mean to) claim that Ketchup is American, just that Heinz is American...
They're both varients of some olde English, yes, but only one is English. The other is American. They can't be the same thing because they're not the same thing. You can't claim English isn't English...
Sorry. Yes, the preference I stated was my own, of course. ...and, yes, I was brought up on Heinz (in England, mostly). Actually, I was shocked to learn Heinz wasn't an English company; worse, it was American .
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BTW, if I can take the opportunity to point out my personal preference for Hamburgers. This review seems to agree with me :
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/restaurants-cafes-nationa
Find them here
I had them when I went to Bath University (many years ago) and went back last year, and they were just as good as I remembered.
If you get the chance, I highly recommend them.
> What you don't seem to realize is you can only have food invented once...and then built on.
:)
>
> Anything I listed there might have been of influence from elsewhere, but it has a different spin.
> If that makes it "bad" in your mind, then fine. Pizza, as we know it, is based on an italian dish,
> it's still American. You can say we didn't invent the concept of dough baked with toppings, but neither did the
> italians.
Indeed, as my (Chinese) wife keeps reminding me
I'm not sure of the validity of your claim though - how far back do you go? Can you really 'invent' something like food? Like I said, how different does it need to be before it becomes original?
I haven't noticed any difference between American Apple Pie and that I know from England. Predictably, it's somewhat more sugary, and a little different 'style' on the top, but it's too simple to be very different. Similarly with pizza - how different can it be?
I prefer Galaxy myself, though I've not had Green and Blacks...
:)
I think Lindt reds (milk) is my current favourite though
> So I'd say no citizen in either country can claim that they speak more original English than the other.
;)
Fair enough, but you missed my point (easy, since I ramble); which was, it's an adjective....just like *I* am English (which, as it happens, is also debatable). The fact that the term 'English language' has been shorted into a noun, "English" does not discount that it is an adjective - in my opinion, at least.
I'm no linguistic expert, but I do have an opinion...
> Cadbury in NZ
;)
Well, as I mentioned, I've had the Cadbury in China, and like a lot of stuff, I think at least some of it comes from Australia and is pretty poor. I suspect your talking about the same stuff.
Please don't think it's the same in England...
Reminds me of Ford cars; the Escort particularly. They are made in many places and so the reputation varies significantly. There was a Top Gear survey quite a while ago that had the Ford Escort as the 1 (out of 100) most bought car, but as 100 (out of 100) of the most popular car. In the US, they were consider much more favourably, IIRC, since they were built there (the UK ones were built in Spain).
The most popular cars were Japanese (Toyota Corolla came top, IIRC) - only one or two in the top ten weren't Japanese.
The reason people gave for buying Ford was because they were cheap to fix - many more dealerships and parts were cheap.
The reason people gave for prefering Japanese cars was because they didn't have to fix them in the first place.
Don't confuse 'populous' with 'popular' (same goes for MS s/w, IMO). Not that you were, but anyway
I saw them as just an extension of the range.
Didn't know that Acura/Honda had the same cars with different logos on...
> There is a lot of american cuisine.
>
> Spinach Salad
Er, ok. Never had that one, though it sounds to generic that you might even get a (US) patent on it.
> Waldorf Salad
Yeah, fair enough. Can't argue with that one. Quite nice too, actually.
> Apple Pie
Er, I don't think so. I always laugh when I hear people say, "As American as Apple Pie" - ie not American at all.
> Brownies
Ah, yes. I occasionally have one of these and they're not bad at all, especially fresh (don't like Subway's). Actually, I prefer the ones that most Americans consider aweful - the ones out of the vending machine at SGI/Mountain View (I was there some years ago).
> Fudge
I don't think so.
> Crabcake
Hrm. OK
I'm not sure why anyone would claim that. It sounds a bit like the fish cake we had at school - yuk - unless you put lots of Ketchup on, of course.
Which reminds me - yes, Heinz is far and away the best ketchup and it's American, and quite possibly the best thing to come out of the US, IMO. In my fanaticism, I might even go so far as to call it a food, though I would expect plenty to argue with me.
> Garbage Plate (yay Rochester)
Ok...
> TexMex
which has to at least me half Mexican, no? Of course, many of us outside the US would say Mexico is part of America and so is also American, but that's a different argument (United States *OF* America, not United States *IS* America).
> on and on and on...
> wikipedia reference
I followed a few (not all) of those references, and none of them said that the foods were from the US. At best, they said it was disputed...
> Come on, we might be a country full of people from everywhere else, but we have our own style and cuisine.
Not a lot of it, it seems - not in my opinion anyway.
Ah, I've not had 'hash browns' anywhere else, and the US version of the pancake is somewhat unique too (and somewhat yukky too, IMO).
BTW, a lot of food are variants of foods originating elsewhere, so I wonder how much it has to vary before it can be considered a different food...
> Mars is actually noticeably better than either Hershey or Cadbury (the latter IMHO), however not much beats Lindt or Valrhona.
It all depends where the Cadbury is made, IMO. I've had Cadbury in the US and it's aweful. It's way too sugary and very different from Cadbury in England. Actually, Cadbury in China is similarly sugary, which makes me think it's imported from the US.
US chocolate in general is more akin to what we in England call 'cooking chocolate'...
> Though I am not a chocolate freak, I have to assume that there are American chocolatiers who make fine products. Just because most people in America are satistfied with non-gourmet products doesn't mean that those products aren't out there.
Yes, and there is good food in England and yet we are well known for poor quality food.
IMO, it's just that the English aren't as fussy about it and are happy with the (to the USians) lower quality food that is more generally available.
Just because better quality exists doesn't mean you don't deserve the reputation; especially since you hand out similar judgments to others.
Actually, the food in CA, when I lived there, was generally excellent, but I wouldn't call *any* of it American - it was all foreign. What *is* American food anyway? The only thing I can think of is meat loaf (Boston Market), and I'm not sure about that...
Sam Adams stout is pretty good, IIRC. Not a bad replacement for my favourite, Murphy's, which doesn't travel too well (could get it in CA, but it wasn't too consistent, IMO - can't get it at all in Beijing).
Personally, I quite like some of the US pizza, though the toppings are a little bland/boring (notable exceptions being CPK).
I've never been the Italy, so I can't compare, but I prefer pizza in England due to the more varied toppings, particularly the Indian ones (Chicken Tikka comes to mind).
However, reading the gp's post made me think of the attitude people in the US have towards the English language, which is English by definition (not British English, as they claim).
If you want to claim your own language is English, then it's a regional variation (eg English(US)) derived from English, otherwise call it something else eg American English.
The language people use in England is not 'English(UK)', it's 'English'.
> You could call it that but you'd have to start calling Lexus a rebranded Toyota.
Well, IMO, that is exactly what they are.
The example that comes to mind is Acura (specifically the NSX) - it's not called that in some countries and it is simply Honda (NSX).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura
I don't see why Lexus should be any different...
I was under the impression that some/many US companies supported the Nazi party prior and even during WWII.