My main point would be that I can make MS Windows work the way I want (though I've never tried, I've been reliably informed it can be done), but Apple don't allow that.
I don't know why, but, on MS Windows, I've not had the trouble of having a single window visible that doesn't have focus. Perhaps it is possible, but I've not seen it.
Scratch that - it is possible in MS Windows with the default behaviour, since I just did it. Perhaps that isn't so smart either, but at least it can be changed (so I'm told).
That is, in essence, what is being claimed when people say 'British English' or 'English(UK)'.
It is claiming that the English spoken in English is just some little used varient of the language.
Yes, perhaps this argument is a little disjointed now (it is too difficult to follow all the threads). I think I've been making this point for a while now - perhaps in a different thread. Sorry.
> How is the Mac different than any other system here?
It's not. What is different is that you can have one window potentially taking up the entire screen that still doesn't have focus. If you don't notice the app name on the top left being wrong, you're entering stuff into the wrong window.
> I think that a single menu bar makes sense if you have a small screen. It saves screen real-estate and you will always know where to find the menu bar.
Agreed.
> But.. for a larger screen (17" and up), I think it makes more sense to have the menu bar attached to the window in question so you don't have to move the pointer so far.
Agreed.
> But then.. many people maximize all their windows anyway, removing the benefits of either approach.
Agreed....but some people don't maximuze their windows 'anyway'. Linux (and even Microsoft, I'm told) can make a window system where it works either way, so why can't Apple?
> It sounds like you have chosen to close your mind to different ideas. That is sad.
Wow. You're good at that. "It sounds like..." then continuing as if it's in fact that case when you don't know any different. It would be sad if I had chosen to close my mind, but I haven't. I'm just facing the facts as they are.
I'm not sure what "Purpostly" means, but still, I'm not you. I have been working this way for a long time. I prefer it. I have used OS X for over 4 years (TiBook), and I find it *much* worse to use than other systems.
Yes, I still use them, and, yes, I still find that I have a preference. It's not that I'm incapable.
No, we're not all the same, no matter what Apple (and you, it seems) think.
> Cadbury made in the UK and shippedto the US is crap....
I didn't know they did that. Oh, do you mean the ones that are in the 'British stores'? I guess it might not travel too well, but it ain't all that good in the UK, it's just worse in the US.
I'm not saying there are different standards, just that they're basically the same thing.
Although, I'll admit Chicago style is different to what I know as New York style. I prefer the former, but the latter isn't too bad either. I think NY style is easier to do badly though.
Right, I know. I'm fairly sure I'd hate working there too, though I don't actually work there, so I don't know for sure. I don't care to work for an advertising company anyway.
Sure. That's very reasonable of you to have that point of view.
"Humer"? First time I've seen *that* spelling...anywhere....and yet I know what you mean.
In any case, it doesn't change the fact that the English language is English. You can claim what the US speak is also English (or not), but that doesn't mean that the English now speak 'English(UK)', or British English for that matter.
> Heck One day I could be using Windows, the Next day I am on my Mac, the day after I am working on Unix or Linux then the other day I am doing stuff in OpenVMS. or a mix of all of them in one day.
Wow. I've been using one system for a long time (4Dwm) and so my muscles are trained to work a certain way. On Linux, I can change the way it works to remove the most difficult differences. In MS Windows too, I can do that....but on OS X...oooohhh no....Apple know better and I have to do it their way. I'm sorry, but we're *not* all the same, and saying 'Get over it' doesn't help at all.
> keyboard shortcuts to access the menu, so you could try those.
Yes, but as I said, it is easy (for me, at least) to think I have the focus of one window (because it's the only one visible, for example), and yet I really have the focus of some invisible window - in which case, keyboard short cuts screw you up pretty badly.
Of course, using the mouse fixes that, since it takes the first click away to change the window focus... but that's just as annoying, since I now have to click twice to change windows, even when it's darned obvious what I really want to do.
> Go to Japan/China and look at what they put on it there.;)
I'm already in China, and I've seen many pizzas here - I'm not sure what you mean. They don't tend to put anything particularly special on them that I've noticed.
> For example, chicago deep dish pizza might as well be a diffent product than italy's pizzas with the paper-thin crust.
Yeah, maybe, and I prefer the Chicago style too:)
Actually, they do some pretty good ones of that here, with sausage in the crust at the edge. Not bad at all.
Unfortunately, their toppings can be a little sweet; kind of like their bread here. I've given up trying to find a reliable source of nice bread - it all tastes like cake to me.
In CA, there were some lovely loaves; one from (IIRC) Santa Cruz, IIRC, which had several types of grain, was delicious. There were plenty I didn't like too, but at least there was some I did like.
Although it probably originated in the UK, it looks like it's now American, produced by the Mars corp., which I don't mind since it's a privately owned company.
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> (Anyone who can turn down five invitations by three presidents to be white house chef is worth looking into, natch.)
Sounds like my kind of person!
thanks. I'll take a look.
You're wrong.
> I had assumed you didn't use focus follows mouse, since you said "since it takes the first click away to change the window focus ...".
I didn't know there was such a thing on OS X...I use it on Gnome/KDE, of course.
My main point would be that I can make MS Windows work the way I want (though I've never tried, I've been reliably informed it can be done), but Apple don't allow that.
I don't know why, but, on MS Windows, I've not had the trouble of having a single window visible that doesn't have focus. Perhaps it is possible, but I've not seen it.
Scratch that - it is possible in MS Windows with the default behaviour, since I just did it. Perhaps that isn't so smart either, but at least it can be changed (so I'm told).
That is, in essence, what is being claimed when people say 'British English' or 'English(UK)'.
It is claiming that the English spoken in English is just some little used varient of the language.
Yes, perhaps this argument is a little disjointed now (it is too difficult to follow all the threads). I think I've been making this point for a while now - perhaps in a different thread. Sorry.
> and the languages spoken in USA and England are both variants of english.
No. The language(s) spoken in England are English, and the one spoken in the USA is a varient of English.
> English does not belong to the UK
Right. I *does* belong to the English - by *definition*.
> You've seriously never had a pizza with strawberry jam on it?
Good Lord; absolutely not. It sounds aweful.
I'm in Beijing.
> How is the Mac different than any other system here?
It's not. What is different is that you can have one window potentially taking up the entire screen that still doesn't have focus. If you don't notice the app name on the top left being wrong, you're entering stuff into the wrong window.
> We use a lot more rhubarb than you do, and we involve lemon and orange zest, cinnamon, coriander and celery seed.
Wow. That does sound good. I note that we actually have a separate dish called Rhubarb pie. I don't think we use any in our Apple pie.
> It probably helped that most of Webster's attempted changes fell through.
Any references? I've been curious about their motives...
> That's a pretty poor criticism of MacOS considering that the same is true in Windows, KDE, and Gnome.
What's true of all those 3 is that I can make them focus follow mouse. Not so for OSX.
> Call me when you figure out how to implement "Focus follows thought". I'll be your first customer.
Not necessary. Moving the mouse is enough. It's called focus follows mouse.
> I think that a single menu bar makes sense if you have a small screen. It saves screen real-estate and you will always know where to find the menu bar.
...but some people don't maximuze their windows 'anyway'. Linux (and even Microsoft, I'm told) can make a window system where it works either way, so why can't Apple?
Agreed.
> But.. for a larger screen (17" and up), I think it makes more sense to have the menu bar attached to the window in question so you don't have to move the pointer so far.
Agreed.
> But then.. many people maximize all their windows anyway, removing the benefits of either approach.
Agreed.
> It sounds like you have chosen to close your mind to different ideas. That is sad.
Wow. You're good at that. "It sounds like..." then continuing as if it's in fact that case when you don't know any different. It would be sad if I had chosen to close my mind, but I haven't. I'm just facing the facts as they are.
I'm not sure what "Purpostly" means, but still, I'm not you. I have been working this way for a long time. I prefer it. I have used OS X for over 4 years (TiBook), and I find it *much* worse to use than other systems.
Yes, I still use them, and, yes, I still find that I have a preference. It's not that I'm incapable.
No, we're not all the same, no matter what Apple (and you, it seems) think.
> Cadbury made in the UK and shippedto the US is crap....
I didn't know they did that. Oh, do you mean the ones that are in the 'British stores'? I guess it might not travel too well, but it ain't all that good in the UK, it's just worse in the US.
you really think I didn't know that?
I'm not saying there are different standards, just that they're basically the same thing.
Although, I'll admit Chicago style is different to what I know as New York style. I prefer the former, but the latter isn't too bad either. I think NY style is easier to do badly though.
Right, I know. I'm fairly sure I'd hate working there too, though I don't actually work there, so I don't know for sure. I don't care to work for an advertising company anyway.
Bitter? Me? Noooo.
> Wait.
OK...
> You're claiming that there is a single approved version of English (the Queen's English, I suppose) spoken in England?
No, I'm not.
> You certainly seem to be implying such.
I don't see that.
I'm just saying that you can't claim that the English don't speak English, which is often the case (by US teachers, primarily, in my experience).
Sure. That's very reasonable of you to have that point of view.
...and yet I know what you mean.
"Humer"? First time I've seen *that* spelling...anywhere.
In any case, it doesn't change the fact that the English language is English. You can claim what the US speak is also English (or not), but that doesn't mean that the English now speak 'English(UK)', or British English for that matter.
> Heck One day I could be using Windows, the Next day I am on my Mac, the day after I am working on Unix or Linux then the other day I am doing stuff in OpenVMS. or a mix of all of them in one day.
...but on OS X...oooohhh no....Apple know better and I have to do it their way. I'm sorry, but we're *not* all the same, and saying 'Get over it' doesn't help at all.
Wow. I've been using one system for a long time (4Dwm) and so my muscles are trained to work a certain way. On Linux, I can change the way it works to remove the most difficult differences. In MS Windows too, I can do that.
> keyboard shortcuts to access the menu, so you could try those.
... but that's just as annoying, since I now have to click twice to change windows, even when it's darned obvious what I really want to do.
Yes, but as I said, it is easy (for me, at least) to think I have the focus of one window (because it's the only one visible, for example), and yet I really have the focus of some invisible window - in which case, keyboard short cuts screw you up pretty badly.
Of course, using the mouse fixes that, since it takes the first click away to change the window focus
> Go to Japan/China and look at what they put on it there. ;)
:)
I'm already in China, and I've seen many pizzas here - I'm not sure what you mean. They don't tend to put anything particularly special on them that I've noticed.
> For example, chicago deep dish pizza might as well be a diffent product than italy's pizzas with the paper-thin crust.
Yeah, maybe, and I prefer the Chicago style too
Actually, they do some pretty good ones of that here, with sausage in the crust at the edge. Not bad at all.
Unfortunately, their toppings can be a little sweet; kind of like their bread here. I've given up trying to find a reliable source of nice bread - it all tastes like cake to me.
In CA, there were some lovely loaves; one from (IIRC) Santa Cruz, IIRC, which had several types of grain, was delicious. There were plenty I didn't like too, but at least there was some I did like.
Re: galaxy :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_(chocolate)
Although it probably originated in the UK, it looks like it's now American, produced by the Mars corp., which I don't mind since it's a privately owned company.
So, another one bites the dust. Great.