The security issues isn't the real problem here, all software has them from time to time.
Oh blow me. Can you imagine the shitstorm of a comment thread that would result from this exact same thing being the result of MS's doing? The massive gaping security hole *is* a big deal, it is not made less so just because Apple did it and not MS.
And what the hell are you talking about with MS giving guidelines? You mean like, MS should give you guidelines on what you should and should not do with your PC? Dude, seriously, where the hell did you come up with your ideas?
They would, muttering some excuse about the need to prepare students for the paperless office. It's like how they discourage free expression in preparing students for the thoughtless career.
It should also be about learning as much as you can, so the massive social investment in educating you can pay off when you contribute to the wider community. If you're more interested in getting laid, getting drunk, and getting away with doing the least possible, then GTF out of the way so that someone who is not a societal write off with a bad case of intellectual myopia can have the college spot that you don't seem to care about.
Yes, I am. Granted, to get a large scale operation running requires more skill with PG than it does with MySQL, but if you're running a large scale operation and you're short on skills, a complex replication solution is the least of your worries.
Perhaps you need it written in red or something: THE MAIL ADMINS DIDN'T SUFFER. THEIR USERS DID.
Bloody hell, why are there so many idiots who just can't understand this? Perhaps that's why Americans are so nonchalant about blowing up a whole country just to get one tinpot dictator out of power. Yes, lets fuck over 1,000 email users just because the administrator of their ISP's mail server is slack. There are better ways to notify them, this was just the easiest and stupidest. Doing the easiest and stupidest thing seems to be in fashion these days.
While I agree with Jim's sentiments being an Open Source advocate and all, I think Red Hat has no right to attempt to coax or coerce companies into giving away code. If OSS is the future, then it will happen, with or without Jim's little tantrum.
It is ridiculous for a CEO to attempt to paint his company as some kind of inspired model upon which other companies should remodel themselves. Aside from being futile, attempting to turn the Old Establishment around does nothing but hurt the nascent organisations that will make up the New Establishment by casting doubt on their methods and making them look like they are non-viable without the support of the Old Establishment. I can see Ballamer right now, in a room full of beaureaucrats saying "See? OSS is all about getting handouts to survive." Furthermore, it is brining wolves in amongst the lambs.
If Jim wants to make a difference, he should fund new development from emerging pools, like Google with the GSoC (not that I'm a Google fan, but that's another story), or IBM with their paid employee time contributions, or EnterpriseDB with their backports to the PostgreSQL team or Sun with their (somewhat clumsy) contributions to the OSS community. There are plenty of companies already doing what he says, he should be happy for that and encourage those already willing rather than attempting to project an agenda onto those it does not suit.
Having a whine that companies in the Old Establishment should be putting free money into his playpen is a naieve, futile and potentially harmful thing for Jim to be doing. It'd be better all round if he put his money where his mouth is rather than asking others to put their money where his mouth is.
why is MySQL still that default database for hosted websites, and why do most open source web applications that I've looked at recommend a LAMP/WAMP stack?
Inertia.
Incidentally, you do know that Slashdot runs on MySQL don't you?
Yes, which is why they need to do such a large number of crazy voodoo tricks to scale.
I completely agree with you, the Kerberos, Java and CSS arguments grate against my intellectual honesty sensors too.
That being said, I don't think people want ODF to be a magic bullet, and everyone knows that ODF is feature thin compared to OOXML. However, I think after decades of shifting vendor to vendor as corporate interests take turns in the gang-raping that has been the software industry for as long as I can remember, people have realised that open standards are better than extra features, provided that the basics are covered. That, to me sums up the ODF vs OOXML debate; format stability vs edge case features.
Why is it that when I pay out on stupid people I always get modded flamebait or troll? 'Tis not fair I tells you! I want to be rude, arrogant and self-righteous and get modded up for it too!
First, I'm not aware of any publicly owned spam registrars. Care to enlighten me?
I was not saying that private ones should be used instead, rather that these registrars are a bad idea.
Second, how is a publicly owned (e.g. stock exchange, or do you mean run by the government of a country chosen at random (or heaven forefend the UN)) service less likely to go belly up? There have been any number of companies delisted from the stock exchange... As far as government services, that's a little touchy, at least in the good old U.S. of A. Kind of a 1st amendment issue.
Again, not my point. My point is that DNSBLs are a bad idea, period.
Third, how do you suggest a company providing a service like this behave as it is going out of business? Keep in mind that a four letter domain name is quite valuable. Would you expect the original company to continue to forever pay the extra bandwidth costs due to 'dumb mail admins' for a DNS service that they don't use, or use for another purpose? How about the purchaser of the domain if/when it sold? Do they have a responsibility to continue to provide the false negatives? Why?
I think you've totally missed my point. Again, I'm saying that this whole incident is a good example of why centralised spam registries are a bad idea. The potential for collateral danage is too great if, for whatever reason, a service fails.
Had I been in ORDB's boots, I'd say the responsibilty would be to whois the IP from requesting clients and automate a script to email the admin contact telling them of the issue. After some time (say about now, instead of replying with 100% false positives), I'd remove the DNS entry on the domain and take the machines off the IPs, so that any client software using it registers a definite error that cannot be ignored under any but the most egregiously bad software.
Fourth, arguably false negatives are as bad as false positives. If a mail admin has layered another spam detection method on top of ORDB because ORDB wasn't working well enough (because it was off) and ignored the malfunctioning service, are they still not irresponsible? If they didn't, and their customers were being bombarded by spam for over a year, are they still responsible administrators, with users who are being terribly hurt?
Yes, the mail admins are irresponsible. Why hurt the users? If you open up a public service, IMHO you have a responsibility to follow up on it, not just drop it when you get bored or nobody pays you whatever you want. If you can't handle this scenario, then don't do it in the first place. Once again, this is why I think DNSBLs are a bad idea, period. It's a risk that a) emails will be blocked from legit sources because the DNSBL operators get a power-high and start blocking entire domains and netblocks for even the smallest infractions (which has a long history of happening) and b) this group of well-meaning basement nerds will go belly up when they realize that taking on a public responsibility is a thankless task that requires actual work.
Re terrorism, it was an obvious snide remark, you're reading too much into it. I'm not implying DNSBL one day, blowing up hotels the next.
No, it's nothing like illegally tapping into someone else's resources, and you're an idiot for a) thinking myanalogy is off and b) coming up with one of your own that is infinitely farther off.
When a private entity opens up its doors to use by the general public, it becomes, effectively, a utility, and takes on many more responsibilities. This is an established legal principle, and right it is too. If you want to take on a public role, then you sure as hell better be ready to take on the responsibilities that go with it. Otherwise, stay home.
MySQL is no longer easier to use than PostgreSQL. PG is now availabe for Windows with a nice packaged msi installer. It is as easy or easier to install under Linux/BSD/other POSIX, and is (if you assume the same level of experience with both system) far easier to administer.
Not only that, MySQL's community consists of many newbies, which makes getting help on complex issues difficult. PG on the other hand has a vibrant community consisting of highly skilled DBAs and the PG core developers themselves. I've often had help from the PG core dev team members. Finding similarly skilled MySQL help is like trying to find Dodos in Manhattan.
I appreciate the ideas in your response, but I cannot even concede as far as your position. Let me ask you this: Would you be happy with somebody cutting the electricity to your house for a week to get you to complain to your power company about the fact that your neighbourhood has not yet been updated to use the latest most efficient transformers?
As much as we can rail against stupid mail admins, I think it would not be remiss of us to remember that the ultimate sufferers are end users who probably have no idea what their mail server administrator is doing. In other words, this hurts the people who *rely* on mail administrators, not the mail administrators. For that reason, I think ORDB is doing the wrong thing. This is yet another reason why privately owned spam registrars like ORDB are a bad idea; they just do not understand the either the gravity of what they are doing, nor do they have the responsibility to take it seriously. If you are doing something on such a large scale, it is inevitable that there will always be stragglers. Don't get all indignant about how "dumb mail admins" should know better unless you know that all your utility providers abide by the latest best industry practices in their respective fields.
On a side note, given that this move by ORDB specifically targets people other than those who they want to change the behaviour of in an attempt to get those innocent bystanders to affect change upon the real people they want to affect, this actually meets the FBI's definition of terrorism.
You mean, Joe The Concerned Neighbour who managed to rig up a supersensitive ionic induction Geiger counter in his spare time between getting home from work and chugging beers? Yea, I hate that type.
"I think this is wrong." Then you think wrong. How you "feel" about the temperature is not relevant to the actual temperature. Furthermore, my point was that the body generates huge amounts of heat, the use of which will not affect the body adversely.
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Oh blow me. Can you imagine the shitstorm of a comment thread that would result from this exact same thing being the result of MS's doing? The massive gaping security hole *is* a big deal, it is not made less so just because Apple did it and not MS.
And what the hell are you talking about with MS giving guidelines? You mean like, MS should give you guidelines on what you should and should not do with your PC? Dude, seriously, where the hell did you come up with your ideas?
They would, muttering some excuse about the need to prepare students for the paperless office. It's like how they discourage free expression in preparing students for the thoughtless career.
Perhaps this will interest you:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w10.html
It kind of highlights what you say nicely.
It should also be about learning as much as you can, so the massive social investment in educating you can pay off when you contribute to the wider community. If you're more interested in getting laid, getting drunk, and getting away with doing the least possible, then GTF out of the way so that someone who is not a societal write off with a bad case of intellectual myopia can have the college spot that you don't seem to care about.
You've obviously never dropped a baseball bat from an aircraft. I did. Oops.
Yes, I am. Granted, to get a large scale operation running requires more skill with PG than it does with MySQL, but if you're running a large scale operation and you're short on skills, a complex replication solution is the least of your worries.
Perhaps you need it written in red or something: THE MAIL ADMINS DIDN'T SUFFER. THEIR USERS DID.
Bloody hell, why are there so many idiots who just can't understand this? Perhaps that's why Americans are so nonchalant about blowing up a whole country just to get one tinpot dictator out of power. Yes, lets fuck over 1,000 email users just because the administrator of their ISP's mail server is slack. There are better ways to notify them, this was just the easiest and stupidest. Doing the easiest and stupidest thing seems to be in fashion these days.
You cannot steal what I am willing to give to you for free.
My point stands even if Jim had said "pretty please with a cherry on top" while wearing a pink hoola skirt.
While I agree with Jim's sentiments being an Open Source advocate and all, I think Red Hat has no right to attempt to coax or coerce companies into giving away code. If OSS is the future, then it will happen, with or without Jim's little tantrum.
It is ridiculous for a CEO to attempt to paint his company as some kind of inspired model upon which other companies should remodel themselves. Aside from being futile, attempting to turn the Old Establishment around does nothing but hurt the nascent organisations that will make up the New Establishment by casting doubt on their methods and making them look like they are non-viable without the support of the Old Establishment. I can see Ballamer right now, in a room full of beaureaucrats saying "See? OSS is all about getting handouts to survive." Furthermore, it is brining wolves in amongst the lambs.
If Jim wants to make a difference, he should fund new development from emerging pools, like Google with the GSoC (not that I'm a Google fan, but that's another story), or IBM with their paid employee time contributions, or EnterpriseDB with their backports to the PostgreSQL team or Sun with their (somewhat clumsy) contributions to the OSS community. There are plenty of companies already doing what he says, he should be happy for that and encourage those already willing rather than attempting to project an agenda onto those it does not suit.
Having a whine that companies in the Old Establishment should be putting free money into his playpen is a naieve, futile and potentially harmful thing for Jim to be doing. It'd be better all round if he put his money where his mouth is rather than asking others to put their money where his mouth is.
You sir, just gave me the BEST idea for what to put on my "What I want for Christmas" list.
Inertia.
Yes, which is why they need to do such a large number of crazy voodoo tricks to scale.
I completely agree with you, the Kerberos, Java and CSS arguments grate against my intellectual honesty sensors too.
That being said, I don't think people want ODF to be a magic bullet, and everyone knows that ODF is feature thin compared to OOXML. However, I think after decades of shifting vendor to vendor as corporate interests take turns in the gang-raping that has been the software industry for as long as I can remember, people have realised that open standards are better than extra features, provided that the basics are covered. That, to me sums up the ODF vs OOXML debate; format stability vs edge case features.
Why is it that when I pay out on stupid people I always get modded flamebait or troll? 'Tis not fair I tells you! I want to be rude, arrogant and self-righteous and get modded up for it too!
*cries*
I was not saying that private ones should be used instead, rather that these registrars are a bad idea.
Again, not my point. My point is that DNSBLs are a bad idea, period.
I think you've totally missed my point. Again, I'm saying that this whole incident is a good example of why centralised spam registries are a bad idea. The potential for collateral danage is too great if, for whatever reason, a service fails.
Had I been in ORDB's boots, I'd say the responsibilty would be to whois the IP from requesting clients and automate a script to email the admin contact telling them of the issue. After some time (say about now, instead of replying with 100% false positives), I'd remove the DNS entry on the domain and take the machines off the IPs, so that any client software using it registers a definite error that cannot be ignored under any but the most egregiously bad software.
Yes, the mail admins are irresponsible. Why hurt the users? If you open up a public service, IMHO you have a responsibility to follow up on it, not just drop it when you get bored or nobody pays you whatever you want. If you can't handle this scenario, then don't do it in the first place. Once again, this is why I think DNSBLs are a bad idea, period. It's a risk that a) emails will be blocked from legit sources because the DNSBL operators get a power-high and start blocking entire domains and netblocks for even the smallest infractions (which has a long history of happening) and b) this group of well-meaning basement nerds will go belly up when they realize that taking on a public responsibility is a thankless task that requires actual work.
Re terrorism, it was an obvious snide remark, you're reading too much into it. I'm not implying DNSBL one day, blowing up hotels the next.
No, it's nothing like illegally tapping into someone else's resources, and you're an idiot for a) thinking myanalogy is off and b) coming up with one of your own that is infinitely farther off.
When a private entity opens up its doors to use by the general public, it becomes, effectively, a utility, and takes on many more responsibilities. This is an established legal principle, and right it is too. If you want to take on a public role, then you sure as hell better be ready to take on the responsibilities that go with it. Otherwise, stay home.
Neither, both car owners have to sue the local government. It's the next step in American Evolution!
2002 called. It wants its MySQList retort back.
MySQL is no longer easier to use than PostgreSQL. PG is now availabe for Windows with a nice packaged msi installer. It is as easy or easier to install under Linux/BSD/other POSIX, and is (if you assume the same level of experience with both system) far easier to administer.
Not only that, MySQL's community consists of many newbies, which makes getting help on complex issues difficult. PG on the other hand has a vibrant community consisting of highly skilled DBAs and the PG core developers themselves. I've often had help from the PG core dev team members. Finding similarly skilled MySQL help is like trying to find Dodos in Manhattan.
I appreciate the ideas in your response, but I cannot even concede as far as your position. Let me ask you this: Would you be happy with somebody cutting the electricity to your house for a week to get you to complain to your power company about the fact that your neighbourhood has not yet been updated to use the latest most efficient transformers?
As much as we can rail against stupid mail admins, I think it would not be remiss of us to remember that the ultimate sufferers are end users who probably have no idea what their mail server administrator is doing. In other words, this hurts the people who *rely* on mail administrators, not the mail administrators. For that reason, I think ORDB is doing the wrong thing. This is yet another reason why privately owned spam registrars like ORDB are a bad idea; they just do not understand the either the gravity of what they are doing, nor do they have the responsibility to take it seriously. If you are doing something on such a large scale, it is inevitable that there will always be stragglers. Don't get all indignant about how "dumb mail admins" should know better unless you know that all your utility providers abide by the latest best industry practices in their respective fields.
On a side note, given that this move by ORDB specifically targets people other than those who they want to change the behaviour of in an attempt to get those innocent bystanders to affect change upon the real people they want to affect, this actually meets the FBI's definition of terrorism.
You mean, Joe The Concerned Neighbour who managed to rig up a supersensitive ionic induction Geiger counter in his spare time between getting home from work and chugging beers? Yea, I hate that type.
"Tribe" is the wrong word. I'd use either "rabble", "mob" or perhaps "bunch of loonies who escaped from the asylum island by impersonating garbage".
"I think this is wrong."
Then you think wrong. How you "feel" about the temperature is not relevant to the actual temperature. Furthermore, my point was that the body generates huge amounts of heat, the use of which will not affect the body adversely.
What, you mean like the bloodstream, which supplied readily combustible sugar and carries away the products of glucose reactions?
Light pollution causes cancer? Right, and noise pollution reduces the SNR on my ADSL connection.