I dont think thats worse because the metro ui is not bad for what it is designed to do. The real problem is the apps. Its ALL about the apps. We've been saying it about linux for years. If there are no apps, a great OS really isnt that great.
Windows 8 is a great OS, but the bold and daring new portion of it has yet to be full filled due to a terribly designed app store, and poor follow through, and we know this is microsoft's biggest problem historically. They just dont follow through with good ideas.
The OS is better than windows 7 in every way.... I even like that the start menu is gone because I only ever used it to launch apps. NOW i pin them to the taskbar like i should have been doing all along.
Define perfectly good. It sounds like you mean old computers because you cant buy new computers with xp on it. I would never define old computers as perfectly good. Thats why my old Dual Pentium pro with 512megs is sitting in a landfill:) Well actually i saved the CPUs for the memories. Ah 3dsmax 1 and NT351. the good ole days, I never want to revisit:)
Seriously though, I know XP computers are still out there but I havent run XP on a computer in sometime and dont plan to ever again. Its just old. It was good, but I'd run windows 7 or 8 if i had a choice between Windows 7, 8, and XP. Frankly I would choose 8. Its great. I was really scared to give it a shot on my older quadcore because i had just installed win7 fresh on an SSD which was all setup nice and perfect. I even ran the windows upgrade processs.. which I NEVER do because of how much of a mess it usually makes... but this upgrade was seamless, and windows 8 is a performer.
Theres work to be done for MS though, but its more so in the experience of their vision of the app store, and apps. right now its vast empty unfullfilled idea. A poor experience, but it will improve if MS gets behind it. And we all know Microsoft has always fucked up good ideas by not getting behind them, and half assing software features. Windows 8 as an OS is great. The app store, and apps etc... well we will see how that developes but I cant say a bad thing about 8 vs 7.
Fuck you for trying to discredit my opinion. FUCK YOU. who are you to fucking say whos opinion is valid or not.
Just try the OS. If you've tried windows 7 and you feel 7 was the best windows OS... then obviously its possible that MS could have made an even better improved windows right?
Valve and linux is laughable. Gabe is all butt hurt because he doesnt want to make a modern ui version of Steam Store. Boohoo. Gabe somehow managed to present the idea that he would be squeezed out of windows gaming all together due to windows 8.. its nonsense.
Steam could easily port its store in a modern ui app, and even launch games from it.
Windows 8 is the same thing as Windows 7, but better.
Linux is like starting in the dark ages of computers.
Its 2012, no one wants to run XP with IE9. I'm telling you, Windows 8 is so much better than XP. Vista was garbage. Windows 7 was the best windows OS to date... until Windows 8.
However you feel about how they merged mobile and desktop into one OS... you cant deny that it is the direction we all must go. Windows 8 has succeeded at doing it, and its time to give Microsoft a little credit for their hard work. There is still work to be done in the app store, and apps department but the OS is phenomenal.
Btw.. IE10 is better than Chrome and firefox in terms of GPU acceleration and performance. IE9 was kind of a let down, but IE10 is actually a really good performer. I'd use it all the time if it had a real adblock addon that could block flash ads in videos like youtube, twitch.tv etc.
IE10 scrolls so smoothly. I've compared chrome to IE10, and chrome chokes on pages with heavy content compared to IE10. I've lost a lot of respect for Chrome. Firefox is a far better product than Chrome. IE10 amazing as it is to hear it come out of my mouth... is a better performer than both of them.
I have actually, and i found linux to be extremely frustrating. Running into dependency issues right and left is what annoyed the hell out of me, that and it just wasnt as good of an experience. Poor quality applications, very thin selection of good programs. Everything was counter culture, which i'm all for, but if you cant use a lot of mainstream applications/services than whats the point of linux on the desktop?
everyone needs faster hardware each year.... handhelds cant provide the same horse power and never will.
But you're right, they do more than the calculator watches of the 80s... far more, and that is often enough for casual things, but there will always be an increase in cpu demand, gpu demand, nice large screens to sit in front of etc.
Tablets and mobile devices are good for on the go, but they are not something you can really melt into like a workstation.
[b][i] They could have separated the UI from the OS, and provided Metro for those platforms where it makes sense, and also provided the tried-and-true UI for the desktop. [/b][/i]
But why do that when you can include them both? In a sense you're saying "if its a mobile device, it cant be a desktop device and if its desktop device it cant be a mobile device" While it may be true that a desktop device doesnt really need a mobile ui layer, the reverse isnt true. If i can take photoshop CS6 around on a tablet with a pressure sensitive pen, all while still using the same OS I use on a workstation to do the same work for game developement, feature film special fx and photography, then hell... I want that device! Thats a great device. So yes, integrating the desktop with mobile is a great idea, because todays mobile hardware is good enough to run a real workstation OS, and not just some simple palm os, or ios.
In other words, do you want a holodeck or 3d glasses? If we its possible, we ALWAYS go with holodeck.:) Well windows 8 is proof that is possible to do put a workstation OS on a mobile touch and or pen based device while still retaining full laptop like functionality on the go. That is a GREAT thing in my eyes.
I agree. I think windows 8 is a VERY good OS. People can be overly critical of MS, and they've often deserved it, but in this case they do not. I've been using computers since early apple, c64s, atari computers etc all the way up to windows 8. No one has attempted to do what Microsoft has done with 8, and considering that 8 is as good as it is... thats a huge success.
Mixing touch based AND tablet pen based interfaces with a full workstation quality desktop OS that has been the standard for generations.... thats pretty impressive in my book.
I was a skeptic, but I knew it was a brilliant and bold idea and if executed properly, hell it would be revolutionary. I think Microsoft has hit their mark, or close to it. The seemless intergration, the fast, snappy jumping in and out of desktop and "modern ui", the performance improvements over windows 7 etc... it all came together very well.
The parts that are unknown are the app store, the apps, and what will happen... but Microsoft did succeed in making an OS that succesfully intergrated touch input, pen input and traditional input on multiple devices all with a workstation quality os. Thats impressive. People need to give them a little room here. They're breaking new ground and thye've done it extremely well considering.
There is still much to be done, but the tech is there, and they have a strong foundation in windows 8. The rest is really up to how microsoft developes the app store further, and the apps themselves. Can MS deliver first party apps that really WOW the world? Or will they just move on to windows 9, and hope the rest of the industry finishes the job for MS?
All i know is, Apple doesnt let the rest of the industry finish the job. Thats why Apple is very in demand, because apple tries to complete the user experience, where as Microsoft has often tried to provide examples of underdeveloped software as guidelines for others, and that just isnt enough. MS needs to get behind what they do 1000% and provide REAL functionality and solid user experiences with respect to their app store and apps.
If they dont... Apple will, you know they are hard at work already.
I'm using it with a mouse on a workstation and still find windows 8 extremely enjoyable. I was hesistant to upgrade from 7 because 7 was extremely good. I was happy to find out windows 8 is just as good, if not better. Granted windows 8 is trying something a little bold and new, but the core of the OS is still as solid as 7, faster and better in most ways. I actually like the new start menu, theres no need for a silly button. Gesturing bottom left for start is so much better. Righg click bottom right corner and you get an advanced user menu for most common tools advanced users need. Click top left to cycle through open apps and desktop. Its a very fluid integration and i like it all a lot.
The only thing I'm not happy with is that the app store is really simple, and the included apps like mail could be better (no search). The pictures app is cool but still too simple. The music app is not a real music player, its just a music store with a player... and the ui is terrible. If you want to beat itunes you better MAKE something like itunes. I love itunes btw.
I'm not thrilled with ads on the start menu, i'm sure thats a possibility with the live updating tiles... If that becomes the norm, I will abandon windows all together.
Microsoft really needs to focus on improving the app store, and apps so that it becomes clear that this is a valid and worthwhile user experience change. The tech is there. They've done great work with the OS... but things like splitting the view in "modern ui" could be better, as apps dont fill the small side well, and you cant split the screen how you want. There should be more increments to the split screen function.
Yeah, who needs a faster, more powerful computer? You're right, only a few people really needed to step up from 286s...
Every year we do more with our computers. For fuck sake people, remember the BBS days? Now think about the youtube days of today, netflix, complex games, video chat, video conferencing, more bandwidth, more cpu, more ram....
WE ALWAYS needed more more more, and we still do.
Pocket devices are cute... but they will always be throw away devices limited by their design.
Windows 8 is very nice. The only problem is how underdeveloped and closed, the currently developed apps are, including microsofts own. Windows 8 Apps need to be full featured and well thought out. Right now, the app store isnt even good.
There is work to do still, but the OS is incredibly good. All that is needed is for Microsoft to comit to good idea it has, and work on the apps and app store to show people how good it can be.
Right now, its not even a competitor to Apple. The apps are bad mostly, the store is a joke compared to itunes very well organized store. The store itself lacks features.
Microsoft has R&D'd great ideas over the years and never got behind them fully. I hope this isnt just another microsoft zune. This is a great idea, with a great OS behind it. IF MS lets this slip away into boring like the media player, zune, etc... well MS will find itself with a new leader, as it should.
It's clear that MS has great programmers and tech... they just need the direction of say a Steve Jobs....
You're right, unions ruined everything, including child labor and slavery. Oh the good old days, when you could lock your workers in a factory, and watch them burn to death. (Actually happened)
SOME Razer products are shitty. BTW, its Razer, not Razor or Razor 1911:P
Razer's blackwidow line of keyboards are very good actually. They're the best most widely available mechanical keyboard you can pick up just about anywhere in a hurry.
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I dont think thats worse because the metro ui is not bad for what it is designed to do. The real problem is the apps. Its ALL about the apps. We've been saying it about linux for years. If there are no apps, a great OS really isnt that great.
Windows 8 is a great OS, but the bold and daring new portion of it has yet to be full filled due to a terribly designed app store, and poor follow through, and we know this is microsoft's biggest problem historically. They just dont follow through with good ideas.
The OS is better than windows 7 in every way.... I even like that the start menu is gone because I only ever used it to launch apps. NOW i pin them to the taskbar like i should have been doing all along.
Actually there are very good ui improvements over windows 7 in the regular desktop gui. The advanced menu is a new favorite of mine.
I dont mind the new start menu at all, as I rarely ever see it now.
Thats not true because they promoted the woman who was one of 3 core people under him, and she was responsible for windows 8 as well.
Apperently at ars technica and other sites, the word is, he was just tough to work, saying he wasnt a team player.
whatever.
windows 8 is better than windows 7.
Define perfectly good. It sounds like you mean old computers because you cant buy new computers with xp on it. I would never define old computers as perfectly good. Thats why my old Dual Pentium pro with 512megs is sitting in a landfill :) Well actually i saved the CPUs for the memories. Ah 3dsmax 1 and NT351. the good ole days, I never want to revisit :)
Seriously though, I know XP computers are still out there but I havent run XP on a computer in sometime and dont plan to ever again. Its just old. It was good, but I'd run windows 7 or 8 if i had a choice between Windows 7, 8, and XP. Frankly I would choose 8. Its great. I was really scared to give it a shot on my older quadcore because i had just installed win7 fresh on an SSD which was all setup nice and perfect. I even ran the windows upgrade processs.. which I NEVER do because of how much of a mess it usually makes... but this upgrade was seamless, and windows 8 is a performer.
Theres work to be done for MS though, but its more so in the experience of their vision of the app store, and apps. right now its vast empty unfullfilled idea. A poor experience, but it will improve if MS gets behind it. And we all know Microsoft has always fucked up good ideas by not getting behind them, and half assing software features. Windows 8 as an OS is great. The app store, and apps etc... well we will see how that developes but I cant say a bad thing about 8 vs 7.
Fuck you for trying to discredit my opinion. FUCK YOU. who are you to fucking say whos opinion is valid or not.
Just try the OS. If you've tried windows 7 and you feel 7 was the best windows OS... then obviously its possible that MS could have made an even better improved windows right?
You're so wrong. Windows 8 is a very good OS. Windows 7 was the best Windows OS until Windows 8 surpassed it.
Valve and linux is laughable. Gabe is all butt hurt because he doesnt want to make a modern ui version of Steam Store. Boohoo. Gabe somehow managed to present the idea that he would be squeezed out of windows gaming all together due to windows 8.. its nonsense.
Steam could easily port its store in a modern ui app, and even launch games from it.
Windows 8 is the same thing as Windows 7, but better.
Linux is like starting in the dark ages of computers.
You can get Windows 8 for $15 if you bought a windows PC in the last 6 months. You can also buy Windows 8 for $40 until Feb, after it will be $150.
I jumped on the $15 deal myself. Best $15 i ever spent on software.
Its 2012, no one wants to run XP with IE9. I'm telling you, Windows 8 is so much better than XP. Vista was garbage. Windows 7 was the best windows OS to date... until Windows 8.
However you feel about how they merged mobile and desktop into one OS... you cant deny that it is the direction we all must go. Windows 8 has succeeded at doing it, and its time to give Microsoft a little credit for their hard work. There is still work to be done in the app store, and apps department but the OS is phenomenal.
Btw.. IE10 is better than Chrome and firefox in terms of GPU acceleration and performance. IE9 was kind of a let down, but IE10 is actually a really good performer. I'd use it all the time if it had a real adblock addon that could block flash ads in videos like youtube, twitch.tv etc.
IE10 scrolls so smoothly. I've compared chrome to IE10, and chrome chokes on pages with heavy content compared to IE10. I've lost a lot of respect for Chrome. Firefox is a far better product than Chrome. IE10 amazing as it is to hear it come out of my mouth... is a better performer than both of them.
I have actually, and i found linux to be extremely frustrating. Running into dependency issues right and left is what annoyed the hell out of me, that and it just wasnt as good of an experience. Poor quality applications, very thin selection of good programs. Everything was counter culture, which i'm all for, but if you cant use a lot of mainstream applications/services than whats the point of linux on the desktop?
Windows 8 is fucking good. No one is downgrading, and if they are, they're stupid
Linux sucks as a desktop os
everyone needs faster hardware each year.... handhelds cant provide the same horse power and never will.
But you're right, they do more than the calculator watches of the 80s... far more, and that is often enough for casual things, but there will always be an increase in cpu demand, gpu demand, nice large screens to sit in front of etc.
Tablets and mobile devices are good for on the go, but they are not something you can really melt into like a workstation.
[b][i] They could have separated the UI from the OS, and provided Metro for those platforms where it makes sense, and also provided the tried-and-true UI for the desktop. [/b][/i]
But why do that when you can include them both? In a sense you're saying "if its a mobile device, it cant be a desktop device and if its desktop device it cant be a mobile device" While it may be true that a desktop device doesnt really need a mobile ui layer, the reverse isnt true. If i can take photoshop CS6 around on a tablet with a pressure sensitive pen, all while still using the same OS I use on a workstation to do the same work for game developement, feature film special fx and photography, then hell... I want that device! Thats a great device. So yes, integrating the desktop with mobile is a great idea, because todays mobile hardware is good enough to run a real workstation OS, and not just some simple palm os, or ios.
In other words, do you want a holodeck or 3d glasses? If we its possible, we ALWAYS go with holodeck. :) Well windows 8 is proof that is possible to do put a workstation OS on a mobile touch and or pen based device while still retaining full laptop like functionality on the go. That is a GREAT thing in my eyes.
I agree. I think windows 8 is a VERY good OS. People can be overly critical of MS, and they've often deserved it, but in this case they do not. I've been using computers since early apple, c64s, atari computers etc all the way up to windows 8. No one has attempted to do what Microsoft has done with 8, and considering that 8 is as good as it is... thats a huge success.
Mixing touch based AND tablet pen based interfaces with a full workstation quality desktop OS that has been the standard for generations.... thats pretty impressive in my book.
I was a skeptic, but I knew it was a brilliant and bold idea and if executed properly, hell it would be revolutionary. I think Microsoft has hit their mark, or close to it. The seemless intergration, the fast, snappy jumping in and out of desktop and "modern ui", the performance improvements over windows 7 etc... it all came together very well.
The parts that are unknown are the app store, the apps, and what will happen... but Microsoft did succeed in making an OS that succesfully intergrated touch input, pen input and traditional input on multiple devices all with a workstation quality os. Thats impressive. People need to give them a little room here. They're breaking new ground and thye've done it extremely well considering.
There is still much to be done, but the tech is there, and they have a strong foundation in windows 8. The rest is really up to how microsoft developes the app store further, and the apps themselves. Can MS deliver first party apps that really WOW the world? Or will they just move on to windows 9, and hope the rest of the industry finishes the job for MS?
All i know is, Apple doesnt let the rest of the industry finish the job. Thats why Apple is very in demand, because apple tries to complete the user experience, where as Microsoft has often tried to provide examples of underdeveloped software as guidelines for others, and that just isnt enough. MS needs to get behind what they do 1000% and provide REAL functionality and solid user experiences with respect to their app store and apps.
If they dont... Apple will, you know they are hard at work already.
I'm using it with a mouse on a workstation and still find windows 8 extremely enjoyable. I was hesistant to upgrade from 7 because 7 was extremely good. I was happy to find out windows 8 is just as good, if not better. Granted windows 8 is trying something a little bold and new, but the core of the OS is still as solid as 7, faster and better in most ways. I actually like the new start menu, theres no need for a silly button. Gesturing bottom left for start is so much better. Righg click bottom right corner and you get an advanced user menu for most common tools advanced users need. Click top left to cycle through open apps and desktop. Its a very fluid integration and i like it all a lot.
The only thing I'm not happy with is that the app store is really simple, and the included apps like mail could be better (no search). The pictures app is cool but still too simple. The music app is not a real music player, its just a music store with a player... and the ui is terrible. If you want to beat itunes you better MAKE something like itunes. I love itunes btw.
I'm not thrilled with ads on the start menu, i'm sure thats a possibility with the live updating tiles... If that becomes the norm, I will abandon windows all together.
Microsoft really needs to focus on improving the app store, and apps so that it becomes clear that this is a valid and worthwhile user experience change. The tech is there. They've done great work with the OS... but things like splitting the view in "modern ui" could be better, as apps dont fill the small side well, and you cant split the screen how you want. There should be more increments to the split screen function.
Yeah, who needs a faster, more powerful computer? You're right, only a few people really needed to step up from 286s...
Every year we do more with our computers. For fuck sake people, remember the BBS days? Now think about the youtube days of today, netflix, complex games, video chat, video conferencing, more bandwidth, more cpu, more ram....
WE ALWAYS needed more more more, and we still do.
Pocket devices are cute... but they will always be throw away devices limited by their design.
Mobile chips are shit to people who need renderfarms, simulation farms etc. People still do real work out there.
People who keep crapping on workstations and servers seem to think everyone just needs a computer for texting, facebook and angry birds.
Windows 8 is very nice. The only problem is how underdeveloped and closed, the currently developed apps are, including microsofts own. Windows 8 Apps need to be full featured and well thought out. Right now, the app store isnt even good.
There is work to do still, but the OS is incredibly good. All that is needed is for Microsoft to comit to good idea it has, and work on the apps and app store to show people how good it can be.
Right now, its not even a competitor to Apple. The apps are bad mostly, the store is a joke compared to itunes very well organized store. The store itself lacks features.
Microsoft has R&D'd great ideas over the years and never got behind them fully. I hope this isnt just another microsoft zune. This is a great idea, with a great OS behind it. IF MS lets this slip away into boring like the media player, zune, etc... well MS will find itself with a new leader, as it should.
It's clear that MS has great programmers and tech... they just need the direction of say a Steve Jobs....
and an ant, he carried a leaf all the way home
Yes but detroit is a shit hole of desperation and low wages
You're right, unions ruined everything, including child labor and slavery. Oh the good old days, when you could lock your workers in a factory, and watch them burn to death. (Actually happened)
Logitech software sucks. Their customer support is great though, where as Razers customer support is basically "fuck you, you broke it"
SOME Razer products are shitty. BTW, its Razer, not Razor or Razor 1911 :P
Razer's blackwidow line of keyboards are very good actually. They're the best most widely available mechanical keyboard you can pick up just about anywhere in a hurry.
Xbox live gold accounts have ads. This is why I dont have an Xbox live gold account anymore, and I refuse to turn on my xbox.
I dont pay for HBO to watch ads. I dont pay for xbox live to watch ads.