That was my first computer in 1979 (British Government). Not only was coding (COBOL) done on coding sheets, but you hand drew flow diagrams first before you started coding. When complete you sent the code off to be punched (onto cards) and compiled. Frustratingly the source code was only stored once one got one's first 'clean' compile. Before then one got the listing back (with compiler errors) along with the punched cards, and one had to replace the incorrect punch cards by hand. If I remember rightly, the Operating System was called George III.
Once compiled and stored, you could book your half-hour per day on the teletype! We did hear stories about terminals, but we didn't have any. This was the time you could do your daily compile, and then wait for the compilation listing to come back.
I've still got a few of the punched cards, along with the flow-chart template. They live at work and I bring them out occasionally to show the young 'uns.
By the early 80s I was on a team working with one of our first mini-computers (a Perkin Elmer). This lived in it's own air-conditioned room, with a large wardrobe-height CPU unit, an equally bit tape unit, and two massive removable disk drive units - big both physically (desk height) and in capacity (300 Mb each!). Input was via a terminal (so no more punched cards). Also, enough terminals for all us programmers ('programmers', not 'developers'). Again in COBOL.
One final part, I got an email circa 2003 to say that the first program I ever wrote, in 1979, had just doe it's final run (system EOL). 20 something years - not bad (although how much of my original code was left is anyone's guess).
One interesting technology that came and went was graph plotters. You could get desktop versions of these connected to early IBM PCs. They were fascinating to watch. Replaced by ink-jets and laser printers.
So in short, my journey; started with COBOL on 1900; continued with COBOL and some ICL specific 4GL (that I can't remember the name of - AML or something) on 2900; C (on DEC), VB6 in 2001 (yes, after 20 odd years I progressed to the dizzy heights of Trainee VB Programmer!), and currently Java.
Then use onenote. Of course you'll then be tied down to a specific application and even (as I seemingly trollishly demonstrated above) to a specific operating system!
Should I want to reference a document, presentation, audio, video or something else in a text file, I just record the file location. OK not embedded, but I haven't found this to be problematic, especially if I group things into folders.
Actually (and seriously), as per some comments above, I use simple text files, both at home and at work. I'm not then dependent on a specific application. I'm not even dependent on X.
sudo apt-get install onenote
[sudo] password for xxx:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package onenote
Just curious, but why has the OpenBSD team lost respect from you? They're not the maintainers of the official OpenSSL branch. What they're creating is a fork.
It does not suck that bad anymore. For anyone still having a grudge against Unity, I recommend trying it again at this point.
How would you feel about the sentence: "Your brain surgeon does not suck that bad anymore."
I think the sentence "Your brain surgeon does not suck that bad anymore." is not applicable in this instance. If your brain surgeon sucks, then your brain is is irretrievably damaged. If your Gnu/Linux distribution sucks, then your computer is not irretrievably damaged - you could back up your data, wipe your disk clean, and install another distribution (or wait until the original distribution no longer sucks).
A better sentence would be "Your hair stylist does not suck that bad anymore".
Sorry to hear about your brain surgeon, by the way.
You know, it occurs to me that if Mark Shuttleworth hadn't been "too ambitious and stubborn", he wouldn't have acquired his fortune in the first place - a fortune that he's subsequently used to bankroll Ubuntu and Canonical, and generally drive the Gnu/Linux ecosystem forwards.
Now he might fail (as you state, he is up against Apple, Microsoft and Google), but I think it is very good that someone is making the attempt - even if this does occasionally annoy his existing user base. For those there is always Xubuntu!
I'm currently with Linux Mint Debian Edition on my desktop (I migrated from Ubuntu as Unity and Gnome 3 were somewhat new at the time!). If only rolling upgrades were approximately every three months, I'd be happier. Unfortunately, they're not. (UP4 was on 2012.04.05, UP5 was on 2012.09.17, UP6 was on 2012.12.19, UP7 was on 2013.09.23, and UP8 was on 2014.02.04. Only one of these was a three-monther). When I installed LMDE it was a "rolling" release. Now it's described as "semi-rolling".
To be honest, I think the issue is lack of resources within Mint. When I installed LMDE, there was an XFCE edition (which I installed). This has been dropped. Fair enough, if the 'market wasn't there, no point in using resources unnecessarily.
Which leads us back to Ubuntu. This has been successful because Mark Shuttleworth has been using his personal fortune to keep things going. I sense a need for Canonical to get (at least) to a break-even point so it can continue even after Shuttleworth's fortune is no longer available (I doubt his pocket is bottomless!).
That either means relying on donations (like Mint) or getting some commercial success. Canonical have decided on the latter, and are have adopted their behaviour accordingly. I do not begrudge them this, and wish them well.
I will try the Unity (and Gnome) editions in VirtualBox (XFCE 12.04 LTE is on the laptop). I will then make an independent judgement as to what I think of them. For my next desktop build, I might revert to one of the Ubuntus (or if I'm feeling masochistic, I might even try Arch!)
And to compare - I recently bought a retail version of Windows 8.1 and installed it in VirtualBox. To be honest I don't think it's as bad an Operating System as has been made out - but the privacy issues are horrendous (I paraphrase, but one default install option seems to be to "send all browsing history to Microsoft to help Microsoft 'improve' the user experience etc."), and the default location for documents is Sky Drive. Microsoft also dream of "monetization and profits"! Now Ubuntu might be as bad (although I doubt it), but at least I don't have to pay to install it!
Canonical is an Organisation. It needs to keep going and thrive, and I (for one) hope they do. There is worse out there!
The Union of the Crowns happened in 1603, even before the Act of Union of 1707. Even if they gain independence, I believe the plan is for Scotland to keep the current monarchy.
Yes, I don't get a say (as in voting in the referendum) on this, and I accept that as right and proper. The decision whether to become independent or not is being rightly left to the voters of Scotland. I don't need to be referred to an article by Roger Scruton to "educate" myself on this! Actually, What I was trying to point out is that the voters of Scotland haven't as yet has a say on this themselves - they will do in September - so to indicate that they have already come to a decision (and that the decision was for 'moral' reasons) is incorrect.
Yes, I'm sure the rUK could vote in a Labour government on it's own. That was not the point I was trying to make. What I was pointing out was that the phrase "Successive Tory governments" seems to ignore the existence of the last Labour government (1997 to 2010), a government where much of the 'top brass' was Scottish.
(Talking of governments and parties, the McCrone report, although commissioned by a Conservative Government, was suppressed by the Labour Government under Harold Wilson!)
Finally, if Scotland does vote to become an independent country, then I shall wish it well, and hope for ongoing friendship between Scotland and the rUK. If Scotland votes to remain in the UK, then I hope we all continue to strive to make the UK work well for all its citizens.
Although probably economically beneficial to Scotland, most people want independence for moral reasons.
Oh, has the referendum happened? I thought it was due in September.
Or are we talking only about those (in Scotland) who so far have expressed a preference for independence. Although substantial, I don't believe this is (yet) a majority of those eligible to vote. And we won't know for certain until September.
As to "Successive Tory governments", from 1997 to 2010 we (the UK - I'm rUK) had a Labour government, with two Scottish Chancellors (Brown and Darling), a Scottish Prime Minister (Brown) and a Prime Minister, who if not Scottish, was educated at one of Scotland's top Public Schools (Blair, went to Fettes, in Edinburgh).
Actually you fought to get away from Great Britain, not (just) England. The Union was in place when America declared it's independence (I assume you're US-American).
"England" (or more correctly the rest of the UK, or "rUK" as it's become known - there's Wales and Northern Ireland as well) don't have a say in the decision. The decision either to become an independent country (or not) will be made by the voters of Scotland, and the voters of Scotland alone.
As someone in the rUK all I can do is sit back and accept whatever they decide. That said, I cannot help feeling that if the decision for independence will somehow be influenced on how Scotland looks in the BBC weather map, somewhere the plot has been lost!
Thanks. Yes, there is the possibility of bypassing the clipboard (assuming some integration). Where there isn't, KeePass (for instance) clears the clipboard after a specified period (default12 seconds).
Thanks. I don't think #a is particularly problematic these days - the modern versions of LibreOffice (and OpenOffice?) use AES-256. Good points with #b.
Its amazing how Java went from being the favoured child here on Slashdot to something generally reviled and hated over the past decade.
I don't think this is unique to Java; the same thing has happened here with Ubuntu/Canonical. Love can easily turn to hate whereas indifference rarely does.
Concerning Java, I don't think it is Java per se that is the cause of the 'hatred', it is more (1) the insecurity of the browser plug-in, (2) the attempt to install the ask.com toolbar when installing the JRE and (3) a general distrust of Oracle.
I don't have a problem with any of these. For #1 this can be disabled, for #2 I just download the JDK.tar.gz for Linux and just unpack it to install, and for #3 there is always OpenJDK in the background to keep Oracle on the straight an narrow.
The only real alternative to Java is.NET, which for me (using Linux) would mean using Mono. Interestingly, open-source Mono seems to generate more hatred here on Slashdot than the closed-source and proprietary.NET does.
I run Windows XP under VirtualBox (host system - LMDE XFCE). Why? For those few times when I need to use IE (for sites that don't work with Firefox or Chrome), or I need to use Office (for documents I cannot amend with LibreOffice, i.e. Office macros).
As I have an old retail license for XP, it fits the bill. It still works - rather like the 25+ year old fountain pen I used when at university. And it's legitimate. OK when XP goes out of support I may have to fork out 100+ GBP for Windows 8.1 (you can't get a retail license for Windows 7 any more) - but I'll object to doing so.
Unfortunately I can't (yet) ditch Windows completely. The sites that need IE or the Office documents with macros are usually sites or documents linked to the company I work for.
I did wonder about this. How does any code get into the release branch of any project (Open Source or not) without some form of code review or understanding of the functionality behind it? How is it tested? (I assume it is tested!). This is not a problem of Open Source, this is a problem of poor Configuration Management!
To compare - I expect nothing gets into the Linux kernel main branch (as maintained by Linus Torvalds) without being discussed, agreed, reviewed by someone, tested, and signed off.
New York has no more power to tax a transaction in Oregon than Afghanistan has to tax a transaction in London.
Afghanistan does have the right to tax the goods resulting from that transaction in London as they enter into Afghanistan.
If States (as you say) are independent, then why shouldn't New York have the right to tax goods resulting from any transaction made in Oregon as they enter into New York?
Of course, rather than New York set up physical checkpoints (and have the tax paid at the border as goods enter into New York), they could make a "logical" one by requiring that the tax be paid at the point of purchase for any goods that will enter New York.
(It would make my life easier if Amazon US collected any VAT likely to be due for goods shipped to the UK and passed the collected payment it to the UK government, rather than me having to go the the Post Office to pay it. However I could see Amazon US objecting to this!)
Interestingly, being in the UK and having bought stuff from the US (from Amazon), it is legitimate for the UK to 'tax' the purchase (VAT) as it comes into the country. If not already paid, the item is held (usually by the Post Office) until I (the purchaser) go and pay the tax.
(The fact that the tax was incorrectly applied as by UK law books and such are not subject to VAT, was neither here nor there. I had to apply - and got - a refund, but the principle was that the law applied where I was - the UK, and not where the 'transaction' took place - the US).
Of course, Amazon (US) is not obliged to collect taxes for the UK government on items bought by UK citizens. Then again, unlike New York State, it is possible for government agents (Customs and Excise) to check all items coming into the country.
I suppose the point I'm making is that it is about goods crossing a (state or national) boundary. That is the logical point of taxation. Therefore (according to this principle) Texas can only tax a transaction between a Ohio resident that occurs in Maryland, if the 'result' of that transactions ends up in Texas!
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That was my first computer in 1979 (British Government). Not only was coding (COBOL) done on coding sheets, but you hand drew flow diagrams first before you started coding. When complete you sent the code off to be punched (onto cards) and compiled. Frustratingly the source code was only stored once one got one's first 'clean' compile. Before then one got the listing back (with compiler errors) along with the punched cards, and one had to replace the incorrect punch cards by hand. If I remember rightly, the Operating System was called George III.
Once compiled and stored, you could book your half-hour per day on the teletype! We did hear stories about terminals, but we didn't have any. This was the time you could do your daily compile, and then wait for the compilation listing to come back.
I've still got a few of the punched cards, along with the flow-chart template. They live at work and I bring them out occasionally to show the young 'uns.
By the early 80s I was on a team working with one of our first mini-computers (a Perkin Elmer). This lived in it's own air-conditioned room, with a large wardrobe-height CPU unit, an equally bit tape unit, and two massive removable disk drive units - big both physically (desk height) and in capacity (300 Mb each!). Input was via a terminal (so no more punched cards). Also, enough terminals for all us programmers ('programmers', not 'developers'). Again in COBOL.
One final part, I got an email circa 2003 to say that the first program I ever wrote, in 1979, had just doe it's final run (system EOL). 20 something years - not bad (although how much of my original code was left is anyone's guess).
One interesting technology that came and went was graph plotters. You could get desktop versions of these connected to early IBM PCs. They were fascinating to watch. Replaced by ink-jets and laser printers.
So in short, my journey; started with COBOL on 1900; continued with COBOL and some ICL specific 4GL (that I can't remember the name of - AML or something) on 2900; C (on DEC), VB6 in 2001 (yes, after 20 odd years I progressed to the dizzy heights of Trainee VB Programmer!), and currently Java.
I think I prefer the Java!
Then use onenote. Of course you'll then be tied down to a specific application and even (as I seemingly trollishly demonstrated above) to a specific operating system!
Should I want to reference a document, presentation, audio, video or something else in a text file, I just record the file location. OK not embedded, but I haven't found this to be problematic, especially if I group things into folders.
As a foreigner, I can't help wondering whether you've perhaps got too many lawyers over there in the States.
Unfortunately, where the States leads, we follow.
(Sig possibly relevant for once!)
Actually (and seriously), as per some comments above, I use simple text files, both at home and at work. I'm not then dependent on a specific application. I'm not even dependent on X.
sudo apt-get install onenote
[sudo] password for xxx:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package onenote
bummer!
Just curious, but why has the OpenBSD team lost respect from you? They're not the maintainers of the official OpenSSL branch. What they're creating is a fork.
It does not suck that bad anymore. For anyone still having a grudge against Unity, I recommend trying it again at this point.
How would you feel about the sentence: "Your brain surgeon does not suck that bad anymore."
I think the sentence "Your brain surgeon does not suck that bad anymore." is not applicable in this instance. If your brain surgeon sucks, then your brain is is irretrievably damaged. If your Gnu/Linux distribution sucks, then your computer is not irretrievably damaged - you could back up your data, wipe your disk clean, and install another distribution (or wait until the original distribution no longer sucks).
A better sentence would be "Your hair stylist does not suck that bad anymore".
Sorry to hear about your brain surgeon, by the way.
You know, it occurs to me that if Mark Shuttleworth hadn't been "too ambitious and stubborn", he wouldn't have acquired his fortune in the first place - a fortune that he's subsequently used to bankroll Ubuntu and Canonical, and generally drive the Gnu/Linux ecosystem forwards.
Now he might fail (as you state, he is up against Apple, Microsoft and Google), but I think it is very good that someone is making the attempt - even if this does occasionally annoy his existing user base. For those there is always Xubuntu!
I'm currently with Linux Mint Debian Edition on my desktop (I migrated from Ubuntu as Unity and Gnome 3 were somewhat new at the time!). If only rolling upgrades were approximately every three months, I'd be happier. Unfortunately, they're not. (UP4 was on 2012.04.05, UP5 was on 2012.09.17, UP6 was on 2012.12.19, UP7 was on 2013.09.23, and UP8 was on 2014.02.04. Only one of these was a three-monther). When I installed LMDE it was a "rolling" release. Now it's described as "semi-rolling".
To be honest, I think the issue is lack of resources within Mint. When I installed LMDE, there was an XFCE edition (which I installed). This has been dropped. Fair enough, if the 'market wasn't there, no point in using resources unnecessarily.
Which leads us back to Ubuntu. This has been successful because Mark Shuttleworth has been using his personal fortune to keep things going. I sense a need for Canonical to get (at least) to a break-even point so it can continue even after Shuttleworth's fortune is no longer available (I doubt his pocket is bottomless!).
That either means relying on donations (like Mint) or getting some commercial success. Canonical have decided on the latter, and are have adopted their behaviour accordingly. I do not begrudge them this, and wish them well.
I will try the Unity (and Gnome) editions in VirtualBox (XFCE 12.04 LTE is on the laptop). I will then make an independent judgement as to what I think of them. For my next desktop build, I might revert to one of the Ubuntus (or if I'm feeling masochistic, I might even try Arch!)
And to compare - I recently bought a retail version of Windows 8.1 and installed it in VirtualBox. To be honest I don't think it's as bad an Operating System as has been made out - but the privacy issues are horrendous (I paraphrase, but one default install option seems to be to "send all browsing history to Microsoft to help Microsoft 'improve' the user experience etc."), and the default location for documents is Sky Drive. Microsoft also dream of "monetization and profits"! Now Ubuntu might be as bad (although I doubt it), but at least I don't have to pay to install it!
Canonical is an Organisation. It needs to keep going and thrive, and I (for one) hope they do. There is worse out there!
The Union of the Crowns happened in 1603, even before the Act of Union of 1707. Even if they gain independence, I believe the plan is for Scotland to keep the current monarchy.
Yes, I don't get a say (as in voting in the referendum) on this, and I accept that as right and proper. The decision whether to become independent or not is being rightly left to the voters of Scotland. I don't need to be referred to an article by Roger Scruton to "educate" myself on this! Actually, What I was trying to point out is that the voters of Scotland haven't as yet has a say on this themselves - they will do in September - so to indicate that they have already come to a decision (and that the decision was for 'moral' reasons) is incorrect.
Yes, I'm sure the rUK could vote in a Labour government on it's own. That was not the point I was trying to make. What I was pointing out was that the phrase "Successive Tory governments" seems to ignore the existence of the last Labour government (1997 to 2010), a government where much of the 'top brass' was Scottish.
(Talking of governments and parties, the McCrone report, although commissioned by a Conservative Government, was suppressed by the Labour Government under Harold Wilson!)
Finally, if Scotland does vote to become an independent country, then I shall wish it well, and hope for ongoing friendship between Scotland and the rUK. If Scotland votes to remain in the UK, then I hope we all continue to strive to make the UK work well for all its citizens.
Perhaps Scotland should have a hockey team...
http://www.scottish-hockey.org.uk/international-teams.aspx
G.B., England, its all the same viewed from our east coast.
Maybe, but it really pisses off the Scots!
Although probably economically beneficial to Scotland, most people want independence for moral reasons.
Oh, has the referendum happened? I thought it was due in September.
Or are we talking only about those (in Scotland) who so far have expressed a preference for independence. Although substantial, I don't believe this is (yet) a majority of those eligible to vote. And we won't know for certain until September.
As to "Successive Tory governments", from 1997 to 2010 we (the UK - I'm rUK) had a Labour government, with two Scottish Chancellors (Brown and Darling), a Scottish Prime Minister (Brown) and a Prime Minister, who if not Scottish, was educated at one of Scotland's top Public Schools (Blair, went to Fettes, in Edinburgh).
Actually you fought to get away from Great Britain, not (just) England. The Union was in place when America declared it's independence (I assume you're US-American).
Other people aren't voting in the referendum, only Scots. So what other people think doesn't matter.
"England" (or more correctly the rest of the UK, or "rUK" as it's become known - there's Wales and Northern Ireland as well) don't have a say in the decision. The decision either to become an independent country (or not) will be made by the voters of Scotland, and the voters of Scotland alone.
As someone in the rUK all I can do is sit back and accept whatever they decide. That said, I cannot help feeling that if the decision for independence will somehow be influenced on how Scotland looks in the BBC weather map, somewhere the plot has been lost!
As to beer, try Theakston's Old Peculier. Ace!
Thanks. Yes, there is the possibility of bypassing the clipboard (assuming some integration). Where there isn't, KeePass (for instance) clears the clipboard after a specified period (default12 seconds).
Thanks. I don't think #a is particularly problematic these days - the modern versions of LibreOffice (and OpenOffice?) use AES-256. Good points with #b.
OK, why not?
(Truly curious as to why a password manager is considered better than an encrypted spreadsheet, using the same password or pass phrase).
Its amazing how Java went from being the favoured child here on Slashdot to something generally reviled and hated over the past decade.
I don't think this is unique to Java; the same thing has happened here with Ubuntu/Canonical. Love can easily turn to hate whereas indifference rarely does.
.tar.gz for Linux and just unpack it to install, and for #3 there is always OpenJDK in the background to keep Oracle on the straight an narrow.
.NET, which for me (using Linux) would mean using Mono. Interestingly, open-source Mono seems to generate more hatred here on Slashdot than the closed-source and proprietary .NET does.
Concerning Java, I don't think it is Java per se that is the cause of the 'hatred', it is more (1) the insecurity of the browser plug-in, (2) the attempt to install the ask.com toolbar when installing the JRE and (3) a general distrust of Oracle.
I don't have a problem with any of these. For #1 this can be disabled, for #2 I just download the JDK
The only real alternative to Java is
I run Windows XP under VirtualBox (host system - LMDE XFCE). Why? For those few times when I need to use IE (for sites that don't work with Firefox or Chrome), or I need to use Office (for documents I cannot amend with LibreOffice, i.e. Office macros).
As I have an old retail license for XP, it fits the bill. It still works - rather like the 25+ year old fountain pen I used when at university. And it's legitimate. OK when XP goes out of support I may have to fork out 100+ GBP for Windows 8.1 (you can't get a retail license for Windows 7 any more) - but I'll object to doing so.
Unfortunately I can't (yet) ditch Windows completely. The sites that need IE or the Office documents with macros are usually sites or documents linked to the company I work for.
I did wonder about this. How does any code get into the release branch of any project (Open Source or not) without some form of code review or understanding of the functionality behind it? How is it tested? (I assume it is tested!). This is not a problem of Open Source, this is a problem of poor Configuration Management!
To compare - I expect nothing gets into the Linux kernel main branch (as maintained by Linus Torvalds) without being discussed, agreed, reviewed by someone, tested, and signed off.
New York has no more power to tax a transaction in Oregon than Afghanistan has to tax a transaction in London.
Afghanistan does have the right to tax the goods resulting from that transaction in London as they enter into Afghanistan.
If States (as you say) are independent, then why shouldn't New York have the right to tax goods resulting from any transaction made in Oregon as they enter into New York?
Of course, rather than New York set up physical checkpoints (and have the tax paid at the border as goods enter into New York), they could make a "logical" one by requiring that the tax be paid at the point of purchase for any goods that will enter New York.
(It would make my life easier if Amazon US collected any VAT likely to be due for goods shipped to the UK and passed the collected payment it to the UK government, rather than me having to go the the Post Office to pay it. However I could see Amazon US objecting to this!)
Interestingly, being in the UK and having bought stuff from the US (from Amazon), it is legitimate for the UK to 'tax' the purchase (VAT) as it comes into the country. If not already paid, the item is held (usually by the Post Office) until I (the purchaser) go and pay the tax.
(The fact that the tax was incorrectly applied as by UK law books and such are not subject to VAT, was neither here nor there. I had to apply - and got - a refund, but the principle was that the law applied where I was - the UK, and not where the 'transaction' took place - the US).
Of course, Amazon (US) is not obliged to collect taxes for the UK government on items bought by UK citizens. Then again, unlike New York State, it is possible for government agents (Customs and Excise) to check all items coming into the country.
I suppose the point I'm making is that it is about goods crossing a (state or national) boundary. That is the logical point of taxation. Therefore (according to this principle) Texas can only tax a transaction between a Ohio resident that occurs in Maryland, if the 'result' of that transactions ends up in Texas!