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Ubuntu Linux 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr Released

An anonymous reader writes with this announcement: "Ubuntu Linux version 14.04 LTS (code named "Trusty Tahr") has been released and available for download. This updated version includes the Linux kernel v3.13.0-24.46, Python 3.4, Xen 4.4, Libreoffice 4.2.3, MySQL 5.6/MariaDB 5.5, Apache 2.4, PHP 5.5, improvements to AppArmor allow more fine-grained control over application, and more. The latest release of Ubuntu Server is heavily focused on supporting cloud and scale-out computing platforms such as OpenStack, Docker, and more. As part of the wider Ubuntu 14.04 release efforts the Ubuntu Touch team is proud to make the latest and greatest touch experience available to our enthusiast users and developers. You can install Ubuntu on Nexus 4 Phone (mako), Nexus 7 (2013) Tablet (flo), and Nexus 10 Tablet (manta) by following these instructions. On a hardware front, ARM multiplatform support has been added, enabling you to build a single ARM kernel image that can boot across multiple hardware platforms. Additionally, the ARM64 and Power architectures are now fully supported. See detailed release notes for more information. A quick upgrade to a newer version of Ubuntu is possible over the network."

179 comments

  1. Spyware status by kthreadd · · Score: 0

    It used to be that the default installation contained a program was running by default, which had a good purpose but also sent everything that the user typed into it to Canonical and indirectly to Amazon. This is by all definitions spyware. I don't know if this is still included in Ubuntu, maybe someone else knows?

    1. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I heard most Linux distros have spyware embedded in them. The only way to get rid of it is to compile from source, which most people don't know how / aren't willing to do. This is one of the main reasons I stick with Windows.

    2. Re:Spyware status by machineghost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did the person you heard that from also tell you that vacinations cause autism? Or that JFK was assasinated by Bigfoot (as part of the global lizard-people/Illuminati coalition)?

      Also, why would you think Windows *doesn't* have Microsoft spyware installed?

    3. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I sense the aspergers is strong in this one.

    4. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would imagine what we've got here is a case of facetiousness.

    5. Re:Spyware status by Desler · · Score: 1

      Have you heard of jokes and/or sarcasm?

    6. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This would be the Amazon search lens, which was enabled by default. When you used the Search functionality in Unity desktop, it would search both local files/content and Amazon's catalog of products online.

      Not exactly spyware per se, but certainly irritating - especially if you're concerned about your privacy. I don't expect the search function on my local Linux computer to run off and search Amazon for interesting products...

      and no, it hasn't been disabled by default. You can turn it off via the Settings panel though.

    7. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, what's going on here is the parent you are replying to was making a joke.

      Basically he/she/they is/are making an obviously silly statement, the aim of which is to in fact make the same point you have made.

      In other words: whoooooosh

    8. Re:Spyware status by Anrego · · Score: 1

      I assume you are talking about that stupid search feature.

      While I agree it is a dumb thing to have enabled by default, and certainly have no love for ubuntu in general, I'd hesitate to call it spyware.

    9. Re:Spyware status by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Is that something you get from using Facebook?

    10. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So, rather than 'Trusty Tahr', it should be 'Total Turd'?

    11. Re:Spyware status by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      No, I like the name.

    12. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If by "keylogger" you mean "collected the text entered into the user-visible search field" then yes, it's a keylogger just like your xterm window is a keylogger. if you mean anything else you're mistaken about what was happening.

    13. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, linux coders aren't sophisticated? Or knowledgeable enough to write spyware. They do like to hang out at new years parties with their laptops and post SHIT code. It's a blast.
      Windows programers WOULD write spyware, but their is no money in it, so their bosses don't let them. They just assume the android dregs will pick up the slack.
      nope, it assembly for me. Gotta plug the 150 baud modem back in so i can read at a liesurely pace in r3altime.

    14. Re:Spyware status by davidhoude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is the dumbest post I've seen.

      Slashdot allows users to post, which requires a keyboard. Does that make Slashdot a keylogger/trojan?

    15. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, why would you think Windows *doesn't* have Microsoft spyware installed?

      Windows does have Microsoft spyware installed, it just doesn't work.

    16. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that something you get from using Facebook?

      Yep..
      It's a SNTD

    17. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure there's a joke about beta in there somewhere.

    18. Re:Spyware status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Ubuntu we are talking about so there might be some truth to the statement. (I hear the next release will be called "Bloated Badger")

    19. Re:Spyware status by bmullan · · Score: 1

      windows... the virus ridden platform on the planet ... you mean that one?

  2. Re:Code names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think you mean Crusty Cunt, which was Ubuntu's seminal release.

  3. Is it a cell phone UI? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Funny

    Until all the apps are full screen only with no way to leave unless I get thrown back into a cell phone I wont be switching. I hope the apps only have 3 or 4 functions that are all hidden by default.

    That would be sooo cool. I am sure if I go to a starbucks with such a gui I can get so many chicks owwing and ahhing and using my hip touch screen. Sharkwire looks so cute ... giggles.

  4. *Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by machineghost · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The only reason I care about Ubuntu updates is that they are followed by Mint updates. I really don't see why anyone would still want to use Ubuntu when there is an equally good (if not better) Debian/Ubuntu-based distro, especially given Shuttleworth's complete and utter contempt for the open source community.

    1. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      given Shuttleworth's complete and utter contempt for the open source community.

      Where are you getting that from? Shuttleworth has done nothing but help the open source community in every way imaginable.

    2. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Maybe not a cell phone interface

    3. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Shuttleworth's complete and utter contempt for the open source community.

      I'll concede that some initial releases were done way before they were polished, but half the griping isn't even about flawed features.

      In light of some of the changes that have caused some huge controversies (having the window buttons on the right vs left is straight out of Gulliver's), maybe you mean "ignoring the very vocal minority who reject innovation, either from a need to feel elite or fear of change".

    4. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's because you can't open network manager as root.

      A fundamentally moronic design.

    5. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can change the network configs with out rebooting??? Where did you get that from? (I can change ip address, dns settings, default gateway, etc no reboot needed. /etc/network/interfaces)

    6. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by machineghost · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mint listens to their constintuents, and builds their distro around their concerns. Ubuntu does whatever the heck they want and says "take it or leave it".

      See Mint's choice of MATE (Gnome2) or Gnome3 vs. Ubuntu's "We're making this new Unity thing that no one wants and we'll force it on our users before its ready".

    7. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Pascoea · · Score: 5, Informative

      I guess this is what I get for browsing at -1... While I do agree with you on your point about rebooting to apply networking config (I'm assuming it's a true statement) I think if that's the best argument you can come up with for why Ubuntu/Shuttleworth suck you are pretty far off-base with your evaluation. I like it because it gives me access to a linux server environment that is literally child's play to install, and it gives the non-techy person a decent alternative to Windows. It is the first distro that I have seen that you don't need a deep understanding of a computer to install it. (My 12 year old was able to install it by himself) Considering where the Linux world was 10 years ago, I'd say that's a pretty damn good contribution to the open source community. Are there better distros out there? Yeah, there probably are. Has one company done as much as Canonical to push Linux to the masses? Probably not.

    8. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There seems to be a strong dose of NIH syndrome within Ubuntu resulting in incompatible "alternatives" to open source solutions. Just going from memory there are Unity and Mir which are pure Canonical projects and require additional work from other projects to stay compatible/work well with.

    9. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shuttleworth might have different philosophy from your accusation but it is quite the stretch, unfair and counter-productive. Many people think he has done a lot of good to the open source even if it was not to the liking of some open source quarters.

      Take a moment away from the keyboard if you can't hold yourself back from replying!

    10. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by machineghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ubuntu *did* (past tense) an amazing amount for the community, and for a long time Ubutunu was justifiably the dominant distribution because they gave people what they wanted (as you more or less said, it was the first distro that was super user-friendly). I do give them props for that.

      Then it all went to Shuttleworth's head, and he started thinking he could dictate to the Linux world what we would all use. That's when many Linux users started abandoning Shutttleworth/Canonincal and going to distributions that actually cared: there's a reason why (on many distribution watchlists at least) Mint has surpassed Ubuntu.

    11. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by RDW · · Score: 1

      In light of some of the changes that have caused some huge controversies (having the window buttons on the right vs left is straight out of Gulliver's), maybe you mean "ignoring the very vocal minority who reject innovation, either from a need to feel elite or fear of change".

      Moving the window buttons to the left is 'innovation'?

    12. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by butalearner · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only reason I care about Ubuntu updates is that they are followed by Mint updates. I really don't see why anyone would still want to use Ubuntu when there is an equally good (if not better) Debian/Ubuntu-based distro, especially given Shuttleworth's complete and utter contempt for the open source community.

      Probably because ideology isn't really important to most people, who just want stuff that works. They don't care if they're running X or Wayland/Weston or Mir. And Shuttleworth definitely does not have contempt for the open source community in general...just the developers who don't follow his lead. Which definitely isn't cool, of course, but those developers don't represent everybody.

      After my old laptop with a highly-customized Arch Linux setup died, I went back to Ubuntu (which I've used since Warty Warthog!) because I didn't feel like spending the time to mess with stuff anymore. My personal laptop is currently sitting on 12.04 LTS. I might upgrade once 14.04.1 is released in August, depending on how reviews are. It looks like they didn't choose as many cutting-edge packages, so it may not be as big of a problem as the first releases of previous LTS editions were (remember the time they shipped an LTS release with a beta version of Firefox?).

      I'm using Mint 16 Cinnamon at work, so I could be convinced to switch, but my wife and kids are used to Unity by now. I have a terminal shortcut pinned near the top of the sidebar, so I get around easily enough.

    13. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Point of reference: I was twelve twenty years ago when I first installed Linux.

    14. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats it matter?

    15. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mint listens to their constintuents, and builds their distro around their concerns. Ubuntu does whatever the heck they want and says "take it or leave it".

      See Mint's choice of MATE (Gnome2) or Gnome3 vs. Ubuntu's "We're making this new Unity thing that no one wants and we'll force it on our users before its ready".

      Which is why some of us (perhaps a good number) moved to Xubuntu.

    16. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's fortunate that Ubuntu has XFCE, LXDE, KDE, Gnome, Unity and might get a MATE version as well.

    17. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Does Mint now follow Ubuntu releases at all? Or just stick to Debian? B'cos under the hood, it's Debian, and since Unity has been the hood ornament of Ubuntu for some time now (not counting Xubuntu/Lubuntu), which Mint doesn't use, why would Mint bother following Ubuntu at all? It may have started off as an Ubuntu derivative, but is it so any longer?

    18. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, KDE has been spun off. And does Ubuntu offer its distro w/ GNOME 3?

    19. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.kubuntu.org/
      http://ubuntugnome.org/

      Does it really matter that Kubuntu is now community only? That's exactly the same situation as Mint and every other Ubuntu spinoffs. You can still have Ubuntu without the default UI even tho the splash screen isn't the same. If the splash is turning you off, there's the minimal iso.

    20. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by thoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What happened to Ubuntu was they decided to "differentiate" themselves more, dreaming of monetization and profits. I'm not sure it is working out the way they thought it would.

      I like Mint - the version that tracks debian (Linux Mint Debian edition). They do a ~3 month rolling upgrade from debian testing. So I get something a little more current than debian stable on Mint's nice Cinnamon UI. It's ideal except for one little thing - no LVM install by default. For that you need to jump through some hoops but it can be done. Well maybe I'll grab the latest and see if that separation has gone away.

    21. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ok. So where's Mint's Unity edition?

    22. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Informative

      Does Mint now follow Ubuntu releases at all? Or just stick to Debian? B'cos under the hood, it's Debian...

      Bad info is bad.
      Mint has two editions. The normal release is based on Ubuntu, but there is a second more rolling-release edition based on Debian Unstable called LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition). It is available in both Mate and Cinnamon interfaces.

    23. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was also 12 when I first installed Linux 11 years ago.

    24. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by YourMissionForToday · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's in one monolithic file.

      Try making a minor typo in the syntax, then restart networking. You will lose all network connectivity on ALL interfaces.

      Fix your typo and try to start networking again. It won't work until you reboot.

      Or you can try adding your config to one of the seemingly infinite network config subdirectories (ifup.d, post-ifup.d, etc). Make the same typo anywhere in the subdirectories and you'll still mess up all networking and have to reboot.

      I guess this is acceptable if you haven't used any OS besides Windows 98. For the rest of us it's maddening.

    25. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, how dare an open source project dream of one day not being a black hole money pit.

    26. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "take it or leave it".

      Huh? Ubuntu is still fucking Linux. You can take it, and then do whatever the hell you want with it. If all you're concerned about is what the distro ships with by default, then by definition all distros are "take it or leave it"!

    27. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, how dare an open source project dream of one day not being a black hole money pit.

      It's totally possible to make money and respect users' rights at the same time.

    28. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by TheBilgeRat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, we could choose Xubuntu (XFCE), Lubuntu (LXDE), Kubuntu (KDE), or even just install barebones and roll your own. I fail to see how Ubuntu is shoving a window manager or desktop environment down your throat.

    29. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow. Get over yourself, dude.

    30. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The flip side of that is that Canonical has been pretty clear that they're not building this for their existing users but rather to get new users on phones, tablets, phablets, convertibles, touchscreen laptops, TVs and whatnot other household devices. To trot out the old Henry Ford quote, if I asked my users what they'd wanted they'd say a faster horse. Well that's you, you want a better "classic" desktop the way it's been for the last 20 years or so but the users they have is 1% of a declining PC market that's being swarmed by other non-PC devices. That's why they won't listen when you complain that they're trying to put a steering wheel and pedals on your horse cart, they're trying to build a car and going back on that is clearly a step backwards compared to their goals.

      Yes, he's trying to be Steve Jobs just like Google is, just like Microsoft is and when giants like that throw their weight around it's easy to get flung into irrelevance which is why the new business isn't exactly rolling in and the old business is cranky. Particularly now when Android has rolled in almost everywhere he wanted Ubuntu to be. He could just tuck his tail between his legs, admit defeat and say we'll be building a desktop of the geeks, by the geeks, for the geeks and that's that. Or at least aim the sights back to Microsoft, the old archenemy even though Ubuntu never managed to get very far there. But my impression is that he's too ambitious and stubborn to do that, besides "We're making this new Unity thing that no one wants and we'll force it on our users before its ready" sounds like GNOME 3, KDE 4 and a bunch of other projects so he fits right in.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    31. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Further info : Mint 17, 18, 19, 20 (assuming they keep a 6-month release rate) will be based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, the changes supposedly will be linux and Xorg updates for compatibility/performance of newer hardware, and newer versions of Mate and Cinnamon.

    32. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was 12 when I first installed Linux 26 years ago.

    33. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

      There are alternative WMs available. Unity works pretty well on my wife's net book. However on my laptop, I prefer kde with all it's bells and whistles. Be thankful you have a choice.

      --
      Chewbacon
      The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
    34. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Sesostris+III · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm currently with Linux Mint Debian Edition on my desktop (I migrated from Ubuntu as Unity and Gnome 3 were somewhat new at the time!). If only rolling upgrades were approximately every three months, I'd be happier. Unfortunately, they're not. (UP4 was on 2012.04.05, UP5 was on 2012.09.17, UP6 was on 2012.12.19, UP7 was on 2013.09.23, and UP8 was on 2014.02.04. Only one of these was a three-monther). When I installed LMDE it was a "rolling" release. Now it's described as "semi-rolling".

      To be honest, I think the issue is lack of resources within Mint. When I installed LMDE, there was an XFCE edition (which I installed). This has been dropped. Fair enough, if the 'market wasn't there, no point in using resources unnecessarily.

      Which leads us back to Ubuntu. This has been successful because Mark Shuttleworth has been using his personal fortune to keep things going. I sense a need for Canonical to get (at least) to a break-even point so it can continue even after Shuttleworth's fortune is no longer available (I doubt his pocket is bottomless!).

      That either means relying on donations (like Mint) or getting some commercial success. Canonical have decided on the latter, and are have adopted their behaviour accordingly. I do not begrudge them this, and wish them well.

      I will try the Unity (and Gnome) editions in VirtualBox (XFCE 12.04 LTE is on the laptop). I will then make an independent judgement as to what I think of them. For my next desktop build, I might revert to one of the Ubuntus (or if I'm feeling masochistic, I might even try Arch!)

      And to compare - I recently bought a retail version of Windows 8.1 and installed it in VirtualBox. To be honest I don't think it's as bad an Operating System as has been made out - but the privacy issues are horrendous (I paraphrase, but one default install option seems to be to "send all browsing history to Microsoft to help Microsoft 'improve' the user experience etc."), and the default location for documents is Sky Drive. Microsoft also dream of "monetization and profits"! Now Ubuntu might be as bad (although I doubt it), but at least I don't have to pay to install it!

      Canonical is an Organisation. It needs to keep going and thrive, and I (for one) hope they do. There is worse out there!

      --
      You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough. - Blake
    35. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Sesostris+III · · Score: 2

      You know, it occurs to me that if Mark Shuttleworth hadn't been "too ambitious and stubborn", he wouldn't have acquired his fortune in the first place - a fortune that he's subsequently used to bankroll Ubuntu and Canonical, and generally drive the Gnu/Linux ecosystem forwards.

      Now he might fail (as you state, he is up against Apple, Microsoft and Google), but I think it is very good that someone is making the attempt - even if this does occasionally annoy his existing user base. For those there is always Xubuntu!

      --
      You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough. - Blake
    36. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could run multiple X sessions on different vterms to get around the "other people" problem. There are several different ways to do that.

    37. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (as you more or less said, it was the first distro popular in the US that was super user-friendly).

      My first impression of Ubuntu back in the day was that it had a very sane default config but was utterly lacking in user-friendly administration/configuration tools - really no comparison to SuSE and Mandrake Linux.

    38. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not innovation, but it did open the rest of the OS up to innovation.

      For instance, without moving them to the left, you couldn't have the unified title bar when you maximise a window in Unity, because of all the indicators in the top right of the screen. Without that, people wouldn't have started putting Ubuntu on notebooks because vertical screen real-estate wouldn't have been any better than in Windows.

      Ubuntu innovations include the following:

      A global messaging system.

      A modern init system, which has now unforunately been usurped

      Scopes. You may not like the amazon scope, but that is actually a damn good idea

      JuJu and Maas

      An actual linux phone os, the one thing that people have been requesting for a long time. Unfortunately, people hate ubuntu phone because it's ubuntu.

    39. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by nut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... especially given Shuttleworth's complete and utter contempt for the open source community.

      He's giving it away for free. You don't have to use it.

      --
      Never trust a man in a blue trench coat, Never drive a car when you're dead
    40. Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      Have you tried to upgrade a Xubuntu installation? Mine fell apart spectacularly. (I guess there was a conflict between the graphical shells, because my window decoration disappeared.)

  5. Re:Code names by nctritech · · Score: 0

    Someone please mod this up to +5 Funny. I lol'd.

  6. Uhhhhh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think AC was kidding, friend; making the exact point you are.

  7. Quick question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does Unity still suck?

    1. Re:Quick question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the pope still Catholic? Is water still wet?

    2. Re:Quick question by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Informative

      It does not suck that bad anymore. For anyone still having a grudge against Unity, I recommend trying it again at this point.

    3. Re:Quick question by Nimey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's true. I hated Unity with a fiery passion around 12.04. I still dislike it (largely because of poor discoverability), but it's a great deal more bearable now.

      --
      Hail Eris, full of mischief...

      E pluribus sanguinem
    4. Re:Quick question by Terry+Pearson · · Score: 2

      I actually was in the same boat as you. I wasn't a fan early on, but now I actually like it. I mainly use Eclipse or the terminal, so the UI is not super important as long as it does not eat resources. 14.04 seems to be better in this realm. It seems resource use has been getting better. In regards to the interface, I just setup my preschooler with an account on my Ubuntu laptop and Unity was easy enough for her (obviously I did some setup ahead of time). They have really started making the interface intuitive and I give them some serious credit for that.

    5. Re:Quick question by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      I came, I saw, I hated Unity. I still do, pretty much.

      But it you install Classic Menu or CairoDock then you have access to the old way menus for finding your installed apps, and you can ignore Unity entirely (but I occasionally hit the Unity sidebar for some minor convenience from time to time).

      Some lessons I have learned for working with Ubuntu if, like most people, you just want a desktop environment that lets you do your work efficiently, employing established knowledge and skills and not have to muck about with solving problems created by the distribution and its UI:

      • Only ever install the LTS version, otherwise you find yourself dealing with Shuttleworth's "experiments" and support gets terminated in 18 months,
      • Only ever select the default UI (Unity in this case). I tried every alternative to Unity first, but every one had some basic feature that was seriously broken and could not be fixed in a reasonable amount of effort. Guess only the primary UI gets sent to QA.

      I will be trying the new LTS after it has been out a little while.

      --
      Second class citizen of the New Gilded Age
    6. Re:Quick question by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      It does not suck that bad anymore. For anyone still having a grudge against Unity, I recommend trying it again at this point.

      How would you feel about the sentence: "Your brain surgeon does not suck that bad anymore."

      --
      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    7. Re:Quick question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only ever install the LTS version, otherwise you find yourself dealing with Shuttleworth's "experiments" and support gets terminated in 18 months

      Actually it's 9 months nowadays. And I'll strongly second the recommendation to stick to LTSs.

    8. Re:Quick question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does chocolate milk come from brown cows?

    9. Re:Quick question by Sesostris+III · · Score: 1

      It does not suck that bad anymore. For anyone still having a grudge against Unity, I recommend trying it again at this point.

      How would you feel about the sentence: "Your brain surgeon does not suck that bad anymore."

      I think the sentence "Your brain surgeon does not suck that bad anymore." is not applicable in this instance. If your brain surgeon sucks, then your brain is is irretrievably damaged. If your Gnu/Linux distribution sucks, then your computer is not irretrievably damaged - you could back up your data, wipe your disk clean, and install another distribution (or wait until the original distribution no longer sucks).

      A better sentence would be "Your hair stylist does not suck that bad anymore".

      Sorry to hear about your brain surgeon, by the way.

      --
      You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough. - Blake
  8. Re:Code names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seminal release? I just hope it wasn't premature on their part, that would be a dishonorable discharge.

  9. Re:Code names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do open-source projects always have such stupid, ugly-sounding code names that probably refers to totally obscure subjects?

  10. Editors? *crickets* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, was the summary supposed to look like it was written by a retarded person or am I missing some kind of obscure joke? Grade-school kids can write a more coherent paragraph.

    1. Re:Editors? *crickets* by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      So, was the summary supposed to look like it was written by a retarded person

      Clearly looks like it was written by a salesman.

  11. Quick answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not nearly as much as it did when it first came out THREE YEARS AGO.

    Please update your griping points - they're outdated even by /. standards.

    1. Re:Quick answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To late. Far too late. I gave up on Ubuntu after the 10/4 release was IMHO so bad that it was almost unusable.
      I moved to CentOS and have found a nice stable OS. I know many former Ubuntu users who gave Unity the finger and found a home with Debian or Mint.
      Ubuntu seems to be less relevant with every release.
      That is a shame really because in the beginning it was good.

  12. Re:Code names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've always referred to it as Umbongo (name of an old UK soft drink) altered release name

    And I use it on my main machine - its on Obese Otter I think, or is it Pervy Pigeon ?
    Rampant Rabbit ?

    No, I upgraded last week. Its on Smeggy Shrew.
    I started on Lurid Limpet , moved to Molested Marmoset, then Neurotic Narwhal

    Not worked out what this one will be - Tumescent Tamarin?

  13. Single ARM kernel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Will the stoooopid people quit working on this. It's a dumb idea.

    Now instead of board-specific files and SoC-specific (CPU-specific) files, we have a multitude of device-tree files. The whole idea of single binary kernel for ARM is as absurd as having a single binary kernel for x86 and x86-64. Why would anybody want to be saddled with the chore of parsing device-tree info in the kernel on systems which are, arguably, mostly embedded systems where the hardware for a board is very well defined and add-on hardware is rare.

    There is a cost associated with having a single uber-kernel that can dynamically configure itself and load modules, etc. Save that cost for larger, desktop-like systems that require it. Leave us embedded folks out of your crazy schemes.

    PS. I know Linus screamed and sweared at the prolification of ARM board-specific files. Politics makes poor tech choices and now we have a prolification of device-tree files. Linus, you dumb f*ck, you didn't gain anything for anybody, you just pushed the problem away from yourself.

    1. Re:Single ARM kernel? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Why so? It makes sense to concentrate Ubuntu on a platform where Windows doesn't exist (unless MS directly works on it). Any x64 based platform will have Windows running, but only a few custom ARM builds will. So what Ubuntu has done here makes good sense. They can stage it on the Raspberry Pi or Beagleboards & be off to the races.

    2. Re:Single ARM kernel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I agree Ubuntu and all the distros should be actively pursuing the tablet and smartphone spaces (and others). I'm not ranting at the distros. The decision to force executing code to enumerate peripherals in a static, constrained, embedded system is just silly. It adds bloat and complexity. That decision was made by Linux kernel maintainers.

    3. Re:Single ARM kernel? by Terry+Pearson · · Score: 4, Interesting
      As someone who works on Linux on ARM projects, I would have to disagree. There are good reasons to bring devices into the tree.

      It really does make sense to have a single ARM kernel source with a device tree. This is not a single binary for all, but a single source tree. When you compile, it is not like you are getting all the bloat of a hundred different board packages. You use a different make script that pulls in the appropriate files. What it does give us is great templates to use when porting to similar sources.

      If you ever take a look at board manufacturers' kernel source, each distribution is often very different from another. It takes a while to reconcile it with mainline kernel source. And it is even more of a pain to upgrade to a new kernel when a board maker had some whacky code placed in there. By at least placing it in the device tree, it gives them the incentive to use a template of code that already exists. Then hopefully some of us have an easier time porting when we want to upgrade Kernels and such.

      I know it does not seem like it makes a lot of sense to some, but there really are good reasons for the change.

      P.S. The unified Kernel is a Linux issue as a whole, not just an Ubuntu thing.

    4. Re:Single ARM kernel? by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      Oh FFS... nothing is stopping YOU from compiling your OWN platform specific kernel for your particular board... this uber ARM kernel however makes things far simpler for everyday folk to just download an ARM live disk and install it onto a laptop that has an ARM processor without having to jump through a multitude of hoops to cross-compile an image for his specific processor... there are a lot of ARM based laptops and tablets that do have the resources to handle this and it would make it far easier to get Linux onto them. No hoping someone has already produced an image for your particular tablet... like I have to keep searching for a prebuilt custom Android ROM for my particular phone/tablet...

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  14. Re:Code names by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

    Tortured Tapir.

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  15. Re:Code names by SmilingBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know but it is very convenient when searching for information about the product. If it was called "Wooden Doors" you would have a lot of irrelevant search results. All results for a search for "Quantal Quetzal" will however be very relevant.

  16. opposed to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As opposed to Longhorn, Vista, Mavericks, Leopard, etc..? It's just a naming convention. It's an animal and a descriptive word. Trusty is a common word and a Tahr isn't exactly an uncommon animal. Nothing to do with open source, it's coding in general.

    1. Re:opposed to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the first time in my life I ever see the word Tahr and I'm over 40.

    2. Re:opposed to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Regretfully, your ignorance is not our fault.

    3. Re:opposed to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, it isn't just open source. Those are pretty stupid names too.

    4. Re:opposed to what? by Mashdar · · Score: 4, Funny

      I appear to be lacking in my knowledge of large Asian ungulates. Apologies to your mother.

    5. Re:opposed to what? by slasher999 · · Score: 2

      That is apparantly because most people would simply call them "goats".

    6. Re:opposed to what? by twosat · · Score: 1

      Tahr are quite common in some mountain areas of New Zealand. My uncle shoots them with his big rifle and his video camera, sometimes using both at the same time.

  17. It's not bad by willoughby · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been using it since the beta & it runs very well. Netflix & Steam install very quick & easy & run well.

    This is my longest experience with Unity & I've found it's not too bad, either. Experience with OSX helps get used to the non-menu way of selecting a program but in use it's really like a menu, anyway. (click the Ubuntu logo thingy [or super-a] -> apps -> internet -> firefox) And at least when you bring up the program selection it doesn't cover the entire desktop.

    I also like that they are trying to conserve vertical space by putting the launcher on the left edge instead of the bottom and eliminating the menu bar on windows. Moving the menus sounded odd 'till I learn why and , again, experience with Macs helps get used to it.

    But Unity is slow compared to other desktops, and very difficult to customize.

    I may still go back to XFCE just to get the 'right-click on the desktop for a menu' back. (or I could just install Windowmaker... hmmm)

    But overall Ubuntu 14.04 has been very stable & runs quite nicely.

    1. Re:It's not bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The software I care about only runs on Windows. Windows host is way less annoying that Windows guest. The various Unix flavors are all happy as guests. Until any of that changes I'm using a Windows host environment with VMs for everything else.

    2. Re:It's not bad by willoughby · · Score: 1

      I forgot to put in there that I'm running an Nvidia GeForce GT630 & using the proprietary driver.

    3. Re:It's not bad by TheBilgeRat · · Score: 1

      I've been running the beta as well. I can definitely recommend giving the ubuntu-branded lxde a go. It looks really really good, and is super fast. I was never really a fan of LXDE before this.

    4. Re:It's not bad by Mashdar · · Score: 1

      I don't know if they ever pulled their heads out of their collive ass, but when they first introduced that menu bar, you have no choice but to have it on the left, and if you had two monitors, it was on the left of your right-hand monitor. (I tried changing primaries, ports, etc, but it was literally hard-coded to be on the right-hand monitor.)
      This meant that the bar was in the middle of my field of vision at all times. Pretty damn annoying. And not letting me move it was a giant middle finger in my face.

  18. Seems more solid than past releases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I decided to upgrade awhile ago when the first beta came out, thinking that I could be helpful by submitting some bug reports. I've done this in the past and always had several crashes per day and filed plenty of bugs. This time I think I had two crashes total, while still in beta. It was almost disappointing in a way.

  19. Re:Code names by UriGagarin · · Score: 0

    WTF, I know I only post when the moon is in conjunction with Neptune and my blood sugar level is around 1000kg/ml but I posted that as me.

    Maybe I should try Beta (ducks and runs)

    *tries a few things*

    Feck, its been so long since I posted and its set up so stupidly that ticking your username means you want to post anonymously. yeah , right .

  20. Slashdot Beta update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's the official Slashdot Beta Progress Report from a couple of days ago if you missed it.

    1. Re:Slashdot Beta update by Anrego · · Score: 1

      I gave it a legit try. Still not a fan.

      I'll give them that the main page is better. I still wouldn't go so far as to say I like it, but it's at least got a reasonable amount of content for the space.

      The comment page is still terrible though. And really it's all about the comment page.

  21. Not a fan of Ubuntu anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The times I have used Linux I have made the choice to directly avoid Ubuntu at all costs. I used to think just the opposite before Unity interface and the fact Ubuntu has pretty much gone their own direction with open source. Which of course is fine, but it has not the path I chose.
    When you start making changes to the OS to better mold with other platforms like mobile and tablets. You start to make compromises. The user starts to be a guinea pig. If you are just a PC user there are plenty of better desktop OS choices in Linux then Ubuntu.

    1. Re:Not a fan of Ubuntu anymore by billstewart · · Score: 1

      So if you're still around, and not just drive-by trolling, what do you recommend other than Ubuntu or Mint? (I'm not counting Mint because there's already a thread about that.)

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  22. Congratulations to Ubuntu and Canonical! by benmhall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll be upgrading all of our Ubuntu 12.04 machines (and many 10.04 servers) over the coming months, and I'm looking forward to the changes.

    Canonical and Ubuntu have done more for desktop Linux than any other company I can think of. I look forward to their regular releases, strong committment to patches, and easy, reliable upgrades. As a sysadmin, they've made my life much easier on both server and desktop. Predictable releases and solid relationships with Dell, IBM, and HP mean that I can buy almost server or laptop and know that it will "just work."

    Thank you to the developers, backers, hackers, and community.

    1. Re:Congratulations to Ubuntu and Canonical! by benmhall · · Score: 1

      All patched up. Most machines were still running 10.04, which was unaffected. (Lucky me.)

    2. Re:Congratulations to Ubuntu and Canonical! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like you never heard of RHELD or SLED.

  23. The following comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The following comments will be related to at least one of these :
    a) how Canonical "sucks";
    b) how Mint/Debian/Windows is/are better than Ubuntu;
    c) how much you hate spyware and Amazon even tho it's opt-in;
    d) how much you hate Unity.

    1. Re:The following comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      c) how much you hate spyware and Amazon even tho it's opt-in;

      If it's enabled by default and I have to turn it off, that's opt-out, not opt-in.

  24. Re:Code names by UriGagarin · · Score: 1

    nice I also thought Thrushy Terrapin

  25. versions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux kernel v3.13.0-24.46

    That's why I hate you.
    ok, you've chosen 3.13, it's ok. But you ship with a 3.13.0... -24.46? what the hell? the vanilla kernel is just at its .9 release...

    just...why... all this backporting, maintaining different releases... all this useless work...

    1. Re:versions by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      Looks like someone doesn't understand the process of big distros bugfixing, releasing and supporting stable kernels.

  26. Please fix release notes link in summary by OneAhead · · Score: 4, Informative

    As of writing, the "release notes" link in the summary points to the upgrade instructions on nixCraft, whereas it presumably should have pointed to this:
    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Trusty...
    Please fix!

  27. @machineghost - Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for .. Mint by nukenerd · · Score: 1
    machineghost wrote :-

    I really don't see why anyone would still want to use Ubuntu when there is [Mint] an equally good (if not better) Debian/Ubuntu-based distro

    I don't see why anyone would want to use a distro based on Ubuntu [which is based on Debian] where there are equally good or better distros based on Debian directly.

  28. @AC - Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    Shuttleworth has done nothing but help the open source community in every way imaginable.

    You mean like commercialising his distro, splitting the community by taking his own direction away from Wayland, and ditto by taking his own direction with the GUI? Or did you intend irony?

    1. Re:@AC - Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by unrtst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not a fan of Mir, nor a big fan of Unity, but I've been around long enough to see those sort of changes happen in every distro.

      My personal favorite window manger was sawmill/sawfish, which was the default with gnome at one point in time. When it was replaced, the replacement didn't do half of the features I regularly used, so I kept using it. Then it became much more difficult to get working, so I dropped gnome and used some dumb little apps to get a desktop switcher and clock and such, and went pretty bare-bones. Then compiz got pretty stable, so I gave up and used that. wash/rinse/repeat for a ton of other things in life.

      People turned against KDE for a long while too due to licensing issues. AFAICT, that has continued to hurt their image, even though all those issues have been resolved. IMO, that did push KDE/QT to change, and also pushed gnome to improve. Someone has to push the ball forward. Mir may never actually take off. If Wayland gets there first (and yes, there still is plenty to be done), Ubuntu could easily swap it into place. Similar with Unity... it does do a better job with touch than many of the other options. It, like almost everything else there is, won't last forever. It's not hurting things as long as there are other options (you can even just grab a xubuntu or kubuntu spin if you want).

    2. Re:@AC - Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by tuck182 · · Score: 1

      I still miss sawfish. So customizable, and the undo feature on window move/resize was awesome.

    3. Re:@AC - Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the point is neither of these are attacks on the open source community. They're arguably attacks - albeit mere criticisms of - on "GNOME/Linux", but that's not the same thing.

      A company contributing bodies and work to a community is helping it, not harming it. It's up to us to decide if we want Mir and Unity. We're not harmed by their existence. And FWIW, anyone arguing that Mir is terrible because it undermines Wayland isn't thinking this through, both because there's a much greater case for saying Wayland is damaging to the future of GNU/Linux, and because Mir has changed the politics whereby Wayland was once an obscure thing nobody was taking any notice of, but Mir basically turned the entire argument from "Should we replace X11 with Wayland?" (Hell no) to "OK, should we use Mir or Wayland [abandonment of X11 is implied to be a settled issue.]"

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    4. Re:@AC - Re:*Yawn* I'll Wait for the Mint Edition by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      I still miss sawfish. So customizable, and the undo feature on window move/resize was awesome.

      Yeah, but -- lisp! :( (Personally I was rather fond of IceWM back in the day, and contributed a bit of code to it. Customisability wasn't it's strong suit, but it was so damn fast on the crappy hardware I had fifteen years ago ...)

      FWIW, Ubuntu still has both sawfish and icewm available as packages, not that'll stop the clowns here complaining that Unity took away all their desktop choices ...

  29. But... by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 0

    ...does it run Linux? Can you build a Beowulf cluster using this?

    Yes of course it does.

    The whole Linux/Windows divide reminds me of the Reformation, with the Protestant denominations in endless schism on the pretext of maintaining doctrinal purity.

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    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to be in any kind of schism than in some kind of misnomered pagan mother

  30. Re:Code names by binarylarry · · Score: 1

    Hairy Hardon was the best release.

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  31. Re:Code names by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Dishonerable Discharge release is scheduled for 2016.

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  32. Re:Code names by Scragglykat · · Score: 1

    Really? Not one Tremendous Tit? Maybe even two?

  33. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You forgot:

    e) how Mir / Wayland are totally and completely useless because they're not natively network transparent;
    f) how Mark Shuttleworth is the fucking anti-christ

  34. Re:Code names by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

    Not in Linux.

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  35. Mavericks, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And which idiot in the Apple marketing department came up with the name "Mavericks"? Wasn't Maverick Meerkat release four years ago?

    1. Re:Mavericks, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly I wish they had waiting until the next OS X release, then it would have been 10.10 Mavericks...

  36. Re; It's not bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... trying to conserve vertical space by putting the launcher on the left edge instead of the bottom and eliminating the menu bar on windows ... "

    Incorrect, eliminating the menu bar on windows and using a universal menu bar at the top of the screen does not conserve any space, and hasn't since the invention of overlapping windows. It does however increase the space both your vision and mouse must traverse to actually use the menu making it less efficient to operate.

    1. Re:Re; It's not bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing you can put the menu bar in the title now, then.

  37. Re:Code names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming you can spell it correctly.

  38. Funky Gibbon by turgid · · Score: 1

    After over three decades, we're still anticipating the release of Funky Gibbon.

    C'mon everybody it's gibbon time!

    1. Re:Funky Gibbon by AkkarAnadyr · · Score: 1

      Gimme an Ooooooo!

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      Ain't no h'aint gonna run me off

  39. Re:Code names by slapout · · Score: 1

    You mean like "You should download and installed 'Trusty Tahr' then you can use 'Gnome' to run 'GIMP'"?

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  40. Australian server not updated yet by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    I don't want to hit the main ubuntu server for updates. Maybe the push sync to the au server is broken. Hopefully somebody will look at it before tuesday.

  41. Re:Code names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Surely Transgender Tortoisekin would be more apt in this day and age of Social Justice.

  42. Re:Code names by ComputersKai · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu
    Y U No update faster?

    Well, time to upgrade from 12.04. Anyways, thanks for the new LTS release!

  43. Re:I came by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As dumb as your post is, I'm really grateful you at least included an apostrophe where it was required.

  44. Re:Linux since 1995 but now I've Windows (on deskt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So Windows 8 is good enough for me to continue without changing my (Linux) habits, and it has the superior hardware support. Sorry, Ubuntu.

    Whatever happened to open-source idealism?

    It works well enough, but you just need to sign on the dots here for your soul....

    Good for you that you're happy with your setup, but what does it have to do with a new ubuntu release?

    I sometimes miss the early days (1994 for me) when *nothing* worked out of the box (try copying 41 floppies for a 'distribution' consisting of a literal dump of an ftp server's /pub/ dir and a slightly outdated readme. floppy 39 is bound to be bad, forcing you to cycle back to the university to re-download nr 39 on a fresh floppy).
    and everybody whas so thrilled to have something without corporate strings attached.

    Nowadays it's whinewhinewhine all day. Even though I also get tired of switching to a new windowmanager each 5 years and re-learning everything every 3 it's still awesome how far gnu/linux has come. And when I worry too much abount X vs mir vs wayland I think back to 1996, when the choice was fbdev vs X and everybody went for X but I liked fbdev soo much better... and then I stop worrying and just assume it'll work out somehow :-)

  45. a following comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The following comments will be related to at least one of these :

    Well, any reply to your comment should be related to your comment!

    a) how Canonical "sucks";

    How?

    b) how Mint/Debian/Windows is/are better than Ubuntu;

    In many ways!

    c) how much you hate spyware and Amazon even tho it's opt-in;

    I do hate spyware (and there is no "opt-in" spyware) VERY MUCH - so... what's with that "Amazon thing" (i still run 12.04) or any other spyware newer versions have as an "option"?

    d) how much you hate Unity.

    VERY MUCH - that's why i install Gnome-classic (or something like that - after couple of years i forgot what i have intalled!)

    (where is the "quote" function? WHERE IS THE "FUCK BETA" TAG?)

  46. "with only 256GB SSD has no room for two OS" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did I read that correctly?

  47. Sounds gooey by Tubepunk · · Score: 1

    I'm not a woolly mammoth, but the release name sounds really gooey, very easy for critics to pan the release in case something goes south: my Trusty Tar install got stuck at the boot logo.

  48. mee to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mee to one yr ago

  49. Opportunity for Ubuntu - support dropped for XP by trustedtraveler · · Score: 2

    This new release is timely. I assume that those interested in increasing the user base of ubuntu did not miss the significance of this news about XP. The number I've heard tossed around is 30% of existing PC's run XP and it is now being recommended that they stop using it. I was disturbed to hear a major network news channel recommend that XP users either buy win8 or buy a new computer. Anyone interested in promoting linux distros should not pass up this opportunity.

  50. Re:Code names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wascally Wabbit, Elmer Fuds favorite release

  51. What's the closest JEOS equivalent? by billstewart · · Score: 1

    JEOS (Just Enough Operating System) used to be a sub-version of Ubuntu, with a minimal server edition; anything else you wanted was an apt-get install away. But there hasn't been a real JEOS version since about 8.04 or so, and with virtual machines these days I have a need for a lot of small-disk-footprint VMs. Is there something that's relatively similar, with basic networking and maybe a LAMP stack?

    It would be nice to have a basic X windows environment, but I don't need big piles of Gnome or KDE, and I definitely don't need OpenOffice or lots of the other fun tools. Thanks!

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    1. Re:What's the closest JEOS equivalent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A debian netinstall installed without any network access is a good barebone : you pretty much get a kernel, a shell, a package manager and a ssh server. Edit /etc/network/interfaces and you have a small footprint debian.

    2. Re:What's the closest JEOS equivalent? by benmhall · · Score: 1

      The Server Edition is pretty minimal. If you're looking for X anyway, I'd just start with Server and add what you need. Yes, it's bigger than JEOS, but it also has all of your bases covered. Removing packages is trivial anyway.

      I typically start with Server, if it's a physical machine, and lubuntu-desktop. Sure, I waste a few hundred MB, but it saves me time and gives any other admin, even on ewith limited Linux experience, a pretty recognizable and usable environment without the bulk of things like an office suite.

  52. Which OpenSSL? by billstewart · · Score: 1

    I assume Tahr had to go retest everything with OpenSSL updated to avoid the Heartbleed bug?

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    1. Re:Which OpenSSL? by Atti+K. · · Score: 1

      Well, I just upgraded, and openssl version says: OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014. So, is it vulnerable?

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    2. Re:Which OpenSSL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. Ubuntu patches the vulnerability, but keeps the version string the same. It's a little annoying since the university penetration testing says patched servers are vulnerable :)

  53. Re:Code names by yanyan · · Score: 1

    I'm waiting for Priapic Penis.

    It's gonna be big.

  54. Re:Code names by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 1

    Or it just adds to the confusion:

    'Are you running Trust Tahr?'

    'Um...'

    'Or 14.04?'

    'Yes?'


    If the numbers were arbitrary you would have an excellent point. But if I can place in my head about when I installed it, then that is the version I search on. Quick - when was Hardy Herring? Did you have to go look?

    And yeah, I *know*.

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  55. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh boo hoo.

    Babby can't go 5 minutes without doing a oopsie in the big scary config file.

    Windows is probably the best place for you, or anything else with a nice comfy fisher-price interface.

    Alternatively, man the fuck up.

  56. Re:Code names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you mean Crusty Cunt, which was Ubuntu's seminal release.

    wow... a cunt is next ubuntus line up :d nice

  57. Re:Code names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Crusty Cunt". Sounds like the big boss in a very odd video game.

  58. Re:Code names by paulatz · · Score: 1

    Quick - when was Hardy Herring? Did you have to go look?

    I completely agree with this. I'm do not use Ubuntu regularly, but sometimes I have to help people who do. I do not know the names by hearth, I guess I can just do cat /etc/issue and get it? Nope! There is only says the version number. Ok, no problem, I'll google the number. No way, in the support forums everybody just uses the code name. Finally I have to check on wikipedia whatever name version 12.04 has.

    To be fair, there is the same exact problem with Debian. It is true that Debian only has had like 6 releases since the beginning of time, but it adds the extra complexity layer of calling them stable, unstable and testing. So, let's check if debian 5.0 support this.. no information. Let's try if google for lenny returns something? Nope. Ok, let's see google for "debian stable" then manually check every result to see if it was published between 2009 and 2011.

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  59. Re:Code names by monzie · · Score: 1

    AH! Now I got why they went with that name. I begged them to use "Horny Hustler" but this is one gives more relevant and less interesting results.

  60. Re:Code names by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

    I completely agree with this. I'm do not use Ubuntu regularly, but sometimes I have to help people who do. I do not know the names by hearth, I guess I can just do cat /etc/issue and get it? Nope! There is only says the version number. Ok, no problem, I'll google the number. No way, in the support forums everybody just uses the code name. Finally I have to check on wikipedia whatever name version 12.04 has.

    At least for Ubuntu, checking /etc/apt/source.list will give you one of the words in the version you're running... for instance, I can tell my test game server box is running "precise" and typing "precise ubuntu" into Google tells me it's Precise Pangolin.

    Which happens to be the 12.04 release.

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  61. Re:Code names by JRV31 · · Score: 1

    Do you mean "welease".

  62. Re: by JRV31 · · Score: 1

    And I thought Steve Jobs was the anti-christ.

  63. Re:Code names by Optali · · Score: 1

    You are right, "20" like in Fedora 20 is a really stupid and ugly sounding code name that refers to such an extremely obscure subject as the natural numbers bigger than 19. Not nearly so cool as 8 or 8.1 (it even has a decimal, mind you!)

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  64. Upgrading Lots of Machines from a Cache? by billstewart · · Score: 2

    So is there any way to cache Ubuntu upgrades, which would let my large collection of virtual and physical lab machines all fetch them from the LAN instead of the each one having to drag them across its WAN? Might as well fetch the official copy just once, and have everything else update at gigabit speeds.

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  65. XP not more, Ubuntu also ... Lubuntu or Xubuntu ar by ooo00ooo · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu will not work with old pc running XP, not since unity ... Better option are Lubuntu or Xubuntu ...

  66. Ubuntu efforts by Marianowo · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu should put more efforts on the stability of the operating system rather than features. Is more unstable and slow in every version.

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