You forgot about gravity; plenty of that on a sub to pull particles from the air.
Think about all the excrements that come from the human body. Eyes, Ears, Nose, Skin, Hair, Nails, Lungs, Mouth, Anus, Urethra. Don't forget about new materials shedding as well. Fibers from clothing, molecules of plastics. on and on. Now mix in water, food and heat along with bacteria and molds.
Breathe all that into your lungs for too long and your going to get very sick.
Radiation, atrophy, and psychology are yet another matter.
What I find so fascinating about humans in space is that there really is *no* space for us humans.
The living conditions are horrific.
Star Trek has really lobotomized the public about what it will be like to live in space; at least for the near future.
The MIR station had over 200 organisms growing on the crystal port window. The smell inside was like a dirty locker room full of moldy socks. The moon is like living in an ashtray. No showers, no proper waste disposal. Humans slough off 3 grams of skin per day, never mind shaving your face. Where does all that go without gravity to conveniently collect it? Breathing that conglomerate into your lungs is very unhealthy. Sweating is a big problem with water loss adding to the Petri dish of the living space. The list goes on with all the health concerns and morphing changes ones body goes through.
Space is *not* as glamorous as we are lead to believe.
This story is really getting hased out on the news portals.
Good idea or bad? Does it really matter?
Wasn't Jordon who was quoted as saying, "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
So go ahead and try I say.
Some interesting revelations should come out of all this if nothing else.
1) What topics China is sensative to will be open to world review.
2) What Google and China do with the information and how it affects human rights will be under the public microscope and help renew debate.
It might seem a bad idea to offer laptops over water, food and shelter, especially to governments/organizations, who in the past have held donations at ransom or misappropriated funds.
However, one can only hope, there are some smarter distribution plans this time. As to the value;
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day... Teach a man how to fish, and feed him for a lifetime.
Won't get into the debate about good vs evil. In God we trust, the rest of us pay cash.
What I am interested in, is that by censoring the content, China's administration will be revealing all the issues it is sensative to.
Although some are obvious, there may be other issues we do not know about yet.
Before we go shooting down this decision, let's see what China wants to hide. No doubt, someone here is smart enough to scrape google for that list, in case they don't publicly reveal it.
Further, I'd like to know if Google will hand over information to help prosecute those with blocked content.
Well good timeing on this story. As I write this, it is raining here when it should be snowing. At night, we sleep with the windows open when they should be closed. During the day, we see bicycles and motorbikes when there should be sleds.
Sorry man, but your not going to convince me. Lived here for most of my life and NEVER has the weather been like this. Again today we broke temps from 1892.
There are bicycles and motorbikes on the roads! Never seen that in January and no one else here has either.
There is NO moisture and it is +9C at night! The weather has never been like this in recorded history.
The area of collection is small in comparison to the orbital space, however, over time everything should coalesce into one manageable unit as it sweeps overhead.
Then if possible, direct it to a solar trajectory or burn it up in the atmosphere.
Another option could be to offer commercial ventures incentives to collect space junk. The items returned are paid back per weight. Some smartass will figure out that eBay buyers will also pay big bucks for a piece of historic space junk.
Anyway, just some thoughts. No doubt the problem is a difficult one to solve.
Perhaps when we make first contact, some alien race offers space junk cleanup at a good discount. "No Earth credits refused! Order now and get free mystery rocks!"
"SCOPE will focus on existing open specifications it believes best meets the needs of Service Providers."
Why does that scare me?
"SCOPE will not create specifications, but it will establish profiles" "What is a profile? A profile is a subset of the already existing specification from the standardization bodies like PIGMG, OSDL, SA Forum and others. This subset - or profile - reflects the technical requirements regarding the interfaces and building blocks to form a Carrier Grade Base Platform to meet the Service Providers' requirements."
So they are going to cherry pick what they feel is the compliment of standards to clump together?
Why does that scare me?
"It will leverage the extensive mutual membership between SCOPE and other related organizations."
Why does that...never mind.
"Gap analysis: If the previous requirement analysis points out missing options or features, they are documented and individual member companies work with specification organizations to address these gaps."
ok..that sounds good.
"If SCOPE didn't exist, what would the impact be on COTS adoption in the carrier Grade Platform space? SCOPE provides guidance to the ecosystem without which the COTS adoption of Carrier Grade Platform standards and specifications would be a slower process. SCOPE considers all relevant standards and specifications in a Carrier Grade Platform context and will identify any gap, promote and enable consistency across all relevant standards and specifications. Due to the richness and flexibility of existing standards and specifications, the market would likely be fragmented and the advantages of economies of scale would be lost."
This should have been in the main body of the story. It seems more to the point.
Hope this new collaboration is a good thing for consumers. Hell has a road paved with good intentions.
So if we can't even clean up some small space junk hundreds of kilometers from Earth, what makes people think they have even a remote chance of diverting an asteroid?
No doubt the problems are different, but discouraging none the less.
good answer. More interesting is that this model seems to exist at every level of society. Politics for example, take total advantage of this consumer mentality.
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You forgot about gravity; plenty of that on a sub to pull particles from the air.
Think about all the excrements that come from the human body.
Eyes, Ears, Nose, Skin, Hair, Nails, Lungs, Mouth, Anus, Urethra.
Don't forget about new materials shedding as well.
Fibers from clothing, molecules of plastics. on and on.
Now mix in water, food and heat along with bacteria and molds.
Breathe all that into your lungs for too long and your going to get very sick.
Radiation, atrophy, and psychology are yet another matter.
lol
Agree that eventually we will overcome these obstacles.
But don't sugar coat it too much.
Space is far more hostile than the Pacific Northwest.
What I find so fascinating about humans in space is that there really is *no* space for us humans.
The living conditions are horrific.
Star Trek has really lobotomized the public about what it will be like to live in space; at least for the near future.
The MIR station had over 200 organisms growing on the crystal port window.
The smell inside was like a dirty locker room full of moldy socks.
The moon is like living in an ashtray.
No showers, no proper waste disposal.
Humans slough off 3 grams of skin per day, never mind shaving your face.
Where does all that go without gravity to conveniently collect it?
Breathing that conglomerate into your lungs is very unhealthy.
Sweating is a big problem with water loss adding to the Petri dish of the living space.
The list goes on with all the health concerns and morphing changes ones body goes through.
Space is *not* as glamorous as we are lead to believe.
Before deciding where to put us humans, its obvious we need to go where the water is first and foremost.
Otherwise, that ashtray we call the moon is going to be pretty darn inhospitable.
Send the rovers to explore the possibilities.
This story is really getting hased out on the news portals.
Good idea or bad? Does it really matter?
Wasn't Jordon who was quoted as saying,
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
So go ahead and try I say.
Some interesting revelations should come out of all this if nothing else.
1) What topics China is sensative to will be open to world review.
2) What Google and China do with the information and how it affects human rights will be under the public microscope and help renew debate.
lol!
Now that I could do with my crank driven laptop.
doh!
The project: http://laptop.media.mit.edu/
It might seem a bad idea to offer laptops over water, food and shelter, especially to governments/organizations, who in the past have held donations at ransom or misappropriated funds.
However, one can only hope, there are some smarter distribution plans this time.
As to the value;
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day...
Teach a man how to fish, and feed him for a lifetime.
Best to think of the project in these terms, no?
pardon me...I see some mods are now actually awake.
How is this an offtopic question?
I'd like to know the answer.
Won't get into the debate about good vs evil.
In God we trust, the rest of us pay cash.
What I am interested in, is that by censoring the content, China's administration will be revealing all the issues it is sensative to.
Although some are obvious, there may be other issues we do not know about yet.
Before we go shooting down this decision, let's see what China wants to hide.
No doubt, someone here is smart enough to scrape google for that list, in case they don't publicly reveal it.
Further, I'd like to know if Google will hand over information to help prosecute those with blocked content.
Well good timeing on this story.
As I write this, it is raining here when it should be snowing.
At night, we sleep with the windows open when they should be closed.
During the day, we see bicycles and motorbikes when there should be sleds.
Something is wrong.
Very very wrong.
Excellent Open Source CMS system
http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu/
Sorry man, but your not going to convince me.
Lived here for most of my life and NEVER has the weather been like this.
Again today we broke temps from 1892.
There are bicycles and motorbikes on the roads!
Never seen that in January and no one else here has either.
There is NO moisture and it is +9C at night!
The weather has never been like this in recorded history.
We are cooking!
good tip!
How about a Space Net that scoops up debris?
The area of collection is small in comparison to the orbital space, however, over time everything should coalesce into one manageable unit as it sweeps overhead.
Then if possible, direct it to a solar trajectory or burn it up in the atmosphere.
Another option could be to offer commercial ventures incentives to collect space junk. The items returned are paid back per weight.
Some smartass will figure out that eBay buyers will also pay big bucks for a piece of historic space junk.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
No doubt the problem is a difficult one to solve.
Perhaps when we make first contact, some alien race offers space junk cleanup at a good discount. "No Earth credits refused! Order now and get free mystery rocks!"
lol, that would be funny more than tragic.
ok, so forget that outrageous thought.
How about some sort of roving unit that shoots these things down?
They are doing the star wars thing anyway, give em something to shoot at.
"SCOPE will focus on existing open specifications it believes best meets the needs of Service Providers."
...never mind.
Why does that scare me?
"SCOPE will not create specifications, but it will establish profiles"
"What is a profile?
A profile is a subset of the already existing specification from the standardization bodies
like PIGMG, OSDL, SA Forum and others. This subset - or profile - reflects the technical
requirements regarding the interfaces and building blocks to form a Carrier Grade Base
Platform to meet the Service Providers' requirements."
So they are going to cherry pick what they feel is the compliment of standards to clump together?
Why does that scare me?
"It will leverage the extensive
mutual membership between SCOPE and other related organizations."
Why does that
"Gap analysis: If the previous requirement analysis points out missing options or features,
they are documented and individual member companies work with specification
organizations to address these gaps."
ok..that sounds good.
"If SCOPE didn't exist, what would the impact be on COTS adoption in the carrier Grade
Platform space?
SCOPE provides guidance to the ecosystem without which the COTS adoption of Carrier
Grade Platform standards and specifications would be a slower process.
SCOPE considers all relevant standards and specifications in a Carrier Grade Platform
context and will identify any gap, promote and enable consistency across all relevant
standards and specifications.
Due to the richness and flexibility of existing standards and specifications, the market would
likely be fragmented and the advantages of economies of scale would be lost."
This should have been in the main body of the story.
It seems more to the point.
Hope this new collaboration is a good thing for consumers.
Hell has a road paved with good intentions.
Actually, could that be a possible solution?
Rain down on the largest concentration of junk with a directed blast towards Earth to cover a wide area.
Never mind...just grasp at straws.
So if we can't even clean up some small space junk hundreds of kilometers from Earth, what makes people think they have even a remote chance of diverting an asteroid?
m l
No doubt the problems are different, but discouraging none the less.
http://impact.arc.nasa.gov/
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0726/p01s04-stss.ht
T-shirts, lol!
good answer.
More interesting is that this model seems to exist at every level of society.
Politics for example, take total advantage of this consumer mentality.
Good idea.
What links exist to contact these representatives?
More to the point, it would be nice if these representatives were as aggresive as the RIAA.
Maybe they'll clue in when 180 infects their computers.
Sure wish we could pit RIAA against 180.
Why is it that we can have organizations like the RIAA to protect industry interests, yet there is no one to protect the interests of consumers?
rofl.
yep, I would have opted in.