Except that without the patents, Google doesn't have a good offense either...meaning you have to come up with a new situation, one that actually describes the position that Google is in.
Jointly purchasing the patents would have provided far less protection than solely owning them.
And here's the point that I think most everyone is arguing over. Some, like you, believe this to be the case. Others, like Gruber, call bullshit on this line of thinking saying that owning patents is the same as sharing ownership of the patents, and Google is whining now that they're not in the ownership circle.
1. Patent trolls don't go after large, rich companies that own lots of patents.
2. Google doesn't care about the phone makers. If they did, they'd force them to not hack Android so much. And they'd buy patents to protect them. Neither of which they're doing.
So explain why it's ok that Google was willing to pay $3B to buy the patents alone and protect themselves, but not willing to go in with all the other major mobile OS mfgrs to assure mutual protection.
Because that's really the point where people are telling Google to shut their whiny pie-holes.
You might want to go look at some sales figures from Apple lately. It won't justify your 'companies probably don't use Macs, iPhones or iPads, so I don't need to answer support questions' line of reasoning. Especially when you compare it to other vendor's sales numbers.
My guess is you'll need an Apple server to answer all of my questions.
So tell us what you actually use in a practical way.
What do you use for filesharing that can provide near instant search results across 500,000 files of 10+TB? What do you use to support iOS devices? What do you use to support end user Macs?
These aren't my specific issues. I was using them as an example of what people could lose. Yes, lots & lots of people store photos, emails, documents, etc in one place.
And any billing/money issues always go through a third party. You can't really back up money.
You can't push the Google+ issues aside, because these losses are the consequence of those issues.
Testing != real life. You actually tie things to an account in real life.
If they block my account, I can lose access to my email, photos, custom setups, calendars, documents, voicemail/phone number, blog pages, adsense accounts, billing, credit card info, perhaps actual money from adsense.
Everywhere I've ever worked that was big enough to want offsite data storage, there's been a shipping/receiver position. Cost? Maybe $100/yr. Not enough to be meaningful.
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Except that without the patents, Google doesn't have a good offense either...meaning you have to come up with a new situation, one that actually describes the position that Google is in.
Except that without the patents, Google doesn't have a good offense either...
Jointly purchasing the patents would have provided far less protection than solely owning them.
And here's the point that I think most everyone is arguing over. Some, like you, believe this to be the case. Others, like Gruber, call bullshit on this line of thinking saying that owning patents is the same as sharing ownership of the patents, and Google is whining now that they're not in the ownership circle.
1. Patent trolls don't go after large, rich companies that own lots of patents.
2. Google doesn't care about the phone makers. If they did, they'd force them to not hack Android so much. And they'd buy patents to protect them. Neither of which they're doing.
So being able to sue is a better business strategy than not being able to be sued?
I'm going to have to go get an MBA in order to understand the logic of that one.
So explain why it's ok that Google was willing to pay $3B to buy the patents alone and protect themselves, but not willing to go in with all the other major mobile OS mfgrs to assure mutual protection.
Because that's really the point where people are telling Google to shut their whiny pie-holes.
You might want to go look at some sales figures from Apple lately. It won't justify your 'companies probably don't use Macs, iPhones or iPads, so I don't need to answer support questions' line of reasoning. Especially when you compare it to other vendor's sales numbers.
My guess is you'll need an Apple server to answer all of my questions.
So tell us what you actually use in a practical way.
What do you use for filesharing that can provide near instant search results across 500,000 files of 10+TB?
What do you use to support iOS devices?
What do you use to support end user Macs?
Which is to say, every day thousands of planes land just fine with wi-fi and cellular signals beaming out from dozens of electronic devices.
Which is to say not at all?
Sweet. How do we get in early?
A really big circle?
I don't even know what this means.
Fine, 1000%. Happy???
But somebody just put out a paper saying that wasn't happening!
No, just an old college nickname.
And what exactly do you think you'll be getting in 2025?
Whiiiiiich was my point.
Or humans.
Hell, 20 years ago, a 1983 VW rabbit could get 54 mpg.
These aren't my specific issues. I was using them as an example of what people could lose. Yes, lots & lots of people store photos, emails, documents, etc in one place.
And any billing/money issues always go through a third party. You can't really back up money.
You can't push the Google+ issues aside, because these losses are the consequence of those issues.
Testing != real life. You actually tie things to an account in real life.
If they block my account, I can lose access to my email, photos, custom setups, calendars, documents, voicemail/phone number, blog pages, adsense accounts, billing, credit card info, perhaps actual money from adsense.
See here for a list of what can be taken from you.
http://www.google.com/intl/en/about/products/index.html
Granted, it's a free service with no guarantees, but that doesn't mean there isn't real impact on real people.
Like album covers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer
Everywhere I've ever worked that was big enough to want offsite data storage, there's been a shipping/receiver position. Cost? Maybe $100/yr. Not enough to be meaningful.
How is that any different than a 500GB hard drive? The box is slightly bigger, but so what?