I'm all for freedom of speech but i don't support anyone who would take other's freedom away. I'm uninstalling the freenet, sorry.
By uninstalling freenet, you just took away people's freedom to use your node of freenet. So do you not support yourself?
Obviously, that is a rhetorical question, meant to illustrate that anytime you try and wrap your personal preferences in the logic of freedom, you will end up with a contradiction. You point of view is perfectly acceptable - but it is based on the fact that you think the ability to be free from child porn is more important than the absolute freedom of speech. I am not arguing with your point of view, merely with the illogical way you expressed it.
I've looked at some wiki systems but the choices seem overwhelming, and most of them are geared towards collaborative rather than individual work. Is there some wiki or database system that does what I need, or should I be looking for something in an entirely different paradigm?"
but much as I want a G5 and like the look-and-feel of Mac OS X, you have to admit that a bunch of overheating 1GHz G4's were significantly less cost effective than a similar bunch of P4 Xeons at the time the render farm was built.
My guess is that you think of your OS choice as a religion or a political statement, which makes you just as bad as pro-MS zealots.
Ah yes, the logic of equivalency. I suppose that people who fought against Hitler are just as bad as people who supported him? And policemen who try and stop murder are just as bad as the criminals who commit murder?
My OS choice is a political statement, and as close to a religious statement as I will ever get. What is wrong with that? Why is it better to choose an operating system on technical merits then on ethical ones? And why do people continuously assert that in any way including ethics in a technical decision is wrong?
You should be happy your roommate isn't nailing the bejeezus out of some sexy college girl gone wild.
Why exactly should he be happy that he is missing out on a live girls gone wild? He is posting to slashdot - it is probably the closest he will ever come to real sex.
I tend to agree with everything you said. You are right that adding more ways to do something does not necessairly equal power. However, the ability to click on a file to rename it makes a file manager more powerful to me. Personally, I have never had a problem with accidentally renaming files because of this feature. It sounds as if others have though, so maybe the default behavior of nautilus is better for most people.
Otherwise, as Havoc P would say, your GUI begins to resemble a programming language.
I am intrigued by this quote. I have never heard it before, but to me, the perfect file manager would resemble a programming language. The ability to have some sort of built in scripting so that I could, say take all the files in a folder named The_Clash_-_*.mp3 and change them to clash_-_*.mp3 would be incredible. Right now, this requires a little bit of perl, which is tolerable, but not necessairly beautiful.
No offense, but I don't think that parent post is so terribly insightful.. IMHO the difficulty in this particular case is exactly the same: press END (highlight gone, cursor at the end), 3 times BACKSPACE, type the new extension.
Unfortunately, moving my hand to end requires me to take it off the keyboard. It is much easire to use the right arrow, which I can barely reach with my pinkie. On windows, one press of the right arrow gets me to the end of the name, whereas in nautilus, it takes three presses. It is not a big deal, I just use a different file manager, of as you say, use regexps. I suppose the ability to modify everything but the extension is nice for many people, but for me, typing a name and an extension is about the same effort as typing a name. As long as I don't have to move my hand from the keyboard, I am happy.
Windows and Mac UIs are polished (mostly), but not nearly as powerful KDE or Gnome
How many ways can you rename a file in windows?
4. You can click on the filename and wait, you can choose reanme from the top menu, you can choose rename from the context menu, and you can hit F2.
How many ways can you rename a file in nautilus?
3. You can choose rename from the top menu, from the context menu, or you can hit F2.
In my mind, this makes windows more powerful than nautilus.
Of course, if you include all the file managers and command line utilities, you could quickly get into triple digits for number of ways to rename a file in linux, and the same is probably true of windows.
But the point is that by default, windows is more powerful, and nautilus is simpler.
Don't take this as a criticism of linux - it is the only operating system I use, and has been for years. But it is still true.
Care to provide any information on why you think the windows and mac interface are better?
I never said the mac and windows interfaces are better. I said that in this instance, mac and windows are more powerful and linux is simpler.
I am sure you read the thread, so you know I am referring to the fact that there are more ways to rename a file in windows and mac than there are in nautilus.
As I have pointed out elsewhere, there are plenty of options for linux, so I can just use a different file manager. I just wanted to point out how interesting it was that linux is now considered by some to be the simple alternative to the complexity of mac and windows - something that would have been unbeliveable had you suggested it 3 years ago.
The problem is it's too easy and gets triggered by accident often. Gnome doesn't have this problem (and niether does KDE)
Ironically, we are now in the position that windows and mac are more powerful than gnome and kde. Gnome and kde, on the other hand, are locked down by the developers to behave in certain specific ways that are considered "intuitive".
Luckily, we have so much choice in linux, and I am sure there will always be filemanagers for users who want power, not simplicity. Still, it is a strange world when linux gui's are being complemented for being less powerful then windows and mac.
The article does show why linux is more user-friendly than windows, but not in the way that the author intends.
He claims that file-renaming is better in nautilus because the only way to do it is through a context menu, and furthermore, the filename without extension is highlighted by default. Personally, I find both of those "features" terribly annoying. Quite often, all I want to do is change the extension on a file. Nautilus' behavior makes this much harder than it is in windows.
But the great thing is that there are plenty of file managers for linux, and even plenty built specifically for gnome. So I just use a different one that I like better. Choice is what makes linux better than windows, not the default behavior of one app.
I am honest in all my dealings except the occasional shoplift from Barnes & Noble.
Did you know that there are these places where you can get books without paying for them? They are called libraries. If you went there, you could consider yourself honest in all of your dealings, without an "except..."
It puts every fact - when issued by the Blair govt - in quotes, to make it look suspicious
Yea, that really bothers me too. Things like Saddams WMDs. I wish they had just reported as fact that Saddam had WMDs, like we did here in the US. It is totally rediculous that a news agency would question the government.
Something that will autoconfigure the desktop (using voice commands of course, not this obsolete keyboard thing) while serving me a pint of Guinness at the same time...
Actually, the current kernels do this. Here is how:
1) go on IRC on a linux channel, and say something like "man linux really sucks - on windows, I can just double click on a cd icon and it will install the drivers, but when i try that in linux, it never works"
2) this will offend some guru's view that linux is perfect, so he will try and help. act confused and self-righteous at the same time
3) eventually, suggest it would be easier if he came over and set things up for you himself. mention that you are thinking of going back to windows since it is easier.
4) when he gets there, sit on the couch and let him work. every once in a while, yell stuff at him, like "set up my usb camera" or "install the nvidia drivers". always finish a request with "on windows, it just works" - this is the action command to the linux guru/kernel interface
5) to get the guiness feature, simply say "I think longhorn is going to have a beer pouring feature built-in. does linux do that?"
I used to feel the same way, but I was absolutely amazed when I upgraded to 1.1. Just for fun, I tried opening a complex Word document. Everything was absolutely perfect. Every equation came out exactly right, the pictures were all correct, the formatting was right, even the images drawn in Word with multiple layers were right.
I am not suprised that they are still getting some things wrong (as you claim), since it is such a complicated thing to do well, but after seeing how amazing 1.1 was, I have no doubt that I will eventually be able to actually use OO interchangably with Word.
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I'm all for freedom of speech but i don't support anyone who would take other's freedom away.
I'm uninstalling the freenet, sorry.
By uninstalling freenet, you just took away people's freedom to use your node of freenet. So do you not support yourself?
Obviously, that is a rhetorical question, meant to illustrate that anytime you try and wrap your personal preferences in the logic of freedom, you will end up with a contradiction. You point of view is perfectly acceptable - but it is based on the fact that you think the ability to be free from child porn is more important than the absolute freedom of speech. I am not arguing with your point of view, merely with the illogical way you expressed it.
Am I the only one who thinks that could cause a lot of problems?
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yes, you are the only one.
well, besides the 50 people above you who have said the same thing.
and the 300 hundred who posted it in the previous article.
and the 300 who posted it in the article before that.
and the thousands who read the comments and agreed but didn't post.
and the tens of thousands who didn't both to read the comments, because they knew what most of them would say, but still agreed
and the millions who don't read slashdot, but would agree if they understood.
but besides that, you are the only one.
Submitter asks:
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I've looked at some wiki systems but the choices seem overwhelming, and most of them are geared towards collaborative rather than individual work. Is there some wiki or database system that does what I need, or should I be looking for something in an entirely different paradigm?"
And you respond with:
That's what wiki / blog software is all about.
Talk about helpful
but much as I want a G5 and like the look-and-feel of Mac OS X, you have to admit that a bunch of overheating 1GHz G4's were significantly less cost effective than a similar bunch of P4 Xeons at the time the render farm was built.
Yea, i think that was the point.
My guess is that you think of your OS choice as a religion or a political statement, which makes you just as bad as pro-MS zealots.
Ah yes, the logic of equivalency. I suppose that people who fought against Hitler are just as bad as people who supported him? And policemen who try and stop murder are just as bad as the criminals who commit murder?
My OS choice is a political statement, and as close to a religious statement as I will ever get. What is wrong with that? Why is it better to choose an operating system on technical merits then on ethical ones? And why do people continuously assert that in any way including ethics in a technical decision is wrong?
You should be happy your roommate isn't nailing the bejeezus out of some sexy college girl gone wild.
Why exactly should he be happy that he is missing out on a live girls gone wild? He is posting to slashdot - it is probably the closest he will ever come to real sex.
Play some music. Not too loud. Something with a steady beat. Knocks you right out.
Metallica works well for this too. Or Ozzy. Your roomate will love you.
If you turn the music up loud enough, your sleeping roomate wont be able to hear the mouse or keyboard at all.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, triscuts.
Were you saying something?
electric field != magnetic field
Wow, thanks for that insightful reply. Since you seem to be the expert, let me ask you another one: Does Water = Air?
What about those machines where they put your head into a very strong magnetic field?
Apparently people feel very strange while exposed, and many describe feeling "in the presence of god".
Are these machines a health risk?
No. Putting your head in a device which creates very strong magnetic fields and makes you feel funny is perfectly fine.
Another procedure that is a good idea is a lobotomy.
I tend to agree with everything you said. You are right that adding more ways to do something does not necessairly equal power. However, the ability to click on a file to rename it makes a file manager more powerful to me. Personally, I have never had a problem with accidentally renaming files because of this feature. It sounds as if others have though, so maybe the default behavior of nautilus is better for most people.
Otherwise, as Havoc P would say, your GUI begins to resemble a programming language.
I am intrigued by this quote. I have never heard it before, but to me, the perfect file manager would resemble a programming language. The ability to have some sort of built in scripting so that I could, say take all the files in a folder named The_Clash_-_*.mp3 and change them to clash_-_*.mp3 would be incredible. Right now, this requires a little bit of perl, which is tolerable, but not necessairly beautiful.
No offense, but I don't think that parent post is so terribly insightful.. IMHO the difficulty in this particular case is exactly the same: press END (highlight gone, cursor at the end), 3 times BACKSPACE, type the new extension.
Unfortunately, moving my hand to end requires me to take it off the keyboard. It is much easire to use the right arrow, which I can barely reach with my pinkie. On windows, one press of the right arrow gets me to the end of the name, whereas in nautilus, it takes three presses. It is not a big deal, I just use a different file manager, of as you say, use regexps. I suppose the ability to modify everything but the extension is nice for many people, but for me, typing a name and an extension is about the same effort as typing a name. As long as I don't have to move my hand from the keyboard, I am happy.
Windows and Mac UIs are polished (mostly), but not nearly as powerful KDE or Gnome
How many ways can you rename a file in windows?
4. You can click on the filename and wait, you can choose reanme from the top menu, you can choose rename from the context menu, and you can hit F2.
How many ways can you rename a file in nautilus?
3. You can choose rename from the top menu, from the context menu, or you can hit F2.
In my mind, this makes windows more powerful than nautilus.
Of course, if you include all the file managers and command line utilities, you could quickly get into triple digits for number of ways to rename a file in linux, and the same is probably true of windows.
But the point is that by default, windows is more powerful, and nautilus is simpler.
Don't take this as a criticism of linux - it is the only operating system I use, and has been for years. But it is still true.
Care to provide any information on why you think the windows and mac interface are better?
I never said the mac and windows interfaces are better. I said that in this instance, mac and windows are more powerful and linux is simpler.
I am sure you read the thread, so you know I am referring to the fact that there are more ways to rename a file in windows and mac than there are in nautilus.
As I have pointed out elsewhere, there are plenty of options for linux, so I can just use a different file manager. I just wanted to point out how interesting it was that linux is now considered by some to be the simple alternative to the complexity of mac and windows - something that would have been unbeliveable had you suggested it 3 years ago.
The problem is it's too easy and gets triggered by accident often. Gnome doesn't have this problem (and niether does KDE)
Ironically, we are now in the position that windows and mac are more powerful than gnome and kde. Gnome and kde, on the other hand, are locked down by the developers to behave in certain specific ways that are considered "intuitive".
Luckily, we have so much choice in linux, and I am sure there will always be filemanagers for users who want power, not simplicity. Still, it is a strange world when linux gui's are being complemented for being less powerful then windows and mac.
The article does show why linux is more user-friendly than windows, but not in the way that the author intends.
He claims that file-renaming is better in nautilus because the only way to do it is through a context menu, and furthermore, the filename without extension is highlighted by default. Personally, I find both of those "features" terribly annoying. Quite often, all I want to do is change the extension on a file. Nautilus' behavior makes this much harder than it is in windows.
But the great thing is that there are plenty of file managers for linux, and even plenty built specifically for gnome. So I just use a different one that I like better. Choice is what makes linux better than windows, not the default behavior of one app.
I am honest in all my dealings except the occasional shoplift from Barnes & Noble.
Did you know that there are these places where you can get books without paying for them? They are called libraries. If you went there, you could consider yourself honest in all of your dealings, without an "except..."
You mean this?
How will this help us build Space Elevators
That depends on how many 1x1x1 squares Lego can produce.
It puts every fact - when issued by the Blair govt - in quotes, to make it look suspicious
Yea, that really bothers me too. Things like Saddams WMDs. I wish they had just reported as fact that Saddam had WMDs, like we did here in the US. It is totally rediculous that a news agency would question the government.
you could always get a girlfriend ...
Really? Could you provide step by step instructions, please?
Something that will autoconfigure the desktop (using voice commands of course, not this obsolete keyboard thing) while serving me a pint of Guinness at the same time...
Actually, the current kernels do this. Here is how:
1) go on IRC on a linux channel, and say something like "man linux really sucks - on windows, I can just double click on a cd icon and it will install the drivers, but when i try that in linux, it never works"
2) this will offend some guru's view that linux is perfect, so he will try and help. act confused and self-righteous at the same time
3) eventually, suggest it would be easier if he came over and set things up for you himself. mention that you are thinking of going back to windows since it is easier.
4) when he gets there, sit on the couch and let him work. every once in a while, yell stuff at him, like "set up my usb camera" or "install the nvidia drivers". always finish a request with "on windows, it just works" - this is the action command to the linux guru/kernel interface
5) to get the guiness feature, simply say "I think longhorn is going to have a beer pouring feature built-in. does linux do that?"
I used to feel the same way, but I was absolutely amazed when I upgraded to 1.1. Just for fun, I tried opening a complex Word document. Everything was absolutely perfect. Every equation came out exactly right, the pictures were all correct, the formatting was right, even the images drawn in Word with multiple layers were right.
I am not suprised that they are still getting some things wrong (as you claim), since it is such a complicated thing to do well, but after seeing how amazing 1.1 was, I have no doubt that I will eventually be able to actually use OO interchangably with Word.
Wow, I have been insulted by a sub-1000 slashdot user. Today is my lucky day I guess.