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Decode Your Barcode, Get Your Personal Info

Chris writes "The Swipe Toolkit is a collection of web-based tools that sheds light on personal data collection and usage practices in the United States. The tools demonstrate the value of personal information on the open market and enable people to access information encoded on a driver's license or stored in some of the many commercial data warehouses. Check out the Data Calculator, which shows how much your personal info is worth, and how the data brokers get it. It's all part of the Swipe Project, which will be on exhibition at UC-Irvine in March."

299 comments

  1. Moron by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny

    I saw this story as a subscriber before most everyone else did, so I go to the site and download all the software before the site ends up getting slashdotted.

    I then download java, run the jar, scan my driver's license... doesn't work.

    Then I rotate the image 180 and find out it doesn't work.

    Then I go online and notice that California doesn't have a 2d barcode on the back of their licenses.

    Which comes to the rule of the day, which is apparently applicable to myself:

    You can be enough of a nerd to care about what's on your barcode, and still be a complete fucking moron

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    1. Re:Moron by strobexii · · Score: 5, Funny
      Then I go online and notice that California doesn't have a 2d barcode on the back of their licenses.


      Hmm, my California license has a 2d barcode on the back. And suddenly I feel very uncomfortable.
    2. Re:Moron by AgentOJ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Older California licenses have magnetic stripes on the back, rather than barcodes. In order to read those, you'll need a magstripe reader.

    3. Re:Moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's that cue:cat when I need it??

    4. Re:Moron by malachid69 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I download the java app, ran it.

      My wife's license didn't work, but mine did. They are both Oregon licenses, but I noticed hers had the sticker on it (larger bar code and not as "clean"), whereas mine was fresh (from last renewal).

      Mine contained my name, address, license#, birthdate, etc -- luckily no SS#.

      Malachi

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    5. Re:Moron by CuriHP · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't even realise that type of stuff was done. i have a Rhode Island liscence. No barcode, no magnetic strip, hell, most people can't even read the liscence number since the freakin picture of the state goes right through the last digit.

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    6. Re:Moron by pangloss · · Score: 1

      incidentally, any recommendations for a magstripe reader and software?

      what about a writer?

      or just a pointer to a faq :)

    7. Re:Moron by Ateryx · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ...I go online and notice that California doesn't have a 2d barcode on the back of their licenses.

      My experience was actually the exact opposite. I checked my id (new as of March 2003, so less than one year old), and saw no 2d barcode. Figured, what the hell, and decided to look to see what good 'ol Minnesota has for privacy (overall not too bad, only a few, separate mess ups.) I saw that Minnesota indeed does have a 2-d barcode, however it is nowhere on anyones licences that I checked made this year (I couldn't find anyone w/ a new licence as of this year). Either this site is 1)up to date, Minnesota started regulations as of the first of the year, or 2) has incorrect information.

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    8. Re:Moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      does it say "SSSS" in big bold letters on the front?

    9. Re:Moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a magnetic strip *and* a 2d barcode on my California ID which I got in 2000 (I live in Oregon though - heh).

    10. Re:Moron by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I picked up a reader (by ID Innovations) for $30 on ebay not to long ago

      Writers will cost you at least $300 on ebay.

    11. Re:Moron by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1
      You can be enough of a nerd to care about what's on your barcode, and still be a complete fucking moron

      Apparently one can be enough of a nerd to care about what's on the barcode, read the Moron post above and still make the same mistake. Criminy.

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    12. Re:Moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "I then download java"

      You can be enough of a nerd

      What kind of a ****en' nerd does not have a Java (JRE at the very least) installed? Or am I a super nerd?

    13. Re:Moron by leifm · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that site claims Tennessee has both types of barcodes, but my license has neither. Of course mine was issued in '99, doesn't expire until 2006, and I can renew once online and just stick a renewal sticker on the back. So mine will probably never have any of this stuff, at least while I'm a TN resident.

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    14. Re:Moron by angryelephant · · Score: 0

      The term 2-D barcode is misleading. They are little squares. I know I have seen them used in store products in addition to the normal UPC barcode. I think better nomenclature would be "Pixelcode" or "Squarecode". A barcode is already 2-D, the information is just encoded in one dimension.

    15. Re:Moron by spyfrog · · Score: 1

      I have one simple question: why put all this data in the barcode? Adresses change, so does weight and other datas. My drivers licens has one simple 1d barcode which I know what it contains - my personal identification number. Of course, since the goverment can crossreference this in 2ms, they know exactly everything about me by scanning it. This has to be smarter since this means that my adress and other data never will be out of date. Of course, this also mean that the goverment easily can know everything - but we already assume that here.

    16. Re:Moron by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Hell, what kind of a computer user doesn't have some sort of JRE (Sun or MS, anyway) installed?

    17. Re:Moron by malachid69 · · Score: 1

      I would assume that the information is there for 2 reasons...

      First, for redundancy. Without connecting to ANY network, a cop in the field should be able to tell whether the front of the license matches the back of the license. Realistically, I would hope that someone making fake IDs was clever enough to download a free PDF 417 font or something.

      Second, similar to the first, what if they are out of range and unable to reach the network?

      Personally, I think, if we are going to support the information being there at all, it should be 3d/holographic so that we can't easily just print it from a laser printer. That's just me though.

      Malachi

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  2. Wow! My CueCat will be useful again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good thing I didn't throw it away.

    1. Re:Wow! My CueCat will be useful again! by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used mine to keep track of my customers DLT tapes. Since we were up to a library of ~500 tapes and were changing them out at a rate of 25 every 10 days or so it really paid off. In fact I had my brother write a little VBA app on top of Access to keep track of their container and position. That way when the library needed new tapes I could take the reports from Veritas and pick out the tapes that were ready to be reused and know right where they were. Before doing this it took me about 3 hours a week to change out tapes, after organising things it was down under an hour.

      It also came in usefull when we were pulling out over 400 PC's from a client site, recording all those asset tags by hand would have been a LOT more tedious than just stacking em and scanning. Picking in up was definitly the best $0 and 10 minutes of my life I ever spent =)

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    2. Re:Wow! My CueCat will be useful again! by ev1lcanuck · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember a /. article about modding your cuecat to read standard barcodes, instead of having the cuecat spit out it's cuebar gobbledygook.

      Of course my knowledge of barcodes is limited and I can't RTFA because it's /.ed but if I'm not mistaken that means the parent is still apllicable.

      I could very well be wrong and not know what I'm talking about but ohh look a butterfly.

    3. Re:Wow! My CueCat will be useful again! by MadBiologist · · Score: 1

      Hehe... I had a friend who worked at Radioshack when they were selling these things, and I got a gross (over 100) of them as they were chucking them out... Now... I HAVE THE POWER!... or not..

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    4. Re:Wow! My CueCat will be useful again! by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually Cue:Cat's can decode most UPC style barcodes. If you run Win2k or XP you can use the keyboard filter driver from this site. Or for even more flexibility I like the Catnip program which allows you to alter the output including the barcode type and multiple delimiters, it can be found here among other places.

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    5. Re:Wow! My CueCat will be useful again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that article detailed removing the serial number aspect of the Cue:Cat.

    6. Re:Wow! My CueCat will be useful again! by krisp · · Score: 1

      Me too, and for xmas that year i got a box of them, unopened. The 5 conductor cables were great for ham projects!

    7. Re:Wow! My CueCat will be useful again! by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      http://oilcan.org/cuecat/decrypt.html

      They have always been able to read standard barcodes (except Code 39 is only supported by earlier units), but that's how to kill the encryption and just get a barcode.

      Directions on the USB cat are at: http://www.flyingbuttmonkeys.com/cuecat/usb/

      Might as well get the PS/2 cat and a USB adaptor, unless you don't use a PS/2 keyboard.

  3. This is very important to me by IchBinDasWalross · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, it would be, if I didn't live in my parent's attic and if I did actually have a driver's license.

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    1. Re:This is very important to me by DrLZRDMN · · Score: 0

      Wrong single-room-storage-space-house-extremety.
      Typical nerds use the basement
      ...or sometimes the garage.

    2. Re:This is very important to me by IchBinDasWalross · · Score: 1

      Too much crap in the basement. Radio and TV reception are still poor.

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    3. Re:This is very important to me by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the Radon!

  4. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How did you get the stand-alone to work? I tried, java.exe and javaw.exe. It says "No Main Class".

    1. Re:Hmm by DarkHelmet · · Score: 4, Funny
      RTFP :)

      java -jar SwipeBarcode.jar

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  5. An attic? Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I bet you get great radio reception and have a nice view. Lucky, I'm stuck down here in the basement.

  6. DMCA the freakers! by mauthbaux · · Score: 5, Funny

    so, where can I copyright my own personal info and sue the pants off of all these freakers passing around unauthorized copies?

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    1. Re:DMCA the freakers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Funny, BUT:

      Can any lawyer or someone who has indepth knowledge of the DMCA tell us all if this is actually a valid idea? I would love to screw over these companies, and maybe they will fight the DMCA for us...

    2. Re:DMCA the freakers! by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      IANAL, but I'm a news writer at times...

      And you can't copyright a fact. A copyright on a 9, 10, or 11 digit number just isn't going to stand, and neither is a copyright on an address. It is your address or number, it already appears on plenty of public records, and thereofore uncopyrightable documents. You can copyright an expression of a fact, so maybe a copyright of your address in your handwighting will stand... but you're not going to ever get copyright protection on your personal info, reporters can use your name all they want while talking about you, and the same goes for basic facts about you.

    3. Re:DMCA the freakers! by vDave420 · · Score: 1
      [...]
      And you can't copyright a fact. A copyright on a 9, 10, or 11 digit number just isn't going to stand,
      [...]

      Well let me be the first to drag RIAA into this...

      If one subscribes to RIAA legal logic then you can copyright the many-many-digit binary number that is the representation of the bitmap image (barcode) should be "protectable", especially binary representation of the 2-d image of it.

      By association, the lesser-quality or lossy, smaller (in terms of data) representations should be protected, right? Pretty much anything that can substitute as a usable copy, right?

      Seems that the act of copying that data (your original bitmap, or apparently, any usable representation of it) to thier devices would be a violation.

      Time to send in the Copyright Enforcers (tm). Perhaps if they "voluntarily" hand over the infringing equipment (all PCs used in the process) we the infringed may agree not to sue.

      Hahaha
      If only it were that easy!

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    4. Re:DMCA the freakers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You had me in agreement with you all the way up to the "vote for Kucinich" part. Then I realized I had just been trolled.

    5. Re:DMCA the freakers! by Jerf · · Score: 1

      I discuss why we need a new form of IP protection here. None of the existing models quite work, but taken as a whole, protecting "privacy sensitive information" does fit right into our current IP domain fairly cleanly; you need to recombine various aspects of the other domains but you don't need anything truly new, so it's hardly asking for a lot to protect private information. (I also cleanly define what I mean by "privacy sensitive information".)

  7. Old POS system by KalvinB · · Score: 5, Informative

    that's "Point of Sale"

    When I worked at Peter Piper Pizza it was quickly learned you could exit the program handling orders to get to a prompt. You could then swipe any magnetic card through the CC reader in the keyboard to see what was on it. You just had to swipe it at the right speed to get everything.

    Ben

    1. Re:Old POS system by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most barcode readers / magnetic swipe readers work with drivers that simulate keystrokes... and that's why the point at which you're allowed to scan the card just happens to be same screen at which you can type the number in manually. The device just needs to be configured for what sequence of enters/tabs/etc. to enter after a scanned number.

      For example, a credit card reader at a POS unit would be set to output the first 16 characters on the card, and then maybe [tab] to exit the entry box and [enter] to clear the "Are you sure? Y" prompt. Hook the same reader up to any free-text entry screen, and the number ends up in plain view.

    2. Re:Old POS system by senatorpjt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow, that works a lot better than just reading the number off the front of the card!

    3. Re:Old POS system by MikeDawg · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to work for a POS Helpdesk for an *unnamed* gas station/c-store. We could always dig through the log files to read what sort of input was recorded from a cardswipe on a CC#. There are actually several (usually 2 readable) tracks on your average CC.

      The data on the MS of your major CCs are usually <15-16 digits - ala your CC #>=<exp date>

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    4. Re:Old POS system by Drantin · · Score: 1

      This would be a neat way to store combos for fighting games... almost like the attacks in Battle Network Rockman.EXE for GBA... It would certainly lengthen the life of many controllers...

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    5. Re:Old POS system by MukiMuki · · Score: 0

      Ummm, to be quite honest, I think both acronymns apply.

    6. Re:Old POS system by DaBj · · Score: 1

      You mean something like the Barcode Battler?

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    7. Re:Old POS system by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      I used to work for a company that developed simple access control systems. You would be supprised how many people swiped their credit cards through the reader.
      All invalid card numbers were logged. We had equipment to print & encode our own cards so it would have been easy to produce forgeries (without the hologram though).

    8. Re:Old POS system by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      Most barcode readers / magnetic swipe readers work with drivers that simulate keystrokes...
      At ${ORKPLACE}-3, following budget cuts, I was put in charge of inventory and production (which was better than being laid-off because your project gets cancelled - also, it enabled the company to fire the old inventory guy who was not doing a good job, and in all the people in the place, I was the only one trusted enough to do it - the most important partner didn't even trust his other partners!!!).

      Naturally, this is ++boring for a programmer, so I eventually recoded the inventory application so it could be streamlined for parts reception and assignment. Then, while killing boredom by browsing through the stock room and looking for old junk that while still could be useful would not get bought by anyone at all, I hit the jackpot: an old barcode reader that you "wedge" between the keyboard and the computer.

      The thing simply "keyed-in" whatever barcode you scanned, followed by two carriage-returns. I quickly modified the application to accept this as a "cursor-down", which was real handy when you had to enter the serial numbers of 150 freshly-received floppy drives, for example.

      I also appropriated an old dot-matrix printer to print stock stickers with barcodes, so parts assignments could be done quickly, too. Within weeks, the inventory was really cleaned-up.

      All this speeded-up the boring work so I could spend more time on Slashdot (if you don't want to get caught, just telnet to the mail server and use LYNX)...

    9. Re:Old POS system by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't happen to be Mike Shephard would you?

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    10. Re:Old POS system by MikeDawg · · Score: 1

      Nope, not Mike Shepard. . . Sorry man. . .

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  8. not necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    i already have my personal data, thanks.

    1. Re:not necessary by caldroun · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? ;-)

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    2. Re:not necessary by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 0

      What else do you think you're going to find on that card, your penis size?

    3. Re:not necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well what do you know, there *is* a 5 on my card...

  9. When will the knock off start by manganese4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So when will the first knock off site appear asking you for simialr information but actually keep an image of it on their server?

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    1. Re:When will the knock off start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manganese, what's it all about? Is it good ... or is it whack?

    2. Re:When will the knock off start by Buck2 · · Score: 1

      Manganese is good for stimulating interest in chemistry^Wpyrotechnics.

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  10. I'm not sure I care about this. by musingmelpomene · · Score: 3, Interesting
    In my opinion, we're less than 100 years away from basically a total lack of "privacy." I'm not entirely sure this is a terrible thing, but it will certainly have interesting ramifications for society.

    Once people know that essentially no one's a saint, we'll all be a lot better off without the sanctimonious holier-than-thou crap we get so much of today.

    I am honest in all my dealings except the occasional shoplift from Barnes & Noble. I'd be fine with a lack of privacy, because everyone would be under equal scrutiny. The thing that bothers me is unequal privacy - which we're at right now.

    Once everyone's life is part of a public record, we're all equally screwed and we can build our society around a new, more honest paradigm.

    1. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by metroid+composite · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A lot of privacy issues, videocameras in stores, monitoring what IPs have visited a certain site, et c. are already universal to everyone in the territory. I'm curious as to which privacies are unequally shared; most that I can think of depend purely on where you tread.

    2. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by aralin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its idealists like you that are source of the problem. Get it in your head once and for good: "People are not equal! People will never be equal!"

      Once you get this little bit, you might stop dreaming about people being all equally screwed since that will never happen.

      And when you stop dreaming, you might start to adjust to a world where people are not equal and start to vote for politicians that are aware of the issue and start asking for laws that will protect the weak from the strong and for society that works for both. And stop get abused by people that try to ram this strange concept down your throat to make you feel good about yourself.

      And when you put all this in context with the US Supreme Court decision that Corporations are for all the legal matters "people", you get closer to my point.

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    3. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      The problem with the idea of everyone having an equal lack of privacy is that will never happen.

      Corporations, governments and those who control them will continue to have as much, if not more, privacy than they do today. So, just as the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer in America today so too are the powerful getting more privacy and the rest of us are getting more public.

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    4. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by beakerMeep · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Yes but what if I don't want you to use my personal info to build your new society.

      Why do people think that if nobody has any privacy that it naturally correlates with positive advancements toward open society? Wouldn't a lack of privacy be a boon to criminals and civilized society alike? Isn't this what we are seeing now with the rise of the internet?

      I think the point is not whether or not privacy benefits society but whether or not an individual has a right to it. Personally, I like my privacy too a resonable extent because I don't like the idea that there are a bunch of people out there who compile profiles on me. Profiles that serve only a limited few purposes such as:

      A) selling me products
      B) stealing from me
      C) arresting me
      D) providing me medical treatment (see A)

      While A and C could be good in some situations (ie I am a criminal or I got the right medical treatment because of a profile) I just don't see enough good in a total lack of privacy.

      I think there will always be bad people in this world and if the data is out there and allowed to be shared it will be used for malice at some point but I think that's the key. As long as the data has strict sharing guidelines it can be beneficial. Without that, it does the individual AND HENCE the society very little good compared to the potential harm.

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    5. Re: I'm not sure I care about this. by bezuwork's+friend · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'd be fine with a lack of privacy, because everyone would be under equal scrutiny.

      You really think politicians and others of power would get treated the same way?

      Would never happen, I think. The control of data collection would have to be in the hands of an entity (a) not under the control of the government, politicians, or police but (b) subject to regulation which the people, or at least attorney generals, can enforce.

      It is the same problem with security cameras. Alot of /.ers say they are ok so long as everyone is treated equally. But, for everyone to be treated equally, wouldn't the people have to have equal access to the tapes?

      I agree in principle with you that if everyone is treated equally, it should be ok. I do have a caveat, though (and this is something that alot of /.ers will probably have first hand experience with, as IT personnel). As more and more data is aggregated about people, it will be easier for those in power to abuse others. I've seen people at work get fired for viewing pornography when I know the bosses did it at work as well. The inequity in access to the company records in that case means the employee has a tough battle to fight such abuse. As privacy declines, these abuses will become easier. It is nothing new, just easier.

    6. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      The problem is what you discussed has NOTHING todo with privacy.

      You expect privacy... when you're being private, that is to yourself. When you are in the middle of a public mall or visiting my website you are no longer treading "in private" and therefore have zero expectation to privacy.

      It's like bitching that falling in a pool makes you wet. If you don't like being wet stay out of the pool. If your privacy is so important to you then don't mingle in society.

      Tom

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    7. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by dont_think_twice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am honest in all my dealings except the occasional shoplift from Barnes & Noble.

      Did you know that there are these places where you can get books without paying for them? They are called libraries. If you went there, you could consider yourself honest in all of your dealings, without an "except..."

    8. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know, I read that little comment and lost all respect for the guy and anything else he had to say. I don't shoplift, it's wrong and illegal. You can be convicted and maybe pay a fine, or worse spend time in jail, but either way you now have a felony record. That kind of stuff does not sit well with employers, and the records are easy to get.

      I think the only time I ever shoplifted something was at a grocery store, and accidentally left a packet of seasoning or something in the bottom of the cart and it didn't get scanned. That and the Matchbox truck I took from pre-school when I was five, and felt guilty about from the minute I took it until now.

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    9. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by Plugh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Blockquoth aralin:
      Get it in your head once and for good: "People are not equal! People will never be equal!"

      You said it, buddy.

      You would think, with so many millions of people who have survived through "enforced equality" (Communism, and its slightly-less-ugly bastard brother, Socialism), that people would get the lesson by now:

      Any just society inherently entails inequality of outcomes

      Sigh... it almost makes me want to join ESR and the rest of the Free Staters.

    10. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by Planesdragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why do people think that if nobody has any privacy that it naturally correlates with positive advancements toward open society? Wouldn't a lack of privacy be a boon to criminals and civilized society alike? Isn't this what we are seeing now with the rise of the internet?

      Depends on how persuasive the lack of privacy is.

      If it's essentially impossible to be private, then crime essentially vanishes. And, even better, if the "TIA" system works well enough, we'll see as the first change a massive drop in false accusations.

      If privacy is still attainable by those who work at it, then crime will flourish under the system.

      So, it should really be an "all or nothing" thing--that, as a most important safeguard, includes an automatic notification whenever someone wants to see your record.

    11. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by photonX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think 100 years is *wildly* optimistic. The last 100 we went from literally a horse-and-buggy society straight into the Electronic Age, and from mainframes to handhelds in a quarter of that. I expect to see my every move tracked within the next 20, and DMV barcodes are tame next to face-recognition systems and rf tags.

      I imagine that implantable chips have been discussed here before, probably ad nauseum, but it isn't much of a stretch to imagine that within a quarter century everyone under the age of 15 or 20 could be carrying one. In my country (USA) it will be called something like the Child and Infant Freedom and Protection Act, requiring implantation of ID tags in every newborn in the counry, and after that it's just a matter of time. After all, who's not all for protecting our children? And as long as they're already there, why not make it illegal to have them removed or deactivated--we have nothing to hide, do we?

      If it's unpatriotic now to oppose the Patriot Act, how about a decade and a few more pre-emptive wars from now? We'll all be talking about the good old days when all we had to worry about were the barcodes on our drivers licenses.

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    12. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by kcbrown · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If privacy is still attainable by those who work at it, then crime will flourish under the system.

      Privacy will always be attainable by some, because there will always be some who have more power than others. Power, especially when we're talking about government, directly translates to the ability to control information -- to be private.

      The only way society could ever be what David Brin imagines it could be is if secrets, and the organizations (like the NSA and the CIA) that depend on them, don't exist. I guarantee that such a world will never come about, because the only people with the power to make it come about are the very people who don't want it. There will always be people with more privacy than others. Those people will, not coincidentally, have more power than others.

      And so, the only acceptable alternative is a society in which certain privacies were jealously protected by that society. Without that you don't have a free society -- you have a police state. Which, not so coincidentally, is exactly the type of system we're headed towards (in fact, one could probably make a convincing argument that we're already there in everything but name).

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    13. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by ashot · · Score: 1

      see, now you went to the other extreme. You are arguing too much of a doomsday scenario, IMO.

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    14. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you're giving it 100 years?

      In 1950, taxation was at about 10% in America. Today it is around 30% to 50%, depending on your income. In 1950, a new car cost a couple hundred bucks. A super nice one might be almost $1,000. Today, a decent car is $20,000 to $50,000.

      At the rate things are changing (and as advances occur, the speed at which we progress is exponentially compounded) - I seriously expect to be fully controlled/watched/tracked/automated-to-death in my life time. In fact, I would not be surprised if this is almost entirely completed by the next two decades.

      If you think about it, they could track ANYONE in so many ways today. The information is already available. The only people they have a hard time with sometimes is criminals who intentially fudge their information and avoid being watched (to the extent that they can accomplish this).

    15. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similarly, if you don't want to have your manham canned, stay the hell away from Tommy St D!

    16. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by atomicdragon · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I read that little comment and lost all respect for the guy and anything else he had to say.

      Doesn't this demonstrate one of the needs for privacy? Whether he stole a book or not should not affect the validity of his point. Although some may need such information, such as an employer who could be putting themselves at risk, others have no real use for it.

      I guess that just goes along with my answer to those that say "Only those with something to hide want privacy." Maybe I do have something to hide. It doesn't have to be something wrong, just something other people may misuses or have prejudice against, e.g. somebody's beliefs.

    17. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by MemoryAid · · Score: 1
      We are about 100 years from anything at all happening, depending on whom you ask.

      The trends we are seeing now will not last 100 years (except maybe the ones having to do with geology and astronomy).

      100 years ago, we probably could have predicted 2 horses in every garage and train service to anywhere in the world. Maybe some could have even predicted two cars in every garage and a horse in every pot. I submit that all such predictions are meaningless, even if they prove to be correct.

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    18. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      In my opinion, we're less than 100 years away from basically a total lack of "privacy." I'm not entirely sure this is a terrible thing, but it will certainly have interesting ramifications for society.
      I'm getting ready for this; I'm always naked when I'm home, and I don't close the blinds; it doesn't bother me at all when the neighbours see me naked or when I sunbathe on the balcony or in a park.
    19. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      Once everyone's life is part of a public record

      I sympathize with your idealism. Certainly a transparent society would help people to make more accurate judgements.

      Case A: Mr Derelict with a cardboard sign "Stranded Motorist" on the freeway offramp. He could really be a stranded motorist, and not someone that has been doing this for several months to raise money for his substance addiction.

      Case B: Mr Politician with a TV commercial where he sez "Motherhood. Apple Pie. Flag. Low Taxes. High Spending." He could be that, or he could be exposed as having met with executives of the Apple Pie Manufacturers Association.

      The big problem I see is misuse of differential privacy just as there is misuse of differential power and differential wealth.

      People like to keep and accumulate their wealth and power, so they'd like for control over public exposure of their own transactions, and to be able to see opportunities or threats in the actions of others.

      I expect the leaders of China and the largest holders of wealth in the US to shield themselves from the scrutiny (commercial and "antiterrorist") that is focussed on everyone else.

      If I were wealthy, I'd certainly not be getting my face in front of some store camera. I'd send my valet with cash to purchase what I want.

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    20. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      That and the Matchbox truck I took from pre-school when I was five, and felt guilty about from the minute I took it until now.

      Yeah, and feeling guilty makes it better. Get over it; you were five.

    21. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      except the occasional shoplift from Barnes & Noble.

      Great! Thanks for letting us know!

      We added your online picture to our face recognition system.

      Barnes & Noble Security Team

    22. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > if you don't want to have your manham canned

      Umm... don't you mean "if you don't want your can manhammed?"

    23. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by rark · · Score: 1

      We could start with a few federal TLA's that want to (and are getting increasing legal abilities as well as technological abilities to do so) monitor U.S. citizens, but don't want the citizenry to monitor what they are doing with the large chunks of federal money (read: tax dollars) they want each year, much less any real monitoring of their actions.

    24. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by Sorthum · · Score: 1

      I was wondering about this today. Can anyone tell me where this decision was cited? I'd LOVE to use that as a defense if pulled over for using the carpool lane. "But Officer, I'm the CEO of my consulting corporation. The corporation counts as a person, and given that I'm the entire corporation, I'm actually two people at once."

    25. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by instarx · · Score: 1

      When you are in the middle of a public mall or visiting my website you are no longer treading "in private" and therefore have zero expectation to privacy.

      I don't believe citizens have zero expectation of privacy just because they are in a mall. Suppose there is a politcal rally in a mall. The act of simply being in a public place can be a political statement under certain circumstances. The right to remain anonymous in public has been deemed a basic right by the Supreme Court, although that right is rapidly being eroded by technology and the accelerated anti-privacy policies of the government after 9/11.

      Neither police nor mall security have the "right" to demand identification from me just because I am in that public place. The police because they are government and we are supposed to be protected by the constitution, and mall security because they are private citizens and don't have a right to force you do tell them anything. If I had zero expectations of privacy neither of the above examples would be true.

      A legal exception to this are in airports and other transportation areas where, without warrants, the police have had the right to demand ID and search people just walking in the area. This was used mainly to find illicit drugs before 9/11.

      Transportation venues are an area where people do give up their right to privacy just by being there, although I think most people are unaware of the fact (and therefore DO have an expectation of privacy that does not actually exist). For the past 20 years the majority of Americans would not have thought the police had the right to search them if they just walked into an airport to see a relative off, although expectations of privacy in airports has changed dramatically since 9/11.

    26. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between being anonymous and private. If I know who you are and you are in a public place you're location is obviously not private.

      That's why when people bitch about cameras in public I often get very upset because there are better reasons to get upset [hey like buying from slave labour overseas, the fact they waste their money on the surveillance, etc...]

      Also I don't think I said "you have to identify yourself in public". My point is if you want to remain totally seclusive don't go mix in public. Really that simple.

      Tom

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    27. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymity and privacy go hand in hand. What you seem to be talking about is, in fact, merely obscurity. In that case I agree - one cannot go out in public and not expect to be seen. However, one can, and should, be allowed to go out in public without being _identified_.

      By the same logic I do not view cameras in public places as invading my privacy. However, as soon as those cameras start feeding to face-recognition software (or even to a guy looking up faces in a mug book) they invade privacy, even if the person being identified was in a public place.

      The argument that some will make (and that you seemed to be making in your original post), that because:

      a. if people know there are cameras, and
      b. if people know it is possible to be identified from the images; then
      c. there is no expectation of privacy and THEREFORE no right to privacy at all... ...is circular logic.

    28. Re:I'm not sure I care about this. by sjames · · Score: 1

      There is a certain privacy, even in a busy mall.

      For example, I know that I am just one more face in the crowd and will not likely be remembered the next day (or even in the next 5 minutes). Nobody there will have a record of where I went when (because they don't care). While it is possible to follow me around in the mall, the difficulty and expense naturally restricts that practice to significantly non-trivial interest.

      Cameras change all of that. Having everything recorded is a big step towards reducing the difficulty of tracking people, so it will be done for increasingly trivial reasons.

      It's like any security issue. Lack of a key doesn't prevent you from trespassing in someone's home. All the same, that doesn't cause people to hand out copies of their house key to strangers.

      Lack of the key DOES make trespass more trouble since you have to break a window first. It also makes it harder to leave no evidence of your trespass.

      So it's more like jumping into a pool and then 2 weeks later still being wet.

  11. You can easily see... by centralizati0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can easily see that with a service such as MSN Hotmail, who already sells your personal info, your standard "I had best enter the correct info, or else bad things could happen" person can easily give them (as this project puts it) about $10 worth of personal info right in the sign-up boxes. MSN could then do a search through some of these free services and get even more money, as the information gains value if it is all stored in one location. We can then see how offering free email to the unwashed masses can be very profitable.

    1. Re:You can easily see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when does hotmail do this? Do you have any proof?

  12. And.... Slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. I already can't view the site. Slashdot effect anyone?

    1. Re:And.... Slashdotted! by xot · · Score: 0, Redundant

      definitely slashdotted! no wonder ther are no comments on the story ...cos no one's read it yet! :-)

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    2. Re:And.... Slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mirror for the poor slashdotted site.

      I haven't gotten this thing to recognize my card.

  13. This is a good idea by Benw5483 · · Score: 1

    I have always wondered what was encoded on those things. Mine doesn't have one on it, unfortunately (or maybe it isn't). Does anybody know what states licenses contain these barcodes and who is planning on implementing them?

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    1. Re:This is a good idea by mountiealpha · · Score: 2, Informative

      The SWIPE Toolkit page has a link to a listing of the 39 states with barcode technology. It also lists those considering implementation of magnetic stripes and/or barcodes...

    2. Re:This is a good idea by caino59 · · Score: 1

      read the article, they provide a nice table, linked right from the main page regarding what states do and do not have this implemented.

  14. ALL YOUR INFO.... by segment · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Today, information is everything. Whether in insurance, government, banking, law enforcement, healthcare, the legal industry, or other fields, getting the information you need to know.now. quickly and easily is essential for smart decision making.

    Accessing critical information is as easy as point-and-click. Using ChoicePoint Online's powerful search capabilities, you can easily search more than 14 billion records on individuals and businesses. Whoopdeedoo. Choicepoint and companies like them probably have more than you can spend your life trying to hide. Personally I blame it on utter laziness. Here's a day in the life of Avgjoe...

    Avgjoe wakes up everyone morning and turns on the radio to hear the news while he gets ready for work. He uses XM satellite for news... (subscriber info sent)

    As he gets into his car after getting ready he joyously turns on his car. "Welcome to OnStar" (userinfo sent). Driving over the Triboro bridge, Avjoe happily avoids crowds and goes through the EZPass lane. (info sent). Upon entering Manhattan he decides to fill up the tank at Mobil with his credit card. (info sent)

    Driving down 1st avenue he eats a yellow light (snap snap go the cameras). Avgjoe is sent a ticket. "Hey I can fight this..."

    Do the math if Avgjoe committed a serious crime he could be tracked to the minute if needed. If Avgjoe was Avgjoe do gooder who happened to be a politician who pissed off other politician, do gooder Avgjoe's information could also be abused.

    You want what privacy or ease of use? Privacy? Dump your credit cards, and all other forms of digital clutter so you can complain less, unless you're just a whiner complaining while typing this with a what? UID... Ah yea a UID.

    1. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You want what privacy or ease of use? Privacy? Dump your credit cards, and all other forms of digital clutter so you can complain less...

      This would be a great solution if it didn't make you a second-class citizen. Want to fly? Must have ID. Want to rent a car? Must have credit card. Want to conduct business? Must have a phone.

      To rent my apartment I had to go through a credit check. To eat for the same price as my neighbor I had to give my info to the grocery store.

      It's not merely convenience. We're effectively being forced to do this to participate in society.

      TW

    2. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod down this copy-paste troll.

    3. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by NineNine · · Score: 1

      We're effectively being forced to do this to participate in society

      That's very true. You are. That's what defines a society. But nobody says you have to live in this society. Pick another one, or just move into the wilds of Canada and forget society. There has got to be a side effect to all of that convenience. To 99.99% of people in society, the "lack of privacy" (I don't think it is at all) is worth that convenience, which is why we have "societies" in the first place.

    4. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To eat for the same price as my neighbor I had to give my info to the grocery store.

      The grocery stores around here aren't very picky about the data unless you want to have the card set up to authorize checks or to rent videos. At that point, credit information becomes relevant. When I signed up for a discount card there were whole sections of the form that they didn't require unless you wanted those features. Of course, they didn't word it that way. They said that information *was required* if you wanted those features. I didn't so it wasn't.

    5. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      But nobody says you have to live in this society. Pick another one, or just move into the wilds of Canada and forget society...

      ....or stay in this one and try to change it from within.

      There's that whole baby and bathwater saying, but I hear it's kind of a cliche...

      TW

    6. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Interesting
      To eat for the same price as my neighbor I had to give my info to the grocery store.

      I don't buy anything that's 'on sale' via their cards. Even if it's only a 10 cent difference. I go to their competitor for those items. If all stores in my town were holding boneless skinless chicken breasts hostage to the cards, well, I can eat hamburger (or steak) tonight.

      Haven't checked the site lately, but nocards.org used to have a good FAQ on why you shouldn't just give bogus info to get one of those cards.
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    7. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Shardis · · Score: 1

      God man, you are such a troll...

      Do you get paid off of subscriber info only? Is that your beef? God knows your pron site sucks since the administrator is a dumb ass...

      Do you just get off on opposing a viewpoint vs anyone wanting their privacy or what?

    8. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my town (Portland Oregon) all stores (Except perhaps fred meyers - I'm not sure) do the card/price hostage thing. But the problem is it's not just a few items. It's more or less all items. At least, all the necessities. So you either play their game or you just die of starvation.

      Then again, I order my groceries online, so they have all my info anyway. No big deal. I don't like the cards/store things, but when it comes to groceries online, I don't see any other way for them to process your order and send you your groceries if they dont' have your name, phone number, address and billing information. I would appreciate if they would maintain a strict limited retention policy on purchase information that is stored, but they probably archive that shit FOREVER...

    9. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Belgand · · Score: 1

      While I realize this is being a tad pedantic and smartass I don't have a credit card and I get along just fine. Hell, I don't want a credit card... ever. The very idea of the system strikes fear into me (owing a corporation money under the guise of convenience). It's splitting hairs, but I do use my debit card almost all the time.

      The greater problem is situations where you must give a SS#. Case in point, at my college you must use it as your student ID number if you recieve any form of aid. Likely because they want to make things easier on themselves. In the course of going to college I've been forced to give it out countless times for a variety of inconsequential things. I don't even want to be a part of Social Security....

    10. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by molo · · Score: 1

      Upon entering Manhattan he decides to fill up the tank at Mobil with his credit card. (info sent)

      Heh, you obviously don't live near New York City. Gasoline prices in Manhattan are about double what you would pay in the suburbs.. if you can actually find the few stations that there are.

      -molo

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    11. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I notice americans understand the kind of POLICE country they live in.

      Where is freedom? Where is democracy? This information collection is better than what the KGB did some decades ago.

    12. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by MemoryAid · · Score: 1

      Some of these stores allow you to just give your telephone number if you have forgotten your card. If you happen to overhear someone doing this in front of you some day, you can remember that number and use it in the future to get the discount. I have not tried this, but the cashier is usually parient if you give the number wrong and have to give it again (say you're new in town, or whatever...)

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    13. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by NineNine · · Score: 1

      ....or stay in this one and try to change it from within.

      Good point. That's a possibility, too. Although, in this case, I have no idea how somebody would change society to make people be able to remain anonymous. That's a tough one.

    14. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      It's easier than most people think technologically. It's the fact that governments and businesses want to track us that makes it difficult.

      1. Why do merchants need my name to sell me goods? Anonymous smart cards and PINS would be secure and convenient for both parties but wouldn't require personal data.

      2. Why does my bank keep records of who I paid in a form readable by them. After all, the records (theoretically )only exist to settle disputes. Shouldn't I have the only key?

      3. Ditto with phone records and Smart Tag records. They could easily be encrypted as they're created and then only opened with my authorization.

      4. Why does your ISP keep logs at all? If they simply dumped the data then there's no trail. It would actually save them money on backups and storage while preserving my ability to surf where I want privately.

      5. They say the driver's license exists only to make sure everyone can control their automobile in a safe manner. So why do they need to know where I live to do that? If they give me the driving test and then link the license to biometric data that gives a simple yes, he's the guy he says he is, or no, he isn't then they have no conceivable need for my address, phone number or even name.

      You can go on and on. Records can be encrypted with you holding the key. Records can simply not be kept to begin with. You can assure you are the rightful holder of documents through a biometric yes/no on the document itself.

      So I ask you the question: If all this is possible (trivially with today's technology) then why are they seeking more data instead of trying to get rid of data points? The answer is simple: Control. I submit we should be electing officials who have less of a desire to control us. It's what our fore-fathers would have wanted.

      TW

    15. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To eat for the same price as my neighbor I had to give my info to the grocery store.

      Actually not.

      There are plenty of stores that don't require you to give your personal info - and they are typically the same price (or cheaper) than the 'members price' at Safeway.

      See, in order to run the 'customer loyalty' programs, the store needs to raise the prices (because running the program costs them money.) Typically, they do this with their 'non-member' prices, but I've noticed that after a couple of years, their 'discounted' prices are frequently higher than stores without the 'customer loyalty' scams... which makes sense, because once the scam is entrenched, most of your customers are going to use it (because they don't or can't shop around), so you're no longer making enough money on the 'non-member' customers to offset the additional cost of the program..

      Where I live there are lots of stores that have this type of scam, but there are lots that don't.. one of them (an IGA, which was one block from my old apartment, and which I still shop at, even though it's farther away) recently put three grocery carts with identical items at the entrance.. each one had a sign with the cost of the items at their store, and at two nearby stores with membership scams - the other stores were about 10% more expensive.

      So, you don't have to give up your personal info to get the same price as your neighbor - you just have to find a better place to shop.

  15. May or may not work by jkitchel · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some states encrypt the data before they put it in the barcode on the back of your license. It helps to prevent fake IDs. At least in Indiana, some of the liquor stores have scanners in them, through a deal with the state to read the back of the ID which has a PDF 417 2D barcode. That way when some 5'5", black hair, brown eyed underage person presnts the ID and the data on the back shows 6'1", blonde hair, blue eyes, they know it's a fake.

    1. Re:May or may not work by fermion · · Score: 1
      Ok, the information is encrypted.

      All one needs to do to hack the encryption is get a job at a liquor store, or at worst steal the device from a liquor store. It is not like these places are never robbed.

      Now all you have to do is encrypt the new information with the known encrption.

      Or better yet, just make sure the barcode on the altered document is illegible to the reader. A person should be able to find some store that will be willing to lose a sale simply because of defective equipment.

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    2. Re:May or may not work by Delirium+Tremens · · Score: 1

      Maybe it is no so easy to hack.
      Do you know for sure that they don't use some Public Key Infrastructure? Or 3DES? Or AES with a long enough key?

    3. Re:May or may not work by monkeydo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you ever heard of public key cryptography? The decoder doesn't neccesarily have the ability to encrypt anything.

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    4. Re:May or may not work by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      Some states encrypt the data before they put it in the barcode on the back of your license. It helps to prevent fake IDs

      All the instances (I've heard of ) regarding encrypted machine readability was due to privacy concerns and not to prevent counterfeit cards.

      Though I could see law enforcement/DMV agencies believing that line. But it makes no sense, at the very least, I could find someone with a similar body type and then just copy and past their barcode onto my counterfeit ID.

    5. Re:May or may not work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, perhaps if we make the pole 200 feet instead of 100 feet the castle will be saved!

    6. Re:May or may not work by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      "That way when some 5'5", black hair, brown eyed underage person presnts the ID and the data on the back shows 6'1", blonde hair, blue eyes, they know it's a fake."

      So that's where my wallet went! Give it back you bastard runt!

      bkr

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    7. Re:May or may not work by Kallahar · · Score: 1

      That's not encrypting, that's encoding.

  16. Looks like... by jd_esguerra · · Score: 1, Funny

    ....somebody "swiped" their bandwidth.

  17. half weeks by way2trivial · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    less than 100 halfweeks, I mean the election is what, 10 months away?
    gwb wins, and it's game over baby,,

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    1. Re:half weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we are in the same boat as if whoever runs against him wins?

      oh right, democrats are defenders of humanity and the opressed. snicker

    2. Re:half weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      When will you idiots realize the president doesn't have anything to do with this shit. The bureaucracy is in control. The president is just a figurehead and scapegoat.

    3. Re:half weeks by way2trivial · · Score: 1
      The president has the ability to veto a law.(patriot act) he won't
      The president can control enforcement or lack of. he won't
      The president has leverage to see which policies get through. They want this one

      if the president were dead opposed to the patriot act, it wouldn't be..

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  18. Might want to think about XM again...... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 2, Informative

    He uses XM satellite for news... (subscriber info sent)

    I can see where XM might be passing out mere subscriber info left and right (XM is partly owned by the Borg, Clear Channel)

    Technologically I'm not sure how they know WHEN you tune in or what you listen to since it's a passive reception system.

    1. Re:Might want to think about XM again...... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Yeah... if XM has a feedback capability I'd sure like to know how that works....

  19. If nobody ever bothers to RTFA... by Audent · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...how do we slashdot the sites?

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  20. If things like your address are worth money... by abertoll · · Score: 1

    ... then why is Google giving it away for free?

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    1. Re:If things like your address are worth money... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your address alone is worthless. Unless they're specifically looking for you... a marketer doesn't need your address. If they've already got your name, then the address is free with the bargan. Your name and your address, associated with some random fact about you... you like golf, you TiVo "Friends" every week, you read Slashdot, you hate marketers, or you are 23 years old... starts to be come of value, particularly if presented in the form of a list of people who share the same attribute. That's where the direct marketer can come in, match that group up with a product that people who have that attribute would possibly buy, and send junk mail to that group. The more refined the profile, the better the ad is going to be targeted... and therefore the more sales that are likely to result per person bothered. Addresses alone are pretty worthless, but grouped together and with other information, that's where the value kicks in.

  21. Standalone barcode scanner mirror? by EMIce · · Score: 1

    Alright, who downloaded the stand alone 2d barcode reader? I am itching to read my license data now. Someone please mirror it. For those of you who couldn't get to the instruction you should use a large GIF scan (~1meg) for best results. A digital camera works but not as well.

    1. Re:Standalone barcode scanner mirror? by caino59 · · Score: 1

      here's a mirror of sorts...go ahead, i know ima get /.'d

      although, i've never lost my conection before....

      *knocks on wood*

      heh

      http://jcaino.no-ip.org/slash/swipe/

    2. Re:Standalone barcode scanner mirror? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Comcast have limits for personal web space?
      I guess I'll find out..

      the standalone jar file is here.

    3. Re:Standalone barcode scanner mirror? by caino59 · · Score: 1

      dunno, i run the server off my own pc

      cant wait till my ram comes back from crucial....server will go back to my dual p3 933 from the weak xp 2400 its running on now...

  22. relative value? by FirmWarez · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    From the data calculator:

    Carry a concealed weapon: $0.25
    Sex offender: $13

    So this means Michael's "info" is worth more than Janet's?

    I don't get it!

    1. Re:relative value? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the whole point was that it wasn't a concealed weapon.

      AC

    2. Re:relative value? by FirmWarez · · Score: 1

      Flamebait? I didn't intend it as such...what I thought was strange is what information is supposedly worth...I mean some marketing firm will pay more to find out if I was a sex offender than if I've got a gun? ...just makes you wonder how many people out there are marketing products to sex offenders, and what exactly it is that they are selling!

  23. New button... by andy55 · · Score: 1

    That calc needs to have an add'l button:

    Slashdotter (Pressing it causes OVERFLOW)

  24. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There are attempts underway now to allow compilation of facts to be copyrighted. A compilation of facts about you could then, possibly, be your property.

    1. Re:But... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but the definition of a compliation isn't going to cover facts about one person. The only compliations that are going to ever get protection are those about multiple people or multiple thing... think 2 or more database records in a table. If it can be properly expressed in one record, it's not going to make it.

      Remember, it's the people who compile lists of data who are behind the effort to make sure copyright protection extends to what they do. They're not gonna be dumb enough to propose a law that puts themselves out of business. :)

    2. Re:But... by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This new law will work exactly the same as the DMCA and importing/outsourcing laws, in that it can only be used to benefit the powerful corporations who bought the regulations and if the average person tries to use it to their advantage, they will be quickly stopped. Or they'll just end up hopelessly buried in legal fees.

    3. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, but the definition of a compliation isn't going to cover facts about one person.

      We are schizophrenic, and have many name and address possibilities. We compile them ourselves in our mind and anybody else doing the same would be infringing our copyright. Hmmm earwax.

    4. Re:But... by Absurd+Being · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A family then forms a compilation.

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  25. lobbying work by JimBobJoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here in Ohio I've actually got a few legislators entertaining the idea of introducing (or at the very least co-sponsoring) legislation to prohibit machine readibility on driver's licenses.

    I've done it by convincing them that machine readability will cause more fraud. How?

    The experience is that when a human has a machine that does scanning, the human will take a quick glance at the photo (or no glance at all) and then swipe/scan the card...and the card will say X and the human will believe it. Based just on that, remagnetizing the card or even an overlay sticker over the barcode can be very successful.

    Indeed, the only thing separating the cheap plastic card from being an other cheap plastic card is the hologram and other visual/tactile elements that humans detect, but machines don't. If humans have to examine the card in depth before scanning it, then there is little reason to actually have the scanning machinery.

    Which is cool...because the Ohio BMV does pay a touch extra for the plastic card blanks with magnetic stripes, so getting rid of the stripes saves a touch of money...at least enough to keep the conservatives listening.

    And then I hit the privacy arguments...which I save for last.

    These things take time incidentally...especially here in Ohio where legislators are deathly afraid of making a mistake, and the full year calendar means that they can take their damn time doing things.

    But I was quite honored the other day...as I walked by one of the senior administrators of the BMV she stopped talking...she didn't want me to hear anything she was saying. Quite the compliment.

    Machine readability is also discused on my New Jersey driver license privacy site, listed below.

  26. Death to magnetic stripes by DoraLives · · Score: 4, Interesting
    licenses have magnetic stripes on the back

    Mine does too. So the first thing I did with it after I got it was to lay it on a steel table at work and take a whacking big speaker magnet and just go to town on that thing. I've had law enforcement question me about the lack of data on that stripe, but so far a doofus look and a shrug of the shoulders has seen me on my way. Your mileage will vary.

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    1. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1
      Mod parent up!

      Johnny Law can't prove you scrambled the stripe.

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    2. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I doubt it's legal to intentionally erase the magnetic stripe. Mine got too close to a hard drive's voice coil magnet. I love those magnets and ripe them out of any worthless hard disk. I should have been more careful.

    3. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      Johnny Law can't prove you scrambled the stripe.

      Not unless you admit it in public.

    4. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Penna has a mag stripe also, and the scatter barcode on the application was easy to edit with a black rollerball pen. I'll have to check it out and see what I randomly changed. In Penna, the whole application was photographically shrunk, so that they had a "real" signature on the final card.

      A de-gaussing coil works wonders on the magstripe.
      Never had a LEO check the stripe, but I did get looks registering at a local auction when they scanned my license. Poor droid had to key it in by hand! Like my cash was no good!

      Damn I guess I better post this anon, or uncle Jon Ashcroft will be looking for me.

    5. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by DoraLives · · Score: 2, Informative
      You are an idiot.

      It could happen.

      your also a liar

      'Fraid not. I done it, just like I says I done. The stripe is DEFINITELY no longer doing its job, or otherwise why would the police be asking me about that? Maybe it was the steel table, maybe it was I just got lucky, maybe it was no damned good from the beginning. I dunno. But it's broke now, that I do know.

      And while you're at it, please brush up on your social skills, ok?

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      Is it fascism yet?
    6. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by sushi_steve · · Score: 3, Funny

      Aww, I just looked on the back of my liscence and saw that it does have a barcode. I just ripped apart my new Harmon/Kardon speaker for nothing :(

    7. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, you sir are the idiot. Speaker flux density for even mediocre magnets can be in the 10K Gauss range as seen here , and that's for ferrite magnets, rare-earth (mostly Neodymium) magnets can easily reach twice that. Sure simple ferrous magnets in cheap speakers are only around 1K Gauss but the OP might easily have had a magnet powerfull enough to wipe his card.

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    8. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or maybe the cop's computer messed up...and it was just a fluke? How about you find out if it is really broken?

      ehm....yea, sorry, I meant to say, you're an idiot.

    9. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the OP might easily have had a magnet powerfull enough to wipe his card.

      You're joking right? Thoes magnets are used for hallways and board rooms, in ceilings of large rooms, where is this person going to get such a large speaker from? They probably aren't cheap either.

    10. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by subk · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Obviously noone but the OP here knows a damned thing about speakers and/or the types of magnets on them. Let's end this: a speaker magnet from the average 15" woofer will readily destroy a credit card (first hand experience) so why not a drivers license?

      Really the best tool is a Bulk Eraser designed for standard audio cassette tapes. They are very cheap on ebay and only about 20 bucks new from a [real] A/V supply shop.

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    11. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Stonent1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I doubt killing the stripe is going to cause a big deal anyway. All they have to do is run your license number (or SSN, which is the same in many states)

      I think this info is more along the lines of offline data. So in the instance that their database is down, they can still get some general data on you. Also, those 2d barcodes... Anyone remember the old Macintosh magazines that had those in the back and you scanned them in for free programs?

    12. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by afidel · · Score: 1

      What world do you live in? My pair of sub $200 Cerwin Vega 3 ways have Neodymium magnets for the midrange with a flux density around 17K Gauss. It's not like powerfull speaker magnets are hard to come by. Besides almost every geek has at least one high strength magnet at his disposal, take out the voice coil magnet from an old HDD, many of these are rare-earth with high flux densities.

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    13. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by annisette · · Score: 3, Interesting
      When I bought my portable music recording system it was from an old timer in the business.

      He told me about recycling reel to reel tapes with a demagnitizer (or any tape for that manner), I bought one about 2x the size of a hockey puck, never used it but he told me it was a loaded gun around tapes and to be careful or you could nick another tape moving it around to the one you wanted to erase.

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    14. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Ben+Jackson · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It probably said much the same thing as the plain text, so all you've done is force the officer to pay attention to your license more carefully than he would have if he'd just swiped it. You already said you got questioned about it -- don't you think the officer also checked your records extra carefully when he was able to pull them up despite your trick?

      If you're handing your license to an officer you're way beond anonymity. Your best hope at that point is to keep a low profile.

    15. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      license number (or SSN, which is the same in many states)

      Which is, of course, illegal... But since when does the government care about legalitic.

    16. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by foidulus · · Score: 1

      Hehe, though you can't buy alcohol unless your magstripe works right, at least everywhere I have been(Pittsburgh and State College). Everywhere I go swipes my card(it could also be that the piece of crap hologram is almost invisible now, so everyone assumes my id is fake till they swipe it, almost got kicked out of a bar once cuz they thought it was fake)

    17. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Buck2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fact is, if they tried to pull that shit in real life, they'd probably get the shit beaten out of them. But since you can live anonymously behind a monitor, you're like a drunken asshole full of "courage".

      You've obviously never been a drunken asshole full of courage. It's pretty different than random whining and pompous condescensions.

      I think the physically present part helps to make everything a bit more real.

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    18. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Newtlink · · Score: 0

      you are a dumbass..

      http://www.johnsonsmith.com/website/store/produc t_ detail.asp=UID=2004013010555423&item_no=4095&keywo rd=saleitemjs&cat_keyword=saleitemjs&search_page_n o=1

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    19. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he was aiing for anonymity or trying to avoid the police officer checking up on him. I think he was just uncomfortable with the thought of data he couldn't read about himself being carried around on him.

    20. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Try walking next to an MRI. That always works for me.

      Just don't have any other metal on your person!

    21. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Zeriel · · Score: 1

      Secret to State College and Pittsburgh bars and liquor stores. Grow a beard, be polite, and buy more expensive alcohol, and you will NEVER be carded. (what kind of 20-yr-old would buy $30/750ml alcohol for himself, after all?)

      Ah, the times this dodge saved me. Sure, I drank less, but it was better stuff.

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    22. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      Though even then, you could be lying!

    23. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by chihowa · · Score: 1
      Yeah, the first time I used the NMR machine at school, I forgot to take my wallet out of my pocket. Later realized that I needed all new credit cards.

      Whoops.

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    24. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by AnonymousNoMore · · Score: 1

      And while you're at it, please brush up on your social skills, ok?

      You are kidding right? You're asking a guy who sits at a terminal issuing "truth" with the identity of a coward to brush up on social skills? I think you need to quit playing with all those strong magnets.

    25. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Let's end this: a speaker magnet from the average 15" woofer will readily destroy a credit card (first hand experience) so why not a drivers license?

      When they first started putting mag stripes on the licenses, California CLAIMED that they didn't use ferrite, but a higher-coercivity material that requires a much higher flux density to be affected. This is to keep it from being accidentally or deliberately erased, or modified by off-the-shelf mag stripe card writers.

      Of course that just means you would need a STRONGER magnet to erase it than you would for a normal credit card. (And that's assuming they weren't just lying.)

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    26. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Aidtopia · · Score: 1
      If you're handing your license to an officer you're way beond anonymity. Your best hope at that point is to keep a low profile.

      True, but other people want access to the data on the mag stripe as well. Often, when I write a check at a store, the clerk asks to swipe my license. I always refuse. I tell them that they're welcome to copy my name and ID number from the license, but I'll not make it easy for them to grab my address and other info for snail-mail spamming, data reporting, etc.

      It would be less confrontational if I could just have a "defective" mag stripe.

      Furthermore, when California first put the stripes on the licenses, there was a bit of a controversy. Two of the tracks are available to standard readers and contain nothing more than what's printed on the front of your license. But there's a third track, which is recorded at a much higher density and in a format that was incompatible with commonly available readers. The DMV refused to disclose what information they were recording in this third track.

    27. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Lev13than · · Score: 1

      Anyone remember the old Macintosh magazines that had those in the back and you scanned them in for free programs?

      I think you're talking about the Cauzin Softstrip.

      You could get the latest shareware in your magazines, print your own barcodes and mail software to your friends. Interesting concept for a time when CD-ROMs didn't exist, a box of floppies cost $50 and the Internet was more like a strand than a web. Plus, it was easier than trying to use Kermit.

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    28. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Abm0raz · · Score: 1

      Unless you goto the SportsCafe. I will still card you. Yes, I have even carded my own mother. :)

      -Ab

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      Nothing fails quite like prayer.
    29. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Zeriel · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I only go to SportsCafe for the cheap cheeseburgers. =P

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    30. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Abm0raz · · Score: 1

      I work there and I only go for the $.25 wings on Tuesday and Penguin games. Now that their turning it into a dance club on weekends, I don't even want to work then.

      -Ab

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      Nothing fails quite like prayer.
    31. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magnets are measured with a ruler, you dickhead. Magnetic flux is measured in gauss.

      Let me kill two birds with one stone and point out that "your also a liar" is is correctly written with an apostrophe as in:

      You're an idiot!

    32. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some magnetic recording media are a lot harder to erase than others.

      At the studio where I used to work we had a bulk tape eraser that was capable of blanking out a reel of 2" analog tape.

      One of the engineers once asked me to try bulk erasing a few RDATs. I spent several minutes rubbing the things right on the bulk eraser's magnet cores only to find that they still played back just fine- the block error rate was slightly higher, but not beyond the capabilities of the error correction system.

      Hard to say about a speaker magnet, but if you want to get at the area of highest flux density, slice the cone out and try to jam the card into the gap- or, if you have a 2" throat compression driver handy, open it up, remove the diaphragm and use the gap the same way- that way you can reassemble the driver afterwards and still use it.

    33. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Zeriel · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except that SportsCafe wings suck. Champs all the way for that.

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    34. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Abm0raz · · Score: 1

      Our wings are, how should I say, 'suspect' in size, but we have the best flavors in town. Nothing compares to spicy-ranch. As for Champs, I've never been there. I won't go to any bar I have to drive to. Personal choice. Maybe someday i'll ride the bus out there, but as it is, when I go out, I get shit-faced beyond recognition, so driving to a bar is out.

      -Ab

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      Nothing fails quite like prayer.
    35. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Zeriel · · Score: 1

      Eh, I live in Bellefonte these days, so it's either drive or go to a shitty bar. Champs wings are best precisely because they are NOT suspect in size, and I generally don't get shit-faced at bars--one, it's too expensive, two, I have a fraternity house I'm an alum of for that, and three, Champs is a damn good place to go and get a plate of wings and a beer or two and watch monday night football.

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    36. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Abm0raz · · Score: 1

      I usually frequent the Skellar. Their $2/dozen wings (nice sized ones, not the little crap you see else where) are good. $3 pitchers of beer 24-7-365 can get me nice and buzzed for under $15. I too have a fraternity house to go back to (alum as of 2000), but I tend to drink more than most of them do these days. Damn kids.

      -Ab

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      Nothing fails quite like prayer.
    37. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 1

      Ah, back in the day (1990) Champs had 10 cent wing nights. 50 wings, $5. What do they go for now?

    38. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time for another episode of spot the mistakes!
      These are in order, you just have to match them back.

      of
      you're
      license
      It's
      you're
      license,
      tha n 1000 gauss.
      it's
      way,

    39. Re:Death to magnetic stripes by Zeriel · · Score: 1

      A quarter per as of 2003, so $5 gets you 20 anymore, but still worth every penny.

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  27. I'm not sure I care about this.-Dead right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "In my opinion, we're less than 100 years away from basically a total lack of "privacy.""

    I'll be dead by then. Have fun.

    1. Re:I'm not sure I care about this.-Dead right by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > I'll be dead by then. Have fun.

      You know, it sounds cold, but I have the same attitude. History plainly shows that there are "bad times" and "good times," although the good times aren't particularly "good" for everyone. Despite ups & Downs, the world goes on, and no individual will really change it (probably).

      Sure, an individual can make a big difference in a single century, and in the case of Jesus, (whether you are religious or not, he made a difference) even two thousand years, but certainly no one has affected others 3000 years later. 1000 years from now will be entirely different than today, and each individual has little/no way to change that.

      Anyway, this lack of privacy will either happen or not happen (at a given time), and in the long run it makes absolutely no difference to anyone currently alive or those alive long after.

      I am of the philosophy that you do what you can to make today good enough; yer gonna die, get over it, I have no responsibility to change anything for future generations. Hell, I have no responsibility to change anything for THIS generation, although I may have the desire for those things that will improve my life (and the lives of those around me, if I am so inclined).

      This is a pretty long & OT response for a one-liner...

  28. Credit cards by k4_pacific · · Score: 2, Informative

    I work with Point-of-sale systems, so I know what is on a credit card. There are two tracks of data. The first contains the credit card number, name, expiration date and some checksum info. The second contains number and expiration date again, with more checksum. That is all. Also, the first digit of the account number indicates what kind of card it is:
    3 - Amex
    4 - Visa
    5 - MasterCard
    6 - Discover

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    1. Re:Credit cards by Nashirak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually the first digit doesnt always tell what kind of card it is. You can also work the checksum algorithm from simply the numbers (This is called the Luhn alogrithm). The way credit cards are usually handled is as follows:
      (where the numbers are the first numbers of the credit card number)
      Visa - 4
      Mastercard - 51-55
      Discover - 6011
      Amex - 34

      In fact credit card companies have a specific range of numbers to pull from, clubs have another range, and there a few other number ranges that are broken up... see:

      http://www.merriampark.com/anatomycc.htm for a better indepth overview.

    2. Re:Credit cards by BigDish · · Score: 1

      I know that's not totally right - I've seen AmEx numbers start 37. It seems to be in the right direction though.

  29. more like 10 yrs by bobalu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's more like 10 yrs, but this is a very good point which I believe is overlooked by the pols. A truly independent data mining approach like the Total Information Awareness debacle of the less-noticed state-based "Matrix" program would catch all the associations between politicians and graft. Tthe GAO sued to get Dick Cheney to identify the parties in his energy task force, unsuccessfully. If that were public knowledge... in real time... hmmm. Maybe time to buy stock in the human courier business.

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  30. Re:If nobody ever bothers to RTFA... by falzer · · Score: 1

    I bet it's all the anonymous cowards.

  31. Mirror of the barcode reader file by yknott · · Score: 2, Informative
    Here is a mirror of the barcode reader file: http://www.waiknott.com/mirror/SwipeBarcode.jar

    Here are the instructions: This SWIPE tool allows you to crack a 2D barcode. Ever noticed the barcode on the backside of your license? Ever wondered what information it stores or why it is even there? Use our online application or the stand-alone program and put an end to the mystery! It is your data, so shouldn't you have a look? Learn more about the 2D barcode and your driver's license.

    WHAT YOU NEED TO BEGIN

    1. Check to see if your driver's license has a 2D barcode. Currently 39 states use the 2D barcode to encode personal information on the backside of drivers' licenses. Look for a band of black and white squares in a random pattern.

    This thing here is a 2D barcode.

    2. Make a digital image of your driver's license barcode. You can either use a scanner or a digital camera to create this image. The image you create must be a color GIF file or a very high quality JPEG without compression artifacts. The image file size should be roughly 500k to 1.5MB and can not be larger than 2MB. The license image should be 1000-1500 pixels wide and make sure it is rightside up. For good results, this image must be in sharp focus with high contrast.

    Based on recent use, our Toolkit participants are getting better results with scanned images than images taken with a digital camera. If you use a digital camera, be sure to point the camera directly at the barcode and the license is level in respect to the lens.

    3. Decide if you want to use the online application or stand-alone program to decode your barcode. We have made two versions of our barcode decoder: an online version and a stand-alone program. They both will return the same results; the only difference is the stand-alone program allows you to decode locally on your hard drive. The online version is a little bit easier to use, but you will have to upload your barcode image to our server.

    Note: We are not archiving any image files for future use. We will, however, keep track of the different kinds of information each state encodes on its drivers' licenses. This research will be made available to our SWIPE Toolkit visitors. No specific data or identifying information will ever be stored on our server.

    Now it is time to decode! Please contact us if you have any problems or questions.

    1. Re:Mirror of the barcode reader file by Bobulusman · · Score: 1

      Hate to say, it doesn't work for me.

      I'm running the jar file. I loaded in the image. I pressed decode. Some various colored boxes appeared on the image, but they don't seem to mean anything. It hasn't done anything else.

      Crud.

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    2. Re:Mirror of the barcode reader file by erlenic · · Score: 1

      Look in the upper left corner of the image in the windows. If there is no printing there, there should be a new window opened with the decoding in it. At least that's the way it worked for me on XP.

  32. Use the "Fletch" Approach to disappear.... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Always register for customer loyalty cards under phony names: Ted Nugent, Harry Truman, and John Cocktosen are favorites.

    Need a fake SSN for your long distance service? (Really they don't need this) use 078-05-1120. It's an Eisenhower era specimen number that works 99% of the time.

    Wired has a great story that these are pulled from. See it here

    1. Re:Use the "Fletch" Approach to disappear.... by coolmacdude · · Score: 5, Informative

      Need a fake SSN for your long distance service? (Really they don't need this) use 078-05-1120. It's an Eisenhower era specimen number that works 99% of the time.

      LOL, not anymore.

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      -You may license this sig for only $6.99.
    2. Re:Use the "Fletch" Approach to disappear.... by MImeKillEr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just because the number the OP posted isn't accepted by the SSA, this doesn't mean that it won't work for Randall's or any other place with a 'loyalty' card. It's not like this is a credit card and requires an SSN that matches your personal info.

      I'd take it one step further - start a group to swap owner loyalty cards to munge their marketing data up.

      --
      Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
  33. Re:If nobody ever bothers to RTFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the threat of a slashdot is enough to have most servers grind to a halt in respect. You don't get here just looking pretty, kid.

  34. Re:If nobody ever bothers to RTFA... by TexVex · · Score: 1

    I'd be willing to bet the majority (if not the vast majority) of Slashdot readers simply RTFA, maybe follow the links, and then move along. They have neither the time nor the inclination to read, much less post on, these forums.

    --
    Fun with Anagarams! LADS HOST, SHALT DOS. HAS DOLTS. AD SLOTHS, HATS SOLD. ASS HO, LTD.
  35. Article Contents by Honor · · Score: 1, Redundant
    THE SWIPE TOOLKIT: INTRO

    The SWIPE Toolkit is a collection of web-based tools that sheds light on personal data collection and usage practices in the United States. The tools demonstrate the value of personal information on the open market and enable people to access information encoded on a driver's license or stored in some of the many commercial data warehouses.

    Decode Your Barcode

    This application unveils the mystery of the 2D barcode. Currently 39 states use 2D barcodes to digitally store personal information on the backside of drivers' licenses. What information is encoded on your license that machines can read and you cannot?

    Request Your Data

    Send away for your information that commercial data warehouses collect about you and sell to third party clients. What does this information look like, how accurate is it, and who is buying it? Take a look at your data files and find out for yourself. Currently we can help you send away for information from ChoicePoint, Acxiom, LocatePlus and Experian. Report back here when you receive your data and help us keep track of the companies' response times and accuracy.

    Data Calculator

    How much is your personal information worth? Why are you just giving it away whenever it is requested? Use this handy calculator to determine the fair market value of your data bits so you can demand proper monetary compensation. Now when you release information that will later be sold for a profit, at least you'll be getting a cut. Use this calculator here online or download it to your PDA and make calculations "on the go."

    The SWIPE Toolkit is part of a larger project titled SWIPE that includes a performance, installation, and workshop. For more information about SWIPE, visit www.we-swipe.us or contact info@we-swipe.us. SWIPE is produced by Beatriz da Costa, Jamie Schulte, and Brooke Singer.

    The SWIPE Toolkit is a 2003 commission of New Radio and Performing Arts, Inc. (aka Ether-Ore) for its Turbulence web site. It was made possible with funding from the Jerome Foundation. And special thanks to Chris Hoofnagle for his advice and support.

    Privacy Notice: We collect information only to provide the online barcode decoder service, and do not maintain the information afterwards. You will be prompted to delete your image from our server immediately after a successful decode or we do so automatically within ten minutes of service. In addition we provide a downloadable version so that you can use the "Decode Your Barcode" tool on your personal computer without any transfer of personal information at all.

    link to the 38 states supported here

    1. Re:Article Contents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want me to send you my cc info? I was born, but I wasn't born yesterday. Sheesh!

  36. If someone bothers you - that's your problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you cannot stand Christians, then so be it. But giving up your privacy for that, or even imposing it on others - that's stupid.

  37. Then you must be good by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 1

    because good is Dumb ;)

  38. Copy of Standalone Reader by theGreater · · Score: 3, Informative

    gzipped jar here

    I've always wanted to see if my school's MS only infrastructure could stand up to a good pounding...

    -theGreater Slacker.

    PS: They say to scan your license in so that it's between 1500 and 2500 pixels long, or between 1 and 2 MB in size. I don't have a scanner, though. Or a job.

    1. Re:Copy of Standalone Reader by DanoTime · · Score: 1

      ...or a license.

  39. NYS by Quixote · · Score: 2, Informative
    New York State uses a PDF417 barcode too at the back of the license.

    I remember when it first started being used, and we happened to be working on a PDF417 decoding program.

    We ran the license's barcode through our decoder, and found that the only "encryption" used in the barcode was to store the data in binary mode, instead of the text (alphanumeric) mode.

    NYS also puts PDF417s on the car registration stickers.

    I wonder what use are these, without a PGP (or similar) signature?

    1. Re:NYS by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      quicker to swipe/scan than it is to in yer dl#.

      --
      I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
    2. Re:NYS by Xoder · · Score: 1

      As An NYS resident who cannot get his barcode to decode with this package, can you tell me what kinds of information is on my card? (I have even tried scans as high as 1500 DPI, creating huge JPEGs and TIFFs (which can't even be read), and yet I fail to generate meaningful data)

      --
      The previous sig has been removed due to /. protecting your best interests
    3. Re:NYS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing in the code that isn't printed on the front. At least that is the case with mine. It simply consists of fields identified by three letter codes beginning with D: DAZ, DOB, DLC, etc.

      I don't have a PDF417 scanner in front of me so I don't have the codes.

    4. Re:NYS by general_re · · Score: 1
      Heh. I got my NYS barcode to decode. I cropped the image with the scanner so that only the barcode got scanned, not the whole back of the license, and I did it at 600 dpi - the end result was an 1842x348 GIF file, which is larger than the instructions say to use, but it worked, so what the fuck, right? Anyway, I didn't do any tweaking beyond that, so give it a whirl.

      But in case you don't get it to work, here's what's on the back of your license:

      Name=
      Address=
      City=
      State=
      Zipcode=
      Driver License Number=
      Driver Classification Code=
      Driver Restriction Code=
      Driver Endorsements Code=
      License Expiration Date=
      License Issued Date=
      Date of Birth=
      Sex=
      Height=
      Eye Color=
      Social Security Number=
      Organ Donor=

      Pretty much what's on the front of the license, in other words. Interestingly, even though there's a field for SSN, it's actually empty, at least on my barcode - there's a space for a SSN, but no SSN actually there.

      --
      ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
    5. Re:NYS by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      Turn the contrast very high up so you dont see the shadow in the barcode, so it looks nearly black and white. Mine worked for me.

  40. Oh, this can't be good... by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 3, Funny


    My barcode decodes to "THX-1138"...

  41. Re:If nobody ever bothers to RTFA... by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 1

    You're obviously quite new here (and it didn't take me looking at your number to figure that out). Taco's been bitching about that for 3 or four years now. People just read links on the home page and that's it. The subscription thing stemed out of that.

    --
    I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
    I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
  42. Fascinating by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    I find this fascinating. Especially the data calculator. Does this accurately depict how much the grocery store gets when they sell my information? That's what I'd really like to know. For all those sites that make you sign up, how much are they then able to sell MY information for?

    It's also interesting to note that "sex offender" is only worth $13. Personally.....I think someone might value it a little more highly than that......

    --
    Buy Steampunk Clothing Online!
    1. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which goes to prove sex doesn't sell like it use to.

  43. I've done this by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was working on an application where the client wanted to be able to swipe a drivers license and get all the user data - name, address, height, weight, etc for quick data entry. We investigated and found that each state has different formats, and not all states put all that info on their cards in mag or bar code formats. We hoped to get all of this info quickly when people test drive a car.

    We would have had to develop a different format for each state and in some cases resorted to scanning and OCR. In they end they decided they can type it in themselves rather then pay for development.

    I did learn that serveral states were considering a standard format. Believe me that marketing companies are DROOLING over the day when every person has their Multi-Pass type card.

    Very interesting to see the dollar amounts though. There should be a column for that on the 1040's. :)

    BTW, to the person who mentioned a use for cue-cat - I have about 50 of them and they don't work that great. They are about 5 bucks on ebay, or free if you take the left overs from your local radio shacks.

  44. Hey, you're lucky by MikeXpop · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mine decodes to "Buy more Ovaltine"

    --
    Etiquette is etiquette. He kills his mother but he can't wear grey trousers.
    1. Re:Hey, you're lucky by inf0rmer · · Score: 0

      Well that ain't nothin. Mine says "All your base are belong to us"... Is that a good thing?

  45. Military Records -- "Jackpot" by akpoff · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I checked out the calculator and found that record values typically range from $0.50 to $10.00. Couple of bonus records:
    • Education: $12.00
    • Employment: $13.00
    • Workers Comp: $18.00
    • Bankruptcy: $26.50
    Court records bring in some big dough:
    • Lawsuits: $2.95
    • Sex Offendors: $13.00
    • Felonies: $16.00
    But the biggest payoff comes for Military Records: $35.00.

    When I got out of the military in the early 90s we were strongly encouraged to take our DD-214 (summary of military records) and submit them to the county clerk when we got back home so they'd become public record, that way if we ever lost it we could go look it up. I'm REAL GLAD(tm) I worked with Privacy Act information for my whole career and developed a healthy reluctance to hand out the juicy tidbits contained on my DD-214, e.g., SS#, DOB, education, and of course your whole military career.

  46. Been Out For A While by CritterNYC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At some point, some time ago, there was a report about the bars in Boston scanning in the 2D codes on the back of licenses and then using it to send junk mail. The bars in New York City do the same thing. They won't let you in without "scanning" your license to be sure it isn't fake. They place it under a blacklight in a reader and it gets scanned. The club then has a record of every person, their address, description, birth date and drivers license that entered the club. On commercial licenses in some states, your Social Security Number is also encoded, so they'd have that, too.

    Remember that, and think twice if the place you're about to enter really needs a complete copy of all the information on your driver's license. I've refused to provide it and taped over the back so noone can scan it quickly before I realize they're trying to. I haven't been refused access to anywhere yet.

    1. Re:Been Out For A While by mariox19 · · Score: 1
      The club then has a record of every person, their address, description, birth date and drivers license that entered the club.

      Good thing the Mob doesn't own any bars in NYC. Think of how that information could be misused!

      --

      quiquid id est, timeo puellas et oscula dantes.

    2. Re:Been Out For A While by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      If punkass kids wouldn't try to get into a frickin bar, the State wouldn't need this shit.

  47. Re:THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! by BandwidthHog · · Score: 0

    I don't breathe, you insensitive clod!

    --

    Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
  48. Data Mining on Slashdot by TexTex · · Score: 0

    For those who can't get to the page, here's how it works...

    1. Create java app to upload data from scanned images.
    2. Submit Slashdot story relevant to information privacy.
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

    --
    -Barkeep, a draft of your most hazardous brew, for the world is slowly stepping into focus, and I don't like what I see.
  49. Swipe this big bro.... by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I took my DL and dropped it on the concrete, stood on it and twisted it on the concrete to render the bar code un-readable.

    Then I took a LARGE degausser and nuked the mag-stripe into absolute oblivion.
    And everytime I present my DL to any institution at their request/demand, I degauss it all over again, just to be sure in case they reprogrammed the mag-stripe.

    When I go to the bank they have to use the phone and verify my license by reading the numbers over the phone since it is no longer machine readable.
    Same thing when Mr. Busy Body policeman pulls me over to see if I have illegal farts in my pants or something. They tell me my license is "not working right" and that I need to have it replaced. I just tell them yeah, I dropped it and it got ran over in the driveway and that I am going to take care of it right away.. Yeah right.

    Soo sorry, I don't play their game, I play the game my own way..

    1. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soo sorry, I don't play their game, I play the game my own way..

      Oh, what a big man you are! Hey, lemme buy you a pack of gum, I'll show you how to chew it.

    2. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by jayhawk88 · · Score: 1

      Thank God that you make Big Brother go to a little extra trouble to find our your DMV-recorded address, your weight when you were 18 years old, and the color of your eyes.

      Jesus, get a life before you end up drilling a hole in your left temple.

    3. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      Right...

      All of the informatiion in that 2D barcode (or the magstripe, for that matter) is in the DMV database. With your license number, they can look it up easily.

    4. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad that about %90 of the time they're too stupid to do so in real time. :P

    5. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      You don't understand. I know it's there. But I *make* them look it up the old fashioned way. If they want the info, they have to work for it.

      The idea is that the DL is no longer machine readable, it *IS* human readable and they have to read the number with their eyes and go through a pain in the ass procedure to get the info.

      It's a form of semi-passive protest of machine readable ID...

    6. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you fairy, you company man!

    7. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think everyone does understand. You're an idiot.

    8. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      But I *make* them look it up the old fashioned way.

      You don't make them do anything. Everytime a cop pulls behind you, a camera records your license plate, and the cop gets a nice little screen full of information about you. Far more than anything stored on that magnetic strip.

      So unless you're going to be driving someone elses car, you aren't doing anything but wasting your time.

    9. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember that the shiny side of the tinfoil goes on the inside of the hat.

    10. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > > I play the game my own way..
      > Oh, what a big man you are!

      Nice compliment, but I didn't know you two were that close. Basically, STFU, he appears to have the same philosophy as I, which is I'm free to do what I damn well please, and I don't have to "play along" just because some jerk with an attitude problem wears an ugly blue (or brown) suit and thinks my choices don't gel with his arrogant view of authority.

      As much as I can't stand most rap music, "Fuck the Police." Truer words were never spoken. BTW, I don't mean all police are necessarily bad, but the way they act & are told to act is complete B.S. Most cops I have met have a holier-than-thou complex just because of their job. They can kiss my ass. I don't want to see a fucking cop EVER, unless I call them to report something stolen or whatever (of course I would also expect to see them if I stole something or did "whatever").

    11. Re:Swipe this big bro.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, get a life before you end up drilling a hole in your left temple.

      I'm right-handed, you insensitive clod!

  50. Re:Why are hamsters so cute? by Musc · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I will tell you why hamsters are so cute.

    Hamster eyes are rainbow crystals that serve as a gateway between this reality and another hidden reality that you can access only through hamsters.

    --
    Hamsters are at least as feathery as penguins. HamLix
  51. Post links to online sources of personal data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Let's have a thread here of nothing but links to places you can get personal data for free online. I'll start us off:

    1. First name, last name and zip code to birthdate
    2. First name, last name, city and state to phone number and address
    3. Phone number to name, address, city, state and zip code
    1. Re:Post links to online sources of personal data by ghettoboy22 · · Score: 1

      This website is mine

      Alaska Resident Search

      I have linked in the (mailing) addresses of virtually the entire State of Alaska thanks to our Permanent Fund Dividend program. I also purchased a copy of the Voter Registration database, and the Division of Occupational Licencing db (that one has DOB's).

  52. Damn... by hustin · · Score: 1

    So does that mean I won't be able to patent my /. UID after all?

  53. "move into the wilds of Canada and forget society" by rs79 · · Score: 1

    Dude, I'm like SO here already. Society finds you, don't you worry about that.

    "all this and dialup, too. Woo hoo!"

    --
    Need Mercedes parts ?
  54. Used at Six-Flags theme park by danwiz · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I was at Six-Flags theme park last summer and they scanned my Connecticut driver's license to determine if I was of legal age for a $4 cup of beer. They trusted the scanner and didn't even bother looking at the birthdate on the front. I now have concerns that my purchase info is in the company's database. If (or when?) this data is sold it could affect my health/life/auto insurance, privacy, etc.

    Also, if I were stopped by the police on the way home this data could declare me guilty of DUI before proven innocent. Pretty bad since my girlfriend coaxed the beer away for herself before I could drink it.

    1. Re:Used at Six-Flags theme park by Skater · · Score: 1

      1. Check their privacy policy.

      2. Demand a breathalyzer. It's your right.

      --RJ

  55. It may sound bad.. by mog007 · · Score: 1

    I'd like to know if I could sell this information personally? I could use the extra money, and I'm the most reliable source of information about... er... myself.

    Thirty Five bucks for my military records? No problem. "\0" is a valid value to code with, so I can use it for this, right?

    I like the old school MacOS calculator, nice touch.

  56. I got my barcode on my leg by MajorDick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I got a barcode of my DOB and SSN tatooed on my leg, I needed a 'cover up" tat for scar and (Yes I did the unimaginable and had my Ex's name tatooed on me :) Anyhow about 8 years ago I wanted to get the mess on my leg covered up, I thought about all kinds of stuff but needed something fairly solid, Soooo, barcode it was , (my cuecat will even read it :)

    1. Re:I got my barcode on my leg by ghettoboy22 · · Score: 1

      What format?

    2. Re:I got my barcode on my leg by curtisk · · Score: 1
      What format?

      I would think it would have to be a 1-D code, any of the UPCs,EANs or CODE 39/128

      PDF417 is very picky even on printed documents, let alone on human skin! 1-D codes are very forgiving

      And all I need to scan these types of barcodes, is a scanner plugged into a serial port and good ol' Hyperterminal set to the COM port, but if you want to be able to read the data fairly easily, capture it to a text file.

      --

      Sehr geehrter Toilettenbenutzer!

  57. It had to be said: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All your info are belong to us.

  58. shoplifting by bagofbeans · · Score: 1

    Hmmm... isn't shoplifting a misdemeanor not a felony?

    1. Re:shoplifting by cybermace5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That depends. Shoplifting becomes a felony at certain levels. For example, in Georgia, the threshold is $300.00, or it's your fourth offense for ANY amount, or you took $100 from three different stores within 7 days. Once you hit felony shoplifting, the minimum sentence is 1 year. The max is ten years. Other states have different rules no doubt, but Georgia's came up first in Google.

      Not really a thing to be playing around with. If they catch this guy on tape taking these things, and he racks up to the threshold before they catch and convict him, he's doing time. That'll ruin your life pretty well.

      --
      ...
  59. Re:THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 1

    hey, you troll bastard ! I can't stop , well, um, BREATHING because of you! It's worse than the Small World ride song! ACK!

  60. Swipe Project needs Accurint by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Swipe Project should sign up for Accurint, so that when you put in your card, you get your whole dossier. That would show people how much is known about them.

  61. [OT] Free state project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Sigh... it almost makes me want to join ESR and the rest of the Free Staters."

    Me too. Only I mean it in the same cynical way that Rush Limbaugh might like to see Howard Dean win the democratic nomination.

    Laissez-faire capitalism has never worked, and can never work because it utterly fails to deal with externalities. I think it would be instructive for the Ayn Rand-quoting pseudo libertarians to see just what happens to the unlucky state (particularly real estate values) when all government "interference" is removed from the capitalist system.

    1. Re:[OT] Free state project by Plugh · · Score: 1
      Blockquoth an AC:
      Laissez-faire capitalism has never worked, and can never work

      Funny that you mention it... I've actually been wondering about this for awhile. What are the best historical examples of as-close-to-pure laissez-faire capitalism as have happened in the real world?

      I'm serious in asking. I know plenty of examples of Socialist and Communist economies. "19th-century America" is often quoted as being close to pure capitalism. But I haven't seen any good, preferably peer-reviewed analyses of various degrees of capitalism. I'm not looking for theory or Ayn Rand novel references; I'm looking for social- or economics- science dissertations or whitepapers.

      I'm no bigot; if the facts contradict my opinion, my opinion is forced to change. Can anybody provide a useful URL or book reference one way or the other?

      Thanks In Advance!

    2. Re:[OT] Free state project by aralin · · Score: 1
      Actually, there are no examples of communist economy in the history on larger scale than a single city. It has never been tried. What existed in most of the 'communist' countries was a sort of perverted form of socialism. But while in a true socialism, everybody does their best to full extent of his abilities and is rewarded according to his contribution (in communism reward is based on your needs), in the 'communist' countries except for a short time right after WW2, nobody did their best, not even close to it, you were rewarded based on your ability to not stick your head up and keep quiet and steal as much of 'commons' as you could.

      That is the only reason why it did not work. People were not motivated to do the best according to their abilities when their leaders didn't do their best either. On the other hand, if you compare the early years of socialism (48' to 53') you will find out that it by far outpaced the growth of any capitalist/democratic economy.

      --
      If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
  62. link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    more info on that legislation:

    The House Judiciary Committee approved controversial legislation Wednesday that extends protection for facts within databases which are not currently eligible for copyright protection.

    Opponents to the bill claim it is special interest legislation that will ultimately make it more difficult and costly to access public information.

    The Database and Collections of Information Misappropriation Act (H.R. 3261) allows database owners to sue in civil court for damages arising from the theft of the information in the database

  63. Unamerican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Get it in your head once and for good: "People are not equal! People will never be equal!"

    So you and aralin would dispute The Declaration of Independence in stating that it is a self-evident truth that all men are created equal? That in fact you believe that the very cornerstone of the US's entire existence as a nation is actually wrong? How weirdly unamerican. I would encourage you to follow through on moving in with the Free Staters, except they don't really want to actually leave the comfort of the US, just move to New Hampshire, where they can whine about taxes and operate their vehicles without helmets or seatbelts. Very radical and principled. Not.

    1. Re:Unamerican by Plugh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No, no, no... "All men are created equal" relates to Equality in the eyes of the Law.

      What we're saying (and what Libertarians, Objectivists, Capitalists, and generally people of such bent have been saying for decades) is that people are NOT equal in terms of: intelligence, looks, motivation, parental fortune, geographical accident, etc.

      Do yourself a favor, it will take only 5 minutes of your time. Carefully read the following blockquote and its link.(shamelessly copied from the Idea Channel)

      The Declaration of Independence says, "all men are created equal." [Milton] Friedman explains that this did not mean all persons should or will have equal talents or income. Equal opportunity to better one's self, and the right to personally benefit from the gains realized, are consistent with freedom. Equality of results requires force.

  64. What about the supermarket. by Malcontent · · Score: 1

    If you go to the supermarket they pull the old "give us your personal information or we will rip you off" routine.

    You just can't win.

    --

    War is necrophilia.

    1. Re:What about the supermarket. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not shop at markets that require a card to get the discounts. Tell them why you will not shop there anymore. There are two markets in the Atlanta
      area that do not require them, Publix and Save-rite.
      Vote with your dollars, vote often. Support businesses who treat you with respect. If these businesses found out that they will lose money by making you use their card, they will stop.

    2. Re:What about the supermarket. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do shop at at a market that uses a card, you can claim that you left it at home. They'll ask for a phone number give them someone elses. Sometimes the cashier will swipe their own cards for you too.

  65. New Career? by GoodbyeBlueSky1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Alright, I didn't see any posts on this and I know I was wondering:

    I know it'd be damn near impossible to find someone who'd qualify for all of these, but nevertheless the total I came up with was $277.60 for the various types of info. And I'd imagine most of us could get at least $100 (SSN, Cell #, DOB, etc. all add up).

    Now, I didn't see this on any of the sites but is this a one-time lifetime-rights-sold deal or maybe ... a monthly gig? Could I supplement my income at the expense of marketing scum?

    Join the revolution

    --
    why? forty-two.
  66. No digital sigantures? by supersat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm surprised these 2D barcodes don't have digital signatures encoded in them to verify the authenticity of the data. I think it'd cut down on the number of fake IDs used.

    Many places are now using the 2D barcode to verify your age, but in many jurisdictions (such as Oregon), when you change your address, they issue you a plain STICKER with your new PDF417 barcode printed on it. Anyone with knowledge of the AAMVA standard could create their own barcode sticker, making them any age they want. This is precisely why digital signatures are needed.

    When someone asks for your ID, they'd scan it into a device, which would use the issuing jurisdiction's public signature to verify the digital signature on the barcode. Assuming the data is authentic, it'd then display the encoded data on a display. The person checking your ID would compare the data on the display to that printed on the front of your ID. If both match, you can be fairly certain the ID is legit.

    Of course, there'd probably have to be a law prohibiting places from storing your personal data without your explicit consent.

    If you're curious about the exact data format of the barcodes and magstripes, check out the AAMVA DL/ID standard at http://www.aamva.org/Documents/stdAAMVADLIDStandrd 000630.pdf (2000 edition) or http://www.aamva.org/Documents/stdAAMVADLIDCardSpe cs_092003.pdf (2003 edition). Among other things, it also spells out recommended security measures.

    1. Re:No digital sigantures? by Xentor · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that there is a national standard for the bar codes on licenses and registrations, but every state follows different pieces of it.

      There is a subset of required fields, but after that, each state government adopting the standard chooses what to encode. There are also custom fields, so each state can do their own thing entirely. Some states actually encode your license PICTURE in the barcode, so when it's scanned, the officer can display your photo on a handheld and verify that the license is legit.

      I could relate a rather annoying story of trying to write a decoding program for a certain state's license, that uses a proprietary image format... But I'll refrain. The company controlling said format is STILL sending me junk e-mail...

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      "The amount of intelligence on this planet is a constant. The population is growing." -Cole's Axiom
  67. Oh yeah? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Well, my California drivers license expired over a month ago! I guess I got you both beat....

  68. Who is driving that cellphone ? by andyr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Folks,

    I live in South Africa - one of many countries that use the GSM mobile standard. Here I have a pay-as-you-go SIM card, meaning that I am almost anonymous.

    Going on a month business trip to Australia - I plan on doing the same thing - get a pay-as-you-go card, so I take my GSM phone over.

    Go to the corner store - "Starter pack please".

    "Sorry Sir, we need you to fill out all this information - Gov regulations, sorry."

    Name, passport number, other phone numbers, drivers licence, DOB, blah blah.

    I fill it all out.

    "After they verify the information, your SIM card will be turned on"

    Every single piece of info was wrong, yet my phone came on the next day.

    Cheers, Andy!

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    Andy Rabagliati
    1. Re:Who is driving that cellphone ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      During my research on information quality I interviewed a database marketer from South Africa (now working here in Australia). Since Australia does not have an SSN or similar, he found his job a lot harder. He mentioned that in SA the SSN is not just a key but has quite a bit of info encoded in it - including race!

      Can anyone confirm this?

    2. Re:Who is driving that cellphone ? by andyr · · Score: 1
      Can anyone confirm this?
      I think it used to be true, but no longer. I am not a South African citizen. A quick Google turned up some more info.

      Cheers, Andy!

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      Andy Rabagliati
    3. Re:Who is driving that cellphone ? by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      Cheers, Andy!

      So it was you who wrote MyDoom! Good one!

    4. Re:Who is driving that cellphone ? by Jo_2521 · · Score: 1

      You could get into trouble because of this.

      I don't know about other countries, but if you happen to live near the border in Germany and happen to get into a police control your mobile might get checked for theft by them.

      Now imagine if they find out that your mobile apparently belongs to someone different...

  69. Software For 1-D by lhaeh · · Score: 1
    http://www.softeksoftware.co.uk/ Its commercial but you can d/l the trial to play with it.

  70. Thumbs Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great idea, wacky delivery.

    1. The web site is screwy; opening secondary windows with no navigation or status lines so you can see what is going on is annoying and serves no good purpose. Because I could not see the link for the actual download when I hovered the mouse over it, I was caught off guard when my browser then tried to make an outbound connection on port 7777 to some unknown IP address, and I initially blocked the connection until I figured out what was up.

    2. If you want people to download and run your software, give them something they can download and run that's comparable to 99% of all the other software that they use on their respective platforms. For Linux boxes, that means .tar.gz ./configure; make; make install, for Windows boxes that means an .exe and for Macs... I don't know what that means for Macs, but I'll bet it ain't a .jar file.

    Have a great day!

    1. Re:Thumbs Down by slartibart · · Score: 1

      Hahaha. You've never used java before, and it sounds like you've never even heard of it, otherwise you'd know it's platform independent.

  71. What's so good about debit cards? by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uh the very idea of using debit card should scare you more.

    You're going around to various different entities of differing trustworthiness and paying them using your debit card - i.e. using YOUR MONEY. Anything goes wrong (double charges etc), it's YOUR MONEY that's involved and you're the one running around trying to fix things.

    With a credit card you're paying those different entities the Card Issuer's money, NOT yours. When you look at your card statement, if anything is wrong (item didn't arrive, faulty, incorrect charges etc), you complain to the Card Issuer and refuse to pay the problem amount. You just sit easy whilst the Card Issuer settles it with the rest of the parties involved (Merchants, Banks, Cops etc). In many card cloning cases the Card Issuer contacts you before you notice the problems, and issues you a new card.

    I really don't understand why so many people prefer using debit cards to credit cards. What are the advantages over credit cards? There are minimal if any privacy advantages. Worse security for the card holders.

    The only advantage could be you can't get into debt as easily. But doh, only the stupid or unfortunate get into serious card debt.

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  72. test run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See what a good scan looks like.

    And this is what a good decoding looks like:

    NCZJGWECBSCYGFFKCXCFEV DVRHU:KFEHBTBXD%%/:40CBDLCA QWTDJBTDHPEEWALEUAITHMXKQEKDANADBJ'NP AHAWWADCZDZE N"KPZRQFSAUVYWUZLY OA

  73. Looks like you want attention by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And you'll get it. After a while some of the cops are going to know you by name AND face - "Yah that one with the broken card again". Plus the cops always have to pull your records from the online database for checks - so you might show up in a DB statistic/log somewhere. They can't just go - "Cards ok, looks like just another Joe, move along now".

    If you want some semblance of anonymity, you hide in the herd. Or you go move somewhere else totally.

    You don't hang around the herd looking and behaving different from everyone else, unless you want to be singled out on a regular basis. If the herd is chewing cud, you don't go around stomping unless you want to attract attention.

    The NSA etc don't give a damn about the 80-90%. It's the unusual ones they watch.

    The marketeers are interested in the 80%, but if you behave just like everyone else and hide the bits where you are different, you vanish into one of the Common categories.

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  74. New way for credit card theft? by Gadi+Evron · · Score: 1

    It's nothing innovative, but..
    Ever went through a metal detector at the entrance to a store and it beeped because of these magnetic stripes?

    I wonder if one can WAR-WALK in a busy street, or "fix" one of these metal detectors to not only detect but copy the information on the magnetic stripes.

    Dangerous stuff.

    1. Re:New way for credit card theft? by gerardrj · · Score: 1

      No.

      Or at lesst.. you could, but the device would cease to be a metal detector and become something more like an electron microscope thus preventing the very use you metioned.

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      Article X: The powers not delegated... by the Constitution...are reserved...to the people
  75. Donald Duck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donald Duck is going to have a SCREAMING ORGASM when someone decodes HIS bar code!

  76. Re:I am honest in all my dealings by MrBlint · · Score: 0

    I'm not comfortable with the idea that if you are not doing anything wrong then you have no need to worry. I don't think I'm doing anything wrong when I use the bathroom or go to bed at night but I don't want cameras in there.

    --
    That's very perceptive of you Mr Stapleton and rather unexpected in a G Major
  77. Re:ALL YOUR INFO.... (No Tollroads at All) by gizmonic · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is not just EZPass you have to worry about. You have to avoid the toll roads altogether. I was watching one of those crime shows on TLC/Discovery and they were able to prove the suspect had used a toll road because they had the snapshots of his car/license plate from the toll booth. The catcher is, he used the manual lanes and paid the toll in cash. Those cameras don't just catch toll cheats, they "catch" everyone. I don't recall the state, but if one is doing it, then you have to assume they all are (if you're paranoid like me).

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    WWJD?
    JWRTFM!
  78. SueGrabitAndRun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is why Europeans have a toothless data privacy act, bar the fact that the airlines are profiting from illegal data interchange, and sending eurodata to American (private) concerns.

    If someone can prove a European connexion (say having you D/L scanned, and data stolen, say by a Hotel chain, AND you were not informed said information would be retained, maybe they can run a large class action. Clubs sending junkmail after a 'door check' is an outrage.

    Close on the heels, are abortion clinics, with unsecured wireless links, and grabbing mobile polling data of the clients who wander in, bingo, match cell# with person, ring up and inform parents, because she had her D/L 'scanned' for something unrelated.

    Hmmm, a D/L should be used as a licence, not a defacto ID card - a simple concept.

  79. Still Unamerican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But we're not discussing whether everyone has equal intelligence, parental fortune, whatever. We're discussing whether everyone has equal rights; in this case, equal rights to privacy. It really isn't clear from your post - are you saying everyone has (or should have) equal rights (eg to privacy) or not?

    1. Re:Still Unamerican by Plugh · · Score: 1
      I confess I'm not convinced one way or another about whether "privacy" is indeed a fundamental right, and where its limits (as for any right: think "yelling Fire in a theater") ought to be drawn.

      The phrase "reasonable expectation of privacy" seems like a useful tool. It at least gives us a test to start drawing lines. For most of the technically-aware, we know that any transaction by credit card is not reasonably private, for example.

    2. Re:Still Unamerican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you would agree that if privacy is a fundamental right, then everyone has it equally? Which is what this whole sub-thread was about, moving to NH and not paying taxes notwithstanding.

      Myself, I'm wary of "reasonable expectation of privacy", since then ones privacy is easily undermined by parties (governments, employers et al) simply explicitly telling you "you don't got none". The definition of privacy itself that I like is "the ability to implicitly or explicitly negotiate the boundaries of (social) transactions".

  80. Is the moderator on acid... by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

    ...or is he/she just a deluded Michael Jackson fan? Flamebait? Come on it's a damn joke, grab a sense of humour.

    Seriously though, I think the information is "valued" based upon accessibility. It is very easy to get names, addresses and listed phone numbers, and not much more work to get government registry information (such as what kind of car you drive, hunting and fishing permits and as you state gun possession permits). That stuff's by and large a matter of public record.

    Sex offender history is tougher to get. Good ol' Texas might post a list of offenders on the internet, but in other jusristictions it can take a bit of time and money to get such information. And even in Texas, records may be sealed to protect the innocent. There is also more of a demand for that information than for info on who owns a gun. It's not that people want to market that info--it's required for background checks should someone apply to be a daycare worker, schoolteacher and so on.

    Really, so what if someone owns a gun anyways--I care about as much as if he owns a Chevrolet. What a person owns and what he does with it in the bounds of the law is his own business. If, however, it is a CRIME to carry a concealed weapon in his juristiction, or a criminal background check reveals possession of a stolen weapon, domestic violence, or other crimes of that nature...well then it would be quite a concern to me.

  81. P.S. off topic by rark · · Score: 1

    > Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside
    > down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will
    > hover in quantum indecision

    No, the strength of the "cat lands on feet" force is much greater than the strength of the "jelly side down" force. So jelly toast strapped to a cat will always land cat side down (assuming a drop of sufficient length, as cats do not land feet side down if dropped upside down from a height insufficient for turning around). At least, that's what my extensive (and messy) experimentation shows. However, I have been unable to ascertain the effects of lashing two cats together back to back.

    (obdisclaimer: no animals were hurt in the making of this post. I do not really think that anyone should lash two cats together back to back -- or lash jelly toast to a cat, for that matter)

  82. Photoshop settings for best results? by oldsyd · · Score: 1

    I tried the barcode app, and I cannot get it to work.

    I am scanning on an AGFA duoscan in RGB and then saving the
    file as GIF and JPG. To scan, I am importing it into Photoshop 7.
    Tried greyscale, sharpening, contrast, discarding color info, etc.

    I have cleaned the ID with Windex, cropped it so only the barcode is there, it is rightside up.

    The files range in size from 1.5Mb to 2Mb, it is an Iowa drivers license and I am doing this at a printing facility, so I know if it is possible, I have the resources here to do it.

    I wouldn't post this if I didn't just waste 3 hours trying to get it to work. This isn't a RTFM post, I am a UNIX/Mac admin working at a print facility. Being Java, I'd think it would run on OS X or WIndows the same, right?

    I'm beginning to think it was printed bad, I do notice the dots have curved edges. I'll even send a partial sample to someone if they want proof!

  83. Re:If nobody ever bothers to RTFA... by lilmunkysguy · · Score: 1

    I had to lookup RTFA. "RTFA --- "read the fucking article"; applies mostly to Slashdot threads, for users who make comments on a story without having read it first." Funny shit.

  84. the online app by robknc · · Score: 1

    I have tried scanning several licenses from NC and can't get anything to work with this site.. Multiple image formats, contrast levels, etc.. I even tried some commercial software that reads 2d codes rather than their slooow java app.. I found out that NC encodes binary data (your photo) along with the rest of the normal data.. Anyway, I got to looking at their site and if you go to the online page and save the page, then modify it so it's pointing to decode2.jsp rather than decode.jsp, the online app works.. ie: FORM METHOD=POST ENCTYPE="multipart/form-data" ACTION="http://66.93.183.118:7777/swipe/decode2.js p" Unfortunately even the online version still doesn't recognize NC id's..

  85. Problem with the issue. by gillbates · · Score: 1

    The problem is not a lack of privacy, but lack of personal dignity. In the late 90's, the FBI paid a sniper to shoot the wife and infant son of a man suspected of trying to sell a sawed off shotgun (Ruby Ridge). His alleged crime was attempting to sell one of his old shotguns in which the barrel was a mere two inches too short. He had been arraigned and given a court date. Then the FBI changed the court date without informing him, and when he failed to show up in court, they raided his place.

    They didn't need his biometric information. It had been speculated that he was a white separatist - in other words, someone who had a different view of race relations than the politically correct multi-culti. His solution to the problem of racial tension was to merely move away from it.

    And for this, his wife was killed - because, of course, the FBI thought that she was the ringleader in an illegal weapons trade. Never mind any notion of justice, fair trials, or whatnot.

    Privacy is just a red herring folks. Stories like Ruby Ridge happen all the time, but the media attaches to a "privacy rights" story to keep things like this out of the public consciousness.

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