Hmm.. I've gotten good service from them so far, though I have only ordered from them four or five times. (I'm blessed with a B&M geek haven a half block away!). I even ended up sending back one book because their abstract was woefully incorrect. They happily credited my card, altered the abstract to correct the mistakes, and it only took a single ten minute call. The level of service I recieved from Amazon usually consisted of 'phone-tag' and 'I'll have to talk to xxx'. BN treated me about as well as Amazon when I returned a damaged copy of 'Perl Cookbook' to them.
Please, if you have continuing trouble with Fatbrain, let me know. (Yes, that is a real un-spam protected email address) I tend to purchase books in $300 increments online, and when I need them I need them. I'd hate to either got caught by a unreliable company or support the bad habits of such a company.
The reason it hasn't lost momentum is that is so terribly easy to boycott Amazon. Jeffy doesn't realize that there is no time or money cost associated with using another e-tailer, unlike with B&M. No driving, no searching through the shelves, no prison-shower-rape for the hard to find stuff.
Hit Fatbrain or Barnes & Noble. The prices are usually dead on even, the level of service is the same (BN) or slightly better (Fatbrain). Plus, the others don't try to shove a Barney DVD down your throat after you've just read the abstract for 'Advances in the Dempster-Shafer Theory of Evidence' Just forget that Amazon ever existed, and I don't think you'll miss them.
Offtopic: Anyone here ever used neural nets to differentiate data sets/photos? It's looking to be a new pet project of mine, and I'd be most appreciative of any guiding words..
Sure, the dozen PIII's will match the Big Iron in MIPS/FLOPS, but it would take a hundred times as many to match the sheer I/O bandwidth of those monsters. An old, low-end IBM 9x2 will handle 4,000 GB of I/O per second and love it. A high end PC will perhaps handle two, and totally thrash. Assume I'm wrong, and a PC could push 10 GB. You'd still need 400 computational nodes + 40 managerial nodes + 2 controller nodes == 442 PC's to match the performance of ONE old mainframe.
Used 9x2, $20,000. 442 PIII@$1800, $795,600. Which is cost effective?
When you're doing simple processing of huge data sets, like bank account updates or IRS 10-40 return valitation, it isn't adding up numbers that bogs. It's the contunual process of [retreive x][save x][print x]. Beowulf clusters have their place, and not as replacements for mainframes.
They are very cool.. I remember snagging a Slackware bootdisk from them so I could install 1.2.xx on another vendors Initio controller. Sent them an email about the difficulties I had getting the ball rolling (the boot disk intermittantly hung), with repeated mention that it wasn't their card. They responded quickly, nicely, and to the effect that it would indeed be fixed quickly. They then sent a 'problem has been fixed' email a couple of days later.
This just strikes me as wrong.. Ebay, the 90's born purveyor of chipped Farber and Beanie Babies, is attempting to purchase Sotheby's, a company with letters of incorporation older than most American countries??? That would be like Sam Adams trying to buy out the Guinness name, or Bezos buying up BArnes and Noble,, This 'dot-com' game of market cap and break-even earnings has got to be nipped in the bud before too many of the 'respected' brands are bought on inflated stock and dragged through the mud by the same trash exec's that thought ad banners would be a viable income source.
I read something on these eight or nine months back in some pop-sci mag. Don't kill me if I am off a little..
They're not like transistors, really. They're switches alright, but they operate a little like core memory in that the held charge in those 'magnetic holes' is enough to raise the energy of the potential circuit to a point where it will make it through the gate if charged, and stop dead if not. How and if they're refreshing the memory I don't know..
God I hope they're not close, and that I'm wrong that it will see use as a weapon. But they will inevitably be the first to have it at their disposal. Besides, I was joking at that point anyway..
Aircraft: Military scouting/surveillance Nitroglycerine: Military munitions. Computers: Military codebreaking, artillery trajectory computation. Penicillin: Treating war wounds Space-capable rockets: Ballistic missiles. Submarine: Military spy vehicle, war machine
I think the Troll King has a valid point. Any new technology is optioned for and funded by the military first, regardless of the infinite number of peaceful uses. I'd expect one of the 'black budget' projects to actually get something akin to nanites working.
Project A1017, codename Alephnul. Covert infiltration, surveillance, and elimination of Known Foreign Hostiles through use of self-replicating micro-miniature nanostructures.
I wan't trying to use nostalgia.. I was simply stating for the record that my grandfather's generation could do whatever they liked without the increasingly paranoid government stepping in.
most of our freedoms are only as old as the ACLU's choice to defend them
Have you ever considered that the ACLU's interest in has only happened because of escalating threat? They do have the habit of polarizing on one issue or another, but they have constantly been in court over this one since their inception.
protistants would be happy to pass a law saing that all the catholics had to spend sunday in the town jail
I'm sure many Protestants would still be happy with a law like that! Thankfully, the religion issue is less extreme than it has been. We've learned that intolerance is a bad thing. It's about time too! The Bible has said exactly that for how long?
automatic wepons is a minor foot note to the kind of lose of liberty going on in places like the UK
Every time I read about a new British method of stripping away at humanity, I feel sick. Cameras, 'speed-limit' devices, guns.. I'd go nucking futs given time.. I hope most of them agree, and do something about before the Isles become the first practical realization of '1984'. The last British Revolt turned out okay.
people living on Mars in 300 years will be talking about how repressive the U.S. has become
Odd. I own a total of four MediaGX based systems and am happy with them. Two are POS/IS boards normally seen in x86 cash register setups, and while their performance (at 166) isn't stellar, I can't beat them in terms of size or price. One is a NEC-made subnotebook, clocked all the way up, and bought for a song. The last is a Cyrix-made baby-AT. All run Linux well. One of the POS boards has a 73 day uptime, and only that short because I updated the kernel. They aren't designed to run games, nor crunch spreadsheets. Cyrix was trying to play a 1998 Transmeta: Medium duty, low power consumption mobile computers. And they do that well.
On a side note, your GX boxen wouldn't happen to be US Design Concept's GX Lite's, would they?? Updating the BIOS helps, but they just plain suck.
Return Elian Gonzales to Cuba, now! Communism is a good government, and Cuba is better than the United States of America. You are intimidated by my German accent. Now return Elian Gonzales or Communist Cuba and Leader Castro will nuke you.
Dude, you write German like an American high school kid hooked on Babelfish. Verbs, man! Watch the verbs! And since when is it polite to lump us in with those inferior Canadians by calling us 'Americans'??
On a side note, I agree that most of the US needs a quick Jimmy Knock, and especially Congress.
I keep what I loosly term a knowledge base; Every bit of useful tech data I run across, or have reason to believe I will need again, gets stuffed into a designated folder on my HD and later archived. I have stuff going back to Phrack 4, WordStar copies of C128 documentation, programs I wrote fifteen years ago for a hardware platform that no longer exists, System 3000 performance data, etc. While at the time I put each of them in I had access to the machinery and software to read and run them, much of it is dead now. Now I take the extra step to make sure anything new will be readable in the future. If it requires a viewer, an emulator, etc, they are saved with it. When the day comes that ia32 everything runs on and the CD the data is held on are depreciated and forgotten, they will be replaced by DVD-ROM and an ia32 emulator before obselescence becomes such an unsurmountable hurdle.
We must activly, and over the course of time, make sure what we do is available for posterity. Next time you burn MP3's to a CD-R, burn a copy of the mpg123 source too. Thirty years down the road, the information will be usable to anyone with the ability to read C and a DVD-ROM, even if MP3 is a forgotten format. When CDROM becomes hard to find, copy it to new media. I started on a Atari, and have manage to propogate that data through audio tape, floppy disc, magnetic tape and CD-R with little effort. Preservation shouldn't be an afterthought. Just do it!
Because I cheat at Quake. Aim-bots only, and only in LAN games designated 'cheat zones', but I still cheat.
Karma is meaningless as to an individuals quality. Why does everyone forget that! This isn't some War of Karma, where the Sig11-bloc rolls over the trolls in a stunning blitzkreig. 'Heya baby, I have 332 Karma. Wanna go back to my place for some witty conversation and grits pouring?' isn't going to get me any farther in the bar scene than 'Hi, I'm Jim, and I'm a Libra. Whats your sign?'.
This is fucking Slashdot, and while some of us may very well live here, it isn't real life. Get over it.
Without some reasonable restrictions on wepons (i.e. no tanks or bombs) then the general population starts to question their sanity.
I have in front of me a copy of the Sears and Roebuck Circular Catalog, Christmas Season, 1911. I retrieved it from the sealed and partially collapsed coal-room of the Deeley/Chambers Hotel in Ortonville, Mi. About a third through, I see an entry for a British Vickers Machine Gun, and 'The Amazing Russian Sokelov', which appears to be a water-jacketed carbine. Two pages later there is a pen and ink drawing of a man in a 'Buck Rogers' helmet demonstrating the accuracy of the 'Enfield Repeater Rifle', a modern looking semi-auto. There are numerous.30 Colt rifles, an odd looking ten-chambered revolver for the ladies, and a page devoted to what must have been the precursor to the fragmentation grenade. On a side note, do you know how much a box of 'Nobels Famous Improved Dyna-Mite' was? Two bucks whould have gotten you change.
Perhaps we need a sane society! If the people back then, before we threw the concept of personal responsibility out, could handle the temptation of buying the new full-auto machine pistol to use on the neighbors why can't we?? IS society at large so insane we need to protect ourselves from it by giving up guns? Naw. Just let the crazies know that we're strapped, and any fucking around will remove them from the gene pool quicker than a Big Mac disappearing into President Tubby's mouth. The nutcases will always have weapons, because obvoisly we can't trust them with following the law. Let the side of good at least be better armed when the shit hits the fan! Our recent forefathers did it, why can't we?
Not a gun nut, not a member of the NRA, not a Libertarian, etc.. Just sane..
I use Windows because a multi-head display is a "killer-app" for me. I've been waiting a year for XFree86 4.0.
Snag yesterday's snapshot. I've been using XF86 snaps since 3.9.15, and this one resolves each and every issue I had with dual-head in the earlier releases. I'm currently running dual Matrox G200SD/16M, but I have used heterogeneous card setups like the S3 ViRGE PCI/AGP anything combo so common under Win98/NT.
Oh, yeah.. Snag the source if you have enough bandwidth.. You'll only have to 'patch'n'go' when 4.0 rolls out in a month or two.
Not a joke.. Cyrix did the same thing with the engineering samples of their 'fanless' MediaGX (Which ended up needing the fan anyway for production clock speeds).
They're photos of the early samples, for which there is always the question 'How fast can we clock it with x amount of cooling?'.
has binaries for FreeBSD-2.2.x and 3.x NetBSD-1.3 Linux on Alpha/Intel, glibc only. Solaris
They're.tgz packages. tar -zxf 'em from root. If you have a copy of Slackware pkgtool floating around you can use that. Otherwise, there are a number of small utils that will convert them to.rpm for you.
If there isn't one for you (eg, you still have a libc system) download the source. It's a usually a simple make World && make install && make install.man. Be warned, on a K6-2 500 the process took a few hours. Oh yeah.. The funny looking INSTALL.TXT file is actually nroff formatted. 'nroff INSTALL.TXT | less' works.
Yes, there are usually binary-only RPMs available for the major supported platforms (Solaris, *BSD-x86, Linux-x86/alpha, etc) within a week or so.. I'd be terribly surprised if it took much longer than that
They have yet to finish the module loader for Sparc, which is pretty much a death sentance for you chances of compiling/running it. Stick to 3.3.x for now..
I'm sorry, but you must have gotten the bad crack from your dealer this morning. Enlightenment, FVWM, Blackbox, etc are Window Managers. They run on top of an X Server, namely XFree86. The X Server is what actually deals with the hardware. All a window manager does is draw pretty little borders around your windows and allow you to move and resize them. Additionally, neither is in itself a GUI.
For more information, try 'man XFree86' and 'man fvwm', as well as reading the XFree86 howto usually located in/usr/doc/howto.
Yes, that was a gleeful RTFM, but not a cruel one I hope
I've been using 3.9.17 for a while, and its at least as stable as 3.3.2 was (for me;.). Except for the occasional queer behavior from Xinerama, which 99% of end-users aren't going to touch anyway, I'd give it a thumbs up to make it into the RH 6.2 distro.
No, they're not 'fundies'. They're politicians.I do not know if you have checked, but politicians are professional liars. Their beliefs change twice daily with the arrival of the latest opinion polls. I'm guessing Billy Boy and algore were at an 'American Christian Family Association' fundraiser that day.
more worried about goverment imposing [on] their right to do things like pray in public
Perhaps I'm out of the loop on this one, but when has this been challenged recently? I cannot recall reading/hearing/seing anything of the sort. Got some more information?
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Hmm.. I've gotten good service from them so far, though I have only ordered from them four or five times. (I'm blessed with a B&M geek haven a half block away!). I even ended up sending back one book because their abstract was woefully incorrect. They happily credited my card, altered the abstract to correct the mistakes, and it only took a single ten minute call. The level of service I recieved from Amazon usually consisted of 'phone-tag' and 'I'll have to talk to xxx'. BN treated me about as well as Amazon when I returned a damaged copy of 'Perl Cookbook' to them.
Please, if you have continuing trouble with Fatbrain, let me know. (Yes, that is a real un-spam protected email address) I tend to purchase books in $300 increments online, and when I need them I need them. I'd hate to either got caught by a unreliable company or support the bad habits of such a company.
The reason it hasn't lost momentum is that is so terribly easy to boycott Amazon. Jeffy doesn't realize that there is no time or money cost associated with using another e-tailer, unlike with B&M. No driving, no searching through the shelves, no prison-shower-rape for the hard to find stuff.
Hit Fatbrain or Barnes & Noble. The prices are usually dead on even, the level of service is the same (BN) or slightly better (Fatbrain). Plus, the others don't try to shove a Barney DVD down your throat after you've just read the abstract for 'Advances in the Dempster-Shafer Theory of Evidence' Just forget that Amazon ever existed, and I don't think you'll miss them.
Offtopic: Anyone here ever used neural nets to differentiate data sets/photos? It's looking to be a new pet project of mine, and I'd be most appreciative of any guiding words..
Sure, the dozen PIII's will match the Big Iron in MIPS/FLOPS, but it would take a hundred times as many to match the sheer I/O bandwidth of those monsters. An old, low-end IBM 9x2 will handle 4,000 GB of I/O per second and love it. A high end PC will perhaps handle two, and totally thrash. Assume I'm wrong, and a PC could push 10 GB. You'd still need 400 computational nodes + 40 managerial nodes + 2 controller nodes == 442 PC's to match the performance of ONE old mainframe.
Used 9x2, $20,000.
442 PIII@$1800, $795,600. Which is cost effective?
When you're doing simple processing of huge data sets, like bank account updates or IRS 10-40 return valitation, it isn't adding up numbers that bogs. It's the contunual process of [retreive x][save x][print x]. Beowulf clusters have their place, and not as replacements for mainframes.
They are very cool.. I remember snagging a Slackware bootdisk from them so I could install 1.2.xx on another vendors Initio controller. Sent them an email about the difficulties I had getting the ball rolling (the boot disk intermittantly hung), with repeated mention that it wasn't their card. They responded quickly, nicely, and to the effect that it would indeed be fixed quickly. They then sent a 'problem has been fixed' email a couple of days later.
I now own two of their controllers.
This just strikes me as wrong.. Ebay, the 90's born purveyor of chipped Farber and Beanie Babies, is attempting to purchase Sotheby's, a company with letters of incorporation older than most American countries??? That would be like Sam Adams trying to buy out the Guinness name, or Bezos buying up BArnes and Noble,, This 'dot-com' game of market cap and break-even earnings has got to be nipped in the bud before too many of the 'respected' brands are bought on inflated stock and dragged through the mud by the same trash exec's that thought ad banners would be a viable income source.
I read something on these eight or nine months back in some pop-sci mag. Don't kill me if I am off a little..
They're not like transistors, really. They're switches alright, but they operate a little like core memory in that the held charge in those 'magnetic holes' is enough to raise the energy of the potential circuit to a point where it will make it through the gate if charged, and stop dead if not. How and if they're refreshing the memory I don't know..
God I hope they're not close, and that I'm wrong that it will see use as a weapon. But they will inevitably be the first to have it at their disposal. Besides, I was joking at that point anyway..
The good trolls only come out at night! I wish I was moderating because every post to this thread would get a +1. Keep up the good work, ninja!
First saleable use of technology:
Aircraft: Military scouting/surveillance
Nitroglycerine: Military munitions.
Computers: Military codebreaking, artillery trajectory computation.
Penicillin: Treating war wounds
Space-capable rockets: Ballistic missiles.
Submarine: Military spy vehicle, war machine
I think the Troll King has a valid point. Any new technology is optioned for and funded by the military first, regardless of the infinite number of peaceful uses. I'd expect one of the 'black budget' projects to actually get something akin to nanites working.
Project A1017, codename Alephnul. Covert infiltration, surveillance, and elimination of Known Foreign Hostiles through use of self-replicating micro-miniature nanostructures.
Ahh, the illusion of the wonderful past!
I wan't trying to use nostalgia.. I was simply stating for the record that my grandfather's generation could do whatever they liked without the increasingly paranoid government stepping in.
most of our freedoms are only as old as the ACLU's choice to defend them
Have you ever considered that the ACLU's interest in has only happened because of escalating threat? They do have the habit of polarizing on one issue or another, but they have constantly been in court over this one since their inception.
protistants would be happy to pass a law saing that all the catholics had to spend sunday in the town jail
I'm sure many Protestants would still be happy with a law like that! Thankfully, the religion issue is less extreme than it has been. We've learned that intolerance is a bad thing. It's about time too! The Bible has said exactly that for how long?
automatic wepons is a minor foot note to the kind of lose of liberty going on in places like the UK
Every time I read about a new British method of stripping away at humanity, I feel sick. Cameras, 'speed-limit' devices, guns.. I'd go nucking futs given time.. I hope most of them agree, and do something about before the Isles become the first practical realization of '1984'. The last British Revolt turned out okay.
people living on Mars in 300 years will be talking about how repressive the U.S. has become
I honestly hope so. Complacency is not a virtue.
Odd. I own a total of four MediaGX based systems and am happy with them. Two are POS/IS boards normally seen in x86 cash register setups, and while their performance (at 166) isn't stellar, I can't beat them in terms of size or price. One is a NEC-made subnotebook, clocked all the way up, and bought for a song. The last is a Cyrix-made baby-AT. All run Linux well. One of the POS boards has a 73 day uptime, and only that short because I updated the kernel. They aren't designed to run games, nor crunch spreadsheets. Cyrix was trying to play a 1998 Transmeta: Medium duty, low power consumption mobile computers. And they do that well.
On a side note, your GX boxen wouldn't happen to be US Design Concept's GX Lite's, would they?? Updating the BIOS helps, but they just plain suck.
Return Elian Gonzales to Cuba, now! Communism is a good government, and Cuba is better than the United States of America. You are intimidated by my German accent. Now return Elian Gonzales or Communist Cuba and Leader Castro will nuke you.
Dude, you write German like an American high school kid hooked on Babelfish. Verbs, man! Watch the verbs! And since when is it polite to lump us in with those inferior Canadians by calling us 'Americans'??
On a side note, I agree that most of the US needs a quick Jimmy Knock, and especially Congress.
I keep what I loosly term a knowledge base; Every bit of useful tech data I run across, or have reason to believe I will need again, gets stuffed into a designated folder on my HD and later archived. I have stuff going back to Phrack 4, WordStar copies of C128 documentation, programs I wrote fifteen years ago for a hardware platform that no longer exists, System 3000 performance data, etc. While at the time I put each of them in I had access to the machinery and software to read and run them, much of it is dead now. Now I take the extra step to make sure anything new will be readable in the future. If it requires a viewer, an emulator, etc, they are saved with it. When the day comes that ia32 everything runs on and the CD the data is held on are depreciated and forgotten, they will be replaced by DVD-ROM and an ia32 emulator before obselescence becomes such an unsurmountable hurdle.
We must activly, and over the course of time, make sure what we do is available for posterity. Next time you burn MP3's to a CD-R, burn a copy of the mpg123 source too. Thirty years down the road, the information will be usable to anyone with the ability to read C and a DVD-ROM, even if MP3 is a forgotten format. When CDROM becomes hard to find, copy it to new media. I started on a Atari, and have manage to propogate that data through audio tape, floppy disc, magnetic tape and CD-R with little effort. Preservation shouldn't be an afterthought. Just do it!
Because I cheat at Quake. Aim-bots only, and only in LAN games designated 'cheat zones', but I still cheat.
Karma is meaningless as to an individuals quality. Why does everyone forget that! This isn't some War of Karma, where the Sig11-bloc rolls over the trolls in a stunning blitzkreig. 'Heya baby, I have 332 Karma. Wanna go back to my place for some witty conversation and grits pouring?' isn't going to get me any farther in the bar scene than 'Hi, I'm Jim, and I'm a Libra. Whats your sign?'.
This is fucking Slashdot, and while some of us may very well live here, it isn't real life. Get over it.
Without some reasonable restrictions on wepons (i.e. no tanks or bombs) then the general population starts to question their sanity.
.30 Colt rifles, an odd looking ten-chambered revolver for the ladies, and a page devoted to what must have been the precursor to the fragmentation grenade. On a side note, do you know how much a box of 'Nobels Famous Improved Dyna-Mite' was? Two bucks whould have gotten you change.
I have in front of me a copy of the Sears and Roebuck Circular Catalog, Christmas Season, 1911. I retrieved it from the sealed and partially collapsed coal-room of the Deeley/Chambers Hotel in Ortonville, Mi. About a third through, I see an entry for a British Vickers Machine Gun, and 'The Amazing Russian Sokelov', which appears to be a water-jacketed carbine. Two pages later there is a pen and ink drawing of a man in a 'Buck Rogers' helmet demonstrating the accuracy of the 'Enfield Repeater Rifle', a modern looking semi-auto. There are numerous
Perhaps we need a sane society! If the people back then, before we threw the concept of personal responsibility out, could handle the temptation of buying the new full-auto machine pistol to use on the neighbors why can't we?? IS society at large so insane we need to protect ourselves from it by giving up guns? Naw. Just let the crazies know that we're strapped, and any fucking around will remove them from the gene pool quicker than a Big Mac disappearing into President Tubby's mouth. The nutcases will always have weapons, because obvoisly we can't trust them with following the law. Let the side of good at least be better armed when the shit hits the fan! Our recent forefathers did it, why can't we?
Not a gun nut, not a member of the NRA, not a Libertarian, etc.. Just sane..
I use Windows because a multi-head display is a "killer-app" for me. I've been waiting a year for XFree86 4.0.
Snag yesterday's snapshot. I've been using XF86 snaps since 3.9.15, and this one resolves each and every issue I had with dual-head in the earlier releases. I'm currently running dual Matrox G200SD/16M, but I have used heterogeneous card setups like the S3 ViRGE PCI/AGP anything combo so common under Win98/NT.
Oh, yeah.. Snag the source if you have enough bandwidth.. You'll only have to 'patch'n'go' when 4.0 rolls out in a month or two.
collapsing police baton.
and she wasn't the one actually doing the kerrigan-whacking; it was her damn moron bodyguard, jeff galoolie [sp]
sorry, coffee in the keys doesn't do wonders for a keyboards functionality.. did you hear that, tech support! new keyboard, pronto..
Not a joke.. Cyrix did the same thing with the engineering samples of their 'fanless' MediaGX (Which ended up needing the fan anyway for production clock speeds).
They're photos of the early samples, for which there is always the question 'How fast can we clock it with x amount of cooling?'.
ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pu b/XFree86/snapshots/3.9.17/binaries/
.tgz packages. tar -zxf 'em from root. If you have a copy of Slackware pkgtool floating around you can use that. Otherwise, there are a number of small utils that will convert them to .rpm for you.
has binaries for
FreeBSD-2.2.x and 3.x
NetBSD-1.3
Linux on Alpha/Intel, glibc only.
Solaris
They're
If there isn't one for you (eg, you still have a libc system) download the source. It's a usually a simple make World && make install && make install.man. Be warned, on a K6-2 500 the process took a few hours. Oh yeah.. The funny looking INSTALL.TXT file is actually nroff formatted. 'nroff INSTALL.TXT | less' works.
Yes, there are usually binary-only RPMs available for the major supported platforms (Solaris, *BSD-x86, Linux-x86/alpha, etc) within a week or so.. I'd be terribly surprised if it took much longer than that
They have yet to finish the module loader for Sparc, which is pretty much a death sentance for you chances of compiling/running it. Stick to 3.3.x for now..
I'm sorry, but you must have gotten the bad crack from your dealer this morning. Enlightenment, FVWM, Blackbox, etc are Window Managers. They run on top of an X Server, namely XFree86. The X Server is what actually deals with the hardware. All a window manager does is draw pretty little borders around your windows and allow you to move and resize them. Additionally, neither is in itself a GUI.
/usr/doc/howto.
For more information, try 'man XFree86' and 'man fvwm', as well as reading the XFree86 howto usually located in
Yes, that was a gleeful RTFM, but not a cruel one I hope
I've been using 3.9.17 for a while, and its at least as stable as 3.3.2 was (for me ;.). Except for the occasional queer behavior from Xinerama, which 99% of end-users aren't going to touch anyway, I'd give it a thumbs up to make it into the RH 6.2 distro.
Gee, I could swear I submitted this late yesterday when the file tree changed..
Anyway, the source can be had here, and you really should read the release notes here once they appear.
No real info is available on what exactly is new in 18: Any XFree developers here that can fill us in?
Al Gore and Bill Clinton are not fundies.
Laughs hysterically.
No, they're not 'fundies'. They're politicians.I do not know if you have checked, but politicians are professional liars. Their beliefs change twice daily with the arrival of the latest opinion polls. I'm guessing Billy Boy and algore were at an 'American Christian Family Association' fundraiser that day.
more worried about goverment imposing [on] their right to do things like pray in public
Perhaps I'm out of the loop on this one, but when has this been challenged recently? I cannot recall reading/hearing/seing anything of the sort. Got some more information?