Well, besides the fact that you get no backwards compatibility, have to get a memory card to save games, and even then don't get access to XBox Live downloadables. Not to mention the fact that if developers were assured that all 360s would have HDs, they would be able to rely on them for a number of things, not just caching. But yeah, I'm sure all of those are minor problems.
If only the Japanese were as bigoted and racist, they would have many cases of American mispronunciations of Japanese words, but then again we don't even try because it's beneath us.
The gap narrows considerably when using composite cables (480i) like 83% of the USA
That rate is shrinking rapidly, and most of the people who don't have HDTVs also are not in the market for new game consoles. In a couple of years most gamers will have HDTVs and use them with their PS3s and/or 360s. Nintendo simply isn't looking long-term, and that is a big mistake.
How many Wii owners would identify themselves as part of the "gaming population"? Moreover, how many Wii-owning gamers are still satisfied with the console now that the hysteria over it is starting to wear off? The sales of the Wii don't really say much about gamers' tastes, especially since they're a mere fraction of the sales of the PS2, or even of the XBox and GameCube.
As for your argument concerning the PS2's processing power, I would submit that the PS2 wasn't nearly as weak as the Wii is by comparison. Though the PS2 was clearly less capable graphically than the other two systems, this was accepted as a natural consequence of coming out a year earlier, and most people considered it to be a minor problem and an easy tradeoff in exchange for a better game lineup. The Wii has none of these excuses to fall back on.
So if the hardware is to be shunned due to the corporate policies of it's maker, the Wii is the only logical choice
Since you mentioned Me, which surely has no relevance today, I'm assuming that you're saying that any major mistake that a corporation has ever made would disqualify it. In that case, you wouldn't be getting a Wii either; Nintendo made decisions that were far dumber back when it was in the position of dominance than Sony has.
Also, some fanboys^W hardcore gamers may be resentful regarding the Dreamcast (destroyed by the PS2's bullshit-filled hype)
Yes, I'm sure that rampant piracy, poor marketing, and the lack of good games after launch had nothing to do with it.
What's sad is that in the likely event that the Wii becomes thought of as a joke like the Dreamcast in a couple of years, people like you will be blaming the PS3, 360, and stoopid sheeple gamers for it instead of placing the blame where it belongs.
Oh, and WD was ruined by other companies (like Atlus) doing the shit that WD used to do in a fraction of the time, and without putting retarded tweaks on their translations to boot.
An official announcement of FFXIII coming to the 360 would literally triple overnight the sales of the 360 in Japan
So two more people would go buy one?
Seriously, I don't see FF13 on the 360 having nearly the impact in Japan as some people would like to believe unless Square decided to go 360-exclusive, which it has no reason to do. And I don't think the added sales in the West would be enough to make up for whatever big bucks Sony is giving it. I think people are making way too much of the simple fact that FF13 isn't officially PS3-exclusive yet. It's almost like how Sony can't say that the PS3 is going to get a price drop by the end of the year, even though pretty much everyone knows that it's going to happen.
Yeah, that's been the plan all along, though I doubt they'll let you switch between the two when software emulation becomes better. Eventually the new US and Japanese PS3s won't have hardware emulation either.
But which of the three consoles supports the efforts of microstudios to make innovative multiplayer games available?
I believe all three companies have plans for that sort of thing. Microsoft is the only one that's fully underway as of yet to my knowledge, but the PS3 is also getting indie downloadable games, though I'm not sure how many of them feature MP support.
Ah, somehow I knew there would be oldschool fanboy revisionism somewhere in these comments. The only reason Sakaguchi took a hands-off approach to FF7 and FF8 is because he was working on The Spirits Within, a film which may as well have been called "FF7: The Movie." And both of those games still required his approval, not to mention the fact that both FF7 and FF9 were the fleshed-out results of stories written by Sakaguchi. Sakaguchi's involvement with the series most certainly did not end with FF6.
I know you, like many other fanboys, lash out at the later FFs because you don't like the idea that you might be massively overrating FF6 (i.e. the idea that you don't have good taste), but that doesn't give you an excuse to ignore reality.
Since global warming is so politicized and proof as to the extent of human responsibility for it is so tenuous, why don't environmentalists go after things that everyone can agree is bad for the planet and 100% caused by humans? Water pollution, deforestation, acid rain, smog, reliance on fossil fuels... the list goes on and on. And as an awesome bonus, fixing some of these problems would also reduce our greenhouse gas footprint, thus killing two birds with one stone.
Does anyone know why environmentalists keep beating the global warming horse when it's clear that people aren't going to listen?
You find the quote about it not being profitable that I was refering to
Well, that can't be... You said that he said that Net games weren't profitable at that time, while the quote I found said that Net games would never be profitable. Must be a different quote, I guess.
and also find a quote from a time when the Saturn and Playstation were struggling
What does that have to do with anything? He was still bashing the CD-ROM format, correct?
And in neither case did Nintendo actually bash the format, they were (in fact) explaining there choices in not going with the format...
So, uh, that would mean that Sony wasn't bashing rumble, right? They were just "explaining why they didn't go with it." Yeah, I sure don't see any belittling going on in any of those quotes.
Not that it matters, since the question was whether or not Nintendo's PR was contradictory with what they did later. It clearly was.
Please supply me with ONE quote where Nintendo bashes optical discs or online gaming?
"The Internet games available today are for hard-core gamers. I don't believe the general public is going to be very interested in them. And I doubt that Net games will turn out to be profitable." --Hiroshi Yamauchi, former president of Nintendo, E3 2001
"The cartridge has more space for other devices such as a programmable memory, enabling users to do more with their machines... A Nintendo 64 cartridge contains a memory device that has nearly the same capacity as a CD-ROM... We hear many convenience stores are disappointed at the inventory risks of carrying CD-ROM games and the slow sales... Not all game creators who can handle CD-ROM can write for Nintendo 64. The new technology requires new inspiration, imagination and talent." --Hiroshi Yamauchi, http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/97/0418/cs1.html
Well, there's more than one for you. As an added bonus, the second quote has a helping of BS in it, just like the kind that Sony's PR reps like to serve up.
You mean like how out of touch Nintendo's PR was when the company decided to implement optical discs and online gaming even after they repeatedly bashed both of them?
Face it, all companies make fun of the things that the competitors do that they themselves won't or can't do. Then the good companies take the parts of those things that they like and implement them, hopefully improving them in the process. We all know that the only reason that Sony took rumble off of the Sixaxis controllers was because of their legal problems with Immersion. Now that those have been settled, Sony can put it back in. But between those two points, it's not unusual that Sony would jibe rumble as an obsolete feature to save face.
While your post is a funny bit of sarcasm, you're kind of downplaying how ridiculous your state's situation was before DST. Indiana's time zones were screwed up long before your current governor did anything about them.
Surely all of the people who pointed out how Phil Harrison didn't mention new games yesterday are going to come here and point out that Miyamoto didn't either, right? Right?
Well, Final Fantasy 8's demo was awful and not very representative of the game at all. On the other end of the spectrum, ever heard of the EA-produced ARG Majestic? Its demo was like a normal episode of the game except condensed down into a three-day period, and about fifty times better as a result. There is surely a large number of other examples (most of them of demos that are better than their respective games, since a demo is basically a form of advertising), but I don't have many to give simply because I don't normally play demos in the first place.
To be fair, it is a relevant theory as to any ulterior motives that the blog in question might have for criticizing mainstream reviews. The writer even specifically points out Motorstorm, a much-hyped PS3 game that thus far has been getting "fun, but not classic" reviews. It is a bit hard not to believe that the article was written implicitly to defend Sony.
That said, the idea that the article was posted as part of some conspiracy by the Sony PR department is rather silly. It's one thing to say that a blogger who's paid by Sony is coming up with clever ways to defend the company, but quite another to put on a tinfoil hat and start raving about how Sony is directly responsible for everything that can possibly be spun into a form of PS3 apology.
But it's not the one that's presented. Thinking that reviews can be replaced by trailers is just silly. Trailers are nothing more than ads, and don't really tell you much about what's going on. Neither do demos; even if we assumed that every game has one, oftentimes a demo is much worse or much better than the game that it represents. As for blog opinions, those in themselves are basically reviews, though usually not very good ones unless you have a good idea of the taste of whoever's writing them.
What goes a long way towards making reviews pointless is GameFAQs. No, not the reviews on there; they often suck. I mean the FAQs themselves. A good FAQ will tell you most of what you want to know about the game in great detail in the first few sections, often without spoiling the plot in the process. The only problem is that FAQs require time to be written, time that simple reviews don't need.
Actually, it's exactly identical to the Xbox 360's backwards compatibility.
Well, besides the fact that after over a year, the XBox 360 is only compatible with about 300 (~30% of) XBox games, while the European PS3 should be able to play over 1000 (>40% of) PS2 games at launch. But yeah, besides that minor, meaningless detail, it's exactly the same as the XBox 360's BC.
You guys do realize that Sony will be constantly upgrading the software emulation, thus allowing for more games and perhaps even added features (better anti-aliasing and such), right? And that the hardware emulation will eventually be stripped out of new PS3s in all of the regions? The only thing that Sony's done here that was unexpected was removing part of the hardware emulation for the European models so early.
Either way, it's a hell of a lot better than the XBox 360's backwards compatibility, and I think many prospective buyers in Europe will realize that regardless of the anti-Sony hype.
The Wiimote would act as my own penis, actually. In fact, I could see Fleshlight making a video game where you attach one of their own products to the bottom of the controller, thus being the first product that uses the same hand for input and masturbation. You could also make a separate video game for women that does the same thing with a standard dildo.
Hey, where are you going? I haven't even gotten to my BDSM idea yet!
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No 360 is gimped by not having a HDD.
Well, besides the fact that you get no backwards compatibility, have to get a memory card to save games, and even then don't get access to XBox Live downloadables. Not to mention the fact that if developers were assured that all 360s would have HDs, they would be able to rely on them for a number of things, not just caching. But yeah, I'm sure all of those are minor problems.
Rob
If only the Japanese were as bigoted and racist, they would have many cases of American mispronunciations of Japanese words, but then again we don't even try because it's beneath us.
You're kidding, right?
Rob
The gap narrows considerably when using composite cables (480i) like 83% of the USA
That rate is shrinking rapidly, and most of the people who don't have HDTVs also are not in the market for new game consoles. In a couple of years most gamers will have HDTVs and use them with their PS3s and/or 360s. Nintendo simply isn't looking long-term, and that is a big mistake.
Rob
How many Wii owners would identify themselves as part of the "gaming population"? Moreover, how many Wii-owning gamers are still satisfied with the console now that the hysteria over it is starting to wear off? The sales of the Wii don't really say much about gamers' tastes, especially since they're a mere fraction of the sales of the PS2, or even of the XBox and GameCube.
As for your argument concerning the PS2's processing power, I would submit that the PS2 wasn't nearly as weak as the Wii is by comparison. Though the PS2 was clearly less capable graphically than the other two systems, this was accepted as a natural consequence of coming out a year earlier, and most people considered it to be a minor problem and an easy tradeoff in exchange for a better game lineup. The Wii has none of these excuses to fall back on.
Rob
So if the hardware is to be shunned due to the corporate policies of it's maker, the Wii is the only logical choice
Since you mentioned Me, which surely has no relevance today, I'm assuming that you're saying that any major mistake that a corporation has ever made would disqualify it. In that case, you wouldn't be getting a Wii either; Nintendo made decisions that were far dumber back when it was in the position of dominance than Sony has.
Rob
Also, some fanboys^W hardcore gamers may be resentful regarding the Dreamcast (destroyed by the PS2's bullshit-filled hype)
Yes, I'm sure that rampant piracy, poor marketing, and the lack of good games after launch had nothing to do with it.
What's sad is that in the likely event that the Wii becomes thought of as a joke like the Dreamcast in a couple of years, people like you will be blaming the PS3, 360, and stoopid sheeple gamers for it instead of placing the blame where it belongs.
Oh, and WD was ruined by other companies (like Atlus) doing the shit that WD used to do in a fraction of the time, and without putting retarded tweaks on their translations to boot.
Rob
An official announcement of FFXIII coming to the 360 would literally triple overnight the sales of the 360 in Japan
So two more people would go buy one?
Seriously, I don't see FF13 on the 360 having nearly the impact in Japan as some people would like to believe unless Square decided to go 360-exclusive, which it has no reason to do. And I don't think the added sales in the West would be enough to make up for whatever big bucks Sony is giving it. I think people are making way too much of the simple fact that FF13 isn't officially PS3-exclusive yet. It's almost like how Sony can't say that the PS3 is going to get a price drop by the end of the year, even though pretty much everyone knows that it's going to happen.
Rob
Yeah, that's been the plan all along, though I doubt they'll let you switch between the two when software emulation becomes better. Eventually the new US and Japanese PS3s won't have hardware emulation either.
Rob
But which of the three consoles supports the efforts of microstudios to make innovative multiplayer games available?
I believe all three companies have plans for that sort of thing. Microsoft is the only one that's fully underway as of yet to my knowledge, but the PS3 is also getting indie downloadable games, though I'm not sure how many of them feature MP support.
Rob
Ah, somehow I knew there would be oldschool fanboy revisionism somewhere in these comments. The only reason Sakaguchi took a hands-off approach to FF7 and FF8 is because he was working on The Spirits Within, a film which may as well have been called "FF7: The Movie." And both of those games still required his approval, not to mention the fact that both FF7 and FF9 were the fleshed-out results of stories written by Sakaguchi. Sakaguchi's involvement with the series most certainly did not end with FF6.
I know you, like many other fanboys, lash out at the later FFs because you don't like the idea that you might be massively overrating FF6 (i.e. the idea that you don't have good taste), but that doesn't give you an excuse to ignore reality.
Rob
He's probably only half-joking. I can't imagine that Sakaguchi harbors any good feelings towards Square after the way it treated him.
Rob
Since global warming is so politicized and proof as to the extent of human responsibility for it is so tenuous, why don't environmentalists go after things that everyone can agree is bad for the planet and 100% caused by humans? Water pollution, deforestation, acid rain, smog, reliance on fossil fuels... the list goes on and on. And as an awesome bonus, fixing some of these problems would also reduce our greenhouse gas footprint, thus killing two birds with one stone.
Does anyone know why environmentalists keep beating the global warming horse when it's clear that people aren't going to listen?
Rob
You find the quote about it not being profitable that I was refering to
Well, that can't be... You said that he said that Net games weren't profitable at that time, while the quote I found said that Net games would never be profitable. Must be a different quote, I guess.
and also find a quote from a time when the Saturn and Playstation were struggling
What does that have to do with anything? He was still bashing the CD-ROM format, correct?
And in neither case did Nintendo actually bash the format, they were (in fact) explaining there choices in not going with the format...
So, uh, that would mean that Sony wasn't bashing rumble, right? They were just "explaining why they didn't go with it." Yeah, I sure don't see any belittling going on in any of those quotes.
Not that it matters, since the question was whether or not Nintendo's PR was contradictory with what they did later. It clearly was.
Rob
Please supply me with ONE quote where Nintendo bashes optical discs or online gaming?
... A Nintendo 64 cartridge contains a memory device that has nearly the same capacity as a CD-ROM ... We hear many convenience stores are disappointed at the inventory risks of carrying CD-ROM games and the slow sales ... Not all game creators who can handle CD-ROM can write for Nintendo 64. The new technology requires new inspiration, imagination and talent."
"The Internet games available today are for hard-core gamers. I
don't believe the general public is going to be very interested in them. And I doubt that Net games will turn out to be profitable."
--Hiroshi Yamauchi, former president of Nintendo, E3 2001
"The cartridge has more space for other devices such as a programmable memory, enabling users to do more with their machines
--Hiroshi Yamauchi, http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/97/0418/cs1.html
Well, there's more than one for you. As an added bonus, the second quote has a helping of BS in it, just like the kind that Sony's PR reps like to serve up.
Rob
You mean like how out of touch Nintendo's PR was when the company decided to implement optical discs and online gaming even after they repeatedly bashed both of them?
Face it, all companies make fun of the things that the competitors do that they themselves won't or can't do. Then the good companies take the parts of those things that they like and implement them, hopefully improving them in the process. We all know that the only reason that Sony took rumble off of the Sixaxis controllers was because of their legal problems with Immersion. Now that those have been settled, Sony can put it back in. But between those two points, it's not unusual that Sony would jibe rumble as an obsolete feature to save face.
Rob
While your post is a funny bit of sarcasm, you're kind of downplaying how ridiculous your state's situation was before DST. Indiana's time zones were screwed up long before your current governor did anything about them.
Rob
Yes, I realized that. I was referring to the people commenting under that link which you obviously didn't look at.
Rob
No explosive new titles or plans were announced
Surely all of the people who pointed out how Phil Harrison didn't mention new games yesterday are going to come here and point out that Miyamoto didn't either, right? Right?
Rob
Good luck, IBM. I don't think even Blue Gene could beat that video game.
Rob
Well, Final Fantasy 8's demo was awful and not very representative of the game at all. On the other end of the spectrum, ever heard of the EA-produced ARG Majestic? Its demo was like a normal episode of the game except condensed down into a three-day period, and about fifty times better as a result. There is surely a large number of other examples (most of them of demos that are better than their respective games, since a demo is basically a form of advertising), but I don't have many to give simply because I don't normally play demos in the first place.
Rob
To be fair, it is a relevant theory as to any ulterior motives that the blog in question might have for criticizing mainstream reviews. The writer even specifically points out Motorstorm, a much-hyped PS3 game that thus far has been getting "fun, but not classic" reviews. It is a bit hard not to believe that the article was written implicitly to defend Sony.
That said, the idea that the article was posted as part of some conspiracy by the Sony PR department is rather silly. It's one thing to say that a blogger who's paid by Sony is coming up with clever ways to defend the company, but quite another to put on a tinfoil hat and start raving about how Sony is directly responsible for everything that can possibly be spun into a form of PS3 apology.
Rob
But it's not the one that's presented. Thinking that reviews can be replaced by trailers is just silly. Trailers are nothing more than ads, and don't really tell you much about what's going on. Neither do demos; even if we assumed that every game has one, oftentimes a demo is much worse or much better than the game that it represents. As for blog opinions, those in themselves are basically reviews, though usually not very good ones unless you have a good idea of the taste of whoever's writing them.
What goes a long way towards making reviews pointless is GameFAQs. No, not the reviews on there; they often suck. I mean the FAQs themselves. A good FAQ will tell you most of what you want to know about the game in great detail in the first few sections, often without spoiling the plot in the process. The only problem is that FAQs require time to be written, time that simple reviews don't need.
Rob
Actually, it's exactly identical to the Xbox 360's backwards compatibility.
Well, besides the fact that after over a year, the XBox 360 is only compatible with about 300 (~30% of) XBox games, while the European PS3 should be able to play over 1000 (>40% of) PS2 games at launch. But yeah, besides that minor, meaningless detail, it's exactly the same as the XBox 360's BC.
Rob
You guys do realize that Sony will be constantly upgrading the software emulation, thus allowing for more games and perhaps even added features (better anti-aliasing and such), right? And that the hardware emulation will eventually be stripped out of new PS3s in all of the regions? The only thing that Sony's done here that was unexpected was removing part of the hardware emulation for the European models so early.
Either way, it's a hell of a lot better than the XBox 360's backwards compatibility, and I think many prospective buyers in Europe will realize that regardless of the anti-Sony hype.
Rob
The Wiimote would act as my own penis, actually. In fact, I could see Fleshlight making a video game where you attach one of their own products to the bottom of the controller, thus being the first product that uses the same hand for input and masturbation. You could also make a separate video game for women that does the same thing with a standard dildo.
Hey, where are you going? I haven't even gotten to my BDSM idea yet!
Rob