He knows why it exists, he's just very disappointed in recent results, and he knows there are significant numbers of people out there who do not understand the EC and what it protects us from.
Personally, I prefer the current system due to the fact that a presidential candidate would not get within 200 miles of my town were the popular vote the deciding factor. You might have visits to the top 30 or 40 metro areas and that'd be that. Hardly inclusive, and hardly representative of the American cultural spectrum.
Lemme ask you, if you were in charge of verifying that Iraq is WMD-free, would you allow a slew of sarin and mustard gas weapons with questionable born-on-dates to be ignored and allowed to be undeclared? Gimme a break, man.
No, nothing to do w/ LBJ, it's just that that's where you could score some dope and maybe get laid. That's where you anti-Iraqi Freedom folks are going wrong, you've gotta make it cool to protest it - a place to go get stoned and laid - otherwise it'll just be the normal seethers and outcasts and whatnot. And that's no good, cuz, you know, that crowd usually has a pretty foul demeanor, and smells pretty rank, too.;)
so what were the motivations of your fine leaders when they supported hussein? when he dropped gas on his own people were you not supplying him (among countless other foul dictators) with weaponry?
Could have had something to do with the geopolitical climate of the time, don't you think, AC? Oh, wait, you were probably cheering for the Red side back then, weren't ya! Sorry the worker's paradise thing didn't quite pan out for you...
no weapons of mass destruction...whoops
no link with 911...ok so that was a lie
Jury is still out on WMD, but they sure seem to be finding a lot of undeclared pre-gulf war chemical munitions, aren't they! And nobody in the administration even feels the need to promote that. Oh, yeah, makes me wonder, too, about why all of those Russian scientists were running around Iraq before the war... And all of that truck traffic into Syria...
Nobody ever said Saddam was in on 9/11. Nobody. What they said was that Saddam's govt met and discussed operational ties. Stop re-writing history.
but hey this has nothing to do with oil and is all about human rights, forget that we've supported and continue to support regimes that trample over civil liberties.
And you want to take the civil liberties Afghani and Iraqi people have gained away from them, post haste, don't you? Yes, yes you do, because your rabid hatred of Bush and American interests in general trumps all those women who can now vote, go to school, and show their ankles in public without being stoned to death. Such a warm and fuzzy person you are.
never mind the fact that America is actively engaging in torture by shipping prisoners to places for that very purpose.
Well, with pansies like you around, what other choice do we have? I mean, we're trying to avert terrorist attacks, AC, and you want to play dominoes with 'em!
National defense is mandated but is spending billions on a program which is useless against terrorist mandated too?
Zarqawi was killed with a couple of aircraft-delivered bombs, a fate delivered to countless other islamo-fascist freaks since late 2001. The point here is to build a platform that can remain on station for a long time out of harm's way until a target is identified, then streak in and take it out. It'll be unmanned, so we can take out the bad guys without putting our guys at risk.
You are for reducing the risk to our men and women in the armed forces, aren't you? Sorry, have to ask nowadays...
I am all for defense. I do object to waging war for fun and profit though. Where is it mandated that the US taxpayers should get rid of every two bit dictator with oil while making nice with dictators in pakistan and africa?
Well, hurry up and win an election, then, and you'll be able to get straight to work in Afghanistan and Iraq stripping away women's rights to vote, re-introducing the burka, and throwing the girls out of school. Funny how you pricks are always bellyaching about human rights, but when the US moves to do something that will actually bring 25 million people into the 21st century, you moan like a downed cow. It serves to illuminate your motivations quite nicely.
And fun and profit? Please.
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Think through what exactly it is that you just called "sick and in need of treatment".
I did. You say it's patriotic to kill a fellow American based on their political affiliation. That's sick, and you're sick because of it. You're an evil, deluded person. I hope you get help before you hurt someone.
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1.) You obviously do not understand what a murder/death camp is. Ask a holocaust survivor if they think a terrorist detention facility where you get three hots and a cot, religious autonomy, and no work requirement fits their understanding of a death camp. This is DU moonbat FUD.
2.) If you think it unreasonable to monitor calls made to or from a suspected terrorist, you need to drop the pipe.
3.) You need to consult the UN security council resolutions of late 2002 and early 2003. The action was clearly legal from an international perspective, and the US Congress overwhelmingly authorized the action based on the same intel as the administration. No matter how many times you repeat the illegality theme, it does not make it true.
4.) You should ask all of the people who risk their lives to show up at a Baghdad or Kabul voting station if they were forced to do so, and if they are unhappy with being able to do so. Then go ask the members of parliament in both countries, who risk their lives every day in employment of democracy if they think they are totalitarian puppets. Hardly. You've got your worldview upside down, dude. It's the islamofascist terrorists who are the totalitarians. Just ask the women of Afghanistan...
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You should seek treatment, Darby, for you are a very sick person.
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1.) Show me a murder camp. 2.) You didn't seem to go bonkers when Echelon was revealed under a Donkey, which, if reports are correct, was a much more intrusive system. 3.) You want (maybe need) to believe they lied, the entirety of truth won't be known for some time, and is likely much more innocuous than you'd like. In the mean time, why don't you do your bleeding heart right and support the tens of millions of people who now have the right to determine their own destiny. And the women who can now vote, and in the case of Afghanistan, show their face and learn to read. You halfwit. Always the Chomsky following butthole bitching about human rights here, and human rights there. But as soon as somebody goes and does something that liberates 50 million people from totalitarianism, you bitch and moan and attack. It's pathetic.
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Be a patriot: Murder a Republican.
Enough said.
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Do you honestly think the Republicans would give it a rest if the election went the other way?
Considering that they're generally not the ones slashing get-out-the-vote van tires, shooting out the windows of rival campaign offices (also happened in Huntinton, WV, BTW), I'd guess that, yes, the GOP would likely be more civil. Crap, even Nixon declined to challenge the 1960 election even though his case would have been far more believeable than Gore's.
Take a stroll through DU to see just how crazed and freakish your side is. All that seething has to be tiring.
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six years is a long time to watch my country be destroyed, too.
Yeah, what with the reinstatement of the draft, six years of negative GDP growth, double-digit interest rates, crushing inflation, skyrocketing violent crime, the rapidly increasing scarcity of clean drinking water, and those pesky zombies rising from the grave... Oh, wait...
What alternative universe are you living in, dude? You want to see a country being destroyed, sashay on down to South Africa or Zimbabwe. I suppose you're the guy that bitches and rants about $2.85 per gallon gasoline while sipping on the $2.00 per liter bottle of Evian?
Knowing what we now know about how Eason Jordan's CNN played patty-cake w/ Saddam in the run-up to the war, you have the gonads to cite them about that issue??? Why don't you just cite a random Democratic Underground moonbat, they have the same amount of credibility.
Any sane person looking at pre-2003 Iraq would have assumed there were sequestered WMD stocks, as you point out above. This "Bush lied", "Bush manufactured" line of BS does not make any sense for Bush as he headed into an election year. If he knew there was not likely to be any WMD, to have set that down as one of the points of rationale for invasion would have been a political gamble with only downside, no upside. Hardly Rovian.
Anyway, it's interesting to me that we've got the same folks urging us to go slow in attempting to stop Iranian nuclearization who 20 years ago were spitting on Reagan's picture and demanding an immediate end to nuclear weapons.
The story remains the same: for the anti-Bush crowd it's not about the issues at hand, it's about loathing the US and all that it stands for at every given opportunity. And if that means allowing a madman in Tehran to get his hands on a nuke, so be it. If that means putting the burka back on millions of Afghani women, retracting their newfound right to vote, and returning them to a life of illiteracy, by all means, so be it.
No argument. If you are as rich as the Sultan of Brunei, you do indeed get top health care in the United States. Are you?
Not nearly as rich, but as a matter of fact, I get the same kind of care as the Sultan since the Mayo Clinic is within an hour's driving distance, and the Mayo Health System is my network provider...
But back on point, when people have the means they choose the best possible care providers, and those providers are not normally government operations. The fact that US providers regularly treat Canadians but not vice versa is an indictment of government sponsored health care.
Well, going by the results, even the British health care system seems to do at least as well as the US system, but at half the cost.
Lifestyle and eating habits vary widely btw Britain and the US, and undoubtedly contribute to the disparity. But another salient reason for the disparity is the fact that fully staffed, full service medical centers appear in far-flung, sparsely populated spots throughout the US due to the sheer size of the land mass. Brits don't have to deal with providing medical care to people living an entire day's drive from the nearest metro area. Thus, it costs more to provide services. You still have to pay the staff even if you don't have the volume... I think a better analysis would be to compare Britain with the New England section of the US. Might have a tad different outcome there...
Free healthcare: In Western European countries, health care is, on average, much better than in the US.
Yeah, that's why the Sultan of Brunei jets over to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota when something goes awry instead of heading off to Hamburg. And why my former boss, a French Canadian, brings his mother and father down to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center from Montreal (where medical treatment is "free") when they need treatment. Or maybe that's why when Brits with means have a medical issue, they make a beeline for the nearest private hospital instead of utilizing the pathetic government system, a system that has spawned an entire industry devoted to persuading the government bureaucrats to "authorize" drugs and treatments that US consumers take for granted.
If you like waiting around for six months to get an elective surgery performed, be my guest, but don't try to blow sunshine up our asses regarding your "free" health care, because even a moron in a hurry knows that, in the end, you get what you pay for.
You must be a very pleasant person to hang around with, what with all of the seething and hand-wringing. What ever happened to shiny happy people holding hands, dude? LOL!
If there ever was an example of where eminent domain should be employed, this is it. Every waste treatment facility and coal fired power plant in the US should be required to build bio-fuel reclamation facilities ASAP or face stiff penalties. This foreign oil dependency situation is out of control, and this bio-diesel generation technique seems to be the most promising solution.
I think you should wait for the virtualization products to get out of beta before you make that statement. Parallels is pretty darn impressive even in non-optimized, beta form...
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Personally, I prefer the current system due to the fact that a presidential candidate would not get within 200 miles of my town were the popular vote the deciding factor. You might have visits to the top 30 or 40 metro areas and that'd be that. Hardly inclusive, and hardly representative of the American cultural spectrum.
That's rock and roll all day long.
I think you're full of shit. I'd like to use both methods on you and see what's what.
Lemme ask you, if you were in charge of verifying that Iraq is WMD-free, would you allow a slew of sarin and mustard gas weapons with questionable born-on-dates to be ignored and allowed to be undeclared? Gimme a break, man.
No, nothing to do w/ LBJ, it's just that that's where you could score some dope and maybe get laid. That's where you anti-Iraqi Freedom folks are going wrong, you've gotta make it cool to protest it - a place to go get stoned and laid - otherwise it'll just be the normal seethers and outcasts and whatnot. And that's no good, cuz, you know, that crowd usually has a pretty foul demeanor, and smells pretty rank, too. ;)
Could have had something to do with the geopolitical climate of the time, don't you think, AC? Oh, wait, you were probably cheering for the Red side back then, weren't ya! Sorry the worker's paradise thing didn't quite pan out for you...
no weapons of mass destruction...whoops
no link with 911...ok so that was a lie
Jury is still out on WMD, but they sure seem to be finding a lot of undeclared pre-gulf war chemical munitions, aren't they! And nobody in the administration even feels the need to promote that. Oh, yeah, makes me wonder, too, about why all of those Russian scientists were running around Iraq before the war... And all of that truck traffic into Syria...
Nobody ever said Saddam was in on 9/11. Nobody. What they said was that Saddam's govt met and discussed operational ties. Stop re-writing history.
but hey this has nothing to do with oil and is all about human rights, forget that we've supported and continue to support regimes that trample over civil liberties.
And you want to take the civil liberties Afghani and Iraqi people have gained away from them, post haste, don't you? Yes, yes you do, because your rabid hatred of Bush and American interests in general trumps all those women who can now vote, go to school, and show their ankles in public without being stoned to death. Such a warm and fuzzy person you are.
never mind the fact that America is actively engaging in torture by shipping prisoners to places for that very purpose.
Well, with pansies like you around, what other choice do we have? I mean, we're trying to avert terrorist attacks, AC, and you want to play dominoes with 'em!
No, he doesn't, but looking stupid hasn't stopped him yet, and probably won't stop him in the future...
Don't start with the facts, codefoundry, that doesn't work with this crowd...
Zarqawi was killed with a couple of aircraft-delivered bombs, a fate delivered to countless other islamo-fascist freaks since late 2001. The point here is to build a platform that can remain on station for a long time out of harm's way until a target is identified, then streak in and take it out. It'll be unmanned, so we can take out the bad guys without putting our guys at risk.
You are for reducing the risk to our men and women in the armed forces, aren't you? Sorry, have to ask nowadays...
I am all for defense. I do object to waging war for fun and profit though. Where is it mandated that the US taxpayers should get rid of every two bit dictator with oil while making nice with dictators in pakistan and africa?
Well, hurry up and win an election, then, and you'll be able to get straight to work in Afghanistan and Iraq stripping away women's rights to vote, re-introducing the burka, and throwing the girls out of school. Funny how you pricks are always bellyaching about human rights, but when the US moves to do something that will actually bring 25 million people into the 21st century, you moan like a downed cow. It serves to illuminate your motivations quite nicely.
And fun and profit? Please.
I did. You say it's patriotic to kill a fellow American based on their political affiliation. That's sick, and you're sick because of it. You're an evil, deluded person. I hope you get help before you hurt someone.
2.) If you think it unreasonable to monitor calls made to or from a suspected terrorist, you need to drop the pipe.
3.) You need to consult the UN security council resolutions of late 2002 and early 2003. The action was clearly legal from an international perspective, and the US Congress overwhelmingly authorized the action based on the same intel as the administration. No matter how many times you repeat the illegality theme, it does not make it true.
4.) You should ask all of the people who risk their lives to show up at a Baghdad or Kabul voting station if they were forced to do so, and if they are unhappy with being able to do so. Then go ask the members of parliament in both countries, who risk their lives every day in employment of democracy if they think they are totalitarian puppets. Hardly. You've got your worldview upside down, dude. It's the islamofascist terrorists who are the totalitarians. Just ask the women of Afghanistan...
You should seek treatment, Darby, for you are a very sick person.
1.) Show me a murder camp. 2.) You didn't seem to go bonkers when Echelon was revealed under a Donkey, which, if reports are correct, was a much more intrusive system. 3.) You want (maybe need) to believe they lied, the entirety of truth won't be known for some time, and is likely much more innocuous than you'd like. In the mean time, why don't you do your bleeding heart right and support the tens of millions of people who now have the right to determine their own destiny. And the women who can now vote, and in the case of Afghanistan, show their face and learn to read. You halfwit. Always the Chomsky following butthole bitching about human rights here, and human rights there. But as soon as somebody goes and does something that liberates 50 million people from totalitarianism, you bitch and moan and attack. It's pathetic.
Enough said.
Considering that they're generally not the ones slashing get-out-the-vote van tires, shooting out the windows of rival campaign offices (also happened in Huntinton, WV, BTW), I'd guess that, yes, the GOP would likely be more civil. Crap, even Nixon declined to challenge the 1960 election even though his case would have been far more believeable than Gore's.
Take a stroll through DU to see just how crazed and freakish your side is. All that seething has to be tiring.
Yeah, what with the reinstatement of the draft, six years of negative GDP growth, double-digit interest rates, crushing inflation, skyrocketing violent crime, the rapidly increasing scarcity of clean drinking water, and those pesky zombies rising from the grave... Oh, wait...
What alternative universe are you living in, dude? You want to see a country being destroyed, sashay on down to South Africa or Zimbabwe. I suppose you're the guy that bitches and rants about $2.85 per gallon gasoline while sipping on the $2.00 per liter bottle of Evian?
You cite a report that summarizes "the first week" of inspection. That, fine Sir, is not the whole story.
Knowing what we now know about how Eason Jordan's CNN played patty-cake w/ Saddam in the run-up to the war, you have the gonads to cite them about that issue??? Why don't you just cite a random Democratic Underground moonbat, they have the same amount of credibility.
Any sane person looking at pre-2003 Iraq would have assumed there were sequestered WMD stocks, as you point out above. This "Bush lied", "Bush manufactured" line of BS does not make any sense for Bush as he headed into an election year. If he knew there was not likely to be any WMD, to have set that down as one of the points of rationale for invasion would have been a political gamble with only downside, no upside. Hardly Rovian. Anyway, it's interesting to me that we've got the same folks urging us to go slow in attempting to stop Iranian nuclearization who 20 years ago were spitting on Reagan's picture and demanding an immediate end to nuclear weapons. The story remains the same: for the anti-Bush crowd it's not about the issues at hand, it's about loathing the US and all that it stands for at every given opportunity. And if that means allowing a madman in Tehran to get his hands on a nuke, so be it. If that means putting the burka back on millions of Afghani women, retracting their newfound right to vote, and returning them to a life of illiteracy, by all means, so be it.
Not nearly as rich, but as a matter of fact, I get the same kind of care as the Sultan since the Mayo Clinic is within an hour's driving distance, and the Mayo Health System is my network provider...
But back on point, when people have the means they choose the best possible care providers, and those providers are not normally government operations. The fact that US providers regularly treat Canadians but not vice versa is an indictment of government sponsored health care.
Well, going by the results, even the British health care system seems to do at least as well as the US system, but at half the cost.
Lifestyle and eating habits vary widely btw Britain and the US, and undoubtedly contribute to the disparity. But another salient reason for the disparity is the fact that fully staffed, full service medical centers appear in far-flung, sparsely populated spots throughout the US due to the sheer size of the land mass. Brits don't have to deal with providing medical care to people living an entire day's drive from the nearest metro area. Thus, it costs more to provide services. You still have to pay the staff even if you don't have the volume... I think a better analysis would be to compare Britain with the New England section of the US. Might have a tad different outcome there...
Yeah, that's why the Sultan of Brunei jets over to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota when something goes awry instead of heading off to Hamburg. And why my former boss, a French Canadian, brings his mother and father down to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center from Montreal (where medical treatment is "free") when they need treatment. Or maybe that's why when Brits with means have a medical issue, they make a beeline for the nearest private hospital instead of utilizing the pathetic government system, a system that has spawned an entire industry devoted to persuading the government bureaucrats to "authorize" drugs and treatments that US consumers take for granted.
If you like waiting around for six months to get an elective surgery performed, be my guest, but don't try to blow sunshine up our asses regarding your "free" health care, because even a moron in a hurry knows that, in the end, you get what you pay for.
You must be a very pleasant person to hang around with, what with all of the seething and hand-wringing. What ever happened to shiny happy people holding hands, dude? LOL!
If there ever was an example of where eminent domain should be employed, this is it. Every waste treatment facility and coal fired power plant in the US should be required to build bio-fuel reclamation facilities ASAP or face stiff penalties. This foreign oil dependency situation is out of control, and this bio-diesel generation technique seems to be the most promising solution.
I think you should wait for the virtualization products to get out of beta before you make that statement. Parallels is pretty darn impressive even in non-optimized, beta form...
It's actually 1 in 59, but yeah, that's what I thought, too...