Workers do not have overtime, do not have a lot of other protections.
Workers in China have a right to overtime pay. It isn't always enforced, but it is certainly enforced in the export factories in Shenzhen. Chinese workers in non-SOE companies also have a right to strike. Chinese workplace health and safety regulations are not as strict as OSHA, but they are reasonable, and they are enforced in Shenzhen.
Some workers seem to essentially be prisoner to the company town
Bullcrap. Some factories have dormitories, but living in them is optional, and most workers do not live there. This isn't the 1990s.
shopping in company stores
More bullcrap. I have never seen a "company store" in Shenzhen. It is a bustling metropolis with plenty of options for shopping, and there are no restrictions on how or where people can spend their money.
Most Apple products are the most difficult to recycle. By design.
Who cares? The volume of Apple products in landfills is totally negligible. More disposable baby diapers go to landfills everyday than all the iPhones ever made.
You need to get some perspective. America consumes 20 million barrels of oil everyday. Don't you think we should focus on that, instead of worrying about what happens to a few iPhones? You remind me of my idiot neighbor who drives ten miles to the recycling center in her gas-guzzling SUV to drop of a dozen grocery bags that collectively weigh less than a gram, and thinks she is an "environmentalist".
Those $Bs of jobs will go poof as soon as the Qualcomm battle is over.
The Qualcomm battle will drag on for years and years. Most assembly is done with robots, and it doesn't matter much where those robots are parked. The days of cheap labor in China are ending. The Chinese leadership knows this, and they are trying to shift their economy more toward services and domestic consumption, and away from exporting labor intensive goods.
Right. A case about two idiots blackmailing a woman with nudes is the thing that would upset the founding fathers.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." -- H. L. Mencken
The mass surveillance over the US population conducted by the federal government over the last decade was a-ok...
You are implying that supporters of human rights are hypocrites. I don't think so. Those of us objecting to this violation of 5th are the same people that objected to the mass surveillance.
No, the parent is recommending shitcanning yet another tool that does nothing but feed ruthless narcissism for the sake of attention whoring and click revenue.
Maybe you should focus on your own life, rather than trying to micro-manage the lives of other people. If they want to spend time on FB, that is their choice, not yours.
It seems one of the first things to do...is NOT just let anyone post live on FB (or the other platforms) as a default capability.
Here is an even better solution: Grow and realize that bad stuff happens and it will happen whether or not it is posted live on FB. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it is not happening, and if you don't want to see it then CLOSE YOUR BROWSER TAB.
None of the things mentioned are FB's "fault", and "more censorship" is NOT the answer.
I think it just brings attention to how insane and dysfunctional California is.
Median income in California is well above the national level. Rising housing prices are actually a benefit if you already own your house, as most people do.
It also begs the question...
No it doesn't. It raises the question. Begging the question means something completely different.
... why the hell would anyone want to live like that.
1. High salaries that more than offset the high housing cost. 2. Making even more money as your house appreciates. 3. The best public schools in the country are in Silicon Valley 4. Lots of very interesting work
I lived in San Jose all my life and never experience that.
Maybe you don't notice the bubble because you were born in it. I grew up in Appalachia (eastern Tennessee) and now live in San Jose. To me, it is like two different planets.
college was still seen as a place for learning rather than a trade school.
It should be both. Should you study history and literature in college? Sure. Should you MAJOR in history or English literature? Not unless you have rich parents.
When I was in college, I took a (mandatory) class called "Great Books of Western Literature". It was a good class with a great professor, and I enjoyed it very much. I also took classes in sociology, history, and art. But my major was engineering. So I left college with a broad general education, specific useful skills, and a well paying job.
Internships are really extended multi-month job interviews. That is how my company sees them, and that is how interns should see them. We never offer an internship to someone that we would not want to hire as a permanent employee. After graduation, we offer jobs to about 60% of our former interns, and most of them accept. We make NO job offers to any other graduates.
So the competition for the best interns is really a competition for the best future employees. The competition is fierce, and the best students usually have multiple internship offers.
Students that don't intern, and expect to just magically find a job after they graduate, are idiots.
and the cost of living in the bay area is very high out there 60K is crap.
My company in San Jose rents a five bedroom house for the summer, within walking distance of our offices. Interns bunk two to a room. This free housing makes it much easier to recruit interns from outside the Bay Area, because they save more of their pay and they don't have to look for housing (which is a major time-wasting hassle in SV).
The key to get more women into tech is start introducing programming in elementary school and hook them on coding before they get sidetracked with stupid tween shit.
Nope. As someone who coaches a programming/robotics program at an elementary school for 4th, 5th and 6th graders, I can say that it is very difficult to get girls interested even in elementary school. The few that participate are mostly there because their parents forced them.
I have tried hard to get more girls to sign up. I recruited a techno-mom to be an assistant coach and role model. We let them form an all-girl team (which they prefer). We tried cooperation oriented programming tasks, rather than competitions. We tried other girl-oriented stuff like 3D-printing dollhouse furniture. None of that made a difference. Half of them quit when there was a time conflict with the school play rehearsals. Zero boys have dropped out.
I feel very frustrated. If anyone has any ideas on how to get girls interested in tech, I would love to hear about it.
For all I know, the women's solutions are better because of this, and the stats brought to light here are because men can't see that - because the thinking isn't the same.
Real life example of this happening: Female police officers.
For many years the most important criteria for evaluating a police officer was "number of arrests". Women just didn't measure up, and performed poorly.
Then "community policing" was adopted, and people realized that "making arrests" was actually a dumb way to measure police performance. Far more important was preventing the crimes from happening in the first place, and defusing potentially violent situations rather than escalating them. By these measures, women are, on average, better police officers than men.
natural gas has methane which is worse than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas stupid
1. The trick is to BURN the methane, rather than vent it into the atmosphere. 2. Even though some methane leaks from valves and pipes, it has a half-life in the atmosphere of only 7 years, so it is not a long term problem. CO2 stays around for millenia.
It sounds like they are using the word "robot" to mean a software program that accepts input and produces output. So by that definition a web browser or a video game would also be a "robot".
I wonder if there is enough accessible mass in the solar system to build one??
If you built a Dyson Sphere at one AU (150M km), it would have a surface area of 4 pi r^2 = 2.8e17 km^2, If it was one cm thick, that would be 2.8 trillion cubic km. The volume of the earth is about 1.1 trillion cubic km, so you would need approximately two and a half earths.
You could save a lot of material by building it closer to the sun, maybe at the orbit of Venus. Or just build a Dyson Ring instead. A full sphere may have to wait till Trump's second term.
most of that electricity that is there comes from coal,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_India#Installed_capacity
India is planning to invest $100B in solar between now and 2022. Most installed capacity is coal, but a much smaller fraction of new capacity is coal.
the significant bump in demand will mean more coal, so how is this helping air pollution again?
This point has been beaten to death, but apparently it needs to be repeated yet again: Even when using coal, electric cars produce less CO2 than ICEs. They also produce less other pollution, since a single coal plant scrubber is far more cost effective than thousands of individual catalytic converters on ICE vehicles. Also, the generation can occur outside of cities where far fewer people breathe it.
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Workers do not have overtime, do not have a lot of other protections.
Workers in China have a right to overtime pay. It isn't always enforced, but it is certainly enforced in the export factories in Shenzhen. Chinese workers in non-SOE companies also have a right to strike. Chinese workplace health and safety regulations are not as strict as OSHA, but they are reasonable, and they are enforced in Shenzhen.
Some workers seem to essentially be prisoner to the company town
Bullcrap. Some factories have dormitories, but living in them is optional, and most workers do not live there. This isn't the 1990s.
shopping in company stores
More bullcrap. I have never seen a "company store" in Shenzhen. It is a bustling metropolis with plenty of options for shopping, and there are no restrictions on how or where people can spend their money.
Have you ever been to China?
2 million jobs? So apple is claiming to be responsible for almost 1.5% of US employment? sounds like bullshit marketing speak to me
According to Wikipedia, Apple has 115,000 employees. I have no idea how Tim came up with "2 million".
Most Apple products are the most difficult to recycle. By design.
Who cares? The volume of Apple products in landfills is totally negligible. More disposable baby diapers go to landfills everyday than all the iPhones ever made.
You need to get some perspective. America consumes 20 million barrels of oil everyday. Don't you think we should focus on that, instead of worrying about what happens to a few iPhones? You remind me of my idiot neighbor who drives ten miles to the recycling center in her gas-guzzling SUV to drop of a dozen grocery bags that collectively weigh less than a gram, and thinks she is an "environmentalist".
Those $Bs of jobs will go poof as soon as the Qualcomm battle is over.
The Qualcomm battle will drag on for years and years. Most assembly is done with robots, and it doesn't matter much where those robots are parked. The days of cheap labor in China are ending. The Chinese leadership knows this, and they are trying to shift their economy more toward services and domestic consumption, and away from exporting labor intensive goods.
US prisons are the only place in America you can get free health care....
You can get free healthcare if you join the army.
What're they gonna do - torture them for the info?
No, but they can be held in jail indefinitely for refusing to obey the judge's order.
Right. A case about two idiots blackmailing a woman with nudes is the thing that would upset the founding fathers.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." -- H. L. Mencken
The mass surveillance over the US population conducted by the federal government over the last decade was a-ok ...
You are implying that supporters of human rights are hypocrites. I don't think so. Those of us objecting to this violation of 5th are the same people that objected to the mass surveillance.
No, the parent is recommending shitcanning yet another tool that does nothing but feed ruthless narcissism for the sake of attention whoring and click revenue.
Maybe you should focus on your own life, rather than trying to micro-manage the lives of other people. If they want to spend time on FB, that is their choice, not yours.
It seems one of the first things to do...is NOT just let anyone post live on FB (or the other platforms) as a default capability.
Here is an even better solution: Grow and realize that bad stuff happens and it will happen whether or not it is posted live on FB. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it is not happening, and if you don't want to see it then CLOSE YOUR BROWSER TAB.
None of the things mentioned are FB's "fault", and "more censorship" is NOT the answer.
I think it just brings attention to how insane and dysfunctional California is.
Median income in California is well above the national level. Rising housing prices are actually a benefit if you already own your house, as most people do.
It also begs the question ...
No it doesn't. It raises the question. Begging the question means something completely different.
... why the hell would anyone want to live like that.
1. High salaries that more than offset the high housing cost.
2. Making even more money as your house appreciates.
3. The best public schools in the country are in Silicon Valley
4. Lots of very interesting work
I lived in San Jose all my life and never experience that.
Maybe you don't notice the bubble because you were born in it. I grew up in Appalachia (eastern Tennessee) and now live in San Jose. To me, it is like two different planets.
The question I've always had is where the "service class" lives.
Gilroy.
college was still seen as a place for learning rather than a trade school.
It should be both. Should you study history and literature in college? Sure. Should you MAJOR in history or English literature? Not unless you have rich parents.
When I was in college, I took a (mandatory) class called "Great Books of Western Literature". It was a good class with a great professor, and I enjoyed it very much. I also took classes in sociology, history, and art. But my major was engineering. So I left college with a broad general education, specific useful skills, and a well paying job.
Internships are really extended multi-month job interviews. That is how my company sees them, and that is how interns should see them. We never offer an internship to someone that we would not want to hire as a permanent employee. After graduation, we offer jobs to about 60% of our former interns, and most of them accept. We make NO job offers to any other graduates.
So the competition for the best interns is really a competition for the best future employees. The competition is fierce, and the best students usually have multiple internship offers.
Students that don't intern, and expect to just magically find a job after they graduate, are idiots.
and the cost of living in the bay area is very high out there 60K is crap.
My company in San Jose rents a five bedroom house for the summer, within walking distance of our offices. Interns bunk two to a room. This free housing makes it much easier to recruit interns from outside the Bay Area, because they save more of their pay and they don't have to look for housing (which is a major time-wasting hassle in SV).
the thing is, the kids will still get far too much fat, sodium and other 'bad' stuff in everything else they eat
Some will. Some won't. My kids eat healthy at home. I don't appreciate the government feeding them garbage at school.
The key to get more women into tech is start introducing programming in elementary school and hook them on coding before they get sidetracked with stupid tween shit.
Nope. As someone who coaches a programming/robotics program at an elementary school for 4th, 5th and 6th graders, I can say that it is very difficult to get girls interested even in elementary school. The few that participate are mostly there because their parents forced them.
I have tried hard to get more girls to sign up. I recruited a techno-mom to be an assistant coach and role model. We let them form an all-girl team (which they prefer). We tried cooperation oriented programming tasks, rather than competitions. We tried other girl-oriented stuff like 3D-printing dollhouse furniture. None of that made a difference. Half of them quit when there was a time conflict with the school play rehearsals. Zero boys have dropped out.
I feel very frustrated. If anyone has any ideas on how to get girls interested in tech, I would love to hear about it.
For all I know, the women's solutions are better because of this, and the stats brought to light here are because men can't see that - because the thinking isn't the same.
Real life example of this happening: Female police officers.
For many years the most important criteria for evaluating a police officer was "number of arrests". Women just didn't measure up, and performed poorly.
Then "community policing" was adopted, and people realized that "making arrests" was actually a dumb way to measure police performance. Far more important was preventing the crimes from happening in the first place, and defusing potentially violent situations rather than escalating them. By these measures, women are, on average, better police officers than men.
. . . the claim was "Maybe it's just not as good." Needs proof as you and parent said.
A sentence that begins with "maybe" is not a "claim".
Basically it says that our advances in internal combustion technology have made a negligible difference in the amount of carbon emitted
That is because as fuel efficiency has improved, instead of using less fuel, people have bought BIGGER VEHICLES.
I am waiting for the civilian version of the M1 Abrams.
natural gas has methane which is worse than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas stupid
1. The trick is to BURN the methane, rather than vent it into the atmosphere.
2. Even though some methane leaks from valves and pipes, it has a half-life in the atmosphere of only 7 years, so it is not a long term problem. CO2 stays around for millenia.
It sounds like they are using the word "robot" to mean a software program that accepts input and produces output. So by that definition a web browser or a video game would also be a "robot".
I wonder if there is enough accessible mass in the solar system to build one??
If you built a Dyson Sphere at one AU (150M km), it would have a surface area of 4 pi r^2 = 2.8e17 km^2, If it was one cm thick, that would be 2.8 trillion cubic km. The volume of the earth is about 1.1 trillion cubic km, so you would need approximately two and a half earths.
You could save a lot of material by building it closer to the sun, maybe at the orbit of Venus. Or just build a Dyson Ring instead. A full sphere may have to wait till Trump's second term.
Where are you buying these magical 10-year-plus car batteries?
You can find plenty of them in 10-year-plus Priuses. Even after 10 years, most of them still have 80% or better battery capacity.
Of course, technology has improved, so batteries produced today should last even longer.
most of that electricity that is there comes from coal,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_India#Installed_capacity
India is planning to invest $100B in solar between now and 2022. Most installed capacity is coal, but a much smaller fraction of new capacity is coal.
the significant bump in demand will mean more coal, so how is this helping air pollution again?
This point has been beaten to death, but apparently it needs to be repeated yet again: Even when using coal, electric cars produce less CO2 than ICEs. They also produce less other pollution, since a single coal plant scrubber is far more cost effective than thousands of individual catalytic converters on ICE vehicles. Also, the generation can occur outside of cities where far fewer people breathe it.