Yes, paying with a credit card is EASIER. WHEN I'M READY TO PAY. I'm not going to hand my credit card to a cashier when I walk into Walmart. Or to the hormel lady handing out the free weenies. I'll do it when I get ready to leave, with the can of weenies. When I walk through the food court at the mall and am accosted by the Cookie lady with the samples, and the chinese restaurant guy with the terriaki beef samples, They don't ask for my credit card until AFTER I order a meal.
So you are implying that Blizzard will charge you durng the test period before you agree to actually pay? Other then the times it happens by accident (since for millions of people it works fine I will assume user-error) I am pretty sure Blizzard is straightforward about their billing policy.
Also, again, this is your desire and opinion and it does not override what the store owners want - the store owners being Blizzard.
Just so you know, some stores do require you to pay before you get your service, including some restaurants I have been to (an IHOP after 10PM requires payment first).
As a person who has worked in banks, I have seen how poor some people can be when it comes to security. They ask questions like "what was your last withdrawl/deposit", address information, etc. Sometimes you can even negotiate with them "oh i don't have this information, how baout this"...sometimes it is because they have no clue about security (their fault more then the banks), sometimes they don't care, and sometimes they are so much into trying to make the customer happy (especially if the customer starts to get irritated). Yea it is scary and doesn't take much skill... you can easily (and legally) try this by calling your bank. Try and get your banking information (obviously this is not illegal) but just act dumb, and limit your information to what you got from say a dropped check, or deposit slip.
Well, Since all of this is speculation anyway since blizzard HASN'T said why they want my credit card information, except for a one liner about making billing "easier" if I continue after the "free" trial. Then I call BULL on the bandwidth and age check claims.
You can call it all you like, in the end it is their policy and they have every right in the world to set the policy as they please. You have every right in the world to not pay and play. And yes, having the money debited from my credit card (or bank account if they offer that) is MUCH more convenient then having to write a check and mailing it out. Anybody saying otherwise is full of crap. One requires you to take steps of action each month and the other does not. Also, by not utilizing checks you are saving on the manual process. Imagine if Blizzard had to have a lockbox center to process checks...the game would cost more money. They would also have to deal with things like bounced checks from those who don't know how to balance their checkbooks...and godforbid if a check got lost or is late...people would cry bloody murder if they lost account access because their check didn't make it.
I'm sorry if I said BillG gave 2/3...according to the info, he gave 1/3 of his lifetime earnings. Remember, lifetime earnings is different then current net worth.
A "used" account key is "USED UP". end of story. If I can collect 100 free keys I should be able to "try" the game 100 times.
I know what a used account key is...and well that's your OPINION. The people who OWN the game want you to have ONE account key to test try the game, not 100. ANd this really is a non-argumentative point; we are talking about opinions and since you don't own the game, you are not on the board of directors, or any other decision making body for the company you get ZERO say and their opinion means little more then the marketing card you might fill out.
So he treated her like shit, and she blew him. And made another date. If he'd been polite, and calmly made his point, he'd have been unfun and a spineless nerd.
Women: "Why are guys such assholes? Where are all the nice men who treat us with minimum respect?"
They die virgins, and never reproduce. Because women like assholes. They're more fun.
Kinda explains why the assholes tend to all be physically similar: they're all fathered by, like, some really vicious, amoral, yet fun dude who do everyone's wife. All the dudes in the Clark Street and Lincoln avenue bars in Chicago are the same 6'1" baseball cap wearing guy with a lantern jaw and no respect for any woman in the house. They're all related to some dude with XYY chromosomes from KY who passed through Lake Forest 28 years ago.
As long as women want to be treated like fools, they will be. Shrug.
Fin.
No see, you weren't there so stop assuming. I didn't treat her like shit, I made fun of her - it's part of flirting. Learn about it. It is not like I embarassed her in public, we were in private. And I know for a fact never did anyone, ever (except in the boxing ring) call me vicious...especially towards women.
Well you live in Philadelphia and I live in Canberra, so I think this could work very well. I'll let you know where to send the jewellery. You'll get several gushing love letters a week in the post written on my beautiful stationery and air mailed so you can enjoy them sooner.
So is this like that Christians foundation for kids in Africa? Except now they are helping the girls in Canada? Do I get a picture?:)
Yeah I am a girl, and although I'm not this guy's girlfriend and won't give head to a guy who is laughing at me, I go along with the basic psychology.
We're more interested in a man with his own opinions and beliefs. It shows he's a thinker and comfortable with himself. A sycophantic agreement man has our attention for a short while and then we dump him for the spineless nerd he is.
Thank you. Just to note I wasn't laughing at the same point and time she was giving me head...I was enjoying that too much to be laughing. I laughed at her right before that:)
But yes, women hate spineless men - and those are easy to spot - they always agree.
What's this "not this guy's girlfriend" hmm that is a finite state, and we should turn that 0 to a 1. I bring along with me a gaurantee of multiple orgasims:D
Thanks:) She has two. One older, meh, but the yonger one I hear is fine...and overdeveloped, but she is 15 so you will have to wait a few years (unless your 18=)
Got head while laughing at a chick...I don't know if I should look up to you for being the ultimate man or look down upon you for degrading women.
Oh this is getting added to my journal:) I've been having a good monday/tuesday with regards to girls, which is good cause my ex (who i deeply care for) came and picked up her remaining stuff on Sunday.
Hmm....I'm guessing you did not get laid by her though?:-)
While I agree with your thoughts on this...dude, you gotta remember you say what they want to hear to get laid!! You don't have to mean it.....
You should be worried. It is not an issue of people cracking it, it is an issue that it would be illegal meaning someone will go to jail or pay heavy fines. That is the problem...especially since it is not cool if this happens - which it will since they have big bucks to burn on congress.
I just went out with this girl who, and I told her, is the poster child for the MPAA/RIAA. She believes that EVEN if you own the movie (as in bought it at a store, legit and all) you should have to buy it again if you want to say make a backup copy (i.e. you want to backup your movie so you can put the original in a safe area). I couldn't stop laughing at her and kept making fun of her...and will continue to make fun of her.
I have a hard and fast rule -- if I'm not actually paying you any money, I'm not providing you with sufficient information to subsequently bill me.
I absolutely will not provide CC information to use a 'free' trial. I also typically refuse to allow people to take moneys out of my accounts in the future without my interaction. You may send me an invoice. You may not just decide to take what you need.
But, I'm probably being unrealistic. Nobody would ever misuse that, right?
That's fine..it's your perfect right to refuse to provide a CC for free trial. It is also perfectly their right to refuse you access to their system. You also have the right to refuse auto-debit, and they have the right to refuse you service.
You are not being unrealistic in your wants. That is what is great about this form of commerce - you don't have to have it.
Why should someone getting multiple free trials be a problem?? The "account key" should be the distinguishing factor there
Why should it be a problem? Because the game owners don't want you hogging their bandwidth for free. As for the "account key"...it's not a unique enough identifier. You can swap account keys left and right - just find another one.
Because most people, when they get home from a long day of whatever do not want to fire up the ole computer and log on to CNN. They want to lay in their bed/couch and let the news freeflow to them. They want to be able to make dinner while the news is in the background. Sitting at your computer takes effort and some people do not want to put effort at that given point in time. It's a convenience that should not be diminished.
Not that I mind Google tracking and directing commercials I might want to see (hey I gotta watch them at some point) but do I really want pr0n commercials popping up when I am chilling with some girl watching tv?
If it has advertising on it then it is not free, it is just the tv stations finally airing a broadcast in a different format.
I wish they did this with every tv show. They could even charge their advertisers more money for ads. Instead of saying "Hey we think the people who watch Smallville will like commercials about Axe Deoderant, we can make a potential viewer register, ask him what kind of advertising he would like and then direct advertise for him. Pay up more money"...this I wouldn't mind so then I could get commercials I want (like I really want to see tampon commercials).
I wish they would make it more direct, i mean four hours is a lot. I could understand half hour, at most.
I don't know what kind of philanthropy gives out less than it takes in and never more than ~5% of its net worth, but it's not a typical one and certainly not one to hold up as the embodiment of charitable acts.
You do not know much about charitable organizations then. Any successfull charitable organization keeps X amount of dollars in a fund that earns interest...This interest is what is used to support the charity. This insures that X amount of dollars is always there and is always earning interest. 5% interest is about right, for our current market, in such large volumes in a stable fund (you don't want to put charitable donations in high yield, high risk funds).
Also, someone mentioned that Wikipedia reports that Bill Gates has given about 1/3 of his lifetime total earnings. How many people do you know have given 1/3 of their lifetime earnings? How about 1/4, 1/5, 10%? 5% - yea I don't know many. Even look at other insanely rich and they don't give as much as he (it's rare). Bill Gates does a good job in donations, hands down. Just say thank you.
Oh and if Bill Gates attempts to liquidate the funds and put it into his personal wealth, the public outcry (and the legal ramifications) would be insane. Remember, this is a tax-deductible organization and has many restrictions.
100% agreed. Google is not transmitting on XYZ's pipes on their own initiative...the customers are and they are paying for this. They are asking google to send them information - something they ask of ANY website out there. That's how the internet works.
I hope ma bell actually tries to do this "Sorry you cannot access GOogle because they will not pay us a fee"...then the customer leaves the DSL company for the cable company. Also, this guy doesn't realize that internet transmissions piggy back all the time...so someone could make the same argument against this baby bell. "Yea one of your customers wanted to access XYZ website and because of this their ip route passed through our pipes...pay up or your customers won't get access".
WTF? They're using these things to STORE DATA. Not run a fscking heart/lung machine.
Let's see WTF we would want the OS to be as secure as a heart/lung machine: What happens if we use say Windows OS and the data becomes corrupt, suffers from a virus, etc? Do you want the doctors notes, which should read "Give 4 CCs of Super Life Saving, but lethal drug if given in the wrong quantities" to say "Give 10 CC's..."
Considering you are on/., I would think you would realize that data integrety is IMPERATIVE.
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Yes, paying with a credit card is EASIER. WHEN I'M READY TO PAY. I'm not going to hand my credit card to a cashier when I walk into Walmart. Or to the hormel lady handing out the free weenies. I'll do it when I get ready to leave, with the can of weenies. When I walk through the food court at the mall and am accosted by the Cookie lady with the samples, and the chinese restaurant guy with the terriaki beef samples, They don't ask for my credit card until AFTER I order a meal.
So you are implying that Blizzard will charge you durng the test period before you agree to actually pay? Other then the times it happens by accident (since for millions of people it works fine I will assume user-error) I am pretty sure Blizzard is straightforward about their billing policy.
Also, again, this is your desire and opinion and it does not override what the store owners want - the store owners being Blizzard.
Just so you know, some stores do require you to pay before you get your service, including some restaurants I have been to (an IHOP after 10PM requires payment first).
As a person who has worked in banks, I have seen how poor some people can be when it comes to security. They ask questions like "what was your last withdrawl/deposit", address information, etc. Sometimes you can even negotiate with them "oh i don't have this information, how baout this"...sometimes it is because they have no clue about security (their fault more then the banks), sometimes they don't care, and sometimes they are so much into trying to make the customer happy (especially if the customer starts to get irritated). Yea it is scary and doesn't take much skill... you can easily (and legally) try this by calling your bank. Try and get your banking information (obviously this is not illegal) but just act dumb, and limit your information to what you got from say a dropped check, or deposit slip.
Well, Since all of this is speculation anyway since blizzard HASN'T said why they want my credit card information, except for a one liner about making billing "easier" if I continue after the "free" trial. Then I call BULL on the bandwidth and age check claims.
You can call it all you like, in the end it is their policy and they have every right in the world to set the policy as they please. You have every right in the world to not pay and play. And yes, having the money debited from my credit card (or bank account if they offer that) is MUCH more convenient then having to write a check and mailing it out. Anybody saying otherwise is full of crap. One requires you to take steps of action each month and the other does not. Also, by not utilizing checks you are saving on the manual process. Imagine if Blizzard had to have a lockbox center to process checks...the game would cost more money. They would also have to deal with things like bounced checks from those who don't know how to balance their checkbooks...and godforbid if a check got lost or is late...people would cry bloody murder if they lost account access because their check didn't make it.
I'm sorry if I said BillG gave 2/3...according to the info, he gave 1/3 of his lifetime earnings. Remember, lifetime earnings is different then current net worth.
A "used" account key is "USED UP". end of story. If I can collect 100 free keys I should be able to "try" the game 100 times.
I know what a used account key is...and well that's your OPINION. The people who OWN the game want you to have ONE account key to test try the game, not 100. ANd this really is a non-argumentative point; we are talking about opinions and since you don't own the game, you are not on the board of directors, or any other decision making body for the company you get ZERO say and their opinion means little more then the marketing card you might fill out.
So he treated her like shit, and she blew him. And made another date. If he'd been polite, and calmly made his point, he'd have been unfun and a spineless nerd. Women: "Why are guys such assholes? Where are all the nice men who treat us with minimum respect?" They die virgins, and never reproduce. Because women like assholes. They're more fun. Kinda explains why the assholes tend to all be physically similar: they're all fathered by, like, some really vicious, amoral, yet fun dude who do everyone's wife. All the dudes in the Clark Street and Lincoln avenue bars in Chicago are the same 6'1" baseball cap wearing guy with a lantern jaw and no respect for any woman in the house. They're all related to some dude with XYY chromosomes from KY who passed through Lake Forest 28 years ago. As long as women want to be treated like fools, they will be. Shrug. Fin.
No see, you weren't there so stop assuming. I didn't treat her like shit, I made fun of her - it's part of flirting. Learn about it. It is not like I embarassed her in public, we were in private. And I know for a fact never did anyone, ever (except in the boxing ring) call me vicious...especially towards women.
Well you live in Philadelphia and I live in Canberra, so I think this could work very well. I'll let you know where to send the jewellery. You'll get several gushing love letters a week in the post written on my beautiful stationery and air mailed so you can enjoy them sooner.
:)
So is this like that Christians foundation for kids in Africa? Except now they are helping the girls in Canada? Do I get a picture?
Yeah I am a girl, and although I'm not this guy's girlfriend and won't give head to a guy who is laughing at me, I go along with the basic psychology. We're more interested in a man with his own opinions and beliefs. It shows he's a thinker and comfortable with himself. A sycophantic agreement man has our attention for a short while and then we dump him for the spineless nerd he is.
:)
:D
Thank you. Just to note I wasn't laughing at the same point and time she was giving me head...I was enjoying that too much to be laughing. I laughed at her right before that
But yes, women hate spineless men - and those are easy to spot - they always agree.
What's this "not this guy's girlfriend" hmm that is a finite state, and we should turn that 0 to a 1. I bring along with me a gaurantee of multiple orgasims
Does she have a good looking sister?
:) She has two. One older, meh, but the yonger one I hear is fine...and overdeveloped, but she is 15 so you will have to wait a few years (unless your 18=)
Thanks
Got head while laughing at a chick...I don't know if I should look up to you for being the ultimate man or look down upon you for degrading women.
:) I've been having a good monday/tuesday with regards to girls, which is good cause my ex (who i deeply care for) came and picked up her remaining stuff on Sunday.
Oh this is getting added to my journal
As I said to the previous poster, I got head and she will see me again..sometimes you gotta be tough with the girls - don't let them push you around.
Hmm....I'm guessing you did not get laid by her though? :-)
While I agree with your thoughts on this...dude, you gotta remember you say what they want to hear to get laid!! You don't have to mean it.....
:)
I got better then laid, I got head
You should be worried. It is not an issue of people cracking it, it is an issue that it would be illegal meaning someone will go to jail or pay heavy fines. That is the problem...especially since it is not cool if this happens - which it will since they have big bucks to burn on congress.
I just went out with this girl who, and I told her, is the poster child for the MPAA/RIAA. She believes that EVEN if you own the movie (as in bought it at a store, legit and all) you should have to buy it again if you want to say make a backup copy (i.e. you want to backup your movie so you can put the original in a safe area). I couldn't stop laughing at her and kept making fun of her...and will continue to make fun of her.
I have a hard and fast rule -- if I'm not actually paying you any money, I'm not providing you with sufficient information to subsequently bill me. I absolutely will not provide CC information to use a 'free' trial. I also typically refuse to allow people to take moneys out of my accounts in the future without my interaction. You may send me an invoice. You may not just decide to take what you need. But, I'm probably being unrealistic. Nobody would ever misuse that, right?
That's fine..it's your perfect right to refuse to provide a CC for free trial. It is also perfectly their right to refuse you access to their system. You also have the right to refuse auto-debit, and they have the right to refuse you service.
You are not being unrealistic in your wants. That is what is great about this form of commerce - you don't have to have it.
Why should someone getting multiple free trials be a problem?? The "account key" should be the distinguishing factor there
Why should it be a problem? Because the game owners don't want you hogging their bandwidth for free. As for the "account key"...it's not a unique enough identifier. You can swap account keys left and right - just find another one.
Goes right along with needing a Credit card for a "free trial".
A legit reason for a credit card is to make it harder for someone to just continue to get free trials by utilizing different e-mail accounts.
And the new, honestly, looks like someone spent three minutes in Swift 3d...using the default globe and adding horns.
What's next, they'll say some IBM employees might have had coffee with Linux developers?
Sure, go ahead, blame a good cup of Java why don't you.
Because most people, when they get home from a long day of whatever do not want to fire up the ole computer and log on to CNN. They want to lay in their bed/couch and let the news freeflow to them. They want to be able to make dinner while the news is in the background. Sitting at your computer takes effort and some people do not want to put effort at that given point in time. It's a convenience that should not be diminished.
Not that I mind Google tracking and directing commercials I might want to see (hey I gotta watch them at some point) but do I really want pr0n commercials popping up when I am chilling with some girl watching tv?
If it has advertising on it then it is not free, it is just the tv stations finally airing a broadcast in a different format.
I wish they did this with every tv show. They could even charge their advertisers more money for ads. Instead of saying "Hey we think the people who watch Smallville will like commercials about Axe Deoderant, we can make a potential viewer register, ask him what kind of advertising he would like and then direct advertise for him. Pay up more money"...this I wouldn't mind so then I could get commercials I want (like I really want to see tampon commercials).
I wish they would make it more direct, i mean four hours is a lot. I could understand half hour, at most.
I don't know what kind of philanthropy gives out less than it takes in and never more than ~5% of its net worth, but it's not a typical one and certainly not one to hold up as the embodiment of charitable acts.
You do not know much about charitable organizations then. Any successfull charitable organization keeps X amount of dollars in a fund that earns interest...This interest is what is used to support the charity. This insures that X amount of dollars is always there and is always earning interest. 5% interest is about right, for our current market, in such large volumes in a stable fund (you don't want to put charitable donations in high yield, high risk funds).
Also, someone mentioned that Wikipedia reports that Bill Gates has given about 1/3 of his lifetime total earnings. How many people do you know have given 1/3 of their lifetime earnings? How about 1/4, 1/5, 10%? 5% - yea I don't know many. Even look at other insanely rich and they don't give as much as he (it's rare). Bill Gates does a good job in donations, hands down. Just say thank you.
Oh and if Bill Gates attempts to liquidate the funds and put it into his personal wealth, the public outcry (and the legal ramifications) would be insane. Remember, this is a tax-deductible organization and has many restrictions.
"is this a donation without strings attached?" is a legitimate question
No it's not. You just say thank you, shut-up and move along. He did something good (not the first time) just let it be.
100% agreed. Google is not transmitting on XYZ's pipes on their own initiative...the customers are and they are paying for this. They are asking google to send them information - something they ask of ANY website out there. That's how the internet works.
I hope ma bell actually tries to do this "Sorry you cannot access GOogle because they will not pay us a fee"...then the customer leaves the DSL company for the cable company. Also, this guy doesn't realize that internet transmissions piggy back all the time...so someone could make the same argument against this baby bell. "Yea one of your customers wanted to access XYZ website and because of this their ip route passed through our pipes...pay up or your customers won't get access".
WTF? They're using these things to STORE DATA. Not run a fscking heart/lung machine.
/., I would think you would realize that data integrety is IMPERATIVE.
Let's see WTF we would want the OS to be as secure as a heart/lung machine: What happens if we use say Windows OS and the data becomes corrupt, suffers from a virus, etc? Do you want the doctors notes, which should read "Give 4 CCs of Super Life Saving, but lethal drug if given in the wrong quantities" to say "Give 10 CC's..."
Considering you are on