Thats some good piece of information, and I would hope some Congressman would say "lets define these requirements before we pass the bill."
Considering that you'll be required to show this card to open a bank account, it only stands to reason "for sake of convience" that it become a debit card also
No more so then I use my drivers license (which is required to open a bank account AND has a bar code) to use at an ATM machine. Though *I* would not mind this.
Your lack of concern is absolutley astounding.
I am concerned, but I am not jumping the gun. I would like to see everything outlined and when it says something insane then I will flip. See I only have one average tin-foil hat - I do not have ten tin-foil hats ranging from mildly interested to psychotic.
Um, no, you are most certainly NOT required to carry ID or a driver's license. You are
You may want to check with your state, but most states require everyone over the age of 18 to carry a state ID/DL/Passport/etc. If you do not and a cop stops you, he can cite you (possibly arrest you) for not carrying ID. Yes not many people know this, and probably not many cops would do this - but they can.
As for the ID's being a gold mine for marketers - no more or less so then state issued ID's like DL or gov't issued ID's like Passport. So far I have not gotten any spam cause of my DL or my passport.
The first reason is that having to present this ID to board an airplane is a hindrance to both interstate commerce and freedom of assembly
I do not know what planes you board, but ever since I was four years old I have had to have some kind of ID to board a plane. Be it a passport for international flights or a state id/dl for national flights (obviously being under 16 I would need to use my passport for national flights). All this does is consolidate the passport to the DL.
Good grief it's an example, and it's not that far off. Let me change it then, What company could refuse you live saving healthcare because you haven't paid your cable bill?
pay your bills perhaps? GE apparantly doesn't need to have all these ID's in one to deny you one service because you defaulted on another.
They would with an ID card. That's my point
They would not know anymore about you then they do now. They would get your SS#, DL#, DOB, Address. They would cross-reference your credit record and possibly any criminal records. The only additional information they would have is your passport (which they can get already if you give them your passport for ID). So no they really wouldnt'.
BUT MY DL ISN'T CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO MY BANK! That's my whole point!
First nobody said your bank account had to be in your gov't ID. That might be an option, but not a requirement. Second yes your DL is directly connected to your bank. That or your passport. When you open up a bank account you must have a legal form of ID. Legal forms of ID are: Military ID, State ID/DL, Passport, and some other gov't ID's.
1. Security: Would you advocate a single username/password for all your computer accounts? So why advocate a single ID for your life? If my DL is stolen/lost, I don't need to cancel my CC. Could you imagine the disaster your life would be in if you couldn't travel/buy/rent a video/go to the bank without this card?
If I lose my d/l I probably lost my CC. Go to the bank, they have signature cards. Go to DMV and they have your picture on file
2. Democracy: This is being passed as part of an emergency military bill. Does it not merit its own debate and review? It seems that such a drastic change in everyday life should not take place without proper review.
I agree it merits its own debate and review - but that is out of s cope of my question - what is so bad about having a one national ID. Which all they are currently asking is pretty much your drivers license and passport rolled up into one. I would prefer this. I do not feel like carrying both.
3. Why?: How would this card benefit me? My wallet isn't that big, and I'd perfer if the airline wasn't able to access other areas of my life. Efficiency of government is not my concern, espescially when it goes against my self interests.
Convenience. You no longer have to carry a passport AND drivers license. Also, since the ID looks the same from state to state there is less chance of someone coming from Alabama, showing you their fake ID, but because you have never seen an Alabama ID and the ID looks pretty good you just got scammed
4. Abuse of Power: The federal gov't isn't the problem, it's the corporation that refuses to see me food until I pay their sister company's video rental late fees. It's the bank that won't give me a loan because people of my race have a higher default risk. It's the hacker that couldn't get into the fed Database, so instead asked a nice secretary at the rental car company for my information.
A lot of questions here. What corporation gives you food and requires you to pay the video company late fees? What bank does not give you a loan based on race? (highly illegal actually, and the underwriters do not know what your race is - especially since they rarely if ever come in contact with you). The secretary at the car rental agency could just as easily give your drivers license which has a whole lot of info.
So why do i need to carry an SS card, drivers license AND passport? DL's are not uniform which is a bad idea. Any of these cards could be stolen (via social engineering and physically).
So really not enough for me because everything you said could be applied to our current system and more.
Rights are inalienable, can't be granted or taken away by any government, and only people can have rights.
Oh really? Go to jail - watch your rights be taken away real quick.
And yes they are rights, though not necessarily given on gov't fiat. Since people have to vote for these decisions (see it works like this you pick your politician and hope they vote in a manner that is similar to why you voted for them. If they don't you don't vote for them again, and hopefully complain to them. Since it takes a bunch of people to pass a law it is not by just some 'gov't fiat'.)
As I have already said in a different discussion, this rider crap needs to stop now.
This i TOTALLY agree with. They do things like create laws that have about 100-200 pages worth of riders. Assuming a person doesn't miss subsection 3 of paragaph A151 of line 31 word 2, they then have to fight the political advertisements that say "so and so refused to support funds that go to make bullet proof vests for our soldiers."
Can't they just learn to keep things simple/stupid - i mean its not that hard.
Will someone please tell me, in a civilized manner, what is so bad about national IDs. Answers such as "the fed might abuse it" do not apply as the only response is "duh, so might the state or local gov't". Two points for the person who can give pro's.
Here is a pro that I can think of:br>
Easy to identify ID cards that are universal. No more guessing if this ID from a state you have never been to is legit or not.
If the law is passed in the Fed - your privacy commissioner can blow a whole lot of steam, but in the end - if he doesn't do what big daddy tells him to do - then big daddy will slap him with a bunch of federal fines, maybe even jail time for not obeying the federal law.
Are you that limited in brain capacity that you cannot expand your definition of what can gain rights? States have rights. Pennsylvania is granted specific rights which are carried out by its politicians. The Fed isn't saying "well Mr Pennsylvania Senator A you have these rights to carry out these tasks...but Mr Pennsylvania Senator B --- you unfortunately do not."
Oh I don't know. I think they could mandate using these ID cards, but still allow each state to determine their own, separate, rules for getting a license. Since your ID shows where you live, and you need to ahve your license issued to the address of where you live, this should be no problem.
Yes I would like an all in one ID. As a person who has worked in banking, and as a bouncer at bars - it's god awful annoying to get an ID from another state - which I have never seen (they really update them too often) and have to hope it looks good enough. br
Oh, as for the drug comment - I don't do drugs and only started drinking about 10 years ago - but don't do it too often (too damn expensive);)
Well I can understand the recovery. If I have important documents (like financial documents, family photos, etc) and they are not backed up - I may be willing to pay through the nose to keep them (especially if I can afford them).
I am not that proficient in Linux that I would feel comfortable moving on to it fully. Maybe if i played with it (on my desktop) for a while, but without a real need I just don't seem to have the motivation.
Besides, I do play a lot of games and like to be able to use those games without any problems. Or worry if my video card has the driver, etc. When Linux becomes a bit more mainstream then i will be able to justify doing it... Another issue, I need to be able to maintain Windows for compatability with work (i do a lot of work at home)
Norton probably has few problems on most computers except:
The disabling of Norton is a known issue. Many viruses target Norton first.
This affected one Dell Inspiron 9100, another Dell (i forget the model, but it was bought in October 2004, same as the Inspiron 9100), a Toshiba S901, and a AMD 2200 Desktop. My co-worker (a very bright systems engineer) also has seen Norton deteriorate over the years. I used to love Norton, used it for years. I would recommend it to everyone - and on occasion when it was disabeled I figured "oh some virus got me" or some such thing. But eventually it got to be too much. It was so bad that right after installation, after each boot-up i would get crazy errors due to Norton.
What do you mean you can't uninstall any of the Norton products? I have always been able to uninstall them.
Obviously there is the uninformed person, and they will probably remove Norton and then install something else - which is bad. It is not Nortons (or Windows) fault, however. They put something in place to protect the customer - the customer does not like it and wants to swap (its the customers own fault if something goes bad). Personally, whenever I get a computer - I reformat it, install all the stuff I want (i will d/l a fresh copy from the net). Then once my computer has my virus protection, anti-spyware, firewall, and browser/email client I will connect it to the net.
Norton has a good name, unfortunately the product they sell has deteriorated. I actually like McAfee ALMOST more...really I don't. My cousin did not register his McAfee in time and the computer got super-p0wn3d. (i had to end up reformatting). McAfee requires registration through I.E., which was p0wn3d by some nasty viruses/spyware. I even put in FireFox (i had it on disk) and that was instantly p0wn3d. The only way to get McAfee running was not working - kinda lame.
I used to use Symantec - for many years...even before when it was Dr. Nortons. Now it just plain sucks. It kept crashing on my XP laptop. Crashed ony my parents laptop. That and even before then, Norton Antivirus would not always turn on when the computer powered up...and everything would turn it off. My cousin just got McAfee internet security - came with virus, spameware, adblock, and more.
Right now I use CA eTrust virus and MS AntiSpyware.
Please reference this legal dictionary. And I do not want some persons opinion or redefining - I want a neutral, authorative definition (i.e. Websters dictionary).
Because if its controlling marketshare you are speaking of then there are many companies who have a controlling market share who are not getting slapped with anti-trust suits. Though I would rate the OS market to more of an oligopoly then a monopoly, but due to the amount of different OS' this is even breaking down...not like there is a high barrier to entrance in this market. All you gotta do is create the software and start giving/selling it away.
Did the prototype cost 2 million or did they figure out if they sold say 10,000 each one would cost 2 million? For example, in car production - the prototype in and of itself usually has a high price tag (can be in the millions) for all the R&D. Break that cost out over tens of thousands of cars and you get a more reasonable price. Though I do not know how comfortable I would be for these to sell commercial grade...military use sure, commercial? hell no.
By definition they are a monopoly? Lets see what monopoly is:
Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a commodity or service: "Monopoly frequently... arises from government support or from collusive agreements among individuals" (Milton Friedman).
Law. A right granted by a government giving exclusive control over a specified commercial activity to a single party.
A company or group having exclusive control over a commercial activity.
A commodity or service so controlled.
Is Windows the only OS available?: No
Is Internet Explorer the only browser availbe?: No
Is Windows Media player the only media utility around?: No
All the definitions of monopoly that I have heard in my schooling had one premise: ONE (as in "there can be only one"). MS fails this. Now maybe they attempted to be a monopoly, but they aren't.
Due to the fact they are a monopoly they are penalized in various ways
Due to the fact they were deemed to try and create a monopoly they were punished.
Though, personally I think they should have been forbidden to do business and all assets liquidated, including all people on its board. Allowing them to continue business at all was really the '2nd wrong'.
Well thank god for our world you weren't the judge behind the desk, since your penalty far outstrips the punishment. Maybe Bill should have been executed via the electric chair
Thats ok....buy a huge memory stick (so it costs a few bucks), then hack your PsP, and then get all the games/movies you want for free. Copy them to the stick and have fun.
Personally, having to buy my fav movies AGAIN so i can watch them on the PsP? Sony must be smoking crack.
2 - Microsoft has been declared to be a monopoly. The rules are different. They should be treated differently then an honest small business, and held to different standards.
Thats a COMPLETE load of crap. Two wrongs do not make a right. And what do you do if it is determined by a legal entity (not you or anyone here on/.) that MS is no longer a monopoly?
Oh and how can MS be a monopoly when I can go out buy a computer with Linux or MAC OS, or build my own computer without any OS. There are plenty of places that will sell you a computer without ANY OS.
doubt I will become incapable of determining the rare fictional articles from the real ones.
I have my credit card in hand and am still searching KB Toys for a working model. Dammit I want one:( Actually I would rather have the hoverboard from Back to the Future...or better yet a holodeck from STrek-TNG
So they say it could be used for longer missions - but is it big enough. From the diagram it looks like the crew has a place to sit. For any missions, especially long term, the crew really needs a place to move around.
About a year ago, a pretzel bite hit the back of my head. I turned around (full theatre) and yelled back "if your bad ass enough to throw a pretzel bite at my head, maybe you wanna be bad ass enough to stand up and admit to it." Sadly, nobody stood up. Screaming kids should be removed as well as people who never grow up.
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Thats some good piece of information, and I would hope some Congressman would say "lets define these requirements before we pass the bill."
Considering that you'll be required to show this card to open a bank account, it only stands to reason "for sake of convience" that it become a debit card also
No more so then I use my drivers license (which is required to open a bank account AND has a bar code) to use at an ATM machine. Though *I* would not mind this.
Your lack of concern is absolutley astounding.
I am concerned, but I am not jumping the gun. I would like to see everything outlined and when it says something insane then I will flip. See I only have one average tin-foil hat - I do not have ten tin-foil hats ranging from mildly interested to psychotic.
Um, no, you are most certainly NOT required to carry ID or a driver's license. You are
You may want to check with your state, but most states require everyone over the age of 18 to carry a state ID/DL/Passport/etc. If you do not and a cop stops you, he can cite you (possibly arrest you) for not carrying ID. Yes not many people know this, and probably not many cops would do this - but they can.
As for the ID's being a gold mine for marketers - no more or less so then state issued ID's like DL or gov't issued ID's like Passport. So far I have not gotten any spam cause of my DL or my passport.
The first reason is that having to present this ID to board an airplane is a hindrance to both interstate commerce and freedom of assembly
I do not know what planes you board, but ever since I was four years old I have had to have some kind of ID to board a plane. Be it a passport for international flights or a state id/dl for national flights (obviously being under 16 I would need to use my passport for national flights). All this does is consolidate the passport to the DL.
Good grief it's an example, and it's not that far off. Let me change it then, What company could refuse you live saving healthcare because you haven't paid your cable bill?
pay your bills perhaps? GE apparantly doesn't need to have all these ID's in one to deny you one service because you defaulted on another.
They would with an ID card. That's my point
They would not know anymore about you then they do now. They would get your SS#, DL#, DOB, Address. They would cross-reference your credit record and possibly any criminal records. The only additional information they would have is your passport (which they can get already if you give them your passport for ID). So no they really wouldnt'.
BUT MY DL ISN'T CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO MY BANK! That's my whole point!
First nobody said your bank account had to be in your gov't ID. That might be an option, but not a requirement. Second yes your DL is directly connected to your bank. That or your passport. When you open up a bank account you must have a legal form of ID. Legal forms of ID are: Military ID, State ID/DL, Passport, and some other gov't ID's.
1. Security: Would you advocate a single username/password for all your computer accounts? So why advocate a single ID for your life? If my DL is stolen/lost, I don't need to cancel my CC. Could you imagine the disaster your life would be in if you couldn't travel/buy/rent a video/go to the bank without this card?
If I lose my d/l I probably lost my CC. Go to the bank, they have signature cards. Go to DMV and they have your picture on file
2. Democracy: This is being passed as part of an emergency military bill. Does it not merit its own debate and review? It seems that such a drastic change in everyday life should not take place without proper review.
I agree it merits its own debate and review - but that is out of s cope of my question - what is so bad about having a one national ID. Which all they are currently asking is pretty much your drivers license and passport rolled up into one. I would prefer this. I do not feel like carrying both.
3. Why?: How would this card benefit me? My wallet isn't that big, and I'd perfer if the airline wasn't able to access other areas of my life. Efficiency of government is not my concern, espescially when it goes against my self interests.
Convenience. You no longer have to carry a passport AND drivers license. Also, since the ID looks the same from state to state there is less chance of someone coming from Alabama, showing you their fake ID, but because you have never seen an Alabama ID and the ID looks pretty good you just got scammed
4. Abuse of Power: The federal gov't isn't the problem, it's the corporation that refuses to see me food until I pay their sister company's video rental late fees. It's the bank that won't give me a loan because people of my race have a higher default risk. It's the hacker that couldn't get into the fed Database, so instead asked a nice secretary at the rental car company for my information.
A lot of questions here. What corporation gives you food and requires you to pay the video company late fees? What bank does not give you a loan based on race? (highly illegal actually, and the underwriters do not know what your race is - especially since they rarely if ever come in contact with you). The secretary at the car rental agency could just as easily give your drivers license which has a whole lot of info.
So why do i need to carry an SS card, drivers license AND passport? DL's are not uniform which is a bad idea. Any of these cards could be stolen (via social engineering and physically).
So really not enough for me because everything you said could be applied to our current system and more.
Rights are inalienable, can't be granted or taken away by any government, and only people can have rights.
Oh really? Go to jail - watch your rights be taken away real quick.
And yes they are rights, though not necessarily given on gov't fiat. Since people have to vote for these decisions (see it works like this you pick your politician and hope they vote in a manner that is similar to why you voted for them. If they don't you don't vote for them again, and hopefully complain to them. Since it takes a bunch of people to pass a law it is not by just some 'gov't fiat'.)
As I have already said in a different discussion, this rider crap needs to stop now.
This i TOTALLY agree with. They do things like create laws that have about 100-200 pages worth of riders. Assuming a person doesn't miss subsection 3 of paragaph A151 of line 31 word 2, they then have to fight the political advertisements that say "so and so refused to support funds that go to make bullet proof vests for our soldiers."
Can't they just learn to keep things simple/stupid - i mean its not that hard.
Will someone please tell me, in a civilized manner, what is so bad about national IDs. Answers such as "the fed might abuse it" do not apply as the only response is "duh, so might the state or local gov't". Two points for the person who can give pro's.
Here is a pro that I can think of:br>
Easy to identify ID cards that are universal. No more guessing if this ID from a state you have never been to is legit or not.
If the law is passed in the Fed - your privacy commissioner can blow a whole lot of steam, but in the end - if he doesn't do what big daddy tells him to do - then big daddy will slap him with a bunch of federal fines, maybe even jail time for not obeying the federal law.
Are you that limited in brain capacity that you cannot expand your definition of what can gain rights? States have rights. Pennsylvania is granted specific rights which are carried out by its politicians. The Fed isn't saying "well Mr Pennsylvania Senator A you have these rights to carry out these tasks...but Mr Pennsylvania Senator B --- you unfortunately do not."
Oh I don't know. I think they could mandate using these ID cards, but still allow each state to determine their own, separate, rules for getting a license. Since your ID shows where you live, and you need to ahve your license issued to the address of where you live, this should be no problem.
;)
Yes I would like an all in one ID. As a person who has worked in banking, and as a bouncer at bars - it's god awful annoying to get an ID from another state - which I have never seen (they really update them too often) and have to hope it looks good enough.
br Oh, as for the drug comment - I don't do drugs and only started drinking about 10 years ago - but don't do it too often (too damn expensive)
Well I can understand the recovery. If I have important documents (like financial documents, family photos, etc) and they are not backed up - I may be willing to pay through the nose to keep them (especially if I can afford them).
I am not that proficient in Linux that I would feel comfortable moving on to it fully. Maybe if i played with it (on my desktop) for a while, but without a real need I just don't seem to have the motivation.
Besides, I do play a lot of games and like to be able to use those games without any problems. Or worry if my video card has the driver, etc. When Linux becomes a bit more mainstream then i will be able to justify doing it... Another issue, I need to be able to maintain Windows for compatability with work (i do a lot of work at home)
Norton probably has few problems on most computers except:
The disabling of Norton is a known issue. Many viruses target Norton first.
This affected one Dell Inspiron 9100, another Dell (i forget the model, but it was bought in October 2004, same as the Inspiron 9100), a Toshiba S901, and a AMD 2200 Desktop. My co-worker (a very bright systems engineer) also has seen Norton deteriorate over the years. I used to love Norton, used it for years. I would recommend it to everyone - and on occasion when it was disabeled I figured "oh some virus got me" or some such thing. But eventually it got to be too much. It was so bad that right after installation, after each boot-up i would get crazy errors due to Norton.
What do you mean you can't uninstall any of the Norton products? I have always been able to uninstall them.
Obviously there is the uninformed person, and they will probably remove Norton and then install something else - which is bad. It is not Nortons (or Windows) fault, however. They put something in place to protect the customer - the customer does not like it and wants to swap (its the customers own fault if something goes bad). Personally, whenever I get a computer - I reformat it, install all the stuff I want (i will d/l a fresh copy from the net). Then once my computer has my virus protection, anti-spyware, firewall, and browser/email client I will connect it to the net.
Norton has a good name, unfortunately the product they sell has deteriorated. I actually like McAfee ALMOST more...really I don't. My cousin did not register his McAfee in time and the computer got super-p0wn3d. (i had to end up reformatting). McAfee requires registration through I.E., which was p0wn3d by some nasty viruses/spyware. I even put in FireFox (i had it on disk) and that was instantly p0wn3d. The only way to get McAfee running was not working - kinda lame.
That's 80 GB of source code, and almost a million pages of correspondence, which IBM scanned and provided on CD
Would someone please direct me as to where I can buy a CD that holds 80 GB of source code and almost 1 million pages of correspondence?
I used to use Symantec - for many years...even before when it was Dr. Nortons. Now it just plain sucks. It kept crashing on my XP laptop. Crashed ony my parents laptop. That and even before then, Norton Antivirus would not always turn on when the computer powered up...and everything would turn it off. My cousin just got McAfee internet security - came with virus, spameware, adblock, and more.
Right now I use CA eTrust virus and MS AntiSpyware.
Please reference this legal dictionary. And I do not want some persons opinion or redefining - I want a neutral, authorative definition (i.e. Websters dictionary).
Because if its controlling marketshare you are speaking of then there are many companies who have a controlling market share who are not getting slapped with anti-trust suits. Though I would rate the OS market to more of an oligopoly then a monopoly, but due to the amount of different OS' this is even breaking down...not like there is a high barrier to entrance in this market. All you gotta do is create the software and start giving/selling it away.
Did the prototype cost 2 million or did they figure out if they sold say 10,000 each one would cost 2 million? For example, in car production - the prototype in and of itself usually has a high price tag (can be in the millions) for all the R&D. Break that cost out over tens of thousands of cars and you get a more reasonable price. Though I do not know how comfortable I would be for these to sell commercial grade...military use sure, commercial? hell no.
By definition they are a monopoly? Lets see what monopoly is: Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a commodity or service: "Monopoly frequently... arises from government support or from collusive agreements among individuals" (Milton Friedman).
Law. A right granted by a government giving exclusive control over a specified commercial activity to a single party.
A company or group having exclusive control over a commercial activity.
A commodity or service so controlled.
Is Windows the only OS available?: No
Is Internet Explorer the only browser availbe?: No
Is Windows Media player the only media utility around?: No
All the definitions of monopoly that I have heard in my schooling had one premise: ONE (as in "there can be only one"). MS fails this. Now maybe they attempted to be a monopoly, but they aren't.
Due to the fact they are a monopoly they are penalized in various ways
Due to the fact they were deemed to try and create a monopoly they were punished.
Though, personally I think they should have been forbidden to do business and all assets liquidated, including all people on its board. Allowing them to continue business at all was really the '2nd wrong'.
Well thank god for our world you weren't the judge behind the desk, since your penalty far outstrips the punishment. Maybe Bill should have been executed via the electric chair
Thats ok....buy a huge memory stick (so it costs a few bucks), then hack your PsP, and then get all the games/movies you want for free. Copy them to the stick and have fun.
Personally, having to buy my fav movies AGAIN so i can watch them on the PsP? Sony must be smoking crack.
Will Vinny and the boys be wearing penguin suits? Silver or black?
2 - Microsoft has been declared to be a monopoly. The rules are different. They should be treated differently then an honest small business, and held to different standards.
/.) that MS is no longer a monopoly?
Thats a COMPLETE load of crap. Two wrongs do not make a right. And what do you do if it is determined by a legal entity (not you or anyone here on
Oh and how can MS be a monopoly when I can go out buy a computer with Linux or MAC OS, or build my own computer without any OS. There are plenty of places that will sell you a computer without ANY OS.
doubt I will become incapable of determining the rare fictional articles from the real ones.
:( Actually I would rather have the hoverboard from Back to the Future...or better yet a holodeck from STrek-TNG
I have my credit card in hand and am still searching KB Toys for a working model. Dammit I want one
So they say it could be used for longer missions - but is it big enough. From the diagram it looks like the crew has a place to sit. For any missions, especially long term, the crew really needs a place to move around.
About a year ago, a pretzel bite hit the back of my head. I turned around (full theatre) and yelled back "if your bad ass enough to throw a pretzel bite at my head, maybe you wanna be bad ass enough to stand up and admit to it." Sadly, nobody stood up. Screaming kids should be removed as well as people who never grow up.