They're not making a faith statement, reread my post for a sec. They're shortening an idea thats FREAGIN DARN LONG to write as a whole in a post on the internet, because other "science people" understand that its just a short.
There definately ARE some people that will say there is no god as a faith statement, and that IS equaly as rediculous, I completly agree with that. But when a scientist says "There is no god", that is NOT what they mean. Again, keep in mind: "There is no god" is equaly as valid or invalid as "There is no flying spaghetti monster". It does NOT mean "its impossible for it to be a god". It means "there's no reason for me to think there is a god, therefore I don't waste my time with it". Just shorter.
Again, let me repeat to be clear since my last post obviously didn't make that obvious: When a scientist says there is no god, it does not mean what you seem to think it does. Don't take it so literally. Do you know the difference between thinking something, and beleiving something? Both have to do with uncertainties. But there's a huge difference between the two.
Of course there's no proof that knowledge makes us happier. "Ignorance is bliss". Chances are at this pace, things may eventually be "proven" that will totally ruin our image in ourselves and the world... For example, it may be only a matter of time before it is "proven" that we don't even think for ourselves, and actually don't make our own decisions...that hormones, biology, etc makes em for us... People are deathly afraid of things like that... Maybe its true, maybe its not, who knows, but if it IS true, the fact that there will be a mass refusal of it won't change that it is true.
Truth sucks. Some people can deal with that, some can't and imagine stuff to make themselves feel better. Thats all there is to it, little to do with faith.
Science can't prove that ANYTHING doesn't exist... I mean, science can't prove that giant pink whistling bears don't exist... so while you ARE indeed correct, it is -no more- a faith statement than saying "Giant pink whistling bears don't exist". The burden of proof lies on the side of people asserting something non-obvious is true/valid/exists/whatever, not the other way around, and it has little to do with it being about god or anything else.
People had to prove that the earth was round, because with my own two eyes, without knowing which signs to look for (even though in this day and age they are extremely obvious, but weren't always so), it looks flat. Therefore, its flat until someone proves its not. Someone proved it wasn't, therefore it isn't, until someone proves otherwise, and so on. No faith about it, its a methodology. Saying "there is no god!" is just short for "There is no solid evidence there is a god, thus by applying the commonly accepted scientific methodologies, we can say there is no god until proven otherwise". Thats just a bit long to say everytime, and people with scientific background, or who follows in standard science footstep just shortens, since they'll understand each other.
Then there are the morons who think they understand what science is but don't, and don't quite get that EVERYTHING in science is "theories until a better theory comes up", and use the words the wrong way. Can't help those.
I mean, now science says the earth is round. Sometime in the future we most likely will prove something similar to string theory (or some such), and realise that there were obvious signs around us that after all, earth isn't round, its in 1 dimention and our one dimentional human brain just interprete that 1 dimention as a sphere based on other inputs. Then scientists of the time will make jokes about "lol the earth is round rofl!". But we know that. Thats as opposed to people asserting something is true as if it was a fact, without evidence. There's a freagin big difference between "it doesn't exist until you prove it does", and "it exists until you prove it doesn't".
RDP (especially in 2008) is the best of both worlds. It is amazing speedy and responsive (better than X11, better than VNC, better than just about anything...), regardless of the app you use (give or take some direct stuff, but it even works with desktop compositing in Vista, so you get all the fancy effects, and its fast regardless), will happily work even with a 56k connection (albeit not at full settings, but still very responsive). You really don't need much bandwidth at all before you can't (or barely) tell apart if you're on the physical machine or not.
Now you can also have single apps remotely (as opposed to the entire desktop, which I realise was done before, but not in such a low bandwidth way), and the nature of the app is almost irrelevent on its bandwidth usage (thus best of both worlds). All around, its one of the very, very sweet things Windows has that I'd have issues living without. Its also stupidly easy to configure for pretty complex scenarios (the way single application sharing works in 2008 for example is pretty sweet).
people working to study and evaluate compliance to any kind of rules, regulation, laws, or what have you have existed for like ever, in all fields you can ever imagine... this isn't really anything new. (Heck, the company I work for has as their main product a tool used to analyse and generate report on just that...not with licensing, but still).
Same job with a different set of constraints, nothing new really.
RDP in 2008 is also getting quite a decent boost, both in security (though that was backported), and in usuability. You can now share specific applications instead of entire desktop.... the app seems like its on your desktop (like X can do, but with the nifty advantages of RDP), so that makes it even better:)
For a web server you fully control, on enterprise class web applications, remote desktop allows you to transfer files directly, or you can use a shared folder over VPN, and you probably will be using a Windows Installer to deploy the web app and upgrade cleanly (I'm not talking silly dinky little personal web sites here). There's also direct publishing to IIS virtual directories, which can be done over secured protocols too.
For more mainstream web server usages, there's a number of options, but if you want the good old sftp, there's tons of free ones out there that you can set on windows in seconds.
You know, people used to the Unix world often make fun of Windows admins being 1 trick ponies or some such, but they often don't seem to know how much there is outside their comfy bubble -either- it seems, reading various posts under this article.
Actually, it may be launched in 2007 even. SQL Server 2008 and Visual Studio 2008 are "officially" launched in 2008, but will be RTM (and will be able to be purchased through regular means) at the end of 2007, and it was hinted Server 2008 may do the same.
Boohoo. Its only for the version from countries where the game is far cheaper than anywhere else. So most people "from europe who moves to the US" would not be affected by this one bit. For the rest, they paid their game like 10$. Big freagin deal. I'm in planning stage to move from my own country right now, and trust me, the few bucks I may lose on region locking is peanuts compared to everything else.
Gamers with region locked game (which is only locked in select few regions) moving to country where game is not usuable, permanently. Thats like... 8 people? Cry me a river. Thinking about minorities is cute, but there's freagin limits.
(I'm talking about this particular situation, not for DVDs and stuff. For DVDs and such, just make sure to bring the darn player with you. Or get any freagin PC DVD player here and switch the region as soon as you get it)
Err? I can't say if XP and Vista's implementation is better or worse than System 7, which I've never used, but, unless i'm misunderstanding what you're saying... I most definately can move my desktops around, lay them out vertically or in a grid, or in a straight line, or in a L, a T, or whatever I bloody wish. Could you clarify please?
Good. Now if everyone would just read that post, the discussion could end. But stupid articles like that hurt companies bottom line without valid reasons. Its just fud. Funny, considering how much slashdotters bitch and moan about fud.
JET (Access' database engine) is more of a data storage engine with SQL support than an RDBMS
I'll admit I didnt know JET didn't have SQL support, since you can query it quite well with SQL through ODBC (which, if you're right, means the SQL support is at a higher level), so I stand corrected on that, but to your post's header, I was quite clear that I didn't think it was NOT a relational database, and was a data storage.
Access isn't "competing" in the same area as MySQL though, SQL Server Express is. MS Access would be more competing with SQLite i beleive (which I never used, so don't quote me, but I beleive that is a less server-centric open source DB?).
JET (Access' database engine) is more of a data storage engine with SQL support than an RDBMS, which MySQL is (which could have been debatable until v.5 I guess, hehehe )
In the end, anything that lowers the amount of kids in the street that have health and mental problems and/or are not wanted and/or are bored (thats a big one) and/or have crappy parents, will reduce crime significantly. So I'm guessing all these things are simply indirect.
Thats the whole point I was trying to make: as long as butter knives are used in significant proportion for good purposes, you can use that argument. Once the overwhelming majority of people carrying butterknives around do so with the intent of harming somebody, they'll get regulated and/or banned.
If the overwhelming majority of people using stuff like R4 and modchips used em for backups, no one would say anything, or would simply deal with the "crime", not the tool as you put it. Thats why you can buy CDs and DVD-Rs at Best Buys, but you can't buy R4s there, and thats why PC games have stupidly awkward copy protection bullsh*t (still better than not being able to buy CDs).
Yes, I understand where you're coming from, and I too will use backup tools to make backups (and absolutely nothing else), but when you see someone with an R4 in the bus, if you have to place bets on if the game they're playing is a backup or a so called illegal copy, I sure as hell would not bet on the former.
I definately do. For all 4 of you that will use these devices legitimately. The line between something legitimate and something thats not is in how people use it. If the vast majority uses it for something legitimate, then no law will be written against it, and it will stay legitimate. If the vast majority doesn't, well....
Thats why butterknives are mostly legal everywhere. If everyone started to use bufferknives as weapons, actions would be taken against em. Everything's legal (even murder!) until too many people start using it the wrong way.
Makes sense. Well, the price tag can be really of 2 things for the actual software. Either flat ZERO if you're talking to an open source guy/girl, or "whatever it is an MSDN Subscription costs" if you talk about an MS lover, plus a K or two in plugins and stuff for Visual Studio.
As for your services, anywhere between 15$ and 250$/hour, depending on how good you are:)
Oh wait, I just understood what you meant (super warm here and my brain's overheating I beleive). I don't SELL a hobby dev tool stack. Im the customer, not the supplier:)
Oh, I simply valuated it at "how much did I pay for the development tools I use whenever I play around with programming". Since one of the tools is Visual Studio Team for Software Dev, it raises the bar quite quick.
So if I understand well what you mean, your question is "what I find important in a hobby toolkit?".
Just ONE thing: how much fun I have with the tool. Thats it, thats all:) Even if its utherly useless. (I have bought quite a few completly useless tools, simply because they did cool stuff in short amounts of time. They were short on the enterprise level, but I could, let say, host a broken web site that did 1-2 cool things and show off).
I didn't read the article, but I did read the summary (wow me), and read other stuff about it before...and the way I understand it, its for corporate competitors. Even a tiny 3 people ISV can afford the 10k euros if they need it. The only ones who can't, are projects without budgets whatsoever (and even then, some can raise that kindda funds from donation).
Its not meant to help hobbyist open source projects. I mean come on, my -hobby- development tool stack is worth almost 10k. What I use everyday for work (in a company of 6 employes currently) is worth like 20k. 10k for those specs is peanuts. And if you assume they'll support them somewhat, and give you printed documentation or something, then its a steal: not for specs in general (since a lot of alternate specs are free), but because these are specs they didn't even want you to have, and will be worth it for anyone with an actual product that wants to enhance it.
Now, don't get me wrong, I feel specs should be free when possible, but in this case, the judgment is about antithrust, so its mostly about cold hard cash and money, and Microsoft's competitors that were wronged over the years. The 10k fee is probably to keep the specs in the hands of those that were wronged, and not the general public. Its symbolic more than anything... 20k or less is "free" for anyone who's supposed to have these specs.
I agree with you on society, but personaly, I've had pretty bad experience with luggages... At Pittsburgh's airport for exmaple, taking 45 minutes to an HOUR to get luggage isn't unheard of, and unless you're coming from Phily or something, your options for booking time are far and few in between... often I only had a single choice that fit in my schedule.
I wouldn't even mind waiting so much if it was easier to pick up my bag, but as it is now, you have to stay up and STARE at the freagin thing for an 45 minutes+. Very, very annoying.
Now I just don't check in luggage anymore, sometimes its longer to pick em up than to do the actual flight @.@
If I remember well (being Canadian too), its actually not "legal" in Canada to download and copy as much as you want, BUT there is ONE (I beleive just one) precedent of a judge letting someone off when they used as a defence that the levy paid for their piracy... so you most likely can get away with it, but its not written black on white that its "completly legal". its just a gray area that plays heavily in our favor.
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They're not making a faith statement, reread my post for a sec. They're shortening an idea thats FREAGIN DARN LONG to write as a whole in a post on the internet, because other "science people" understand that its just a short.
There definately ARE some people that will say there is no god as a faith statement, and that IS equaly as rediculous, I completly agree with that. But when a scientist says "There is no god", that is NOT what they mean. Again, keep in mind: "There is no god" is equaly as valid or invalid as "There is no flying spaghetti monster". It does NOT mean "its impossible for it to be a god". It means "there's no reason for me to think there is a god, therefore I don't waste my time with it". Just shorter.
Again, let me repeat to be clear since my last post obviously didn't make that obvious: When a scientist says there is no god, it does not mean what you seem to think it does. Don't take it so literally. Do you know the difference between thinking something, and beleiving something? Both have to do with uncertainties. But there's a huge difference between the two.
Of course there's no proof that knowledge makes us happier. "Ignorance is bliss". Chances are at this pace, things may eventually be "proven" that will totally ruin our image in ourselves and the world... For example, it may be only a matter of time before it is "proven" that we don't even think for ourselves, and actually don't make our own decisions...that hormones, biology, etc makes em for us... People are deathly afraid of things like that... Maybe its true, maybe its not, who knows, but if it IS true, the fact that there will be a mass refusal of it won't change that it is true.
Truth sucks. Some people can deal with that, some can't and imagine stuff to make themselves feel better. Thats all there is to it, little to do with faith.
Science can't prove that ANYTHING doesn't exist... I mean, science can't prove that giant pink whistling bears don't exist... so while you ARE indeed correct, it is -no more- a faith statement than saying "Giant pink whistling bears don't exist". The burden of proof lies on the side of people asserting something non-obvious is true/valid/exists/whatever, not the other way around, and it has little to do with it being about god or anything else.
People had to prove that the earth was round, because with my own two eyes, without knowing which signs to look for (even though in this day and age they are extremely obvious, but weren't always so), it looks flat. Therefore, its flat until someone proves its not. Someone proved it wasn't, therefore it isn't, until someone proves otherwise, and so on. No faith about it, its a methodology. Saying "there is no god!" is just short for "There is no solid evidence there is a god, thus by applying the commonly accepted scientific methodologies, we can say there is no god until proven otherwise". Thats just a bit long to say everytime, and people with scientific background, or who follows in standard science footstep just shortens, since they'll understand each other.
Then there are the morons who think they understand what science is but don't, and don't quite get that EVERYTHING in science is "theories until a better theory comes up", and use the words the wrong way. Can't help those.
I mean, now science says the earth is round. Sometime in the future we most likely will prove something similar to string theory (or some such), and realise that there were obvious signs around us that after all, earth isn't round, its in 1 dimention and our one dimentional human brain just interprete that 1 dimention as a sphere based on other inputs. Then scientists of the time will make jokes about "lol the earth is round rofl!". But we know that. Thats as opposed to people asserting something is true as if it was a fact, without evidence. There's a freagin big difference between "it doesn't exist until you prove it does", and "it exists until you prove it doesn't".
RDP (especially in 2008) is the best of both worlds. It is amazing speedy and responsive (better than X11, better than VNC, better than just about anything...), regardless of the app you use (give or take some direct stuff, but it even works with desktop compositing in Vista, so you get all the fancy effects, and its fast regardless), will happily work even with a 56k connection (albeit not at full settings, but still very responsive). You really don't need much bandwidth at all before you can't (or barely) tell apart if you're on the physical machine or not.
Now you can also have single apps remotely (as opposed to the entire desktop, which I realise was done before, but not in such a low bandwidth way), and the nature of the app is almost irrelevent on its bandwidth usage (thus best of both worlds). All around, its one of the very, very sweet things Windows has that I'd have issues living without. Its also stupidly easy to configure for pretty complex scenarios (the way single application sharing works in 2008 for example is pretty sweet).
people working to study and evaluate compliance to any kind of rules, regulation, laws, or what have you have existed for like ever, in all fields you can ever imagine... this isn't really anything new. (Heck, the company I work for has as their main product a tool used to analyse and generate report on just that...not with licensing, but still).
Same job with a different set of constraints, nothing new really.
RDP in 2008 is also getting quite a decent boost, both in security (though that was backported), and in usuability. You can now share specific applications instead of entire desktop.... the app seems like its on your desktop (like X can do, but with the nifty advantages of RDP), so that makes it even better :)
For a web server you fully control, on enterprise class web applications, remote desktop allows you to transfer files directly, or you can use a shared folder over VPN, and you probably will be using a Windows Installer to deploy the web app and upgrade cleanly (I'm not talking silly dinky little personal web sites here). There's also direct publishing to IIS virtual directories, which can be done over secured protocols too.
For more mainstream web server usages, there's a number of options, but if you want the good old sftp, there's tons of free ones out there that you can set on windows in seconds.
You know, people used to the Unix world often make fun of Windows admins being 1 trick ponies or some such, but they often don't seem to know how much there is outside their comfy bubble -either- it seems, reading various posts under this article.
Actually, it may be launched in 2007 even. SQL Server 2008 and Visual Studio 2008 are "officially" launched in 2008, but will be RTM (and will be able to be purchased through regular means) at the end of 2007, and it was hinted Server 2008 may do the same.
Boohoo. Its only for the version from countries where the game is far cheaper than anywhere else. So most people "from europe who moves to the US" would not be affected by this one bit. For the rest, they paid their game like 10$. Big freagin deal. I'm in planning stage to move from my own country right now, and trust me, the few bucks I may lose on region locking is peanuts compared to everything else.
Gamers with region locked game (which is only locked in select few regions) moving to country where game is not usuable, permanently. Thats like... 8 people? Cry me a river. Thinking about minorities is cute, but there's freagin limits.
(I'm talking about this particular situation, not for DVDs and stuff. For DVDs and such, just make sure to bring the darn player with you. Or get any freagin PC DVD player here and switch the region as soon as you get it)
Err? I can't say if XP and Vista's implementation is better or worse than System 7, which I've never used, but, unless i'm misunderstanding what you're saying... I most definately can move my desktops around, lay them out vertically or in a grid, or in a straight line, or in a L, a T, or whatever I bloody wish. Could you clarify please?
Good. Now if everyone would just read that post, the discussion could end. But stupid articles like that hurt companies bottom line without valid reasons. Its just fud. Funny, considering how much slashdotters bitch and moan about fud.
Correct. Thank you for finding much better examples :) Don't know why I didn't think of those.
It is, but usually when people are comparing Access to other stuff, they refer to JET, not the MS Access application itself.
Access isn't "competing" in the same area as MySQL though, SQL Server Express is. MS Access would be more competing with SQLite i beleive (which I never used, so don't quote me, but I beleive that is a less server-centric open source DB?).
JET (Access' database engine) is more of a data storage engine with SQL support than an RDBMS, which MySQL is (which could have been debatable until v.5 I guess, hehehe )
In the end, anything that lowers the amount of kids in the street that have health and mental problems and/or are not wanted and/or are bored (thats a big one) and/or have crappy parents, will reduce crime significantly. So I'm guessing all these things are simply indirect.
Thats the whole point I was trying to make: as long as butter knives are used in significant proportion for good purposes, you can use that argument. Once the overwhelming majority of people carrying butterknives around do so with the intent of harming somebody, they'll get regulated and/or banned.
If the overwhelming majority of people using stuff like R4 and modchips used em for backups, no one would say anything, or would simply deal with the "crime", not the tool as you put it. Thats why you can buy CDs and DVD-Rs at Best Buys, but you can't buy R4s there, and thats why PC games have stupidly awkward copy protection bullsh*t (still better than not being able to buy CDs).
Yes, I understand where you're coming from, and I too will use backup tools to make backups (and absolutely nothing else), but when you see someone with an R4 in the bus, if you have to place bets on if the game they're playing is a backup or a so called illegal copy, I sure as hell would not bet on the former.
I definately do. For all 4 of you that will use these devices legitimately. The line between something legitimate and something thats not is in how people use it. If the vast majority uses it for something legitimate, then no law will be written against it, and it will stay legitimate. If the vast majority doesn't, well....
Thats why butterknives are mostly legal everywhere. If everyone started to use bufferknives as weapons, actions would be taken against em. Everything's legal (even murder!) until too many people start using it the wrong way.
Makes sense. Well, the price tag can be really of 2 things for the actual software. Either flat ZERO if you're talking to an open source guy/girl, or "whatever it is an MSDN Subscription costs" if you talk about an MS lover, plus a K or two in plugins and stuff for Visual Studio.
:)
As for your services, anywhere between 15$ and 250$/hour, depending on how good you are
Oh wait, I just understood what you meant (super warm here and my brain's overheating I beleive). I don't SELL a hobby dev tool stack. Im the customer, not the supplier :)
Oh, I simply valuated it at "how much did I pay for the development tools I use whenever I play around with programming". Since one of the tools is Visual Studio Team for Software Dev, it raises the bar quite quick.
:) Even if its utherly useless. (I have bought quite a few completly useless tools, simply because they did cool stuff in short amounts of time. They were short on the enterprise level, but I could, let say, host a broken web site that did 1-2 cool things and show off).
So if I understand well what you mean, your question is "what I find important in a hobby toolkit?".
Just ONE thing: how much fun I have with the tool. Thats it, thats all
I didn't read the article, but I did read the summary (wow me), and read other stuff about it before...and the way I understand it, its for corporate competitors. Even a tiny 3 people ISV can afford the 10k euros if they need it. The only ones who can't, are projects without budgets whatsoever (and even then, some can raise that kindda funds from donation).
Its not meant to help hobbyist open source projects. I mean come on, my -hobby- development tool stack is worth almost 10k. What I use everyday for work (in a company of 6 employes currently) is worth like 20k. 10k for those specs is peanuts. And if you assume they'll support them somewhat, and give you printed documentation or something, then its a steal: not for specs in general (since a lot of alternate specs are free), but because these are specs they didn't even want you to have, and will be worth it for anyone with an actual product that wants to enhance it.
Now, don't get me wrong, I feel specs should be free when possible, but in this case, the judgment is about antithrust, so its mostly about cold hard cash and money, and Microsoft's competitors that were wronged over the years. The 10k fee is probably to keep the specs in the hands of those that were wronged, and not the general public. Its symbolic more than anything... 20k or less is "free" for anyone who's supposed to have these specs.
My understanding is that these specs will be for their competitors such as IBM, Sun, etc. Open source is most likely out of luck here.
I agree with you on society, but personaly, I've had pretty bad experience with luggages... At Pittsburgh's airport for exmaple, taking 45 minutes to an HOUR to get luggage isn't unheard of, and unless you're coming from Phily or something, your options for booking time are far and few in between... often I only had a single choice that fit in my schedule.
I wouldn't even mind waiting so much if it was easier to pick up my bag, but as it is now, you have to stay up and STARE at the freagin thing for an 45 minutes+. Very, very annoying.
Now I just don't check in luggage anymore, sometimes its longer to pick em up than to do the actual flight @.@
If I remember well (being Canadian too), its actually not "legal" in Canada to download and copy as much as you want, BUT there is ONE (I beleive just one) precedent of a judge letting someone off when they used as a defence that the levy paid for their piracy... so you most likely can get away with it, but its not written black on white that its "completly legal". its just a gray area that plays heavily in our favor.