What's the big deal? I sold my RS/6000 box on eBay last month, but before I did, I did a 'what the heck' and installed the NT 4.0 PPC version on it. It is one of the PREP RS/6000 boxes from IBM, and it installed NT 4.0 just fine. From an OEM NT4 CD from Compaq, no less.
It sucked, actually. There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING available on the net to run on NT4/PPC. I was stuck with the IE 2 that shipped with NT4 and nothing more. There are a few faint traces of NT4/PPC apps on the Microsoft FTP site, and a few Service Packs.
But I can say that I am probably one of the few people to ever run NT4 on PPC. I quickly wiped it and reinstalled AIX, of course.
What you're saying is true. So where's the Product Spec for Linux? Where's the Design Document? Did qualified experts sign off on it? Is there modularity? Where do I download the test cases? Can I independently run the test cases?
When the programmers submit their code, who sits in on the code review? Do the VT (verification test) people work closely with the coders? And where do I download the design review document for each new kernel release?
Where is this doccumented review process? Are the 'peers' qualified? Be honest. The quality is very, very uneven in much open source code.
I know that there's a magickal 'peer review' process where ad-hoc review goes on. And code that is critical to some entity gets the review that entity deems necessary. Who's accountable? Names and phone numbers are what most businesses expect. Not a handle in an IRC channel. Not Usenet posts.
I have a nice SE/30 machine. However, because Apple is a closed company, it cannot directly boot NetBSD. I have to have a little stub of a MacOS partition on it with a MacOS 'booter' application to load NetBSD. Further, the 'real time clock' in that era of Macintosh has some 'quirks' in it that mean there is constant clock drift when running NetBSD on the hardware.
So where's the source, Apple? Why don't you open the source to older versions of MacOS? For that point, why can't we freely download versions of MacOS newer than 7.5??
Well, it's verified and supervised if it's from a commercial entity.
Is there some new bulletpoint in the 'Open Source Defintion' that I wasn't made available that means it has to come from a professional vendor with verification and supervision? Before it earns the 'Open Source Mark' or somesuch?
People here are being very elastic in their terminology.
That's part of the goodness of Open Source...it's eminently auditable by everyone.
However, the diversity, the forkedness of OS software means there are thousands of variations that would all need auditing.
You're not going to get everybody to audit each version. You're not going to be able to register and secure each place along the chain from source to your company's thousand desktops that the software touches base.
Without a trusted source, and tracability, it's all over. And for the most part, a pressed closed-source CD from a commercial outfit has a lot more of the 'opening' for corruption closed than a source repository on the public internet and/or a binary update website at Red Hat.
In a paranoiac's world, a 'trusted source' is necessary for any software distribution method, open or closed souce in origin.
Yes. Then all they'd have to do is face the penalties for having a copy of the Windows source code, and they could make a case for it being copied from GPL licenced code.
Otherwise, I can't see how they would testify in court. I mean, they would have to prove they had illegal access to the code for their assertion to mean anything.
I've installed Darwin on both Beige G3 boxes and on an Intel box or two. The X system works fine. But I miss the large ports collection that exists for NetBSD.
I am not really interested in purchasing a copy of Mac OSX, nor investing in the kind of hardware needed to run it.
Will there be good support in DarwinPorts for machines not running OSX? It would be a great thing if there was something similar to Zoularis (the cross-platform effort to get the NetBSD packages collection running on Solaris and other non-NetBSD systems)? I'd like to think if Darwin is real and not just an Open Source veneer, that DarwinPorts will include OpenDarwin system support, at least to a degree.
"Privatizing" would toss out the Unions which grow like a moss on any slow moving thing (any government controlled entity.) It would also toss out a lot of moribund bureaucrats. And it would get rid of that layer of 'government procurement' that adds tremendous cost to any undertaking.
Horrors! It would end the 'leverage' bullshit that politicans always add to any government spending.
I've always wondered about people who pay top dollar for branded merchandise. "You want me to wear a sweatshirt with Coca-Cola printed all over it? You're paying me a royalty to do so, I hope...."
We got a set of Coca-Cola branded mixing bowls for our wedding. I keep a whetstone near the kitchen sink for keeping knives sharp and ready, and I'll admit I've used it to take a swipe at the baked-on glaze Coca-Cola emblems on some of those bowls. They're sorta 'Blurry-Cola' bowls now...
We have a big black dog and she wears a Harley Davidson Dog Collar. I always used to say to people 'that Harley-Davidson, they make one HELL of a good dog collar.'
But then we made the mistake of getting a Harley-Davidson cat collar for the new kitten. (all black, too!) She had a flea problem for awhile, and ripped the pattern right out of that collar scratching.
So now I would have to say 'Harley-Davidson makes totally shit cat collars, though their dog collars are pretty good.'
So, where's the Harley-Davidson laptop? Nobody can tell me it wouldn't sell...
Yggdrasil 'Plug and Play Linux', the first version that came out in Fall 1992, was a bootable CD-ROM (actually, you needed to use a boot floppy which then loaded up Linux on the CD). It played a short clip of music through my Sound Blaster Pro speakers at the login prompt. It was impressive, considering what a feat it was back in those days to get any sound card working with Linux.
Yes, but folks like him can and do define themselves by their denial. He can claim to be one of the 'elite' who are holding back the tide. It gives him the distinct feeling that he's part of a subculture, without having to actually hack code or anything.
Well, maybe the broken-down Apple after they were not able to maintain a monopoly on the GUI (which they tried to do: research the look-n-feel lawsuit). The rich arrogant Apple of the past has somewhat been humbled.
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It's the cheap and powerful IBM clone.
There were plenty of 'easier to use' alternatives out there. They were either much more expensive (Macintosh) or limited-use cheap consumer devices.
It's fine to be nostalgic and enthusiastic about all those cheap 'whole machine in the keyboard' home computers of the olden days, but it's wrong to be biased about their practicality.
Note that these are some of the machines being referred to. I am not selling any of this particular gear, just putting it out as reference to possibly interested others. Watch for Model 100 gear on eBay, it's fairly common as it is/was a popular machine. These aren't the lowest priced listings I've seen. It's damned bombproof hardware, and in some people's opinion, the first laptop PC.
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I'll second what the grandparent said, and do it logged in.
When you've gotten past those angst-ridden years of youth you'll 'get it' and be embarassed at the loud ill-informed zeal of your youth.
No, it's not becoming 'cynical.' It's developing maturity and finally figuring things out.
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What's the big deal? I sold my RS/6000 box on eBay last month, but before I did, I did a 'what the heck' and installed the NT 4.0 PPC version on it. It is one of the PREP RS/6000 boxes from IBM, and it installed NT 4.0 just fine. From an OEM NT4 CD from Compaq, no less.
It sucked, actually. There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING available on the net to run on NT4/PPC. I was stuck with the IE 2 that shipped with NT4 and nothing more. There are a few faint traces of NT4/PPC apps on the Microsoft FTP site, and a few Service Packs.
But I can say that I am probably one of the few people to ever run NT4 on PPC. I quickly wiped it and reinstalled AIX, of course.
I think you meant to say 'If Robert Malda was requested to assist....'
What you're saying is true. So where's the Product Spec for Linux? Where's the Design Document? Did qualified experts sign off on it? Is there modularity? Where do I download the test cases? Can I independently run the test cases?
When the programmers submit their code, who sits in on the code review? Do the VT (verification test) people work closely with the coders? And where do I download the design review document for each new kernel release?
Where is this doccumented review process? Are the 'peers' qualified? Be honest. The quality is very, very uneven in much open source code.
I know that there's a magickal 'peer review' process where ad-hoc review goes on. And code that is critical to some entity gets the review that entity deems necessary. Who's accountable? Names and phone numbers are what most businesses expect. Not a handle in an IRC channel. Not Usenet posts.
And if you release a penguin into the sandy arid terrain where a hamster thrives, it will perish.
What's your point?
I have a nice SE/30 machine. However, because Apple is a closed company, it cannot directly boot NetBSD. I have to have a little stub of a MacOS partition on it with a MacOS 'booter' application to load NetBSD. Further, the 'real time clock' in that era of Macintosh has some 'quirks' in it that mean there is constant clock drift when running NetBSD on the hardware.
So where's the source, Apple? Why don't you open the source to older versions of MacOS? For that point, why can't we freely download versions of MacOS newer than 7.5??
Problem is, almost any time OSS is discussed here on this site, people bring up the merits of the 'ideal' and seldom the practical.
The knife cuts both ways. And while OSS has many merits, many of it's advocates never think beyond their ideals.
Just something to think about.
Well, it's verified and supervised if it's from a commercial entity.
Is there some new bulletpoint in the 'Open Source Defintion' that I wasn't made available that means it has to come from a professional vendor with verification and supervision? Before it earns the 'Open Source Mark' or somesuch?
People here are being very elastic in their terminology.
Also, some tools put date fields in binaries. We had this problem a few times with .COFF files at a place I worked a few years back.
That's part of the goodness of Open Source...it's eminently auditable by everyone.
However, the diversity, the forkedness of OS software means there are thousands of variations that would all need auditing.
You're not going to get everybody to audit each version. You're not going to be able to register and secure each place along the chain from source to your company's thousand desktops that the software touches base.
Without a trusted source, and tracability, it's all over. And for the most part, a pressed closed-source CD from a commercial outfit has a lot more of the 'opening' for corruption closed than a source repository on the public internet and/or a binary update website at Red Hat.
In a paranoiac's world, a 'trusted source' is necessary for any software distribution method, open or closed souce in origin.
He wasn't using the term LOC in an absolute quantitative sense. Why get all pedantic on him over a nit?
Yes. Then all they'd have to do is face the penalties for having a copy of the Windows source code, and they could make a case for it being copied from GPL licenced code.
Otherwise, I can't see how they would testify in court. I mean, they would have to prove they had illegal access to the code for their assertion to mean anything.
I bet 'TiVo' picks up and records lots of other crap that you watch that isn't anywhere near as good as the Post-1997 episodes you are boycotting.
But at least you get to feel ideologically pure for all your zeal. That matters for something, in the long run. I guess.
I thought it was agreed that Slashdot was a gathering point for CBG types.
Don't get all Nelson on us about it.
I've installed Darwin on both Beige G3 boxes and on an Intel box or two. The X system works fine. But I miss the large ports collection that exists for NetBSD.
I am not really interested in purchasing a copy of Mac OSX, nor investing in the kind of hardware needed to run it.
Will there be good support in DarwinPorts for machines not running OSX? It would be a great thing if there was something similar to Zoularis (the cross-platform effort to get the NetBSD packages collection running on Solaris and other non-NetBSD systems)? I'd like to think if Darwin is real and not just an Open Source veneer, that DarwinPorts will include OpenDarwin system support, at least to a degree.
"Privatizing" would toss out the Unions which grow like a moss on any slow moving thing (any government controlled entity.) It would also toss out a lot of moribund bureaucrats. And it would get rid of that layer of 'government procurement' that adds tremendous cost to any undertaking.
Horrors! It would end the 'leverage' bullshit that politicans always add to any government spending.
My laptop is a 486-75 Toshiba. But it has an active matrix display, so I'm pretty happy with it.
I've always wondered about people who pay top dollar for branded merchandise. "You want me to wear a sweatshirt with Coca-Cola printed all over it? You're paying me a royalty to do so, I hope...."
We got a set of Coca-Cola branded mixing bowls for our wedding. I keep a whetstone near the kitchen sink for keeping knives sharp and ready, and I'll admit I've used it to take a swipe at the baked-on glaze Coca-Cola emblems on some of those bowls. They're sorta 'Blurry-Cola' bowls now...
Hey, branded merchandise is cool, n' stuff.
We have a big black dog and she wears a Harley Davidson Dog Collar. I always used to say to people 'that Harley-Davidson, they make one HELL of a good dog collar.'
But then we made the mistake of getting a Harley-Davidson cat collar for the new kitten. (all black, too!) She had a flea problem for awhile, and ripped the pattern right out of that collar scratching.
So now I would have to say 'Harley-Davidson makes totally shit cat collars, though their dog collars are pretty good.'
So, where's the Harley-Davidson laptop? Nobody can tell me it wouldn't sell...
Yggdrasil 'Plug and Play Linux', the first version that came out in Fall 1992, was a bootable CD-ROM (actually, you needed to use a boot floppy which then loaded up Linux on the CD). It played a short clip of music through my Sound Blaster Pro speakers at the login prompt. It was impressive, considering what a feat it was back in those days to get any sound card working with Linux.
Yes, but folks like him can and do define themselves by their denial. He can claim to be one of the 'elite' who are holding back the tide. It gives him the distinct feeling that he's part of a subculture, without having to actually hack code or anything.
Well, maybe the broken-down Apple after they were not able to maintain a monopoly on the GUI (which they tried to do: research the look-n-feel lawsuit). The rich arrogant Apple of the past has somewhat been humbled.
It's the cheap and powerful IBM clone.
There were plenty of 'easier to use' alternatives out there. They were either much more expensive (Macintosh) or limited-use cheap consumer devices.
It's fine to be nostalgic and enthusiastic about all those cheap 'whole machine in the keyboard' home computers of the olden days, but it's wrong to be biased about their practicality.
Note that these are some of the machines being referred to. I am not selling any of this particular gear, just putting it out as reference to possibly interested others. Watch for Model 100 gear on eBay, it's fairly common as it is/was a popular machine. These aren't the lowest priced listings I've seen. It's damned bombproof hardware, and in some people's opinion, the first laptop PC.
I'll second what the grandparent said, and do it logged in.
When you've gotten past those angst-ridden years of youth you'll 'get it' and be embarassed at the loud ill-informed zeal of your youth.
No, it's not becoming 'cynical.' It's developing maturity and finally figuring things out.