And yet no multi-line strings? Slightly off-topic but I don't think ALL syntax differences can be boiled down to personal preference, there are some, or many cases of different languages supporting radically different program flow or features, but for languages in the same category I think there are objectively superior choices, even if someone complains out of sternness.
Bullshit, the standard Japanese user would want something smaller, or a camera and TV tuner at *least*, either you are completely making shit up or you limit your circle of friends to Apple zealots only.
I'm sorry but this smells like a shameless plug for Microsoft's dot net.
Dot net is not the solution, because the libraries are still incompatible and dot net doesn't support all platforms, not even most.
Using dot net you can combine code written in many languages but all this code will depend even if only partially on features only present in Windows, in MS flavor of dot net.
Take IronPython for instance, IronPython code doesn't run in Python nor Python code can run in the CLR unless you only use the subset of the standard library that has been ported to the CLR.
Off the top of my head:
Current path displayed in prompt
Navigate with cd, ls, pushd and company
Lines that look like a shell lines are interpreted as shell lines
You can force shell execution with "!" and even store its return value into variables, some commands even have special output when used this way for instance >>> foo = !ls
Makes foo a list of strings with the current dir files.
You can pass python vars as strings to shell commands using $ syntax
for instance you can use urllib and BeautifulSoup to load and parse a web page, once you have the appropiate links in a variable named "urls" you can do >>> for url in urls:
!wget $url
Didn't you read? Trust is not transitory, I can invite all the mafiaa friends I want and you would still be safe, only I am screwed. They have no real way to track your download; the most they can do is harass my immediate friends but they have no idea what they downloaded, or to whom they sent it.
You can make an alias or a (cue drum roll) shell script with that last command. The nice thing about pysh is that it has prevented me from learning to do anything complex in bash. I'm a slacker.
I don't mean Capitalism is always bad, few simplistic stances are defendable and I lean more towards Socialistic Capitalism than any Communist doctrine anyway.
But most hardcore republicans forget what we mean Capitalism exploits the mases and attribute our high standards of living to Capitalism alone, when in fact they are sustained by misery elsewhere. You nay sayers have two options:
1. You deny the misery of Chinese workers is due Capitalism because they are not working under Capitalism but some other system, perhaps even Communism! which is an amusing claim because they *are being paid* for working with means of production not theirs to produce a product not theirs, which is exactly the very definition of Capitalism.
If you do this you acknowledge that your luxuries proceed from Communism or whatever you claim China uses.
2. You accept that they are salaried employers under Capitalism, and acknowledge that most Capitalists are miserable.
We can, of course ignore this problem as not or business. But acting smug an then pretending we are never wrong... is just sick.
On a related note, isn't a web browser a vital part of an OS since the creation of the web? Because I can use a web browser to download netscape/winamp/metapad/etc, without a browser I can't download anything, the argument can be made that the web made browsers critical OS components.
But what I don't like is this spacial casing for Netscape, didn't explorer ate Total Comander? Windows Media Player eat Winamp? Didn't XP Visual Styles eat Windows Blinds?
But as another user commented, doesn't that also apply to the windows calculator? MS Paint? Notepad? Minefield? Explorer (the file manager)? All the screen savers? Or, more interestingly, the media player or the instant messenger?
Saying that those are OK because Netscape doesn't make calculators is not fair, is very probable that a profitable that a thriving market of basic calculators were squashed by MS calc.
Now I believe OS X ships with Safari and Ubuntu does with Firefox, I suppose the reason MS can't ship IE is because they are officially a monopoly (I hope the reason is not, "because it hurt Netscape", that's lame) if so, doesn't it make more sense to force MS to cooperate with the WINE and the Reactor OS projects to create an Open Source version of Windows for once?
I don't like how this issue is framed as something done in remediation to one company -Netscape- about one product -Navigator- against one product -IE- against one OS -Windows-
Now the OS part I can accept because of the monopoly thing but not the rest. But raises my concerns that MS will try to use this ruling to force Firefox out of Ubuntu (that is, if Mozilla doesn't get to that first ÂÂ)
Of course if OEMs are forced to offer another OS, MS won't be able to extort them anymore, that's why I said "force", not "allow", I'm not ignoring that part.
Honestly I can't agree with this. Microsoft has the right to ship whatever browser they want in their OS, if the EU or the UN or whatever told Canonical to ship IE with Ubuntu I'll be really pissed off.
Yes the IE monoculture is harmful (surprisingly, due more to it being IE than being a monoculture) but the real problem is the Windows monoculture, instead of fighting to install firefox in Windows the goal should be to force OEMs to offer more OS choices.
Of course we can't blame OEMs for not offering Linux because desktop Linux is a very young platform (the first Ubuntu LTS is not even 3 years old).
If anything we should sue MS for the OOXML fiasco.
Come on! It's not about Linux, it's about the free desktop. It doesn't really matter if it is Linux or BSD or HURD, it doesn't matter if it is Gnome or KDE or a mix, what we need is to have an standard Free Desktop for desktop developers to target.
Consider the success of Windows, by far the most successful OS, why? because of the desktop. Linux can already hand its ass to Windows in the server and the embedded market, small devices and big devices, they are all covered.
Where the lack of penetration really hurts our (my?) daily life is in the desktop, every time I have to install a windows software, every time flash behaves weird, every time I visit an IE only site, every time one of my relatives system gets infected with viruses, I wish for a wide spread free desktop.
My full support is with Ubuntu, they have the right goals and the capacity to reach them. They say "stop trying to turn Linux into Windows" but we (I) *NEED* a Windows replacement dammit!!
Funny thing Mac users obsess so much about this ability to have document less editors because if an editor isn't editing anything I don't want it wasting resources idle, if I was forced to use a Mac the first thing I'd do would be finding a setting or hack that would auto-closes idle editors.
The second thing I'll probably do is find a taskbar(window list) clone, windows has dock clones so I guess there must be taskbar clones for the mac, the combination of tray/launcher works great for stuff like bittorrent clients but is generally not worth it. Finally I'll look for an application that can let me set a global keyboard shortcut that would allow me to switch between documents regardless of the application they belong because honestly, who gives a shit about that? The way the mac is described to me seems to imply that if I have, say, two safari windows and a word editor open, switching between the safari windows is done differently than switching between the word editor and one of the safari windows.
If that is the case then no thanks, I'll stay with Gnome.
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And yet no multi-line strings? Slightly off-topic but I don't think ALL syntax differences can be boiled down to personal preference, there are some, or many cases of different languages supporting radically different program flow or features, but for languages in the same category I think there are objectively superior choices, even if someone complains out of sternness.
Bullshit, the standard Japanese user would want something smaller, or a camera and TV tuner at *least*, either you are completely making shit up or you limit your circle of friends to Apple zealots only.
I'm sorry but this smells like a shameless plug for Microsoft's dot net.
Dot net is not the solution, because the libraries are still incompatible and dot net doesn't support all platforms, not even most.
Using dot net you can combine code written in many languages but all this code will depend even if only partially on features only present in Windows, in MS flavor of dot net.
Take IronPython for instance, IronPython code doesn't run in Python nor Python code can run in the CLR unless you only use the subset of the standard library that has been ported to the CLR.
Is this DieForOurShip?
Girls don't listen to this, just be yourselves dammit!
Off the top of my head:
Current path displayed in prompt
Navigate with cd, ls, pushd and company
Lines that look like a shell lines are interpreted as shell lines
You can force shell execution with "!" and even store its return value into variables, some commands even have special output when used this way for instance
>>> foo = !ls
Makes foo a list of strings with the current dir files.
You can pass python vars as strings to shell commands using $ syntax
for instance you can use urllib and BeautifulSoup to load and parse a web page, once you have the appropiate links in a variable named "urls" you can do
>>> for url in urls:
!wget $url
Is that enough?
Didn't you read? Trust is not transitory, I can invite all the mafiaa friends I want and you would still be safe, only I am screwed. They have no real way to track your download; the most they can do is harass my immediate friends but they have no idea what they downloaded, or to whom they sent it.
$ sudo apt-get install ipython
$ ipython -p pysh
You can make an alias or a (cue drum roll) shell script with that last command. The nice thing about pysh is that it has prevented me from learning to do anything complex in bash. I'm a slacker.
What? Horse shoe makers attaked Ford for inventing the car? Motherfuckers I'm glad they're dead now.
Incoming news, health clinics sue vaccine makers for harming their business model.
<Valve> Stop pirating biatches!
<Gamers> Too expensive bro!
<Valve> Nay! You want it free motherfucking sons of your motherfucking planes!
<Gamers> I'm telling U...
<Valve> You know what? Eat shit!
* Valve drop prices 50% nigga
<Gamers> Gladly
* Gamers 3000% sales increase
<slashdot> pwnd
<Valve> wtf!
<Valve> i maen
<Valve> WOOT!
<Gamers> facepalm.jpg
No kidding? I guess *fucking NASA* thanks the benefit your doubt.
I can't decide if that makes you a grammar or math asswhole.
Standard Model.
You are doing it wrong
or right
Count me along the "go ahead, shoot" crowd.
I don't mean Capitalism is always bad, few simplistic stances are defendable and I lean more towards Socialistic Capitalism than any Communist doctrine anyway.
But most hardcore republicans forget what we mean Capitalism exploits the mases and attribute our high standards of living to Capitalism alone, when in fact they are sustained by misery elsewhere. You nay sayers have two options:
1. You deny the misery of Chinese workers is due Capitalism because they are not working under Capitalism but some other system, perhaps even Communism! which is an amusing claim because they *are being paid* for working with means of production not theirs to produce a product not theirs, which is exactly the very definition of Capitalism.
If you do this you acknowledge that your luxuries proceed from Communism or whatever you claim China uses.
2. You accept that they are salaried employers under Capitalism, and acknowledge that most Capitalists are miserable.
We can, of course ignore this problem as not or business. But acting smug an then pretending we are never wrong... is just sick.
On a related note, isn't a web browser a vital part of an OS since the creation of the web? Because I can use a web browser to download netscape/winamp/metapad/etc, without a browser I can't download anything, the argument can be made that the web made browsers critical OS components.
But what I don't like is this spacial casing for Netscape, didn't explorer ate Total Comander? Windows Media Player eat Winamp? Didn't XP Visual Styles eat Windows Blinds?
But as another user commented, doesn't that also apply to the windows calculator? MS Paint? Notepad? Minefield? Explorer (the file manager)? All the screen savers? Or, more interestingly, the media player or the instant messenger?
Saying that those are OK because Netscape doesn't make calculators is not fair, is very probable that a profitable that a thriving market of basic calculators were squashed by MS calc.
Now I believe OS X ships with Safari and Ubuntu does with Firefox, I suppose the reason MS can't ship IE is because they are officially a monopoly (I hope the reason is not, "because it hurt Netscape", that's lame) if so, doesn't it make more sense to force MS to cooperate with the WINE and the Reactor OS projects to create an Open Source version of Windows for once?
I don't like how this issue is framed as something done in remediation to one company -Netscape- about one product -Navigator- against one product -IE- against one OS -Windows-
Now the OS part I can accept because of the monopoly thing but not the rest. But raises my concerns that MS will try to use this ruling to force Firefox out of Ubuntu (that is, if Mozilla doesn't get to that first ÂÂ)
Of course if OEMs are forced to offer another OS, MS won't be able to extort them anymore, that's why I said "force", not "allow", I'm not ignoring that part.
At least we agree 100% about OOXML.
Sure, here: http://www.willitblend.com/
Honestly I can't agree with this. Microsoft has the right to ship whatever browser they want in their OS, if the EU or the UN or whatever told Canonical to ship IE with Ubuntu I'll be really pissed off.
Yes the IE monoculture is harmful (surprisingly, due more to it being IE than being a monoculture) but the real problem is the Windows monoculture, instead of fighting to install firefox in Windows the goal should be to force OEMs to offer more OS choices.
Of course we can't blame OEMs for not offering Linux because desktop Linux is a very young platform (the first Ubuntu LTS is not even 3 years old).
If anything we should sue MS for the OOXML fiasco.
I see the time to learn Epiphany extending approaching...
Come on! It's not about Linux, it's about the free desktop. It doesn't really matter if it is Linux or BSD or HURD, it doesn't matter if it is Gnome or KDE or a mix, what we need is to have an standard Free Desktop for desktop developers to target.
Consider the success of Windows, by far the most successful OS, why? because of the desktop. Linux can already hand its ass to Windows in the server and the embedded market, small devices and big devices, they are all covered.
Where the lack of penetration really hurts our (my?) daily life is in the desktop, every time I have to install a windows software, every time flash behaves weird, every time I visit an IE only site, every time one of my relatives system gets infected with viruses, I wish for a wide spread free desktop.
My full support is with Ubuntu, they have the right goals and the capacity to reach them. They say "stop trying to turn Linux into Windows" but we (I) *NEED* a Windows replacement dammit!!
Good thing Mac OSX finally [strike]copied virtual desktops[/strike] created the original concept of Spaces.
Funny thing Mac users obsess so much about this ability to have document less editors because if an editor isn't editing anything I don't want it wasting resources idle, if I was forced to use a Mac the first thing I'd do would be finding a setting or hack that would auto-closes idle editors.
The second thing I'll probably do is find a taskbar(window list) clone, windows has dock clones so I guess there must be taskbar clones for the mac, the combination of tray/launcher works great for stuff like bittorrent clients but is generally not worth it. Finally I'll look for an application that can let me set a global keyboard shortcut that would allow me to switch between documents regardless of the application they belong because honestly, who gives a shit about that? The way the mac is described to me seems to imply that if I have, say, two safari windows and a word editor open, switching between the safari windows is done differently than switching between the word editor and one of the safari windows.
If that is the case then no thanks, I'll stay with Gnome.
What? you can read Britannica on the web? I had no idea, I've never stumbled on a Britannica link, never, not even in Google.
But then again, this new information is useless anyway.