Yes but unless you regularly open 20+ tabs it going to waste a lot of screen real state.
Besides it's ugly, the tab titles get cut tiny anyway, this time always not just when using many tabs.
Now if you only use one window I understand it and I in fact would demand such a layout, but I *like* having separate windows for separate tasks. I often have 2-3 windows (spread on 2 virtual desktops) each one with 1-4 tabs.
Other times I use the tabs as a stack where I simply middle click what I want to read further and keep reading, sequentially. In this case screen space is more relevant than navigability.
All around I like that horizontal tabs are supported and default in most modern browsers but I do understand why these extensions exists.
I don't think they're listening, they're probably christians.
Many people have this desire to depict all of us as the scum of the planet, specially christians, it supports their worldview that the majority of Earth must be violently tortured for all eternity. Talk about fucked up principles.
The "problem" with web applications is that most people don't ever think of upgrading their browsers and some will refuse to simply because it's new and because their existing browser works, thus the huge number of IE5 users in the wild.
So if you want to get a better platform for web applications what you need to do is convince Microsoft of installing it by default in windows and wait.
Of course there is no way Microsoft is going to cooperate with a GPL scripting engine, it will have to be BSD if not "Shared Source" licenced with copyrights assigned to Microsoft. And you can bet your shoes it is going to be extended in incompatible; Windows oriented ways.
Mind you, isn't this what Silverlight is about?
Ok, right now Microsoft is being very cooperative with Silverlight since it has to beat flash before E.E.E.-ing it. Flash got there because people *DID* install it so perhaps a better javascript can be distributed in the form of a free plugin for IE et all.
The second problem of course is that document oriented programing is very easy. perhaps web applications *are* the way most applications should be organized because document orientation mkes a lot of sense.
If quantum particles have free will, does that mean we do as well? Wouldn't that still imply that we don't have control over our thoughts but instead are irresistibly forced to think as the quantum particles in our brains dictate?
This is what is known as the homunculus problem, trying to explain subjective experiences by imagining an small, possibly quantum "thing" (hint: soul) having these experiences and relaying a response back into our "larger" self. Which completely evades the question of what really is subjective experience.
On the topic of free will, I subscribe to utilitarian interpretations of language, because language has proven to be able to express abstract concepts that are not related to reality.
Humans have free will because for the most part, we can't make them think what we want them to think. Sure they respond to some stimulus predictably like a web server responds to GET and POST methods predictably but that is far from running arbitrary code in the remote host.
The real problem is that people tend to think of their brain and the chemicals inside as an extension of themselves rather than them themselves. In other words
If my brain and the chemicals inside of it control my will
Then my will is controlled by something else than me
Ergo I don't have free will.
But if "I" == "My brain and the chemicals inside of it"
Then "I" control my will
Ergo I have free will.
I'm getting sick of it, it happens all the time all over the internet:
1. Some business-type pundit asks around for something new to talk about. 2. He hears of this free [Linux | Firefox | Wikipedia | Django |... ]. 3. He shakes his head in disgust thinking nothing with the word 'free' on it can take off. 4. After actually using it, he gets surprised about how much it has done and how popular it has gotten. 5. Suddenly gets an extremely novel idea! "Let's "enhance" it; by tying it to some [ subscription service | closed source software | DRMd hardware | ]!!".
Argggg! Really bright idea there, if free got it where it is let's fix it by *destroying it's competitive advantage*!!
What really pisses me off is that none of this pundits suggest to go in the direction of free. e.g.
"In 3 years pressure from the EU and the rest of the world will make the US think again about software patents, codecs could be reimplemented free from royalties for open source projects".
It's been done in Linux, it's been happening for a long while. Gnome and KDE have grown some enhancements like these actually long ago.
In Linux this is done at the GUI API level. Essentially you hack it into the GTK/Qt widget library and recompile.
Drag-and-Drop installation of this stuff is necessary in the shareware and closed source world of the Mac, it could be nice in Linux too but it's just not a priority.
Of course with XUL/Java/GTK+1/GTK+2/Qt3/Qt4/Tk + misc it is harder to do in desktop Linux, but this problem is present too in Mac OS for non Cocoa apps.
Yes, potential patent issues make it so there is some risk involved. If MS is smart they'd realize that would severely hurt their image.
Nevermind that being a monopoly would make them liable to lose billions of dollars, but also, they have an image problem already, and they probably don't want to make it worse.
Hurt their image in front of whom really? Opinions are already set and people already have a band.
Really, Microsoft wasn't worried about their image when they stuffed the ISO committee whit chills, used every dirty trick in the book and abused every process they could to get the MS OOXML into the ISO.
Microsoft just simply cannot get a worse image for those who care.
And then we have people who just don't care, like you -I presume- I mean if the past record of corruption, abuse, heavy handed tactics and its shamelessly anticompetitive stance wasn't enough to make you shy away from any offering they make WHY DO YOU THINK a patent fiasco or two will bother you?
I bet Microsoft could be eating baby seals, you wouldn't care as long as their development platform is solid.
"The convolution of your pathetically ignorant ideas pushed by your primitive instincts betrays your rotund inability to grasp the complexity of the processes and the myriad of possibilities that this structure enables, ergo, I cannot be but inescapably forced to ignore and disregard your suggestions. Knowing that your pity and irrational sense of self worth is going to be affected negatively from this message I suggest you to recall that you are only human and thus bound to regular failure as any other one."
Me thinks is (justified) laziness. I'm a front end developer so I have to deal with the usability (and prettiness) of my company's applications.
I don't think it is a matter of lacking understanding usability. Firstly I know usability when I look at it. Things like following Fitt's law, using CUA shortcuts, ubiquitous undo, ubiquitous copy/paste, ubiquitous autocomplete, ubiquitous drag+drop. I know all that shit. Secondly they are *using* their software, they know when things could be better....but...
In my work, I do loads and loads of screens and dialogs that are going to be used once a month by administrative personal. My time is invested in making front ends for everything that management, marketing, HR or R&D could fancy to tweak.
There simply is no time to make things as pretty or as usable as I know they should be. As soon as an interface is usable at all, I'm moved to the next feature/project.
So, I think this is what happens to many OSS projects. You can spend all afternoon making that widget just perfect or you can play with the kids at home.
On the other hand, When talking about gui apps with the back end guy, it really seems he is usability-blind in *some* respects. His idea of usability is to have dozens of microscopic buttons in auto hiding panels but then again he's KDE and I'm Gnome so it is expectable. It really seems to be a matter of taste, and free weekends...
And I disagree that free software is generally worse than commercial software. I've noticed that in most applications there is usually one or two dominant closed source players then one dominant open source player surrounded by circle of specialized open source alternatives for specific situations, then a sea of incompetent closed source software.
Bingo, I had a problem like that yesterday. I installed a patched and havely upgraded version of windows in a a 7yo machine. Nothing worked, specifically no network, no mouse, no USB, no sound and almost no picture (pretty small pixel and color resolutions). So i booted up an Ubuntu liveCD, which picked up all the hardware (minus the GPU) I typed hal-device into the terminal and got all the hardware info I needed then downloaded the drivers to a USB memory NOT before a tedious driver hunting session. And they say Linux is just for geeks with too much time.
This is the perfect form of public protest for an slashdotter (you don't have to get away from the computer).
Everybody on the US please! put your vote on sell on ebay, report here (and in wikileaks?) for coordination. When the police come to arrest you and you are in court don't simply say it is a joke, say it is an act of protest at the current election system, point to the people doing the same here.
A judge can ignore the rights of a kid but not a massive protest from the human wave known as/.!
If the switch is done suddenly enough it could actually starve HIV to death before it can evolve. What worries me is...t Human Immunodeficiency Virus is actually a rather generic title for a very specific virus, but wouldn't any virus that prey on T-Cells a HIV virus of sort? In other words we are fixing only and implementation of the problem not the general problem itself, human genetic code may start an evolutionary race similar to that of Windows. Even worse is that these changes may in fact be more attractive for other kinds of viruses.
Like many poster I'd want a fast and stable browser first but, realizing that the browser is inevitably going to become the dominant application platform of the future I'd want all sorts of controls to make sure it works in pro of users and not against them, some ideas:
* A tray/notification area button allowing fast access to kill/ban disruptive applications. * A sort of history that allows one to review how many connections and data have been used by an application. * Controlled resources to each application so that one heavy application doesn't slow down the others, just itself, and a way to prioritize how much resources can be consumed by a given application, and make this setting persistent of course.
Slashdot Mirror
Yes but unless you regularly open 20+ tabs it going to waste a lot of screen real state.
Besides it's ugly, the tab titles get cut tiny anyway, this time always not just when using many tabs.
Now if you only use one window I understand it and I in fact would demand such a layout, but I *like* having separate windows for separate tasks. I often have 2-3 windows (spread on 2 virtual desktops) each one with 1-4 tabs.
Other times I use the tabs as a stack where I simply middle click what I want to read further and keep reading, sequentially. In this case screen space is more relevant than navigability.
All around I like that horizontal tabs are supported and default in most modern browsers but I do understand why these extensions exists.
Meh' the transcription has been available fansubbed a week after official release...
It's *always* the last one you would expect...
Fail.
Firstly, optical interceptors are implanted during medical revisions so if this is what you are talking about you fail.
Second, the eye-stealing trick involved hacking cyberbrains, it bypasses any sort of binoculars or interceptors, you still fail.
Surrender your otaku card, now.
I don't think they're listening, they're probably christians.
Many people have this desire to depict all of us as the scum of the planet, specially christians, it supports their worldview that the majority of Earth must be violently tortured for all eternity. Talk about fucked up principles.
Answer: A superior species.
The "problem" with web applications is that most people don't ever think of upgrading their browsers and some will refuse to simply because it's new and because their existing browser works, thus the huge number of IE5 users in the wild.
So if you want to get a better platform for web applications what you need to do is convince Microsoft of installing it by default in windows and wait.
Of course there is no way Microsoft is going to cooperate with a GPL scripting engine, it will have to be BSD if not "Shared Source" licenced with copyrights assigned to Microsoft. And you can bet your shoes it is going to be extended in incompatible; Windows oriented ways.
Mind you, isn't this what Silverlight is about?
Ok, right now Microsoft is being very cooperative with Silverlight since it has to beat flash before E.E.E.-ing it. Flash got there because people *DID* install it so perhaps a better javascript can be distributed in the form of a free plugin for IE et all.
The second problem of course is that document oriented programing is very easy. perhaps web applications *are* the way most applications should be organized because document orientation mkes a lot of sense.
If quantum particles have free will, does that mean we do as well? Wouldn't that still imply that we don't have control over our thoughts but instead are irresistibly forced to think as the quantum particles in our brains dictate?
This is what is known as the homunculus problem, trying to explain subjective experiences by imagining an small, possibly quantum "thing" (hint: soul) having these experiences and relaying a response back into our "larger" self. Which completely evades the question of what really is subjective experience.
On the topic of free will, I subscribe to utilitarian interpretations of language, because language has proven to be able to express abstract concepts that are not related to reality.
Humans have free will because for the most part, we can't make them think what we want them to think. Sure they respond to some stimulus predictably like a web server responds to GET and POST methods predictably but that is far from running arbitrary code in the remote host.
The real problem is that people tend to think of their brain and the chemicals inside as an extension of themselves rather than them themselves. In other words
If my brain and the chemicals inside of it control my will
Then my will is controlled by something else than me
Ergo I don't have free will.
But if "I" == "My brain and the chemicals inside of it"
Then "I" control my will
Ergo I have free will.
I'm getting sick of it, it happens all the time all over the internet:
1. Some business-type pundit asks around for something new to talk about. ... ].
2. He hears of this free [Linux | Firefox | Wikipedia | Django |
3. He shakes his head in disgust thinking nothing with the word 'free' on it can take off.
4. After actually using it, he gets surprised about how much it has done and how popular it has gotten.
5. Suddenly gets an extremely novel idea! "Let's "enhance" it; by tying it to some [ subscription service | closed source software | DRMd hardware | ]!!".
Argggg! Really bright idea there, if free got it where it is let's fix it by *destroying it's competitive advantage*!!
What really pisses me off is that none of this pundits suggest to go in the direction of free. e.g.
"In 3 years pressure from the EU and the rest of the world will make the US think again about software patents, codecs could be reimplemented free from royalties for open source projects".
Nay! They're always for less freedom.
It's been done in Linux, it's been happening for a long while. Gnome and KDE have grown some enhancements like these actually long ago.
In Linux this is done at the GUI API level. Essentially you hack it into the GTK/Qt widget library and recompile.
Drag-and-Drop installation of this stuff is necessary in the shareware and closed source world of the Mac, it could be nice in Linux too but it's just not a priority.
Of course with XUL/Java/GTK+1/GTK+2/Qt3/Qt4/Tk + misc it is harder to do in desktop Linux, but this problem is present too in Mac OS for non Cocoa apps.
Sage
4chanist xkcdisms...
please not in my slashdot.
Ok on second thought let's apply rule # of the internet here.
Let it be. Someone must be enjoying this which is great; so I'll just ignore and it won't hurt me anymore.
Hurt their image in front of whom really? Opinions are already set and people already have a band.
Really, Microsoft wasn't worried about their image when they stuffed the ISO committee whit chills, used every dirty trick in the book and abused every process they could to get the MS OOXML into the ISO.
Microsoft just simply cannot get a worse image for those who care.
And then we have people who just don't care, like you -I presume- I mean if the past record of corruption, abuse, heavy handed tactics and its shamelessly anticompetitive stance wasn't enough to make you shy away from any offering they make WHY DO YOU THINK a patent fiasco or two will bother you?
I bet Microsoft could be eating baby seals, you wouldn't care as long as their development platform is solid.
"The convolution of your pathetically ignorant ideas pushed by your primitive instincts betrays your rotund inability to grasp the complexity of the processes and the myriad of possibilities that this structure enables, ergo, I cannot be but inescapably forced to ignore and disregard your suggestions. Knowing that your pity and irrational sense of self worth is going to be affected negatively from this message I suggest you to recall that you are only human and thus bound to regular failure as any other one."
DO NOT WANT any crappy RTF editing in my slashdot!!
Wiki markup, reStructured text or Markdown syntax would be preferred!
While there, ad a 'log in' form in the ajaxy comment form as an alternative to the captcha.
Me thinks is (justified) laziness. I'm a front end developer so I have to deal with the usability (and prettiness) of my company's applications.
I don't think it is a matter of lacking understanding usability. Firstly I know usability when I look at it. Things like following Fitt's law, using CUA shortcuts, ubiquitous undo, ubiquitous copy/paste, ubiquitous autocomplete, ubiquitous drag+drop. I know all that shit. Secondly they are *using* their software, they know when things could be better. ...but...
In my work, I do loads and loads of screens and dialogs that are going to be used once a month by administrative personal. My time is invested in making front ends for everything that management, marketing, HR or R&D could fancy to tweak.
There simply is no time to make things as pretty or as usable as I know they should be. As soon as an interface is usable at all, I'm moved to the next feature/project.
So, I think this is what happens to many OSS projects. You can spend all afternoon making that widget just perfect or you can play with the kids at home.
On the other hand, When talking about gui apps with the back end guy, it really seems he is usability-blind in *some* respects. His idea of usability is to have dozens of microscopic buttons in auto hiding panels but then again he's KDE and I'm Gnome so it is expectable. It really seems to be a matter of taste, and free weekends...
And I disagree that free software is generally worse than commercial software. I've noticed that in most applications there is usually one or two dominant closed source players then one dominant open source player surrounded by circle of specialized open source alternatives for specific situations, then a sea of incompetent closed source software.
Forks weren't invented, they were forked from Invention.
Larry and Sergey probably don't care so much, you should harass their families instead.
Yes but does it:
-Let you upload your traveling stats to blogger, facebook, tweeter and myspace?
-Run Linux?
-Can be arranged in a Beowulf cluster?
Bingo, I had a problem like that yesterday. I installed a patched and havely upgraded version of windows in a a 7yo machine. Nothing worked, specifically no network, no mouse, no USB, no sound and almost no picture (pretty small pixel and color resolutions). So i booted up an Ubuntu liveCD, which picked up all the hardware (minus the GPU) I typed hal-device into the terminal and got all the hardware info I needed then downloaded the drivers to a USB memory NOT before a tedious driver hunting session. And they say Linux is just for geeks with too much time.
Yes, thanks, my point exactly, KDE 4 is exactly about adding simplicity back to KDE
This is the perfect form of public protest for an slashdotter (you don't have to get away from the computer).
Everybody on the US please! put your vote on sell on ebay, report here (and in wikileaks?) for coordination. When the police come to arrest you and you are in court don't simply say it is a joke, say it is an act of protest at the current election system, point to the people doing the same here.
A judge can ignore the rights of a kid but not a massive protest from the human wave known as /.!
If the switch is done suddenly enough it could actually starve HIV to death before it can evolve. What worries me is...t Human Immunodeficiency Virus is actually a rather generic title for a very specific virus, but wouldn't any virus that prey on T-Cells a HIV virus of sort? In other words we are fixing only and implementation of the problem not the general problem itself, human genetic code may start an evolutionary race similar to that of Windows. Even worse is that these changes may in fact be more attractive for other kinds of viruses.
Like many poster I'd want a fast and stable browser first but, realizing that the browser is inevitably going to become the dominant application platform of the future I'd want all sorts of controls to make sure it works in pro of users and not against them, some ideas:
* A tray/notification area button allowing fast access to kill/ban disruptive applications.
* A sort of history that allows one to review how many connections and data have been used by an application.
* Controlled resources to each application so that one heavy application doesn't slow down the others, just itself, and a way to prioritize how much resources can be consumed by a given application, and make this setting persistent of course.