I aware of all that. Frankly, regardless of which interpretation you choose, the original point still stands.
Simply put, having, "In God We Trust", on currency is neither interfering with religion nor is religion interfering with government. On the other hand, the anti-religious religion people ARE interfering with government's right to produce currency. And while artistic embodiment is hardly protected, freedom of speech and expression is. That means they have no Constitutional right to argue their position in the first place. Their position is completely invalidated by just about any way you want to look at it - if one cares to honor the Constitution even one iota.
Regardless of how you choose to interpret the Constitution, its very clear, both literal reading and intent of the original framers, clearly spells out these idiots have no rights.
Far too many people get caught up, trying far, far too hard to "interpret" the Constitution. Frankly, they wrote it so its generally pretty easy to read; ignoring the old English. Take the recent second amendment interpretation validation. It took how many years and how much man power to validate what any ten to twelve year old can tell you??!? Literally; once they get past the old English! And this is just more of the same. There really isn't that much to interpret and knowing the intent makes it very clear. In this case, as you brought up, your concern for ambiguity is actually not ambiguous at all. They were very concerned about either interfering with the other. The verbiage they provided seems to only validate what I'm saying. They didn't want the church running the government any more than they wanted government persecuting the church.
This stuff tends to only be complicated by people pushing an agenda or those that have some type of serious learning impairment. In this case, anti-religious zealots are pushing their own, clearly unconstitutional, anti-religious agenda. As for the gun issue, it was anti-gun zealots pushing their clearly unconstitutional, anti-gun agenda. As I said, this really isn't hard.
Yet, by incorporating text concerning a single god in its currency (among other places), it places religions that have a single god above those that have either many or none.
So?
The Constitution does not prevent recognition of religion or acknowledgment of the prevent belief structure. The two issues are completely non-sequitur; though it is frequently a source of confusion.
The entire intent, and that's what is important, is the church is to have no government control or influence. Anti-religious nut jobs have forgotten to check the intent. Its a stretch by any measure to believe, "In God We Trust", influences government decisions in any way, shape, or form; or that its capable of having such influence. And until someone can prove this is in fact, not only the case, but that its a common fact, continued argument by these nut jobs only confirm they are ignorant nut jobs attempting to force their anti-religious religion down everyone's throat. And frankly, I find their motives to be more offensive. After all, at least with the religious nuts attempting to force it down your throat, their motives are obvious. With the other guys, they're lying to your face which pissing on the Constitution with their ignorance, lack of comprehension, and inability to learn history.
The good news is, they did do the research to provide an alternate design required to keep our troops safe. Hopefully it will be manufactured and deployed sooner rather than later.
[citation needed] If the battery was capable of a higher capacity then that is what would be printed on the label.
Go check any hobby which requires the constant use of batteries and chargers. R/C cars, boats, and airplanes are a good source of information - as are the companies who manufacture their chargers and batteries.
This is fact, the rated capacity of a battery represents the MINIMUM capacity; not the maximum. For others, the difference can be huge. Otherwise you'd wind up with batteries which could never hold their rated capacity. For some poor quality packs, the minimum and maximum may not be far apart. Quality batteries can commonly hold 20%-50%, or more, over their rated capacity, so long as the cells remain balanced and are properly trickled charged. As lion packs are always (assuming a reasonable aversion to fire) trickled charged, it is very common for a fully charged battery to exceed its rated capacity - for at least a good chunk of its life. This is one reason why Android calibrates to each battery pack over time. Different packs will provide for different capacities, including well over their rated capacity. And over time, for most packs with use, the capacity will shrink.
And don't for a second assume that hobby batteries are different than the batteries used for phones. It is common for hobbyists to collect their cells from cell phone battery packs, and with them take the integrated charging circuitry. As a rule of thumb, cell phone batteries tend to have very high quality cells because of both the charging cycle demands and fire liabilities.
As you seemingly are unaware of the state of batteries, I can understand why you believe what you do. Regardless, the information you presented as fact, may be, but it is far from representative of the whole picture. The information I present as fact, is fact. Nothing I stated is misleading or untrue. Hopefully you can come to terms with this and realize they need not be as mutually exclusive as you insist on believing.
wouldn't consider a phone with the radio off to be "in standby".
There are many radios involved these days. Regardless, standby means exactly what it sounds - standing by to be used as a phone. Airplane mode is not considered "standby". Standby means ready to receive or initiate an outbound call.
Errm really? The quoted standby time for the G1 is 319 hours GSM, 402 hours WCDMA. I do not believe you exceed these times, especially if you are "realistically using your phone".
Then you'll not believe anything. Though in hindsight clearly should not have said, "all the time." That was used to stress its is obtainable and I've done it. I have no idea why using a phone as a phone is considered unrealistic to you. Regardless, using a phone as a phone is as realistic as it gets. Using a phone as a phone with occasional texting (basically free) and occasional email is very realistic use of a phone. Telling anyone that using a phone as a phone is unrealistic is going to get you a look like you're an idiot every time.
As for your math, reality says they provided a worst case power draw and the quoted specs overstate the actual draw. Furthermore, it is EXTREMELY common for batteries to hold larger capacities than their rated values when they are treated nicely; especially lions and nicads. Did I mention EXTREEEEEMLY common. So one can completely ignore your math as right out of the gate, once you leave theoretical land, you're working on a false assumption. In other words, even if the CPU draw is understated, its still safe to completely ignore your math. That's the difference between theoretical and the real world.
At this point, as you constantly contradict yourself and refuse to believe factual statements, while at the same time likely have yet to check the link I even provided to you, I believe we're done.
Not really. With video you're still typically CPU bound. And even on the iPhone, any quality, showcase type game is going to load the required resources at level boundary because even the iPhone doesn't have that kind of I/O and CPU to spare without causing problems for game play.
I said, "you can see weeks", to which you said, "I'm sorry, that's simply not true...That puts the absolute upper limit at a little under 16 days".
Last I checked, 16 days is "weeks". There are 14-days in two weeks. So technically two weeks and some days is doable. I believe that still counts as weeks. But we're splitting hairs here as we both agree, that's not a realistic use of the phone nor should it be the basis of realistic expectations. I'll also note the graph at the link I provided also supports a standby time of 16 days; as extrapolated based on graphed measurement.
My position is also that the manufacturer's quoted standby times are a complete work of fiction and cannot ever be achieved by any means.
I exceed the official standby times on my G1 all the time, while realistically using my phone. I can only do so by using WiSyncPlus but regardless it is a very real and very usable use of the phone while still providing plenty of functionality. The standby time for the G1 is realistic. Do not confuse standby time with usable time. The standby time for the G1 is obtainable and realistic. But standby time is a far, far cry from talk time or actual time spent performing a useful workload.
You'll note I didn't blame anything, I simply said that in normal use smartphones generally have a crappy battery life.
I think we're talking two sides of the same coin here. I'm addressing the perception of poor battery life. Based on your comment, its fair to say, "in contrast to other smart phones, the G1 has good battery life." And that's the problem. We're really dealing with perception and semantics. The perception is, of smart phones, the G1 has especially poor life. That's the perception I disavow because its factually not true. Realistically, the G1 has very good life given its load. That's the facts.
In other words, if you walk around saying the G1 has poor battery life, people accept it as such as so much myth exists to support that position. So long as you qualify your comment of compared to non-smart phones my G1 has poor battery life, I don't have an issue with that statement. But if you state it where the perceived comment is in contrast to other smart phones, as in it has poor life, then that statement is completely misleading, factually false, and only serves to provide additional substance to what is already a run-away myth.
That's the point I'm making.
I have to say that this is one criticism I have about Android - the stock OS doesn't actually make it that easy to know when apps are draining the battery and which are responsible.
For that reason "Spare Parts" needs to be more readily available. I agree. I don't recall if its included in the OEM builds or not. It does a good job of tracking battery use, power locks, sleep/wake time, etc. Like you I do agree the results are not always obvious to the layman. As a side note, I believe its also available on the market as a free download.
People on Slashdot often seem to struggle with the idea that people might be away from a power socket for more than a few minutes. It isn't uncommon for me to be away from a power socket for a week or more. "1-3 days" just doesn't cut it.
If that's the case, then either no smart phone is a good pick for you, you need to change your expectations to be far more realistic, or you need to adjust your phone's workload to provide the mandatory life. None of those are unreasonable options.
Keep in mind, even at three days, I'm doing a fair bit of email and phone calling and a little browsing/texting. If I only did email and phone calls (length dependent), more than three days is easily achievable. Again, WiSyncPlus also helps here. I do agree it would be impossible without the likes of WiSyncPlus. From the website you can read the battery claims. Standby time is claimed to be very high. But its not realistic to expect any smart phone to be always on and yet last weeks at a time. That's the reason the Palm-Pre is doomed to horrible battery life. No phone does that without extra batteries. None. Its physically impossible and therefore very unrealistic to have such expectations. And that's what seems to confuse me. Above you readily admit no smart phone has good battery life and then you turn and seem to suggest your G1 has poor battery life while knowing full well it doesn't; and then turn again and insist it does. I don't know what to think of that.
No, it really isn't. Sure, you can get great battery life if you turn all the useful stuff off, but that isn't what most people want to do. I'm not interested in knowing what the absolute maximum battery life I might get is, I'm interested in the life I'm going to get in normal use. This is no different to car manufacturers quoting "best case" (i.e. totally unrealistic) MPG figures - it might sell well, but it is utterly meaningless since no one will ever see that kind of efficency in the real world.
Maximum battery life is not what this thread has been about. Not one bit. At least not in any form on my side. I'm talking about real world, realistic battery life. If it was about maximum battery life, easily you can see weeks on an Andro
100 hours falls into the "not great" category I'm afraid.
Then that means the iPhone is a total piece of crap. I suspect you misunderstand my statement. My statement means, 100 hours over and above what you get on the iPhone. I don't mean 100 hours or more total runtime. Those kind of numbers would be bad. Thankfully, all Android phones can easily see more runtime than an iPhone on a single charge, given comparable workloads.
I have to ask, why do you say "inferior"?
I was being sarcastic. Most consider the G1 to be inferior. Its not. How can it provide a richer experience and more battery life and still be inferior? That's my point. Dry sarcasm is tough in electronic form.
As a HTC Dream user, I am talking about my own experiences here. My own experiences tell me that in normal use the battery life of the HTC Dream sucks.
Then that's because you don't appreciate what is going on with your phone or have a poor selection of battery unfriendly applications. Both are common. Far too often people blame Android/Phone/battery for what is really ignorance or a complete disregard for what they install on their phone. I'm not saying that's you're issue, but it likely is at least a huge part of the equation.
For example, I spoke with a user that was livid about how poorly his G1's battery lasted. After talking with him, he left bluetooth and wifi on all time, even when they were not being used. But even worse, he had his twitter application polling for updates every MINUTE of the day. That means his phone never slept. He was angry his phone couldn't last the day without charging.
Realistically, the G1's battery life is better than the iPhone's. The difference is, they have drastically different workloads. If you still want better battery life and yet still want to use background communication, do checkout WiSyncPlus. Many have reported doubling their battery life. Depending on what I'm doing, I see anywhere from one to three days of battery life. And those one day charges are from TONS of web browsing, reading, emailing, and twittering, all on WIFI, plus occasional GPS.
Simply put, if you honestly believe you have poor battery life, you have a poor selection of applications (or configuration thereof), likely don't have WiSyncPlus, leave all your hardware on all the time without regard for their use, have a broken phone, have a bad battery, or have extremely weak service where you're at; especially 3G. All of which are factors which will drain the battery of all phones in existence.
I'm running the JF Cupcake 1.5 CRB43 ADP firmware.
I was running JF for a while too. Since you already have a modded rom, go get Cyanogen's image (4.0.2). You'll notice another 20%-30% increase in battery life, despite being TONS faster. From the market, install the cyanogen updater. Do a backup first. If need be, install the nandroid backup tool first. Regardless, do a backup first. I strongly urge you to do a leading reading about the upgrade process on xda first.
And just FYI, I upgraded from JF 1.5.x to CM-3.9.7 to CM-3.9.10.x to CM-4.0.1 to CM-4.0.1 and never had to wipe once.
If you don't mind spending a couple of bucks, purchase WiSyncPlus. So long as you don't require twitter updates every one minute, or equally insane, always on update rates, chances are you will notice at least some battery life improvement. And if you're a more common/casual user, chances are you'll notice huge improvements.
This is *not* misinformation, as I originally said, it is my personal experience.
That's the thing, it *ABSOLUTELY* *IS* misinformation. That's not to discount your personal experience. The point is, people constantly compare with the iPhone and conclude the G1 has horrible battery life. The fact is, under the same work load, the G1 whips the iPhone.
Furthermore, for your own experience, chances are you fall into the category where you simply don't appreciate all the work you're asking the phone to do on your behalf. And to be
AT&T is the only wild card because of their exclusive deal with Apple. AT&T was slated to have an Android phone enter the market this month. It seems they came to their senses and realized their offering was too far down on the ladder. Speculation is AT&T will still have an Android offering by the end of the year but exactly what form that offering will look like is questionable. Regardless, many are not expecting a high end offering on AT&T because it will seriously compete with the iPhone and endanger then exclusive deal. As such, most are expecting an upper-middle class offering rather than the low end offering they previously planned and canceled.
But ignoring AT&T, just about everyone else that matters in the US has already committed to at least one Android offering by the end of the year. Some will have two offerings with T-Mobile primed to *possibly* have as many as three.
I'm like you. I currently have a G1 on AT&T, sans 3G because of hardware frequency limitations. Just about everyone I know would willingly grab an Android phone if it were offered on AT&T, save one. That one person is on T-Mobile and the only reason they don't have an Android phone is because they just finished renewing their Blackberry and was locked in before they learned about Android.
On the other hand, most everyone is anticipating a very strong Android offering from Verizon as their AT&T/Apple F-U move. Verizon has been trying hard, but completely unsuccessful, to get a piece of the iPhone money. They have repeatedly been given the finger by Apple. In response, everyone expects Verizon to hit the ground running and push Android real hard. Obviously this is not fact (we'll see) but everyone involved in Android will be very surprised if the Verizon offering is crippled. In fact, they are actively attempting to lure developers to enhance the Android-Verizon experience; for whatever that means. I do know they desperately want Verizon exclusive applications to bring in the masses to both their network and Android phones.
As for Sprint, I'm not sure what to think there. It seems they are a little more timid, but far less so than AT&T to offer an Android solution. Most are expecting a toe in the water to see where it takes them. Time will tell.
Regardless, you will soon have many Android options available.
Of course, you can only do two of those at once on the iphone, so who knows what the battery life would be if it could actually multitask?
It would be far worse, which is why they don't allow it. G1s can already exceed iPhones in standby battery life, when operating like-loads. Therefore its not unreasonable to jump to the conclusion the same would hold true if the iPhone were made to allow multitasking like Android.
a 16GB class 6 SD card runs about $50. even that is going to have much slower transfer rates that the iPhone's SIM based memory.
Right, but you don't need fast memory to play music. Basically it winds up waiting on IO and as its far from IO bound to play music, that's not a problem. Generally speaking, on an Android phone, the primary purpose of SD is to carry our music around.
Besides, I paid roughly $50 to a 16GB class 6, months ago and that came with a reader. Chances are it can be had for cheaper now.
The battery life isn't great, which is also a problem for the iPhone, but the HTC Dream lets me replace the battery, so if I'm going to be away from power for a long time I can just take a couple of spares, which is completely out for the iPhone.
I really, really wish people would stop saying that. The battery life is actually pretty good and with some simple software, can be made even better while still providing more functionality that is available to iPhone users. Contrary to the apples to apples comparison iPhone users always portray, Android runs background services and can therefore, carry a workload during periods which are simply impossible on the iPhone. In other words, what they portray an an apples to apples comparison is actually an apples to oranges on 'riods comparison. A steady workload means steady battery consumption. There is nothing you can do about that other than limit the different in workloads. If you want your battery to last longer, make it run on par with the iPhone's limited workload. Doing so is trivially easy and many software solutions for Android already exist to do so.
Additionally, you can install software like WiSyncPlus, which for many, drastically extends battery life. With WiSyncPlus you can easily obtain 100+ hours, or more, over what iPhone users have, assuming an iPhone-like workload. And best of all, with WiSyncPlus you can still achieve workloads on your device which will still make iPhone users envious. Simply put, with readily available software solutions, an inferior G1 can still provide more functionality AND MORE BATTERY LIFE.
Simply put, the battery life on the G1 is actually FAR better than what iPhone users have. Period. The questions is, are you using your phone to create a proper comparison. Most Android phone users do not. If you want longer battery life, get WiSyncPlus for a couple of bucks. If you want multiple batteries, drop $30-$60 each. Or, you can actually limit yourself and your phone to the reduced workloads of an iPhone and still have longer battery life.
Long story short, please, please, please story propagating the horrible misinformation that G1s have poor battery life. This has not been true since "cupcake" was release. The simply truth of the matter is, G1's have been battery life and iPhone 3G and 3GS. Even better, battery life continues to improve as Android evolves. So please stop parroting the misinformation feed to everyone by iPhone fanboys.
I wish more people would let others know about WiSyncPlus. I'm so tired of hearing about poor battery life; especially from other Android users. At this point there is no excuse for Android users to complain about poor battery life.
I don't use tethering much but one the rare occasion I have, its been a real life saver. Tethering capability is a must for smart phone owner as far as I'm concerned; be it Android or other. The fact Android users can install third party applications is a real blessing. Tethering is just one bonus available to Android users.
Also, don't forget you can change the WIFI sleep behavior in the advanced settings. This too can improve usability and/or power savings, depending on you use and what you expect from your phone. Menu -> settings -> Wireless controls -> Wi-Fi settings -> menu -> Advanced -> Wi-Fi sleep policy. The settings is pretty well hidden but can really change a user's WIFI experience.
Battery life is a joke. It's a smart-phone with a bright color display and the old Razr battery.
Not true. You can see longer battery life with a G1 than you can with the iPhone 3G or 3Gs. An application called WiSyncPlus goes a long way toward forcing a more "iPhone-like" operating profile. When running as such, users can observe up to 100+ hours more battery life than what the iPhone is seeing. Commonly people are seeing 1 day between charges if they twitter/facebook/email/im lots; which is impossible to the same degree with an iPhone. Those who are more conservative with their choice of applications see 1-2 days between charges. Those two groups typically see 2-3 days between charges with WiSyncPlus installed. Those who typically use their device more as a phone and occasionally as a smart device, combined with WiSyncPlus, can go a week between charges.
Furthermore, after Android 1.5 ("cupcake") was released, battery life improved considerably. Those that parrot poor battery life for any Android handset are either ignorant of the facts or pushing an agenda. Simple fact is, battery life is much better after the release of cupcake. With applications like WiSyncPlus, battery life can actually exceed, by far, the battery life of iPhone users. And even better, battery life continues to improve with additional Android improvements. Those users running "donut" derived Android are seeing yet additionally improved battery life; over and above that seen with "cupcake."
Instead, you get a kludge-cord that connects your headset through the power jack.
Not sure why that's a "kludge" other than an attempt to paint it very negatively. Most don't consider a multiple purpose port to be a "kludge" unless you're trying to push an agenda. Many multipurpose adapters are available which provide a multitude of options from a single port. While I do agree, a dedicated 3mm port would be better, that's still a far cry from a "kludge". Despite not having a dedicated 3mm port, the fact you have purchase an inexpensive adapter which provides a 2mm or 3mm port plus additional features while still exposing the USB port, is many things, but definitely not a "kludge" to be painted in negative light.
The camera takes butt-ugly pictures
Not sure where you got that bad information. For its MP rating, the pictures are actually very nice. I've shown pictures to people who asked about the source. They believed it was from a dedicated point-n-shoot having a higher MP rating. The simple fact is, the image quality is actually quite good.
The speaker is too quite. You can't hear your call or music in traffic or on a plane
Where are you getting your factually incorrect information from?!? The speaker is very loud. I can listen to music while I'm in the shower, with the phone ten feet away, playing over its internal speaker. Granted, like all tiny speakers, fidelity is what it is, but loudness is definitely not a problem unless unless you require a 100 watt amp for your hearing aid.
Cheap construction - the glass lens cover on mine broke when I dropped the phone 2 feet onto carpet.
Complete bullshit. The G1 is very well built and very tough. I've dropped my from waist high over carpet and didn't as much get a scratch. I've also fumbled it over title. It didn't receive a strictly vertical strike but its horizontal velocity had it traveling pretty fast. It stopped after it bounced off the wall, having skipped across the floor. Not issues. For this one I did have it in plastic armor. Even then, I would have only expected scratches.
Obviously you're a scared iPhone fanboy who can see the writing on the wall. You Apple/Iphone is quickly becoming eclipsed and simply isn't as "cool" as it once was because of Android. There isn't a iPhone 3Gs user that doesn't owe a thank you to Google/Android.
The phone is ugly, and has a small display when compared
On the downside the battery life on all except the BBerry is horrendous.
For Android users, poor battery life is often a complaint. This is because of always on connectivity combined with its awesome multitasking capabilities. An application called WiSyncPlus (http://www.gearsoft.mobi/wisyncplus.html) drastically improves battery life for most users. Many claim to have doubled or better their battery life. Its also popular with overseas users where unlimited data plans are not as common and/or required. For these users WiSyncPlus provides a means to both increase battery life and control monthly costs.
First and foremost, Android ABSOLUTELY HAS TAKEN OFF. Anyone that says otherwise is either lying or an Apple plant/fanboy. Period.
To say Android has not taken off is to say the iPhone is a complete failure. Period. This is of course, not true. The simple fact is, contrary to the complete bullshit provided in the article, Android has MATCHED or EXCEEDED the iPhone at every market metric. So saying Android is a failure is absolutely saying the iPhone is a failure. In short, FACTUALLY SPEAKING, the article is complete bullshit.
Every market projection thus far, places Android exceeding the iPhone by 2012 - which isn't that far away. And every expert agrees, contrary to the absolute bullshit of the article, the fact that Android has been able to grab as much market, to the detriment of both Blackberry and Apple, so quickly, very much validates Android is rapidly succeeding. Period.
In short, the article is best used to wipe ones ass because just about every aspect of the article is complete bullshit. Everything they spin as negative is actually validation of a positive. Bluntly, the article is either a plant by Apple or an Apple fanboy. The truth is, Apple is/was forced to refocus their development efforts and hardware with their most recent offers specifically because of Google/Android/G1. If Android were such a failure, despite meeting or exceeding every iPhone milestone, Apple wouldn't be changing gears to keep up and/or adopt. When the market leading is forced to change plans, you have absolute validation of a market threat. A market failure is never a threat.
To summarize - the article is absolute bullshit as supported by the market and every market fact. The fact these bullshit articles are seeing the light of day is very real validate that someone is VERY, VERY, VERY SCARED of Android. As it directly compares with Apple, obviously the writer sees the day where Apples is playing third fiddle. The sad truth is, they are already rosening up their second fiddle - proof of these bullshit articles and Apple's recent publicity and/or the SDK/hardware offerings.
Exactly, as soon as there is a good andriod phone on a network with 3g in my area that doesn't restrict my ability to install applications I'm going to take it.
Then you'll have options available within the next 20-60 days. On Android, you can install third party applications - they just may not be available from the market. Unlike the iPhone, the platform is open.
Both the G1 and ADP1 are quad band but neither can physically support 3G on AT&T network. While the radio can technically support 3G on AT&T, the hardware required to drive the radio was not including on the board - presumably to same money. Many people are using G1/ADP1 on AT&T but give up 3G service in doing so. EDGE and GPRS work fine.
In the US that is tied to the lack of CDMA support.
Android now has CDMA support. Full support is including in Donut.
Number 1 Verizon and number 3 Sprint are CDMA.
Both of which will have an Android offering by the end of the year. Depending on which rumors you believe, Verizon and Sprint, between them, will have two to five Android handsets available by the end of the year. Some of the five may be launched as late as first quarter of next year. Regardless, you will see at least one Android offering from both Verizon and Sprint by the end of this year and likely within the next 20-60 days.
Add in that HTC is heavy into Windows Mobil
HTC has publicly stated they are and have been refocusing on Android as their primary OS. Android allows them to target all tiers of the phone market while WinMo allows allows them to target the high end. Their refocusing efforts have been in effect since the beginning of 2009.
Motorola the be the exclusive hardware partner.
While not exclusive, it might as well be. Motorola is in fairly bad shape these days and direly needs a serious success. Its well known Motorola has been retooling to put significant engery behind Android. As Android now supports CDMA and GSM on the same platform, by the end of the year, every major US carrier will have an Android offering. World wide, over twenty (as many as twenty five) Android handsets will be available. Come September/October, in the US alone, the numbers will begin to rise.
I just got a myTouch 3G so basically I can say that yes I do like it over the iPhone for the sole reason of multitasking but the problem for now is the hardware. It lags a lot.
That's actually a software problem and not hardware. The hardware is plenty fast. The next Android update goes a long way toward both drastically improving performance and reducing lag. I recently read the next Hero update drastically reduces latency to be on par with the iPhone. In short, latency is the only detractor when comparing the iPhone vs Android. And that difference is rapidly disappearing.
The only thing iPhone has over Android at the moment is hardware.
Not true. Android has had superior and/or competitive hardware from the word go. The problem is Android is still young and working hard to mature. As Android matures its able to better use the available hardware. Even with Android being less mature than the iPhone, Android already offers features which iPhone users can only dream and drool.
If you want to see what a low memory Android phone can do, check out Cyanogen's image for the G1. Performance is drastically faster while maintaining backwards compatibility. And keep in mind, Dalvik, the VM which all Android applications run, is still very immature. Give it another six months and performance will be through the roof. In a year or so, when Dalvik has some advanced VM capabilities and even perhaps a JIT, Android will be truly be kicking ass.
Not true. *SOME* people buy phones to make a statement. Others buy a phone for functionality. Those that want to make a statement buy something like a Hero or an iPhone. Those that actually want functionality from their phone buy something like a G1. The physical keyboard provides a huge boost for utilitarian users. That's a fact.
Really, when it comes to the G1, IMOHO, it highlights just how petty people can be. The phone really isn't bad looking in the least and so many have made such a big deal about the "chin" which is 100% completely a non-issue unless you're petty for the sake of petty, for the sole purpose of creating an issue which doesn't exist. Which is understandable as the G1 is a better phone than the iPhone 3G; so they needed something to try to make themselves feel better for owning the "cool" inferior phone. The simple fact is, all iPhone users owe Android/G1 for the features available in the iPhone 3Gs. Excluding memory and the jump in ogl es 2.0 support, the G1 is superior hardware.
As a side note, the G1 supports the majority of ogl es 2.0 in hardware/software but the Android platform doesn't. That's coming.
But do you think Verizon would even -allow- a phone with Android to run?
Yes! All major US carriers will have at least one Android phone available by the end of the year - including Verizon and AT&T. By the end of the year, over 20 different phones will be available around the world. Verizon is actually very excited about their public offering. They've been repeated denied a piece of the iPhone pie and as such, are fully expected to make Android be their f-u AT&T/Apple move.
Sorry. "Expectation of anonymity"? Where did that come from? I don't think anyone should ever expect anonymity.
Then companies should never allow the use of anything other than people's real names. By allowing the use of an alias people have the legitimate expectation of aninimity. Aninimity is also considered an important requisite for privacy and even democracy. In short, your , "I don't think...", statement flies in the face very reasonable assumption/expectations.
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I aware of all that. Frankly, regardless of which interpretation you choose, the original point still stands.
Simply put, having, "In God We Trust", on currency is neither interfering with religion nor is religion interfering with government. On the other hand, the anti-religious religion people ARE interfering with government's right to produce currency. And while artistic embodiment is hardly protected, freedom of speech and expression is. That means they have no Constitutional right to argue their position in the first place. Their position is completely invalidated by just about any way you want to look at it - if one cares to honor the Constitution even one iota.
Regardless of how you choose to interpret the Constitution, its very clear, both literal reading and intent of the original framers, clearly spells out these idiots have no rights.
Far too many people get caught up, trying far, far too hard to "interpret" the Constitution. Frankly, they wrote it so its generally pretty easy to read; ignoring the old English. Take the recent second amendment interpretation validation. It took how many years and how much man power to validate what any ten to twelve year old can tell you??!? Literally; once they get past the old English! And this is just more of the same. There really isn't that much to interpret and knowing the intent makes it very clear. In this case, as you brought up, your concern for ambiguity is actually not ambiguous at all. They were very concerned about either interfering with the other. The verbiage they provided seems to only validate what I'm saying. They didn't want the church running the government any more than they wanted government persecuting the church.
This stuff tends to only be complicated by people pushing an agenda or those that have some type of serious learning impairment. In this case, anti-religious zealots are pushing their own, clearly unconstitutional, anti-religious agenda. As for the gun issue, it was anti-gun zealots pushing their clearly unconstitutional, anti-gun agenda. As I said, this really isn't hard.
Yet, by incorporating text concerning a single god in its currency (among other places), it places religions that have a single god above those that have either many or none.
So?
The Constitution does not prevent recognition of religion or acknowledgment of the prevent belief structure. The two issues are completely non-sequitur; though it is frequently a source of confusion.
The entire intent, and that's what is important, is the church is to have no government control or influence. Anti-religious nut jobs have forgotten to check the intent. Its a stretch by any measure to believe, "In God We Trust", influences government decisions in any way, shape, or form; or that its capable of having such influence. And until someone can prove this is in fact, not only the case, but that its a common fact, continued argument by these nut jobs only confirm they are ignorant nut jobs attempting to force their anti-religious religion down everyone's throat. And frankly, I find their motives to be more offensive. After all, at least with the religious nuts attempting to force it down your throat, their motives are obvious. With the other guys, they're lying to your face which pissing on the Constitution with their ignorance, lack of comprehension, and inability to learn history.
The good news is, they did do the research to provide an alternate design required to keep our troops safe. Hopefully it will be manufactured and deployed sooner rather than later.
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If the battery was capable of a higher capacity then that is what would be printed on the label.
Go check any hobby which requires the constant use of batteries and chargers. R/C cars, boats, and airplanes are a good source of information - as are the companies who manufacture their chargers and batteries.
This is fact, the rated capacity of a battery represents the MINIMUM capacity; not the maximum. For others, the difference can be huge. Otherwise you'd wind up with batteries which could never hold their rated capacity. For some poor quality packs, the minimum and maximum may not be far apart. Quality batteries can commonly hold 20%-50%, or more, over their rated capacity, so long as the cells remain balanced and are properly trickled charged. As lion packs are always (assuming a reasonable aversion to fire) trickled charged, it is very common for a fully charged battery to exceed its rated capacity - for at least a good chunk of its life. This is one reason why Android calibrates to each battery pack over time. Different packs will provide for different capacities, including well over their rated capacity. And over time, for most packs with use, the capacity will shrink.
And don't for a second assume that hobby batteries are different than the batteries used for phones. It is common for hobbyists to collect their cells from cell phone battery packs, and with them take the integrated charging circuitry. As a rule of thumb, cell phone batteries tend to have very high quality cells because of both the charging cycle demands and fire liabilities.
As you seemingly are unaware of the state of batteries, I can understand why you believe what you do. Regardless, the information you presented as fact, may be, but it is far from representative of the whole picture. The information I present as fact, is fact. Nothing I stated is misleading or untrue. Hopefully you can come to terms with this and realize they need not be as mutually exclusive as you insist on believing.
wouldn't consider a phone with the radio off to be "in standby".
There are many radios involved these days. Regardless, standby means exactly what it sounds - standing by to be used as a phone. Airplane mode is not considered "standby". Standby means ready to receive or initiate an outbound call.
Errm really? The quoted standby time for the G1 is 319 hours GSM, 402 hours WCDMA. I do not believe you exceed these times, especially if you are "realistically using your phone".
Then you'll not believe anything. Though in hindsight clearly should not have said, "all the time." That was used to stress its is obtainable and I've done it. I have no idea why using a phone as a phone is considered unrealistic to you. Regardless, using a phone as a phone is as realistic as it gets. Using a phone as a phone with occasional texting (basically free) and occasional email is very realistic use of a phone. Telling anyone that using a phone as a phone is unrealistic is going to get you a look like you're an idiot every time.
As for your math, reality says they provided a worst case power draw and the quoted specs overstate the actual draw. Furthermore, it is EXTREMELY common for batteries to hold larger capacities than their rated values when they are treated nicely; especially lions and nicads. Did I mention EXTREEEEEMLY common. So one can completely ignore your math as right out of the gate, once you leave theoretical land, you're working on a false assumption. In other words, even if the CPU draw is understated, its still safe to completely ignore your math. That's the difference between theoretical and the real world.
At this point, as you constantly contradict yourself and refuse to believe factual statements, while at the same time likely have yet to check the link I even provided to you, I believe we're done.
Not really. With video you're still typically CPU bound. And even on the iPhone, any quality, showcase type game is going to load the required resources at level boundary because even the iPhone doesn't have that kind of I/O and CPU to spare without causing problems for game play.
I said, "you can see weeks", to which you said, "I'm sorry, that's simply not true...That puts the absolute upper limit at a little under 16 days".
Last I checked, 16 days is "weeks". There are 14-days in two weeks. So technically two weeks and some days is doable. I believe that still counts as weeks. But we're splitting hairs here as we both agree, that's not a realistic use of the phone nor should it be the basis of realistic expectations. I'll also note the graph at the link I provided also supports a standby time of 16 days; as extrapolated based on graphed measurement.
My position is also that the manufacturer's quoted standby times are a complete work of fiction and cannot ever be achieved by any means.
I exceed the official standby times on my G1 all the time, while realistically using my phone. I can only do so by using WiSyncPlus but regardless it is a very real and very usable use of the phone while still providing plenty of functionality. The standby time for the G1 is realistic. Do not confuse standby time with usable time. The standby time for the G1 is obtainable and realistic. But standby time is a far, far cry from talk time or actual time spent performing a useful workload.
You'll note I didn't blame anything, I simply said that in normal use smartphones generally have a crappy battery life.
I think we're talking two sides of the same coin here. I'm addressing the perception of poor battery life. Based on your comment, its fair to say, "in contrast to other smart phones, the G1 has good battery life." And that's the problem. We're really dealing with perception and semantics. The perception is, of smart phones, the G1 has especially poor life. That's the perception I disavow because its factually not true. Realistically, the G1 has very good life given its load. That's the facts.
In other words, if you walk around saying the G1 has poor battery life, people accept it as such as so much myth exists to support that position. So long as you qualify your comment of compared to non-smart phones my G1 has poor battery life, I don't have an issue with that statement. But if you state it where the perceived comment is in contrast to other smart phones, as in it has poor life, then that statement is completely misleading, factually false, and only serves to provide additional substance to what is already a run-away myth.
That's the point I'm making.
I have to say that this is one criticism I have about Android - the stock OS doesn't actually make it that easy to know when apps are draining the battery and which are responsible.
For that reason "Spare Parts" needs to be more readily available. I agree. I don't recall if its included in the OEM builds or not. It does a good job of tracking battery use, power locks, sleep/wake time, etc. Like you I do agree the results are not always obvious to the layman. As a side note, I believe its also available on the market as a free download.
People on Slashdot often seem to struggle with the idea that people might be away from a power socket for more than a few minutes. It isn't uncommon for me to be away from a power socket for a week or more. "1-3 days" just doesn't cut it.
If that's the case, then either no smart phone is a good pick for you, you need to change your expectations to be far more realistic, or you need to adjust your phone's workload to provide the mandatory life. None of those are unreasonable options.
Keep in mind, even at three days, I'm doing a fair bit of email and phone calling and a little browsing/texting. If I only did email and phone calls (length dependent), more than three days is easily achievable. Again, WiSyncPlus also helps here. I do agree it would be impossible without the likes of WiSyncPlus. From the website you can read the battery claims. Standby time is claimed to be very high. But its not realistic to expect any smart phone to be always on and yet last weeks at a time. That's the reason the Palm-Pre is doomed to horrible battery life. No phone does that without extra batteries. None. Its physically impossible and therefore very unrealistic to have such expectations. And that's what seems to confuse me. Above you readily admit no smart phone has good battery life and then you turn and seem to suggest your G1 has poor battery life while knowing full well it doesn't; and then turn again and insist it does. I don't know what to think of that.
No, it really isn't. Sure, you can get great battery life if you turn all the useful stuff off, but that isn't what most people want to do. I'm not interested in knowing what the absolute maximum battery life I might get is, I'm interested in the life I'm going to get in normal use. This is no different to car manufacturers quoting "best case" (i.e. totally unrealistic) MPG figures - it might sell well, but it is utterly meaningless since no one will ever see that kind of efficency in the real world.
Maximum battery life is not what this thread has been about. Not one bit. At least not in any form on my side. I'm talking about real world, realistic battery life. If it was about maximum battery life, easily you can see weeks on an Andro
100 hours falls into the "not great" category I'm afraid.
Then that means the iPhone is a total piece of crap. I suspect you misunderstand my statement. My statement means, 100 hours over and above what you get on the iPhone. I don't mean 100 hours or more total runtime. Those kind of numbers would be bad. Thankfully, all Android phones can easily see more runtime than an iPhone on a single charge, given comparable workloads.
I have to ask, why do you say "inferior"?
I was being sarcastic. Most consider the G1 to be inferior. Its not. How can it provide a richer experience and more battery life and still be inferior? That's my point. Dry sarcasm is tough in electronic form.
As a HTC Dream user, I am talking about my own experiences here. My own experiences tell me that in normal use the battery life of the HTC Dream sucks.
Then that's because you don't appreciate what is going on with your phone or have a poor selection of battery unfriendly applications. Both are common. Far too often people blame Android/Phone/battery for what is really ignorance or a complete disregard for what they install on their phone. I'm not saying that's you're issue, but it likely is at least a huge part of the equation.
For example, I spoke with a user that was livid about how poorly his G1's battery lasted. After talking with him, he left bluetooth and wifi on all time, even when they were not being used. But even worse, he had his twitter application polling for updates every MINUTE of the day. That means his phone never slept. He was angry his phone couldn't last the day without charging.
Realistically, the G1's battery life is better than the iPhone's. The difference is, they have drastically different workloads. If you still want better battery life and yet still want to use background communication, do checkout WiSyncPlus. Many have reported doubling their battery life. Depending on what I'm doing, I see anywhere from one to three days of battery life. And those one day charges are from TONS of web browsing, reading, emailing, and twittering, all on WIFI, plus occasional GPS.
Simply put, if you honestly believe you have poor battery life, you have a poor selection of applications (or configuration thereof), likely don't have WiSyncPlus, leave all your hardware on all the time without regard for their use, have a broken phone, have a bad battery, or have extremely weak service where you're at; especially 3G. All of which are factors which will drain the battery of all phones in existence.
I'm running the JF Cupcake 1.5 CRB43 ADP firmware.
I was running JF for a while too. Since you already have a modded rom, go get Cyanogen's image (4.0.2). You'll notice another 20%-30% increase in battery life, despite being TONS faster. From the market, install the cyanogen updater. Do a backup first. If need be, install the nandroid backup tool first. Regardless, do a backup first. I strongly urge you to do a leading reading about the upgrade process on xda first.
And just FYI, I upgraded from JF 1.5.x to CM-3.9.7 to CM-3.9.10.x to CM-4.0.1 to CM-4.0.1 and never had to wipe once.
If you don't mind spending a couple of bucks, purchase WiSyncPlus. So long as you don't require twitter updates every one minute, or equally insane, always on update rates, chances are you will notice at least some battery life improvement. And if you're a more common/casual user, chances are you'll notice huge improvements.
This is *not* misinformation, as I originally said, it is my personal experience.
That's the thing, it *ABSOLUTELY* *IS* misinformation. That's not to discount your personal experience. The point is, people constantly compare with the iPhone and conclude the G1 has horrible battery life. The fact is, under the same work load, the G1 whips the iPhone.
Furthermore, for your own experience, chances are you fall into the category where you simply don't appreciate all the work you're asking the phone to do on your behalf. And to be
AT&T is the only wild card because of their exclusive deal with Apple. AT&T was slated to have an Android phone enter the market this month. It seems they came to their senses and realized their offering was too far down on the ladder. Speculation is AT&T will still have an Android offering by the end of the year but exactly what form that offering will look like is questionable. Regardless, many are not expecting a high end offering on AT&T because it will seriously compete with the iPhone and endanger then exclusive deal. As such, most are expecting an upper-middle class offering rather than the low end offering they previously planned and canceled.
But ignoring AT&T, just about everyone else that matters in the US has already committed to at least one Android offering by the end of the year. Some will have two offerings with T-Mobile primed to *possibly* have as many as three.
I'm like you. I currently have a G1 on AT&T, sans 3G because of hardware frequency limitations. Just about everyone I know would willingly grab an Android phone if it were offered on AT&T, save one. That one person is on T-Mobile and the only reason they don't have an Android phone is because they just finished renewing their Blackberry and was locked in before they learned about Android.
On the other hand, most everyone is anticipating a very strong Android offering from Verizon as their AT&T/Apple F-U move. Verizon has been trying hard, but completely unsuccessful, to get a piece of the iPhone money. They have repeatedly been given the finger by Apple. In response, everyone expects Verizon to hit the ground running and push Android real hard. Obviously this is not fact (we'll see) but everyone involved in Android will be very surprised if the Verizon offering is crippled. In fact, they are actively attempting to lure developers to enhance the Android-Verizon experience; for whatever that means. I do know they desperately want Verizon exclusive applications to bring in the masses to both their network and Android phones.
As for Sprint, I'm not sure what to think there. It seems they are a little more timid, but far less so than AT&T to offer an Android solution. Most are expecting a toe in the water to see where it takes them. Time will tell.
Regardless, you will soon have many Android options available.
Of course, you can only do two of those at once on the iphone, so who knows what the battery life would be if it could actually multitask?
It would be far worse, which is why they don't allow it. G1s can already exceed iPhones in standby battery life, when operating like-loads. Therefore its not unreasonable to jump to the conclusion the same would hold true if the iPhone were made to allow multitasking like Android.
a 16GB class 6 SD card runs about $50. even that is going to have much slower transfer rates that the iPhone's SIM based memory.
Right, but you don't need fast memory to play music. Basically it winds up waiting on IO and as its far from IO bound to play music, that's not a problem. Generally speaking, on an Android phone, the primary purpose of SD is to carry our music around.
Besides, I paid roughly $50 to a 16GB class 6, months ago and that came with a reader. Chances are it can be had for cheaper now.
In the end, the point is moot.
The battery life isn't great, which is also a problem for the iPhone, but the HTC Dream lets me replace the battery, so if I'm going to be away from power for a long time I can just take a couple of spares, which is completely out for the iPhone.
I really, really wish people would stop saying that. The battery life is actually pretty good and with some simple software, can be made even better while still providing more functionality that is available to iPhone users. Contrary to the apples to apples comparison iPhone users always portray, Android runs background services and can therefore, carry a workload during periods which are simply impossible on the iPhone. In other words, what they portray an an apples to apples comparison is actually an apples to oranges on 'riods comparison. A steady workload means steady battery consumption. There is nothing you can do about that other than limit the different in workloads. If you want your battery to last longer, make it run on par with the iPhone's limited workload. Doing so is trivially easy and many software solutions for Android already exist to do so.
Additionally, you can install software like WiSyncPlus, which for many, drastically extends battery life. With WiSyncPlus you can easily obtain 100+ hours, or more, over what iPhone users have, assuming an iPhone-like workload. And best of all, with WiSyncPlus you can still achieve workloads on your device which will still make iPhone users envious. Simply put, with readily available software solutions, an inferior G1 can still provide more functionality AND MORE BATTERY LIFE.
Simply put, the battery life on the G1 is actually FAR better than what iPhone users have. Period. The questions is, are you using your phone to create a proper comparison. Most Android phone users do not. If you want longer battery life, get WiSyncPlus for a couple of bucks. If you want multiple batteries, drop $30-$60 each. Or, you can actually limit yourself and your phone to the reduced workloads of an iPhone and still have longer battery life.
Long story short, please, please, please story propagating the horrible misinformation that G1s have poor battery life. This has not been true since "cupcake" was release. The simply truth of the matter is, G1's have been battery life and iPhone 3G and 3GS. Even better, battery life continues to improve as Android evolves. So please stop parroting the misinformation feed to everyone by iPhone fanboys.
I wish more people would let others know about WiSyncPlus. I'm so tired of hearing about poor battery life; especially from other Android users. At this point there is no excuse for Android users to complain about poor battery life.
I don't use tethering much but one the rare occasion I have, its been a real life saver. Tethering capability is a must for smart phone owner as far as I'm concerned; be it Android or other. The fact Android users can install third party applications is a real blessing. Tethering is just one bonus available to Android users.
Also, don't forget you can change the WIFI sleep behavior in the advanced settings. This too can improve usability and/or power savings, depending on you use and what you expect from your phone. Menu -> settings -> Wireless controls -> Wi-Fi settings -> menu -> Advanced -> Wi-Fi sleep policy. The settings is pretty well hidden but can really change a user's WIFI experience.
Battery life is a joke. It's a smart-phone with a bright color display and the old Razr battery.
Not true. You can see longer battery life with a G1 than you can with the iPhone 3G or 3Gs. An application called WiSyncPlus goes a long way toward forcing a more "iPhone-like" operating profile. When running as such, users can observe up to 100+ hours more battery life than what the iPhone is seeing. Commonly people are seeing 1 day between charges if they twitter/facebook/email/im lots; which is impossible to the same degree with an iPhone. Those who are more conservative with their choice of applications see 1-2 days between charges. Those two groups typically see 2-3 days between charges with WiSyncPlus installed. Those who typically use their device more as a phone and occasionally as a smart device, combined with WiSyncPlus, can go a week between charges.
Furthermore, after Android 1.5 ("cupcake") was released, battery life improved considerably. Those that parrot poor battery life for any Android handset are either ignorant of the facts or pushing an agenda. Simple fact is, battery life is much better after the release of cupcake. With applications like WiSyncPlus, battery life can actually exceed, by far, the battery life of iPhone users. And even better, battery life continues to improve with additional Android improvements. Those users running "donut" derived Android are seeing yet additionally improved battery life; over and above that seen with "cupcake."
Instead, you get a kludge-cord that connects your headset through the power jack.
Not sure why that's a "kludge" other than an attempt to paint it very negatively. Most don't consider a multiple purpose port to be a "kludge" unless you're trying to push an agenda. Many multipurpose adapters are available which provide a multitude of options from a single port. While I do agree, a dedicated 3mm port would be better, that's still a far cry from a "kludge". Despite not having a dedicated 3mm port, the fact you have purchase an inexpensive adapter which provides a 2mm or 3mm port plus additional features while still exposing the USB port, is many things, but definitely not a "kludge" to be painted in negative light.
The camera takes butt-ugly pictures
Not sure where you got that bad information. For its MP rating, the pictures are actually very nice. I've shown pictures to people who asked about the source. They believed it was from a dedicated point-n-shoot having a higher MP rating. The simple fact is, the image quality is actually quite good.
The speaker is too quite. You can't hear your call or music in traffic or on a plane
Where are you getting your factually incorrect information from?!? The speaker is very loud. I can listen to music while I'm in the shower, with the phone ten feet away, playing over its internal speaker. Granted, like all tiny speakers, fidelity is what it is, but loudness is definitely not a problem unless unless you require a 100 watt amp for your hearing aid.
Cheap construction - the glass lens cover on mine broke when I dropped the phone 2 feet onto carpet.
Complete bullshit. The G1 is very well built and very tough. I've dropped my from waist high over carpet and didn't as much get a scratch. I've also fumbled it over title. It didn't receive a strictly vertical strike but its horizontal velocity had it traveling pretty fast. It stopped after it bounced off the wall, having skipped across the floor. Not issues. For this one I did have it in plastic armor. Even then, I would have only expected scratches.
Obviously you're a scared iPhone fanboy who can see the writing on the wall. You Apple/Iphone is quickly becoming eclipsed and simply isn't as "cool" as it once was because of Android. There isn't a iPhone 3Gs user that doesn't owe a thank you to Google/Android.
The phone is ugly, and has a small display when compared
On the downside the battery life on all except the BBerry is horrendous.
For Android users, poor battery life is often a complaint. This is because of always on connectivity combined with its awesome multitasking capabilities. An application called WiSyncPlus (http://www.gearsoft.mobi/wisyncplus.html) drastically improves battery life for most users. Many claim to have doubled or better their battery life. Its also popular with overseas users where unlimited data plans are not as common and/or required. For these users WiSyncPlus provides a means to both increase battery life and control monthly costs.
First and foremost, Android ABSOLUTELY HAS TAKEN OFF. Anyone that says otherwise is either lying or an Apple plant/fanboy. Period.
To say Android has not taken off is to say the iPhone is a complete failure. Period. This is of course, not true. The simple fact is, contrary to the complete bullshit provided in the article, Android has MATCHED or EXCEEDED the iPhone at every market metric. So saying Android is a failure is absolutely saying the iPhone is a failure. In short, FACTUALLY SPEAKING, the article is complete bullshit.
Every market projection thus far, places Android exceeding the iPhone by 2012 - which isn't that far away. And every expert agrees, contrary to the absolute bullshit of the article, the fact that Android has been able to grab as much market, to the detriment of both Blackberry and Apple, so quickly, very much validates Android is rapidly succeeding. Period.
In short, the article is best used to wipe ones ass because just about every aspect of the article is complete bullshit. Everything they spin as negative is actually validation of a positive. Bluntly, the article is either a plant by Apple or an Apple fanboy. The truth is, Apple is/was forced to refocus their development efforts and hardware with their most recent offers specifically because of Google/Android/G1. If Android were such a failure, despite meeting or exceeding every iPhone milestone, Apple wouldn't be changing gears to keep up and/or adopt. When the market leading is forced to change plans, you have absolute validation of a market threat. A market failure is never a threat.
To summarize - the article is absolute bullshit as supported by the market and every market fact. The fact these bullshit articles are seeing the light of day is very real validate that someone is VERY, VERY, VERY SCARED of Android. As it directly compares with Apple, obviously the writer sees the day where Apples is playing third fiddle. The sad truth is, they are already rosening up their second fiddle - proof of these bullshit articles and Apple's recent publicity and/or the SDK/hardware offerings.
Exactly, as soon as there is a good andriod phone on a network with 3g in my area that doesn't restrict my ability to install applications I'm going to take it.
Then you'll have options available within the next 20-60 days. On Android, you can install third party applications - they just may not be available from the market. Unlike the iPhone, the platform is open.
Both the G1 and ADP1 are quad band but neither can physically support 3G on AT&T network. While the radio can technically support 3G on AT&T, the hardware required to drive the radio was not including on the board - presumably to same money. Many people are using G1/ADP1 on AT&T but give up 3G service in doing so. EDGE and GPRS work fine.
In the US that is tied to the lack of CDMA support.
Android now has CDMA support. Full support is including in Donut.
Number 1 Verizon and number 3 Sprint are CDMA.
Both of which will have an Android offering by the end of the year. Depending on which rumors you believe, Verizon and Sprint, between them, will have two to five Android handsets available by the end of the year. Some of the five may be launched as late as first quarter of next year. Regardless, you will see at least one Android offering from both Verizon and Sprint by the end of this year and likely within the next 20-60 days.
Add in that HTC is heavy into Windows Mobil
HTC has publicly stated they are and have been refocusing on Android as their primary OS. Android allows them to target all tiers of the phone market while WinMo allows allows them to target the high end. Their refocusing efforts have been in effect since the beginning of 2009.
Motorola the be the exclusive hardware partner.
While not exclusive, it might as well be. Motorola is in fairly bad shape these days and direly needs a serious success. Its well known Motorola has been retooling to put significant engery behind Android. As Android now supports CDMA and GSM on the same platform, by the end of the year, every major US carrier will have an Android offering. World wide, over twenty (as many as twenty five) Android handsets will be available. Come September/October, in the US alone, the numbers will begin to rise.
I just got a myTouch 3G so basically I can say that yes I do like it over the iPhone for the sole reason of multitasking but the problem for now is the hardware. It lags a lot.
That's actually a software problem and not hardware. The hardware is plenty fast. The next Android update goes a long way toward both drastically improving performance and reducing lag. I recently read the next Hero update drastically reduces latency to be on par with the iPhone. In short, latency is the only detractor when comparing the iPhone vs Android. And that difference is rapidly disappearing.
The only thing iPhone has over Android at the moment is hardware.
Not true. Android has had superior and/or competitive hardware from the word go. The problem is Android is still young and working hard to mature. As Android matures its able to better use the available hardware. Even with Android being less mature than the iPhone, Android already offers features which iPhone users can only dream and drool.
If you want to see what a low memory Android phone can do, check out Cyanogen's image for the G1. Performance is drastically faster while maintaining backwards compatibility. And keep in mind, Dalvik, the VM which all Android applications run, is still very immature. Give it another six months and performance will be through the roof. In a year or so, when Dalvik has some advanced VM capabilities and even perhaps a JIT, Android will be truly be kicking ass.
People buy phones to make a statement,
Not true. *SOME* people buy phones to make a statement. Others buy a phone for functionality. Those that want to make a statement buy something like a Hero or an iPhone. Those that actually want functionality from their phone buy something like a G1. The physical keyboard provides a huge boost for utilitarian users. That's a fact.
Really, when it comes to the G1, IMOHO, it highlights just how petty people can be. The phone really isn't bad looking in the least and so many have made such a big deal about the "chin" which is 100% completely a non-issue unless you're petty for the sake of petty, for the sole purpose of creating an issue which doesn't exist. Which is understandable as the G1 is a better phone than the iPhone 3G; so they needed something to try to make themselves feel better for owning the "cool" inferior phone. The simple fact is, all iPhone users owe Android/G1 for the features available in the iPhone 3Gs. Excluding memory and the jump in ogl es 2.0 support, the G1 is superior hardware.
As a side note, the G1 supports the majority of ogl es 2.0 in hardware/software but the Android platform doesn't. That's coming.
But do you think Verizon would even -allow- a phone with Android to run?
Yes! All major US carriers will have at least one Android phone available by the end of the year - including Verizon and AT&T. By the end of the year, over 20 different phones will be available around the world. Verizon is actually very excited about their public offering. They've been repeated denied a piece of the iPhone pie and as such, are fully expected to make Android be their f-u AT&T/Apple move.
Sorry. "Expectation of anonymity"? Where did that come from? I don't think anyone should ever expect anonymity.
Then companies should never allow the use of anything other than people's real names. By allowing the use of an alias people have the legitimate expectation of aninimity. Aninimity is also considered an important requisite for privacy and even democracy. In short, your , "I don't think...", statement flies in the face very reasonable assumption/expectations.
Clearly the technology is too advanced to manufacture.