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Military Helmet Design Contributes To Brain Damage

BuzzSkyline writes "Improvements in helmets have helped modern soldiers survive bullets and blasts that would have killed them in past wars. But increasing numbers of soldiers are suffering long lasting brain damage from explosions, partly as a result of what appears to be a flaw in helmet designs. Although the blast itself may not accelerate the brain inside a soldier's head enough to cause injury, shockwaves that make it through the space between a helmet and a soldier's head can cause the skull to flex, leading to ripples in the skull that can create damaging pressures in the brain. Simulations that relied on 'code originally designed to simulate how a detonated weapon rattles a building or tank' could lead to new helmets that reduce the traumatic brain injuries that many soldiers suffer as a result of improvised explosive devices and other moderate-sized blasts. The research is due to be published in Physical Review Letters, but a pre-print of the entire article is currently available on the Physics ArXiv."

294 comments

  1. In other news... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

    Green military uniforms have also been observed to be a cause of brain damage, proportional to the number of stars on the uniform.

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    1. Re:In other news... by Starcub · · Score: 4, Funny

      A truely scientific study would measure the amount of brain damage a person had prior to entering the military and figure out how to discount brain damage accrued as a result of non-combat related factors associated with being in the military.

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What my brigadier general (ret.) uncle said - paraphrasing: It takes talent and intelligence to get to Colonel, after that it's politics.

    3. Re:In other news... by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think that a scientific study for determining just how much military helmets actually contribute to brain damage when the soldier is exposed to an explosion would start by base-lining the brain conditions of 50 or so soldiers. Then, expose them all to the same explosion at the same stand-off orientation, half of them wearing helmets and half without. Then, re-test.

      If the guys without their helmets on come out behind the guys wearing helmets, we should re-title this, "Military Helmet Design Fails to Completely Prevent Brain Damage".

      Still, if they can model it up and do better, that sounds great.

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    4. Re:In other news... by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, observational studies are still scientific. There are plenty of hypotheses that can be tested without randomized controlled trials.

      You're not going to claim that if astronomers really wanted to be scientific, they would start their research by gathering up a bunch of hydrogen and piling it together in empty space and then watching what happens, are you?

      It's also entirely possible your test methodology would fail. The helmet could well be preventing acute injury resulting in death (shrapnel through the skull), but increasing the diffuse brain damage to other parts of the brain. However, the death due to acute injury would make the diffuse injury rate difficult to determine. Preventing death but causing brain damage is clearly an improvement, but it doesn't mean the helmet merely "failed to completely prevent" the brain damage, if the brain damage wouldn't have occurred without it.

      Sometimes science is hard. It's still science, though, even if your "ideal" test methodology is impractical.

    5. Re:In other news... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Blasphemy.
      You get your sound reasoning out of here.

      Come back when you've stocked up on lies, hyperbole, and FUD.

    6. Re:In other news... by csartanis · · Score: 1

      The title of this article is misleading. Without these helmets the soldiers would likely be dead but instead they have brain damage caused by survived explosions, not the helmet.

    7. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here's the hitch: Service personnel are screened rather thoroughly for any potentially disqualifying medically significant incidents prior to being enlisted/commissioned. Almost any prior head trauma for which medical attention was sought would be a disqualifying factor, unless medical review showed (with a very high degree of certainty) no lasting impairment. As a result, while a few might slip through the cracks here and there, you're not going to find a significant number of personnel entering the service with prior brain damage. You might be surprised what sort of prior medical issues can disqualify someone from military service.

    8. Re:In other news... by gnick · · Score: 1

      You're not going to claim that if astronomers really wanted to be scientific, they would start their research by gathering up a bunch of hydrogen and piling it together in empty space and then watching what happens, are you?

      I'm not an astronomer and I understand your point. But if you can get that project funded, I want on the team. 'Cuz that would be about the most bad-ass experiment ever conducted. Move over LRC, we've got something better cookin'.

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    9. Re:In other news... by gnick · · Score: 1

      * LHC *
      Oops.

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    10. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he's just complaining that "contributing" isn't really fair. It implies that brain damage would be less if no helmets were worn. This is obviously false, as the helmet prevents, not contributes to, brain damage. Now, maybe it doesn't effectively prevent all brain damage; instead the helment prevents some brain damage that would kill someone, but not certain types of non-lethal damage.

      As such, it's more accurate to say, "military helmest to be improved to further prevent brain damage" or "military helmets do not prevent all brain damage".

      Or, more simply: words have meaning. People should learn to use them.

    11. Re:In other news... by Gilmoure · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was underweight for my height (5'10" / 115 lbs). After spending 6 months trying to gain weight, was able to get a waver and go in to basic. 4 years later, had managed to gain 12 lbs. Out on the flight line, they called me Stickman. I was able to get in through small access holes (KC-135's) and fix stuff that would have taken an extra hour of work to remove larger pieces of skin. Got a decent amount of free booze for helping speed up repairs.

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    12. Re:In other news... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      That's uncertain, the helmet protects against projectiles but shockwaves are another thing entirely. If the helmet wasn't hit by a projectile it probably didn't prevent a death either.

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    13. Re:In other news... by karlwilson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Completely Prevent? Your brain is either damaged or it isn't. There really isn't an inbetween there.

    14. Re:In other news... by vlm · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think that a scientific study for determining just how much military helmets actually contribute to brain damage when the soldier is exposed to an explosion would start by base-lining the brain conditions of 50 or so soldiers. Then, expose them all to the same explosion at the same stand-off orientation, half of them wearing helmets and half without. Then, re-test.

      In summary, run them thru the ASVAB after the incident and compare the before and after scores.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Services_Vocational_Aptitude_Battery

      The main problem is the ASVAB was redesigned in '02 and rescored in '04. If it were not for that, you could just run them thru the full battery of MEPS tests (Military Enlistment Processing Station).

      One problem is the soldiers not wearing helmets are more likely to be inside the vehicle, so you're measuring truck drivers vs infantry instead of helmet vs non-helmet. Even if you correct for MOS (military occupational specialty, essentially your military job title), that still does not compare wearing helmet vs not wearing helmet, but merely means comparing lazyness stupidity or likelihood of disobeying orders vs not.

      Running a real world experiment is complicated enough, that you're better off modeling brain hydrodynamics.

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    15. Re:In other news... by popeye44 · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's new. When I went through they asked me about head injuries but didn't disqualify me for having spent the night in a hospital with a concussion. no x-rays etc just a couple questions and on my way.

      He did ask me four times if I ever smoked marijuana. I guess their priorities have changed since then.

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    16. Re:In other news... by tonywong · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The should use orange goo.

      http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/31/0627236/The-Orange-Goo-That-Could-Save-Your-Laptop?art_pos=1

    17. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 2, Informative

      You remind me of a friend I had in the Navy. Especially on submarines, it's not always a good thing to be able to fit into tight spaces, although I must say my buddy was well regarded among the crew. Ah, the things he could clean...

    18. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      The only change I can discern is the increased focus on prior medical issues. Maybe it's because I was a radioman, but they seemed to have an awful lot of questions about prior drug use, somehow phrased a little differently each time.

    19. Re:In other news... by Quothz · · Score: 1

      Here's the hitch: Service personnel are screened rather thoroughly for any potentially disqualifying medically significant incidents prior to being enlisted/commissioned. Almost any prior head trauma for which medical attention was sought would be a disqualifying factor, unless medical review showed (with a very high degree of certainty) no lasting impairment.

      Not true. I joined the Army a few years after a head wound requiring hospitalization and there was no special review of it. I even qualified for a security clearance.

    20. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You wouldn't have qualified for submarine duty. I'm surprised you got cleared for Army service, unless (as I stated previously) there was no lasting impairment from the original injury. I assure you, an Army medical officer did review your medical history thoroughly prior to your acceptance into the service. The clearance part really doesn't have a lot to do with it, as about 99% of all personnel wearing a uniform are required to maintain at least a Secret clearance. As you're no doubt aware, higher clearances are reviewed with increased scrutiny.

      That said, I do thank you for your service, and I'm glad your didn't have lasting impairment from a prior injury that would have made service impossible for you. Far too many people would probably have attempted to skate out of doing their duty in a time of war by claiming unsuitability for service. The fact that you took your oath means something.

    21. Re:In other news... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think he's just complaining that "contributing" isn't really fair. It implies that brain damage would be less if no helmets were worn. This is obviously false, as the helmet prevents, not contributes to, brain damage.

      No, it isn't obviously false, because it is possible that a poor helmet design could increase brain damage in situations where without the helmet a lesser amount or no damage would occur.

      In fact based on their simulations they believe that this is the case, that the helmet can actually act as a funnel for the shockwave and increase the force felt by the skull. Based on the fact that it is a simulation, I'm sure they pile up enough "could"s or "possibly"s to make even the most nitpicky slashdotter happy, and thus the claim is completely fair.

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    22. Re:In other news... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      In my case, hydraulic lines and actuators. Got really good a fixing those things.

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    23. Re:In other news... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Oh shit, I forgot to be snarky! It must be Monday...

      Or, more simply: words have meaning. People should learn to use them.

      Yeah, words have meaning. And there are a bunch of words in something we call "the fucking article", which you should "read", so that you can learn that the use of the word "contributing" is exactly correct.

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    24. Re:In other news... by mobby_6kl · · Score: 0, Troll

      Huh, I thought brain damage was a prerequisite for joining the military voluntarily. Did they relax or drop that requirement too once they started running out of manpower?

    25. Re:In other news... by plover · · Score: 1

      That's exactly why my colonel (ret.) uncle decided to put the (ret.) after his name once he made full-bird.

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      John
    26. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      think you're mixing cause and result, stars on green uniforms are the result of insane heroic deeds, the insaner the stuff you do on the battlefield the more chance to get you promoted.
      Think about it, if you get a bunch on nuts to pick from, who are you going to give a star to if it ain't the nuttiest of them all...

    27. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      I guess you're trying for humor here, but I don't find your statement terribly amusing (maybe I'm just feeding a troll). I put my career as a programmer on hold at age 25 to enlist in the Navy as a submariner, did my duty, and now I'm back to writing code and working on Linux virtualization for a living. I'm glad I served; what have you done lately that's bigger than you?

    28. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what have you done lately that's bigger than you?

      Something I'd refrain from asking desperate single guys who may have access to large farm animals.

    29. Re:In other news... by Quothz · · Score: 1

      Far too many people would probably have attempted to skate out of doing their duty in a time of war by claiming unsuitability for service. The fact that you took your oath means something.

      Huh. I guess I just wasn't aware of the review. Thanks t'you in turn for serving; in fairness, the only "war" during my time was retconned from a police-type action: Bosnia. I lost a buddy from AIT over there, but didn't personally see an enemy from my cushy stateside post at Fitzsimons.

      "They also serve who only stand and wait", I know, but my hat's off t'those who stand in front of bullets* instead.

      *Yeah, or torpedoes, or shells, or what-have-you. Me, I stood in front of an oscilloscope, which isn't quite the same.

    30. Re:In other news... by adolf · · Score: 1

      Pro tip: Real flamebait isn't posted anon.

    31. Re:In other news... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know, observational studies are still scientific. There are plenty of hypotheses that can be tested without randomized controlled trials.

      Not really. Observational studies are generally shodily researched, poorly implemented, have less than 50 data points and no controls, and are sloshed around in a statistical package until the numbers come out. They're generally done by people who have come to a conclusion and now need to dress it up with a "scientific study".

      Which isn't to say that a good observational trial cannot take place. They just don't usually take place nowadays.

      Sometimes science is hard. It's still science, though, even if your "ideal" test methodology is impractical.

      And sometimes it is so hard some people just give up and fudge everything until they get what they want. The ideal test methodology is an honest to goodness experiment. You're either doing experiments, or you're gassing.

      Mythbusters can and do make a better effort at the scientific method than most modern, think tank funded studies. They put ideas to the test. Most studies simply data mine.

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    32. Re:In other news... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2

      I'm glad I served; what have you done lately that's bigger than you?

      I salute your desire to serve something "bigger than you".

      However, I regret that this desire was twisted into service to the U.S. military, perpetrator of brutal and stupid foreign policy for generations. War was, and remains, a racket. I'm certainly not going to say that you have to be "brain damaged" to join -- many intelligent people fall for cons, after all.

      There are many ways to serve something "bigger than you" that do not involve supporting the military-industrial complex.

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    33. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "you're not going to find a significant number of personnel entering the service with prior brain damage."

      That's a "whooosh" for you.

      The parent implied that there *is* significant brain damage as stated by the fact that the study subject already signed for service.

      "You might be surprised what sort of prior medical issues can disqualify someone from military service."

      Maybe too high an IQ (about 100) is one of them?

    34. Re:In other news... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Oh, I ate. Dorm was next door to SAC chow hall. Served food 24/7. I ate four meals a day there, for three years and only gained a few pounds. Nothing like a 19 year old metabolism. Now, 22 years and 100 lbs later, yeah, wouldn't mind those days again.

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    35. Re:In other news... by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      The good news is, they did do the research to provide an alternate design required to keep our troops safe. Hopefully it will be manufactured and deployed sooner rather than later.

    36. Re:In other news... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      The helmet could well be preventing acute injury resulting in death (shrapnel through the skull), but increasing the diffuse brain damage to other parts of the brain. However, the death due to acute injury would make the diffuse injury rate difficult to determine. Preventing death but causing brain damage is clearly an improvement, but it doesn't mean the helmet merely "failed to completely prevent" the brain damage, if the brain damage wouldn't have occurred without it.

      Maybe it's just my layman's naivety, but I would think that a sharp piece of metal piercing your skull would qualify as "brain damage".

    37. Re:In other news... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Completely Prevent? Your brain is either damaged or it isn't. There really isn't an inbetween there.

      I would submit that there's a slight difference between 1) trouble moving your left hand and slurred speech, 2) unable to speak or move anything on the left side of your body, and 3) dead.

    38. Re:In other news... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "The title of this article is misleading."

      Your (lacky) reading comprehension misleads you.

      "Without these helmets the soldiers would likely be dead"

      So what?

      "but instead they have brain damage caused by survived explosions, not the helmet."

      The f* article clearly states that the brain damage, even after "improvised explosive devices and other moderate-sized blasts" is a direct effect of the dynamics of the blasting *interacting* with the helmet.

      If you have a car crash that otherwise would have kill you and your security belt saves your life but still seriously cuts through your neck due to its design, your neck damage is a result of the security belt's design, isn't it?

    39. Re:In other news... by b4upoo · · Score: 1

      Although I am always grateful that we have brave soldiers who sacrifice so much for us I still must say that one need not even make it into the military to acquire brain damage. Simply having a desire to be in the military is proof enough that brain damage exists. Wanting to be in a combat position is proof of stark raving insanity.

    40. Re:In other news... by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      > what have you done lately that's bigger than you?

      I was mostly joking so don't take that as a personal insult. But since you want this to be more serious, well for once I did not put myself in a position where I would be responsible for killing people on the whim of others, contribute to the growth of the military-industrial complex, or further proliferation of (nuclear) weapons. I'm quite proud of this.

    41. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your (lacky) reading comprehension misleads you.

      wat

      It looks to me like the brain damage is caused by explosions and not the helmet. The brain damage is a secondary effect that isn't seen if the soldier had been f'ing dead without the helmet. Read more, imo.

    42. Re:In other news... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Your (lacky) reading comprehension misleads you.
      wat"

      QED.

    43. Re:In other news... by evanbd · · Score: 1

      The helmet could well be preventing acute injury resulting in death (shrapnel through the skull), but increasing the diffuse brain damage to other parts of the brain. However, the death due to acute injury would make the diffuse injury rate difficult to determine. Preventing death but causing brain damage is clearly an improvement, but it doesn't mean the helmet merely "failed to completely prevent" the brain damage, if the brain damage wouldn't have occurred without it.

      Maybe it's just my layman's naivety, but I would think that a sharp piece of metal piercing your skull would qualify as "brain damage".

      Which is why I was careful to use qualifier words. Shock waves tend to cause diffuse brain damage of a qualitatively different sort than shrapnel. The helmet prevented the acute brain damage from the shrapnel, but caused or contributed to the diffuse damage from the shock wave by making it worse than it would have been. The helmet prevented one sort, but caused another. It's still accurate to say it caused the [increase in] diffuse shockwave-induced damage.

    44. Re:In other news... by wallsg · · Score: 1

      A truely scientific study would measure the amount of brain damage a person had prior to entering the military and figure out how to discount brain damage accrued as a result of non-combat related factors associated with being in the military.

      Ha ha. So you think anyone who joins the military and puts his ass on the line for all of us is an idiot for you to mock. How hilarious. No, actually, how sad. And how sad that you would be modded "funny".

    45. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take that helmet off and stop messing around!

    46. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someday I hope they look into reducing deaths and injuries in civilians. Isn't it the duty of the soldiers to risk their lives? Seems they are always better protected than the people they are supposed to be protecting.

    47. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh gods. This would give a whole new meaning to "double-blind study" ...

    48. Re:In other news... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      It implies that brain damage would be less if no helmets were worn. This is obviously false, as the helmet prevents, not contributes to, brain damage.

      Or more accurately, it prevents brain damage from one mechanism at the risk of causing brain damage by another mechanism. You can get strangled by your car seatbelt in an accident, but wearing seatbelts is still an overall safety win for most people.

      What concerns me is there's now going to be a rush of people trying to sue the armed forces for possible brain injuries "caused" by this design of helmet, without looking at the bigger picture. The design may not have been perfect but it was better than no helmet at all, and it's only fairly recently that we've been able to model these things with any accuracy. Without some sort of proof that the design of the helmet was causing problems, most people would assume that the brain damage was really just an artifact of the blast.

    49. Re:In other news... by baboo_jackal · · Score: 1

      Current seatbelt designs have been shown to contribute to shoulder and abdominal injuries.

    50. Re:In other news... by mcvos · · Score: 1

      what have you done lately that's bigger than you?

      I don't know about him, but I recently joined the international fight against censorship. That, and I'm quite active in my church.

      There are ways to contribute to something bigger than yourself without putting yourself and others in unreasonable danger.

    51. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Applying for the military is a sign of lasting impairment. Therefore the medical tests are there only to avoid lawsuits and ascertain a minimum IQ so the soldier will not shit himself too frequently and can follow simple orders.

      The capthcha for this post was 'warship'. I love slashdot.

    52. Re:In other news... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > You know, observational studies are still scientific.
      > There are plenty of hypotheses that can be tested
      > without randomized controlled trials.

      I don't think it counts as "testing" if you just go over the existing data again rather than constructing an experiment that could actually falsify the hypothesis if it happens to be incorrect.

      > You're not going to claim that if astronomers really
      > wanted to be scientific, they would start their
      > research by gathering up a bunch of hydrogen and
      > piling it together in empty space and then watching

      That wouldn't be practical.

      But I will claim that the construction of theoretical models about that sort of thing (how stars form, etc) in the manner in which it IS practiced is not science in the strictest sense, i.e., they are not using scientific methodology. Frankly it has more in common with philosophy than science, since the primary mechanism for vetting ideas is running them by other respected persons and attempting to reach a consensus.

      That way lies madness. You can end up with entire generations believing almost anything, if you accept that kind of methodology as "scientific" and then unquestioningly believe whatever comes out the other end of it.

      In popular culture we have come to use the word "science" to mean pretty much any kind of study, almost no matter how it's conducted, but scientists should know the difference. Frankly, educated people in general should know the difference between true science and some of the malarkey that passes for "science".

      Incidentally, it is not my intention to hold up the scientific method as the only valid methodology for obtaining reliable information. There are other good methodologies, and in fact I know of some that are MORE reliable than science. (Most obviously, there is an extremely rigorous methodology used in mathematics that, when properly executed, makes even the best science look like guesswork. But it wouldn't be practical to apply that methodology to everything.)

      But I do think it's important to know the methodology by which conclusions were reached and to understand that some methodologies are more reliable than others. It is my considered opinion that indiscriminately calling everything "science" blurs those distinctions and thus obscures important information. Getting information from a theoretical model is NOT the same thing as getting it from a series of experiments crafted to allow incorrect ideas to be disproven.

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    53. Re:In other news... by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      I think that a scientific study for determining just how much military helmets actually contribute to brain damage when the soldier is exposed to an explosion would start by base-lining the brain conditions of 50 or so soldiers.

      I know you intended to post snark, but this part is particularly interesting because getting a solid baseline on the cognitive functioning of a large number of soldiers is a really good idea. It is very difficult to diagnose mild TBI, such as post-concussion syndrome. I spoke at a conference with a speech-language pathologist who works at Walter Reed about this and they were being asked whether of not their patients can return to action and there's really no scientifically verified way to answer that question. The problem is that they get a functional evaluation after their injury, and there is nothing to compare their functioning to except population norms.
      I worked in brain injury rehabilitation for years and had the same problems, but it was a lot easier for me, an occupational therapist, and a vocational rehab councilor to assess a person and say "Go back to work" since my civilian patients weren't going back to such a life-or-death work environment.

      Fails to Completely Prevent Brain Damage".

      Still, if they can model it up and do better, that sounds great.

      Yeah, that's pretty much what TFA said.
      There probably is a helmet model that can better cushion the pressure wave in a blast without compromising its ability to stop projectiles. They need to run more computer models.

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    54. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I choose to refrain from all activities that require the use of the helmet. There mere fact that you have to wear a helmet is bad news for said activity.

      -- gid

    55. Re:In other news... by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      you're not going to find a significant number of personnel entering the service with prior brain damage.,

      Post-concussion syndrome is exceptionally difficult to diagnose. Will the military really turn away the captain of the high school football team because of his six or seven concussions?

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    56. Re:In other news... by Starcub · · Score: 1

      Regardless of people may think, military service is a part of the death industry. The same people that ask for you to serve "your country" are often responsible for creating the problem to begin with. If you're a Christian, you should know better.

    57. Re:In other news... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You want us to read the fucking article? Are you new here or something?

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    58. Re:In other news... by wallsg · · Score: 1

      Sure. We haven't needed any of that Evil Death Industry since the Revolutionary War. Or maybe after the War of 1812. Or maybe we needed it then but not since the Civil War. And I'm sure that WW-I was a complete waste. If we wouldn't have had all those Evil Death Ships in Pearl Harbor maybe we could have sat out WW-II. I'm sure the Europeans, Australians, Chinese, and Pacific Islanders could have handled it alone just like they were before we stuck our noses in, unwanted and uninvited. And we sure the hell didn't need any sort of defense at all during that trumped-up Cold War. We should have just completely stood down after WW-II, disbanded the armed forces, and stopped all weapons research. I'm sure the Soviets and Chinese would have done exactly the same and we would all have just been such wonderful friends. Or if not, the UN would have protected us.

      Isn't it just too bad how it's all our own damn fault for provoking everyone into hating us for the past 233 years, and how everything bad that's happened in the world is because of something Evil we did? I guess we should have just stayed compliant crown colonies so that the world would have been a better place. Of course you'd have New France to the west of the Mississippi until it ran into the northern part of Mexico and the eastern part of Russia extending down to about Oregon or California.

      Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up tilling the ground for others. It has never not been that way. Why would it be any different now?

    59. Re:In other news... by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      I don't think it counts as "testing" if you just go over the existing data again rather than constructing an experiment that could actually falsify the hypothesis if it happens to be incorrect.

      Going over existing data is only a problem if you actually used that data to produce the model. "Existing data" says absolutely nothing about how it was collected, and if the collection was useful enough, you can perfectly well reuse the data.

    60. Re:In other news... by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      TFA does state: "The helmet acts as a windscoop, so the pressure between the skull and helmet is larger than the blast wave by itself." So apparently it *does* contribute to brain damage in *some* cases. Of course, the benefits of the new design against stopping shrapnel may outstrip the deficiencies it has in dealing with blasts, but you're right that anything they can model and improve on is great. In any case, it's still a bad headline :P

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    61. Re:In other news... by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      A little known fact about the helmets is that the first prototype was just a handkerchief with a few knots.

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    62. Re:In other news... by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      >>You know, observational studies are still scientific. There are plenty of hypotheses that can be >>tested without randomized controlled trials.
      >
      > Not really. Observational studies are generally shodily researched, poorly implemented, have less
      > than 50 data points and no controls, and are sloshed around in a statistical package until the
      > numbers come out. They're generally done by people who have come to a conclusion and now need to
      > dress it up with a "scientific study".

      I ahve to agree, though, at the same time, you can't just say "Because its observational, its badly done". A poorly done study is a poorly done study.

      One of the more enlightening things I read on the subject was the comments on a UK study on the effects of cannabis on driving. They went over previous studies, and it was something of a look into "How not to study this".

      Previous studies did such things as:
      - Look at crash statistics that don't differenciate THC ingestion from THC + other drugs (including alcohol). This mistake was made to such an extent that the majority of data that was being used was data from drivers who had BOTH drugs in their system.

      and

      - Give cannabis to people who were not users and had no history of use, and study their driving.

      Their study was better, in that it attempted to correct these by using test subjects who were current users. Lo and Behold, it came to wildly different conclusions than all the previous studies. (found little impairment and that experienced users tended to overcompensate for their impairment to the point that they found no increased risk)

      The thing is... with so many bad studies out there... how do we know whats real? I have seen major headlines declaring a medical links being found between behaviour and disease that turned out to be based on an insignificant sample of people from a study that was looking at something else entirely.

      -Steve

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    63. Re:In other news... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Current seatbelt designs have been shown to contribute to shoulder and abdominal injuries."

      Yes, you got more or less the point. Now for a nearer for the bulleye, what if you found "current seatbelt designs have been shown to contribute to *avoidable* shoulder and abdominal injuries"? Well, that's more or less the case here.

    64. Re:In other news... by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't obviously false, because it is possible that a poor helmet design could increase brain damage in situations where without the helmet a lesser amount or no damage would occur.

      I have to wonder how many of those safer helmet-free situations would save the soldier from brain damage only to kill them with shrapnel or the initial concussion that the helmet would have blocked.

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    65. Re:In other news... by Starcub · · Score: 1

      Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up tilling the ground for others. It has never not been that way. Why would it be any different now?

      Really, you have no idea. It's a rather simple matter to convince people to take up arms against 'the enemy'. Allied sanctions against Germany as a result of WW1, which itself was a result of... were used as a pretext to convince the people that 'the west' (true or not) needed to be thrown off forcibly.

      If you want to go off and rip up someone else's soil for the sake of 'the motherland' or whatever the pol of day drems up to achieve whatever goal they have in mind, then I won't stop you. As for me, I follow a different lead, One that tells me that the use of evil means to achieve good ends is itself evil.

    66. Re:In other news... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      So someone who joins a cult, like the Manson followers, should be respected because they joined something bigger than themselves? I don't see how this is something to hold in high esteem.

    67. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      That's one of the worst attempts at trolling I've seen in a very long time. Context called; they'd appreciate a call back when you get a chance.

    68. Re:In other news... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's not a troll just because you don't agree with it. I see little difference in joining an organization that kills large numbers of people for no good reason, and joining a cult of murderers. And joining it just because you want to be part of something "bigger than yourself" is just idiotic.

    69. Re:In other news... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize you were the OP. I guess the truth hurts, huh?

    70. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      Our views certainly differ. I have the rights I enjoy as an American citizen because our armed forces defend those rights. I vehemently disagree with your view that we "kill large numbers of people for no good reason." World peace does not exist, nor can it as long as human nature is what it is.

    71. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      You're living in a fantasy where everything "just gets along." Have fun with that while others sacrifice for you.

    72. Re:In other news... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Name one campaign since WWII where American citizens were threatened. How exactly did we "help" the Vietnamese in our activity there? 1 million Vietnamese and 50,000 Americans died there for no good reason. Iraq is the same way.

      You're never going to have world peace as long as one country with selfish interests is getting militarily involved in conflict in places it has no business being involved.

    73. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      I'd much rather America take military action on every occasion we have than the alternatives of (1) allowing gross abuses on multiple fronts to continue by foreign powers, or (2) allow American interests overseas to be threatened by hostile government regimes.

      I'm absolutely certain that we'll never agree on these points, but I firmly believe that America represents the best of all government systems. There are many times I find myself frustrated by the actions of my government, and I most assuredly do not agree with every political decision we've made (including portions of some military actions). However, I still feel ours is the best of the systems that have been tried considering human nature.

      To understand past and present threats to America requires years of historical analysis, an undertaking I would strongly encourage you to begin at the earliest possible opportunity. As for world peace, get everyone to agree simultaneously to "play nicely" and it'll be achieved. My wager is that it's impossible as long as the concept of economic scarcity affects the human condition.

      I'm a firm believer that it's something that can be overcome in our lifetimes through technological means. There comes a point when the concept of one man having more than another becomes meaningless in terms of economic need, and I look forward to that day. In the meantime, my views on present realities are quite unlikely to change.

    74. Re:In other news... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'd much rather America take military action on every occasion we have than the alternatives of (1) allowing gross abuses on multiple fronts to continue by foreign powers

      What "gross abuses"? How was the Vietnamese civil war a "gross abuse" of anything, warranting foreign involvement?

      or (2) allow American interests overseas to be threatened by hostile government regimes.

      Exactly what "American interests" were at stake in Vietnam in the mid 60s? What American interests were at stake in Iraq at any time?

      These factors make it ok to murder millions? You sound like someone that Stalin would admire.

      I'm absolutely certain that we'll never agree on these points, but I firmly believe that America represents the best of all government systems.

      So that makes it OK to run around the world forcing others to bend to our will at gunpoint? Or, it makes it OK to force "regime changes" in other countries, removing their own governments and installing friendly puppet governments (which don't resemble America's government in any way, shape, or form)?

      To understand past and present threats to America requires years of historical analysis, an undertaking I would strongly encourage you to begin at the earliest possible opportunity.

      I'm sorry, but I don't need to undertake years of historical analysis to see that Vietnam never presented any threat to America whatsoever.

    75. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      (1) Reference North Vietnamese activities against populations in the South. Add in Chinese military support for these human rights tragedies. Nice try, though. (2) Reference (1) with respect to Vietnam. Interests mean more than immediate economic concerns. Iraq was run by a maniacal dictator who was responsible for the death by gassing of 10,000 ethnic Kurds within the borders of his own country (dictionary: "genocide"). His sons enjoyed pulling women off the street at random and raping them. Those who complained were murdered. War is not murder. War is war. You seem incapable of critical thought on this point. The Iraqis should have dealt with Sadaam themselves, something they were apparently incapable of doing. I'm beginning to think you're 18 years old, and probably not very well educated.

      Our system of government is not perfect, but it works fairly well. We're the only nation to have ever used nuclear weapons in a time of war, but you'll also note that they haven't been used in wartime since then. This is not by accident; it is by force at the point of a gun (as you put it).

      To address your last statement, you are sorely in need of an actual education. Please enroll in college immediately, preferably continuing to a graduate degree. I'll be more than willing to continue this debate once you've done so; I guess we'll pick this up again in six years.

    76. Re:In other news... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      (1) Reference North Vietnamese activities against populations in the South. Add in Chinese military support for these human rights tragedies.

      And that's our business why? And us killing 1,000,000 NK is somehow better than the human rights tragedies that others did there? Strange philosophy you have there.

      No, the Indochina War was started because of France trying to protect its colonial interests. I think you're the one who doesn't know much about history, and has a whitewashed pro-American view of everything.

      Iraq was run by a maniacal dictator who was responsible for the death by gassing of 10,000 ethnic Kurds within the borders of his own country (dictionary: "genocide").

      So what's the problem there? Because back when he did those things, the US Government backed him, and even supplied him the helicopters he used to gas the Kurds. Later, he did something the US government didn't like, and suddenly genocide was a big problem. Sorry, I don't buy it.

      War is not murder. War is war.

      Sorry, no. Killing people in the name of war is still murder unless you have a good reason for it (such as: they attacked you, and you're defending yourself. This is why the Allied countries got into WWII if you remember: Germany was actively attacking them all. This is a little different from Iraq (II), where Saddam didn't attack anyone outside his country, making such things an internal matter.)

      I've already graduated, and I'm quite a bit older than you. Apparently my education is a lot better than yours since I don't merely accept whatever my government tells me, and use critical thinking skills.

      Hopefully one day soon, one of your close family members will be murdered by someone who invaded your country, yet your precious military did absolutely nothing to protect against.

    77. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      Hopefully one day soon, one of your close family members will be murdered by someone who invaded your country, yet your precious military did absolutely nothing to protect against.

      This is the only portion of your post I feel is worthy of a reply. The rest is idiocy. You seem like an angry person; perhaps you should find a church or temple and reflect on your anger for awhile.

      The chances of my losing a family member in the manner you describe are astronomically low. There is a reason for that: force at the point of a gun that makes any invasion of this country a ridiculous proposition. That aside, I've got firearms of my own, and I have absolutely no problem with using then. Good day.

    78. Re:In other news... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. Millions of invaders have already come into this country, and have murdered tens of thousands of citizens. Where was the military to protect us? In most countries, the military's reason for existence is for defense, to protect its citizens from outside threats. But not in the USA. Here, the military's purpose is to enrich big government contractors like Halliburton by pursuing wars on false pretenses, and there's no one but an understaffed and ineffective police force to keep invaders out.

      BTW, how does it feel being a tool for Halliburton?

    79. Re:In other news... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      I'm looking around, and I don't see millions of invaders in the U.S. killing tens of thousands of people. Perhaps I need glasses.

      I find your association of my views with Halliburton laughable. I don't even wear a uniform for a living anymore; I prefer writing code these days (as I did before I served in the military). If you're referring to an understaffed and ineffective police force in another country (presumably yours), that's a problem for your citizenry to deal with via elections. I wish you all the best with that.

  2. The Shadow were right... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    War really does lead to some of our race's biggest advances.

    Although they did fail to consider the motivating potential of porn as well. Stupid Shadows...

    1. Re:The Shadow were right... by jollyreaper · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      War really does lead to some of our race's biggest advances.

      Ants don't build a better anthill after you kick it over, they just build the same old design as before. Little boys with malicious hearts enjoy kicking the anthills over because they like making the little fuckers run about like mad.

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    2. Re:The Shadow were right... by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      That's true, although porn leads to head-flexing as well.

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    3. Re:The Shadow were right... by ArcherB · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's true, although porn leads to head-flexing as well.

      And dain bramage!

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    4. Re:The Shadow were right... by gnick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      War really does lead to some of our race's biggest advances.

      Ants don't build a better anthill after you kick it over, they just build the same old design as before.

      Wrong race. Our race tends to come up with new and innovative ways of killing each other so that we can avoid being killed. And, if you want to stick to structures, Munich is a really interesting place to visit. They pretty much did rebuild the same human ant-hills after they got bombed to the ground. My understanding is that they built it about as close to the original lay-out as practical. But, even in that single very unusual example, they at least had the sense to completely revamp the infrastructure when they were putting it back together.

      If you're saying something too clever for me and it went over my head, I apologize for the ramble.

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    5. Re:The Shadow were right... by Bake · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, actually just damage to your vision.

    6. Re:The Shadow were right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not universal of course, since there are so many different species of ants, but some ants will build a better anthill after you knock it over.

  3. Re:Scary by OnomatopoeiaSound · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it possible to design the helmets in such a way that prevents this? If not, it might be a necessary evil. I would rather run the risk of TBI than have my head shot off or something, honestly. It might just be a sad side effect of our need to have soldiers.

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  4. That's a bit harsh... by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Helmets which "have helped modern soldiers survive bullets and blasts that would have killed them in past wars" are being accused of causing brain damage.

    I guess boxing gloves cause brain damage, too? Or maybe it's boxing that causes brain damage, and the gloves reduce the risk...

    Now, if they can make better helmets that reduce the risk of brain damage even further, props to them. That doesn't mean the current generation of helmets are "causing" brain damage.

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    1. Re:That's a bit harsh... by szo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's 'causing' the brain damage in a way that it prevents the solder from dying and thus hiding the symptoms of the brain damage :)

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    2. Re:That's a bit harsh... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the gloves DO cause brain damage. It's nearly impossible to knock someone our bare handed with a blow to the temple, but easy as hell with gloves. The glove protects the hands, not the face. Notice that in college or olympic boxing they wear protective gear on their heads?

    3. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Nowhere in the article, summary, or headline are helmets stated as the cause of brain damage. All state that the helmet design contributes to the brain damage and the article and summary are both very clear on how the brain actually gets damaged. Work on your reading comprehension.

    4. Re:That's a bit harsh... by SterlingSylver · · Score: 1

      Also just in:

      Air Bags cause numerous broken arms every year
      Parachutes cause whiplash
      Seatbelts chafe

    5. Re:That's a bit harsh... by nschubach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder if this may be the cause of "Gulf War Syndrome" we heard a lot about a few years back...

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    6. Re:That's a bit harsh... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Contribute - Verb

      1. To give something, that is or becomes part of a larger whole.

      So... which part of the brain damage was caused by the explosion, and which was caused by the helmet?

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    7. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, it's a sickening way to grab attention. That said, how much longer would it take to get the research noticed, applied, and replacements funded and issued without this misleading hype? Given my own experience with the mil I'd guess the report would functionally ignored without it. However /. has a lot of currently serving soldiers -- have things changed? Is this sort of hype unnecessary now?

    8. Re:That's a bit harsh... by iamhigh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's nearly impossible to knock someone our bare handed with a blow to the temple

      While perhaps this is true for the temple (and only the temple), I have seen way to many UFC fights to agree with the general idea of this statement. Catch the jaw just right with a solid blow and just about anyone will go down.

      The gloves lessen the blow, but they also make it possible to sustain a fight for 10 rounds... that is where the damage occurs. Getting knocked out isn't that big of a deal, it's the repeated blows that mess you up.

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    9. Re:That's a bit harsh... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess boxing gloves cause brain damage, too? Or maybe it's boxing that causes brain damage, and the gloves reduce the risk...

      Boxing gloves cause more damage than they prevent.

      Boxing gloves are meant to protect a boxer's hands, not his opponent's head. They do that so well that a modern boxer can keep dishing out hurt long after an early 19th century bare-knuckles boxer would have had both hands incapacitated by his own blows.

      Which allows the boxer to do more damage to his opponent, thus increasing the risk of severe damage to both parties in a fight.

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    10. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Itninja · · Score: 4, Informative

      From TFA: "The helmet acts as a windscoop, so the pressure between the skull and helmet is larger than the blast wave by itself,.."

      With a direct gunshot to the head the head saves their lives, but with indirect shockwaves (i.e. an IED going off a few meters away) the helmets have been shown to increase the likelihood of a TBI.

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    11. Re:That's a bit harsh... by gnick · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe our helmets need a warning label: War may be hazardous to your health and has been known to cause such side effects as brain damage, PTSD, maiming, and death in many people during and after exposure.

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    12. Re:That's a bit harsh... by gnick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The gloves lessen the blow, but they also make it possible to sustain a fight for 10 rounds... that is where the damage occurs. Getting knocked out isn't that big of a deal, it's the repeated blows that mess you up.

      You'd be surprised how many perfectly intelligent people fail to understand that. I watch a lot of UFC/MMA, but have never liked boxing. People who know I'm into UFC but don't really grasp the sport get confused when I tell them that I don't like boxing because it's too brutal. Our brains just weren't meant to be pummeled like that - Especially for those kind of durations. You often see UFC fighters get knocked loopy and wander off exhausted and beaten, but rarely do you see one truly punch-drunk.

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    13. Re:That's a bit harsh... by megamerican · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wonder if this may be the cause of "Gulf War Syndrome" we heard a lot about a few years back...

      How would a shock to the head cause auto-immune diseases, which is what Gulf War Syndrome is?

      http://www.autoimmune.com/GWSGen.html

      "Gulf War Syndrome, or GWS, is the term which has been applied to the multi-symptom rheumatic disorder experienced by many veterans of the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf war. A similar disorder appeared in 1990-1991-era personnel who were never deployed to the Persian Gulf theater of operations and also in other military personnel, including participants in the Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program, or AVIP, which was inaugurated in 1997. No data has ever suggested that the disorder experienced by the deployed 1990-1991 soldiers is different from the disorder experienced by the other groups of patients, but the other cases have not been considered to be cases of GWS.

      Squalene was found by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in five lots of the AVIP anthrax vaccine. The discovery of serum anti-squalene antibodies and the development of a test to detect these antibodies has made it possible to see that links appear to exist between the contaminated AVIP vaccine lots, the illness experienced by post-1997 vaccine recipients, the illness experienced by non-deployed 1990-1991-era patients, and the illness in deployed 1990-1991-era patients that has been referred to as GWS."

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    14. Re:That's a bit harsh... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Gloves do exactly that. You get hit far more often and far harder by someone wearing gloves since their hand doesn't shatter quite so fast.

      Of course giving the fighter 10 seconds to recuperate instead of letting the other guy hit him a few more times and call it over likely causes more...

      From a helmet perspective it's possible a helmet could increase the amount of brain damage compared with no helmet. For the case of a nearby explosion in which no shrapnel actually hits the head/helmet. I'm not saying that is the case here (I haven't read the details), but it's feasible. Air bags increase the injury severity in some crashes over no airbags too.

      Of course you'd be an idiot to not wear a helmet (or to turn off the airbag) since the benefit of not dieing in a lot of cases far outweighs some injury increase in some specific case. But if you can tweak the design to lower the risk while maintaining the "stop the impact from killing me" feature that would be nice.

    15. Re:That's a bit harsh... by antirelic · · Score: 1

      I think the article just uses bad semantics. Of course the helmet isnt actually causing brain damage. The critique is in the design not preventing something that could be fixed by filling the space between the Kevlar and the skull.

      The big problem is with people who have no experience with the military outside of hollywood productions. See, those of us who have military experience have learned early on that all of our equipment is made by the lowest bidder. In fact, most of the equipment that soldiers use is rather old, with better alternatives found in the free market. I dont have to go over this again, but many soldiers opt to purchase their own body armor and ancillary equipment.

      Kevlars suck. I've always hated them, but they were better than the alternative, but not great. I'm sure there are plenty of free market products out there that are far superior. If I'd ever got sucked back in the military, I'm buying my own gear (outside the uniforms).

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    16. Re:That's a bit harsh... by PyroMosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unlikely. I have no idea if it's a real disease or not, or a popular misdiagnosis for a lot of other unrelated things. However, a great number of Gulf War Syndrome cases are with personnel who were not exposed to combat. Airmen on airbases, logistics folks, troops who never saw any real resistance in action, etc., etc.

      In other words, not a lot of soldiers were exposed to explosions at close range, and a great many more folks than that tiny cross section reported GWS.

      If it's real, it would have to be caused by something either pathogenic (unlikely, given that it seems the disease was not brought back home and spread to others) or environmental.

      Environmental causes seem more likely because of the sheer number of possible candidates.

      1. Burning oil wells, and the chemical muck that produced
      2. The first wide scale use of depleted uranium munitions
      3. Exposure to chemical weapons. Although chemical erapons were not deployed by Iraq during the war, some troops were exposed incidentally when storage facilities were destroyed.
      4. Chemical agents and vaccines used to protect against chemical and biological weapons

      All of these are suspect. There are studies saying yes, and no to most, if not all of these possible sources. Compound that with the real probability, that even if it's real, a great number of cases are probably folks who are scared and have some other disorder, who have convinced themselves otherwise, on top of the unscrupulous folks who are trying to turn this into a personal payday... we may never know if it's real, let alone what causes it if it is.

    17. Re:That's a bit harsh... by jake.tiger · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, the gloves DO cause brain damage. It's nearly impossible to knock someone our bare handed with a blow to the temple, but easy as hell with gloves. The glove protects the hands, not the face. Notice that in college or olympic boxing they wear protective gear on their heads?

      Well, I have professional Muay Thai experience and I'd agree with the gloves causing brain damage. However, as far as the general consensus goes, thats because of the gloves flexing and causing vibrations in your head. As well as that you can get hit a lot in the head, I read that it's better to get a hard blow and get knocked out than lots of small ones. Interestingly, I know a lot of sparring partners who dont like sparring in head-gear because they often feel more dizzy afterwards than without. They attribute this to the gear giving even more padding for the vibrations. When it comes to it being nearly impossible to knock someone out bare-handed I gotta disagree. It's got more to do with where you hit, and how prepared the opponent is. As they say, it's the one you dont see that'll knock you out. Obviously there are several other factors as well. In MMA they wear minimal protection on the hands and people get knocked out just fine.

    18. Re:That's a bit harsh... by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Helmets which "have helped modern soldiers survive bullets and blasts that would have killed them in past wars" are being accused of causing brain damage.

      Yes. Because they do. The net effect on survivability may be positive, but they still appear to cause specific kinds of brain injuries.

      Observing that this is the case and understanding it is the first step to designing helmets that have the same beneficial features as current helemts without while eliminating or mitigating the injury-causing features, thus further improving the net benefit.

      I guess boxing gloves cause brain damage, too?

      Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but that's irrelevant to the issue here.

      Now, if they can make better helmets that reduce the risk of brain damage even further, props to them. That doesn't mean the current generation of helmets are "causing" brain damage.

      No, what means that the current generation of helmets is causing brain damage is the specific evidence which shows that, in fact, designs like those currently used cause injuries that would not occur without the helmet. From TFS (emphasis added): "Although the blast itself may not accelerate the brain inside a soldier's head enough to cause injury, shockwaves that make it through the space between a helmet and a soldier's head can cause the skull to flex, leading to ripples in the skull that can create damaging pressures in the brain."

      TFA itself specifically notes how both the web-style suspension of the old PASGT helmets and the foam suspension of the newer ACH helmets contribute to brain injury by different mechanisms (PASGT by allowing the blast wave to "underwash" the helmet--which seems to be what TFS is referring--ACH, while avoiding that, by tightly coupling deformations of the helmet to the head.)

    19. Re:That's a bit harsh... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the state of California believes it causes cancer, too.

    20. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It actually can. the M1A2 tank is coated with depleted uranium. If the tank gets hit(assuming the armor isnt penetrated, knocking the tank out)it can release particles of the depleted uranium. While there is not much radiation left in the uranium, enough exposure could possibly lead to a rise in cancer risk.

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    21. Re:That's a bit harsh... by looney82 · · Score: 1

      we have different helmets now than back in the gulf war. a different design, different padding, different chinstrap. it's a lot different. but they do about the same thing.

    22. Re:That's a bit harsh... by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1, Insightful

      from you:

      [...] the helmet isnt actually causing brain damage. The critique is in the design not preventing something that could be fixed[...]

      from the article:

      [...]. "The helmet acts as a windscoop, so the pressure between the skull and helmet is larger than the blast wave by itself," [...]

      do you see the disparity? Are you reading the fucking article? In the case of a shockwave; wearing the helmet may be worse than not wearing it.

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    23. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Even without being as much of a cancer causing agent like the radioactive isotope U235, U238 can lead to heavy-metal poisoning.

    24. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, lots of soldiers who were never deployed to the Gulf fell ill with GWS. The cause was the non-FDA-approved vaccines which were supposed to protect against biological warfare agents.

    25. Re:That's a bit harsh... by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, in UFC, when the fighter is knocked out, even for an instant, the fight is over. In boxing, they have a ten count that allows them to get back up and continue fighting.

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    26. Re:That's a bit harsh... by weiserfireman · · Score: 4, Informative
      The depleted uranium in a M1 Tank Armor is encased in steel. It does not "coat" the tank

      The crew is not going to be exposed to the uranium unless the armor gets penetrated. If the armor is penetrated the crew has bigger problems.

      Even then, it is not a big risk it will be penetrated, Of almost 5,000 M1 tanks built, only 10-12 tanks lost due to enemy action have had their armor penetrated. Only 7 soldiers have died in combat in an M1, 4 of those drowned when their tank collapsed a bridge.

      The crew members smoking or chewing tobacco is far greater cancer risk than the tank armor.

    27. Re:That's a bit harsh... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      with indirect shockwaves (i.e. an IED going off a few meters away) the helmets have been shown to increase the likelihood of a TBI.

      Have they? TFA is slashdotted apparently, but the study cited in the blurb isn't nearly that conclusive. What it does show is that, in a computer model, there are some conditions where what you said can happen, though less so in newer helmets than older ones, but there's a tradeoff between this underwash and the shock transmitted by the suspension system itself to the skull. In any case, the results could be very different depending on the angle between the blast and the helmet. Therefore, whether the helmet is more likely to hurt or help in a statistically representative blast (much less help or hurt on average over all battlefield injuries) is not so simple:

      We next studied how helmets and their suspension systems influence the blastinduced mechanical loads in the brain. We considered two common suspension systems that accommodate the ballistic standard of a 1.3 cm gap between helmet and head (24): a nylon web system, as formerly used in the Personnel Armor System Ground Troops [PASGT] infantry helmets, and viscoelastic foam pads like those in Advanced Combat Helmets [ACH]. The helmet was modeled as a hemi-ellipsoidal Kevlar shell in both cases.

      Figure 4 is from a blast simulation of a helmet with a webbed suspension. The 1.3 cm gap allows the blast wave to wash under the helmet. When this "underwash" occurs, geometric focusing of the blast wave causes the pressures under the helmet to exceed those outside the helmet, so the helmet does not prevent the rippling deformation of the skull and the pressure gradients in the brain. For ACH-style foam-padded helmets, this underwash effect is mostly prevented, but motion of the helmet is more strongly coupled to the head. Helmet accelerations and bending deformations are transferred to the skull more effectively. The simulation results are very sensitive to the rate-dependent mechanical stiffness of the foam, which is not a well-measured quantity. Consequently, we varied the foam stiffness from values measured at low-rates to values three orders of magnitude larger. Foams that were stiffer at high loading rates transferred greater forces from the helmet to the skull and increased the mechanical loads in the brain relative to softer foams. But even soft foams only partially reduced the blast-induced pressures and pressure gradients in the brain, because the helmet does not cover enough of the head at the back and sides to prevent skull deformation.

      But if you or TFA are saying that the helmets have been proven to statistically worsen the outcomes of blasts in the real world, I would appreciate a (non-slashdotted) link.

    28. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Radtastic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't like boxing because it's too brutal. Our brains just weren't meant to be pummeled like that

      Not to get pedantic, but I don't think our brains were designed to be pummeled UFC-style either.

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    29. Re:That's a bit harsh... by gnick · · Score: 1

      Not to get pedantic, but I don't think our brains were designed to be pummeled UFC-style either.

      I'll see your pedant and raise you one. I think that most people here would agree that our brains weren't designed at all. But, through quite a number of years of evolution, most of us are born with bodies that can recover well from a certain amount of abuse. A well-conditioned body much more so. But a boxer's brain is exposed to several sigmas beyond the mean life-long pummeling levels that the human brain has seen pretty much ever. A UFC fighter's abuse may be on a par with men just tens of thousands of years ago.

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    30. Re:That's a bit harsh... by budgenator · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uranium is an alpha emitter, outside the body it's radiation is harmless as the alpha particles have little penetration and can't effect living tissue, inside the body is the opposite, very hazardous because the radiation is completely absorbed by living tissue.

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    31. Re:That's a bit harsh... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      No, what means that the current generation of helmets is causing brain damage is the specific evidence which shows that, in fact, designs like those currently used cause injuries that would not occur without the helmet.

      Ah. A severe case of a bad summary, then, if such a crucial detail was omitted.

      Although the blast itself may not accelerate the brain inside a soldier's head enough to cause injury, shockwaves that make it through the space between a helmet and a soldier's head can cause the skull to flex, leading to ripples in the skull that can create damaging pressures in the brain.

      Eh? Note that it doesn't say the shockwaves are created by the helmet... only that they "make it through". I see what you're saying, but the summary is bad... it's not at all obvious that the helmet is at fault from the way they worded that. (Which it is... as you and several other people in the comments have pointed out.)

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    32. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      I guess boxing gloves cause brain damage, too? Or maybe it's boxing that causes brain damage, and the gloves reduce the risk...

      Actually, no; boxing gloves really do increase the risk of brain injury, because they protect the hand a lot better than they protect the head. It's pretty rare to hit someone hard enough with your bare fist to cause brain damage; the skull is tough enough that your hand will probably break before the other guy's head does, and experienced fighters know this. Note that the gloves worn in MMA competitions such as UFC are about half the size of those worn in professional boxing, and offer correspondingly less hand protection; the much, much lower rate of brain injury among MMA fighters compared to boxers is not a coincidence.

      Not directly relevant to the helmet issue, I know, but I thought it had to be said. "Fighting with gloves is safer" is a dangerous myth.

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    33. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Catch the jaw just right with a solid blow and just about anyone will go down.

      But with bare hands, if you're the guy who landed the jaw shot, you won't be able to take advantage of it -- you'll be too busy cradling your broken hand and screaming.

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    34. Re:That's a bit harsh... by enrevanche · · Score: 1

      A UFC fighter's abuse may be on a par with men just tens of thousands of years ago.

      who typically lived only into their late 20s or early 30s.

    35. Re:That's a bit harsh... by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you're joking, but...

      There were roughly 500 US casualties (wounded) in Desert Storm.

      There are some 80,000+ vets of that conflict who have been given some level of disability from the VA for GWS.

      Gonna guess, no, that's not the case.

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    36. Re:That's a bit harsh... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Note that it doesn't say the shockwaves are created by the helmet... only that they "make it through""

      Well, lads, I want you for tomorrow a 100 words article about the Huygens principle.

      "it's not at all obvious that the helmet is at fault from the way they worded that."

      +- Science: Military Helmet Design Contributes To Brain Damage

      Can it get any more clear than that?

    37. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Deadstick · · Score: 1
      I guess boxing gloves cause brain damage, too?

      Yes.

      and the gloves reduce the risk

      No, at least according to my cousin the doctor. His explanation:

      The human brain is encased in several pounds of bone. The human fist is made of, basically, chicken drumsticks. Punch someone in the head too hard, and you'll break your fingers. Bare-knuckle boxers pulled their punches for that reason; the object was to deliver moderate hits to both the supraorbital ridges. Thanks to the heavy concentration of blood vessels in the head, the opponent would be blinded by blood, and the fight was over.

      The boxing glove solidifies the fist to the point where a powerfully-built man can deliver a maximum-effort blow to the head without injuring himself. It changed boxing from a face-rearranging sport into a brain-damaging sport. Which gave boxing a better reputation than it deserves, because the brain damage usually doesn't show up right away; it waits years, and then they can blame it on Parkinson's disease or somesuch.

      rj

    38. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... which part of the brain damage was caused by the explosion, and which was caused by the helmet?

      The part caused by the helmet is the additional damage do to "focusing" the shock wave.

    39. Re:That's a bit harsh... by G-LOC · · Score: 1

      >I guess boxing gloves cause brain damage, too? Or maybe it's boxing that causes brain damage, and the gloves reduce the risk...

      Apparently quite the contrary. "This padding helps the hitter and hurts the hittee. Since the bones in a man's head are stronger than the bones in a man's fists, a bare-knuckle fighter risks damaging himself more than his opponent if he hits as hard as he can when he aims punches at the head. "

      http://www.murphybrothers.org/Spartaca/Bareknuckle.htm

    40. Re:That's a bit harsh... by lennier · · Score: 1

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    41. Re:That's a bit harsh... by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      I thought everyone knew that the gulf war syndrome was due to artillery shells encased in depleted uranium, or something like that (saw many documentaries on this a few years ago).

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    42. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Nil000 · · Score: 1

      "I guess boxing gloves cause brain damage, too? Or maybe it's boxing that causes brain damage, and the gloves reduce the risk..." From what I have been told, boxing gloves actually result in increased brain damage by permitting repeated blows to the face and skull. If boxing bare handed there is a high chance of damageing / breaking your hand if you punch someone in the face, so bare knuckle fighters tended to go for the body.

    43. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The crew is not going to be exposed to the uranium unless the armor gets penetrated.

      Not true. There is still spontaneous radiation from the Depleted Uranium insert and there is an official 200 hour per year stay-in-the-tank time limit for the M1 Abrams personnel due to that exact issue. Of course nobody obeys it in Iraq or Afghanistan, because war must go on and there are far less tanks and tankists available in the field than desired.

      One should also note that DU is a potent chemical poison and easily burns to a microfine powder if exposed to high temperatures in presence of air. It pollutes large open areas easily and causes kidney failure in people who are exposed to its powder. European nations, like Germany refuse to use DU for armour plates or ammunition penetrating core for that reason. DU has strong political fallout and USA loses a lot of goodwill over its continued use. It alienates green-minded allies effectively.

      Spaced modular armour for tank plating and W2C tungsten-carbid cores for ammunition can replace DU effectively, so there is no compelling reason to use it. The 400 billion USD per year american military budget would allow its quick replacement.

    44. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Uranium is a highly reactive toxic heavy metal, it has higher toxicity than lead and mercury. That will kill you thousands of times faster than the very low amount of radiation will if you have uranium in your body.

    45. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A UFC fighter's abuse may be on a par with men just tens of thousands of years ago.

      who typically lived only into their late 20s or early 30s.

      More like late 40's to early 50's. Most people mis-read estimates of ancient life expectancy estimates because the mortality rates for infants and children were so much higher than even 100 years ago. For most of human history and pre-history, if you made it to puberty chances were you'd live at least a couple more decades. It should also be noted that evidence from 19th and 20th century exploration tends support this conclusion, whenever an isolated stone-age tribe was discovered it wasn't dominated by 20 to 30 year olds. Instead, there were usually about as many adults over 30 as there were under 30.

    46. Re:That's a bit harsh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly, I've read that in the days of bare knuckle boxing there was little or no brain damage because nobody punched an opponent in the head. The human skull is organic armour; hit it with a bare fist and the striker is often going to come off second best. The introduction of boxing gloves meant it was now safe for the striker to punch opponent in the head. Now we have brain damage as a real risk for boxers. So in a way boxing gloves DO cause brain damage.

  5. Re:Scary by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

    Certainly it's possible, they just need better shock absorption. The current design transmits too much of the shock to the skull.

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  6. Flaw by Phoenixlol · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is considered a flaw in design? I was unaware that these helmets were designed to protect against shockwaves as oppoesed to simply projectiles. "Military Helmet Design Contributes To Brain Damage" makes it sound like the helmet itself is inflicting brain damage, no?

    1. Re:Flaw by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      This is considered a flaw in design?

      I should sure as fucking hell hope so! Maybe not in the "ZOMG helmet designers are TEH FAIL" sense, but lots of things can be "not-failures" and still have flaws. In fact, just about everything has flaws that could be improved.

      I was unaware that these helmets were designed to protect against shockwaves as oppoesed to simply projectiles.

      Which is probably why the flaw exists!

      "Military Helmet Design Contributes To Brain Damage" makes it sound like the helmet itself is inflicting brain damage, no?

      No, it makes it sound like the helmet may be making brain damage, resulting from some other source like say an explosion, worse than it would be otherwise, i.e. "contributing".

      Which is exactly what they hypothesize in the article. It's just a hypothesis, but it makes sense -- the gap between the rigid helmet and the soldier's skull acts like a scoop, and makes the resulting pressure inside the helmet greater than the shockwave itself.

      Now the researchers are careful to say that any improvements to this aspect of the helmet must not compromise the helmet's primary purpose, which is to keep the soldier from dying from bullets or shrapnel impacting the head. But within that constraint, and if the research pans out, this flaw should be fixed if at all possible.

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  7. Misleading Title? by quatin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not following the title. An explosion near the head causes brain damage. Wearing a helmet mitigates the effects of the explosion. A military helmet is not maximally effective in mitigating the effects. How did we arrive at a military helmet causes brain damage?

    1. Re:Misleading Title? by mcgrew · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's explained in TFA.

    2. Re:Misleading Title? by Avalain · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The part that they perhaps should have mentioned is that in the TFA they compared the new helmets with the helmets they stopped using in 2003. They found that there is a gap in the new helmet which makes it handle bullets better than the old one, but it seems to handle explosions worse.

      Basically, it's not that the helmet is causing brain damage. It's that the helmet is not protected the soldier from brain damage as well as the older helmet did.

    3. Re:Misleading Title? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that the helmet may focus and intensify certain shockwaves that cause ripples along the brain. If the head were exposed to the shockwave (no flak) without a helmet, the ripples would not have been so severe.

    4. Re:Misleading Title? by Kamokazi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Logic. Specifically, journalistic logic. An accurate title would be boring, so logically you create a title that is more interesting and is also based on words found in the article. Duh.

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    5. Re:Misleading Title? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      See, it's crucial details like this that I shouldn't have to RTFA to find out. This is pivotal to the whole article and should be in the summary.

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    6. Re:Misleading Title? by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 1

      And how does its protection against bullets compare?

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  8. War may be dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You have been warned.

    1. Re:War may be dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But only in the state of California.

  9. Stop calling it IED by Chicken_Kickers · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Really. Please stop. There was a common word for it. It's called a bomb. If there is some sort of hidden triggering mechanism present, then it is a booby-trap. If the payload is large enough, then it is a landmine. I do believe that the US military started to call it IED for Orwellian-like doublespeak reasons.

    1. Re:Stop calling it IED by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      It's called an IED because having your $100k humvee blown up by some stolen explosives with nuts and bolts duct taped to it doesn't sound very good. The cause is somehow more justified if the enemy is seen to be a bit more worthy of the expenditure.

    2. Re:Stop calling it IED by russotto · · Score: 4, Informative

      IED = improvised explosive device. As opposed to an explosive device made on a production line somewhere. The military loves acronyms even more than the rest of government, so I doubt there's any Orwellian reason for the name.

    3. Re:Stop calling it IED by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      At least "IED" isn't nearly as bad(and is actually vaguely descriptive, if in fact the device isn't purpose built) as "homicide bomber". Remember the (mercifully brief) period where using that one became a sign of ideological conformity?

    4. Re:Stop calling it IED by mcgrew · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's not called a "bomb" because 1) there are a lot of different kinds of bobs and 2) the military doesn't speak te same language as civilians. It's not a "phillips screwdriver," for instance, it's a "crosshath".

      An IED is an "improvised explosive device", i.e. home made, as opposed to a military issue land mine, grenade, or other professionally manufactured ordinance.

    5. Re:Stop calling it IED by Tx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, while there is plenty of military doublespeak that could be dispensed with, "IED" I am perfectly happy with. "Improvised" is a worthwhile adjective to use in this context, because the improvised devices do typically have different characteristics from the closest equivalent professionally made devices, so you want to use that or some other adjective (you could use "home made" if you like, but that sounds like you're talking about pie, not weaponry). And since the term covers a range of blast, shrapnel, and incendiary devices, "explosive device" pretty much covers it. For once, it's actually a concise and descriptive acronym.

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    6. Re:Stop calling it IED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IED = improvised explosive device. As opposed to an explosive device made on a production line somewhere.

      So what is it when it's made from artillery shells?

    7. Re:Stop calling it IED by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      Actually the whole point of the name is to emphasize just that "IMPROVISED Explosive Device" versus an expensive landmine or bomb made on a production line. It's just quicker to say.

    8. Re:Stop calling it IED by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, there's some very good reasons for calling them IEDs. IED stands for Improvised Explosive Device, of course. What this means is that the explosive device in question is not standard. This matters when it comes to disarming/making them safe.

      If a EOD guy comes across an unexploded MK82, he knows precisely how to disarm it - it's standardized. Same deal with most land mines*, claymore devices, unmodified artillery shells**, and the rest of the world's standard military munitions. We even have books on foreign country's stuff, including Russian and old USSR weapons.

      Each IED, even if from the same maker, is far more unique, presenting unique challanges when it comes to disarming them.

      Oh, and being designated as a land mine doesn't mean a 'large enough' payload, it means it's buried in the ground with an appropriate sensor/detonator to explode when something's over it. Most are pressure sensitive, some anti-vehicle types have magnetic detonators.

      Bombs are generally assumed to be dropped out of planes, but then I'm Air Force.

      *Though booby-trapping can be an issue with these.
      **Many are converted into IEDs via non-conventional detonation systems in Iraq/Afghanistan.

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    9. Re:Stop calling it IED by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

      (you could use "home made" if you like, but that sounds like you're talking about pie, not weaponry).

      If you're talking about a pie made by me, then there's not a whole lot of difference.

      Someday I really should release my autobiographical NIN-parody, Terrible Pie.

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    10. Re:Stop calling it IED by belloc1 · · Score: 0, Troll

      If they called them booby-traps the military wouldn't try to avoid them.

    11. Re:Stop calling it IED by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what is it when it's made from artillery shells?

      I'll bet there's an army manual somewhere which says so. Probably if the artillery shells are used as artillery shells, they're not considered IEDs, but if they're rigged as a claymore, they are. Sort of like if you somehow hooked a billiard ball to your mouse to make a trackball, you'd have an IPD -- improvised pointing device.

    12. Re:Stop calling it IED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Most IEDs and VBIEDs are comprised from production line munitions including anti-tank mines and cars loaded with artillery shells. The improvised part generally stems from the trigger mechanism, mobile phones, remote locking systems.

    13. Re:Stop calling it IED by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      thankfully, no I don't, but I did go to wikipedia to look it up...

      I found this nugget, "Another attempted replacement is genocide bombing. The term was coined in 2002 by Canadian member of parliament Irwin Cotler, in an effort to replace the term homicide bomber as a substitute for "suicide bomber."[95] The intention was to focus attention on the alleged intention of genocide by militant Palestinians in their calls to "Wipe Israel off the map"

      I then snorted fairly loudly.

    14. Re:Stop calling it IED by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      well it depends, is it shot from an artillery piece?

      If so then it's called artillery fire, otherwise, it's an IED.

    15. Re:Stop calling it IED by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Aren't devices improvised in this manner a pretty standard part of warfare, though? Digging tunnels and filling them with miscellaneous explosives, which you then try to detonate under (or at least near) your enemy, has been done for hundreds of years, and nobody calls e.g. Messines an IED attack.

    16. Re:Stop calling it IED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about macgyver bombs

    17. Re:Stop calling it IED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Homemade Bomb

      Three syllables, rolls off the tongue.

      Improvised Explosive Device

      Eight syllables, rolls off the tongue like a morning star. Even shortened to just "I.E.D." it's as much of a mouthful as "Homemade Bomb".

      Which one is quicker to say, again?

      Now, which one sounds more exotic? Hell, any redneck with a book of matches can make a homemade bomb, but do you ever hear about them fashioning improvised explosive devices?

      The term was invented for a reason, and it seems fairly obvious the reason wasn't brevity.

    18. Re:Stop calling it IED by glwtta · · Score: 1

      has been done for hundreds of years, and nobody calls e.g. Messines an IED attack

      I suppose because you don't have to commonly deal with both professionally manufactured and improvised variants, so there is no need to distinguish the two?

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    19. Re:Stop calling it IED by jpstanle · · Score: 1

      So what is it when it's made from artillery shells?

      I'll bet there's an army manual somewhere which says so. Probably if the artillery shells are used as artillery shells, they're not considered IEDs, but if they're rigged as a claymore, they are. Sort of like if you somehow hooked a billiard ball to your mouse to make a trackball, you'd have an IPD -- improvised pointing device.

      If the artillery shell is rigged as a booby trap or roadside bomb, i.e. used in any fashion other than its original intended design, it is considered an IED (Because there is some degree of improvisation necessary, get it?). If the artillery shell was fired from a cannon and happened to land on the ground without exploding, it would be considered "Unexploded Ordinance," or a UXO.

    20. Re:Stop calling it IED by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Its an Orwellian English Dysfunction.

    21. Re:Stop calling it IED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to an IUD...

  10. Great Headline. by Caue · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Maybe it should have been "explosions cause brain damage and the helmet is not very efficient against those" or "don't wear a military helmet and use TNT"

    I tought helmets were designed to protect from debri and flying objects caused by explosions, not the shockwave from 2 pounds of C-4 lying around.

    1. Re:Great Headline. by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Maybe it should have been "explosions cause brain damage and the helmet is not very efficient against those" or "don't wear a military helmet and use TNT"

      Either of those would have been less on point, since TFA summarizes research which finds specific mechanisms by which two different military helmet designs (both the one currently in use and its immediate predecessor) directly contribute to brain injuries.

    2. Re:Great Headline. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      after a shockwave of an explosion. and probably the smoke caused by the same explosion cause lung cancer. and the sharpnel flying around may trim your armpit hair.

  11. Actually not. by ljaszcza · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What a headline. Actually, overall, I would think that helmets reduce injury and death. Both in combat and civilian arenas. Just because an inefficiency in military helmet design exists is no reason to say that "Helmet Design Contributes to Brain Damage". As compared to what? Taking shrapnel or a bullet without a helmet? Now the article does suggest that the helmet may increase skull deformation from pressure waves secondary to the helmet design. But the authors admit that these are preliminary results and may or may not relate to the final outcome; TBI. Still, if this line of research pans out, it could lead to some real improvement in head protection. Civilian and military. I just hate misleading, sensational headlines...

    1. Re:Actually not. by EmagGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's so true.. it's like blaming seatbelts for shoulder injuries sustained during collisions... of course, the alternative is MUCH worse...

    2. Re:Actually not. by GospelHead821 · · Score: 1

      This is a very apt analogy, but it also suggests the whole point of this research. Suppose you could design a restraining device that protected you from colliding with the windshield as effectively as seat belts currently do but which posed less threat of shoulder injury. Wouldn't that be worth doing? Likewise, they're investigating the shortcomings of current helmet designs to see if they can reduce the risk of secondary injuries (from shock waves) without reducing their primary effectiveness (against projectiles.)

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    3. Re:Actually not. by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Suppose you could design a restraining device that protected you from colliding with the windshield as effectively as seat belts currently do but which posed less threat of shoulder injury.
      It's called a five point racing harness.

      The problem is practicality rears it's ugly head, there is only so much inconvinaince and cost people will put up with in the name of protection from a relatively rare occourance.

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  13. Brain damage by mcfatboy93 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It causes less damage if you use them, even if some scientist found a small flaw in their design. I think a bullet to the head would cause more problems then you brain taking a hit because your helmet stopped the bullet.

    I would also be more worried about the person shooting at you.

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    1. Re:Brain damage by BCW2 · · Score: 1

      Helmets have never been designed to be bullet resistant. The weight would damn near kill you. The provide protection from shrapnel and debris, the newer ones are better but nothing is perfect.

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  14. Ventilation holes? by oldhack · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the helmet is designed with numerous ventilation holes it can diffuse the shock wave?

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    1. Re:Ventilation holes? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Shock wave out, bullets in; works for me. /sarcasm

    2. Re:Ventilation holes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe those are called speed holes.

    3. Re:Ventilation holes? by oldhack · · Score: 1

      That's why you shouldn't label the holes with "bullet goes here".

      Seriously, though, would ventilation holes diffuse shock wave? If so, can its size, number, and distribution be modulated to prevent shock wave while still providing impact protection?

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  15. Make the helmets more shock resistant by sacremon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There was just an article earlier today (Orange Goo) about a material that helps absorb shock, so why not line the inside of the helmets with the stuff?

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    1. Re:Make the helmets more shock resistant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The helmets would stiffen up and transfer all the energy to the skull?

    2. Re:Make the helmets more shock resistant by PyroMosh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, the helmets are designed primarily to be bullet resistant. One of the features it has that makes it bullet resistant is that the helmet doesn't sit on your head, it sits on a web suspension, and the helmet itself surrounds your head by about 1.3cm. That gap helps prevent rounds from penetrating the helmet.

      What the study is saying is that the same gap, put there on purpose because it's beneficial against bullets and shrapnel, allows the shockwave blast from an explosion to be more effective against the skull and brain than helmets without the gap.

      So now the next generation of helmets will likely try to find a happy balance between the gap, and perhaps some kind of foam solution as the article discusses. It's just more data to further refine designs with for the next generation of this particular technology.

  16. Re:Scary by ArbitraryDescriptor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Certainly it's possible, they just need better shock absorption. The current design transmits too much of the shock to the skull.

    This problem is actually caused by the helmet's method of not transmitting shock to the skull. FTA:

    To protect soldiers from bullets and shrapnel, modern helmet design maintains a 1.3-cm gap between helmet and head; in the simulation, the blast wave washed into the helmet through this gap. "The helmet acts as a windscoop, so the pressure between the skull and helmet is larger than the blast wave by itself," King said. While the ACH's pads mostly prevented this underwash, they also passed on forces to the skull.

    So the trick is keeping the overpressure out of the helmet, while keeping it separated from the skull. Perhaps a dual helmet design; Rigid outer shell to absorb and deflect impact, and a second separate inner covering to resist overpressure. Either that, or in place of ACH pads, some type of system relying on fluid dynamics to redirects force forward, out the face of the helmet, rather than inward toward the skull.

  17. *sigh* by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Informative

    RTFA.

    David Moore, a vascular neurologist and the deputy director of research at the Defense and Veterans Brain Injury Center, headquartered in Washington, D.C., said that the skull flexure mechanism proposed by the physicists is just one hypothesis among several competing concepts of blast waves and injury. "Like all these hypotheses theres yet work to be done in terms of validation," he said. "There are too many unknown variables from the constitutive properties of brain and skull at high strain rates along with other associated blast phenomena."

    The team considered the performance of Kevlar helmets with two kinds of cushioning systems: a nylon web system that was retired in 2003, and the foam pads of the Advanced Combat Helmet, which is standard-issue for today's soldiers. The results were unsettling.

    To protect soldiers from bullets and shrapnel, modern helmet design maintains a 1.3-cm gap between helmet and head; in the simulation, the blast wave washed into the helmet through this gap. "The helmet acts as a windscoop, so the pressure between the skull and helmet is larger than the blast wave by itself," King said. While the ACH's pads mostly prevented this underwash, they also passed on forces to the skull.

    King suggested that the pads' stiffness could be optimized to "take the best of both worlds; it doesn't allow the blast in there, and it doesn't transfer [forces] from the helmet to the head." He stressed that when making changes to the helmet, preserving its ability to reduce impacts and fend off bullets was paramount. "You'd have to be careful to make sure it doesn't interfere with what the helmet does very well, which is stopping fragments and bullets," he said. "The whole idea why there was a big gap between skull and helmet in the first place, is it makes it more likely for the soldier to survive if a bullet hits the helmet."

  18. Drainbramage? by drainbramage · · Score: 1

    Did I hear somebody calling my name?

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  19. New T-shirt slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I survived an Improvised Explosive Device and all I got was this lousy drain bamage"

  20. Title and summary are off by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    There is no flaw in the helmet. What the article describes is simple - injuries that would normally kill people are now survivable due to superior helmets. But that leaves them alive with brain damage instead of dead.

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    1. Re:Title and summary are off by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      No. The flaw in the helmet is described as a gap between the helmet and the head. That IS a flaw. If an explosion goes off overhead, assuming no debris or shrapnel or whatever is going to hit the soldier, he'll survive it anyways. Now if he's wearing a helmet, that shockwave will push the helmet (similar to a baseball bat hitting a baseball) and that gap will give it momentum to physically hit the head.

      Sounds pretty flawed to me.

  21. Re:Scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of which is fancy way of saying "the current design transmits too much shock to the skull" Duh!

  22. Adjective context check.... by Itninja · · Score: 1

    From TFA: "Because the effects TBI are so long-lasting and complex, the cost to the government is enormous."

    I know it costs a lot to train, feed, and deploy a soldier. And when said solider is hit with a TBI it actaully costs more than if they had actually been killed outright. But even with that I think the 'cost to government' is not even on the radar when compared with the trillion+ bailout. Not to sound cold (and I have family deployed right now), but these soldiers are just meat to the government. Now if they were 'too big to fail' then maybe we could take case of these folks....

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    1. Re:Adjective context check.... by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

      Apparently the government does care about what happens to these soldiers, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing these findings.

  23. Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember reading a similar article about motorcycle helmets, which said that the incident of brain trauma was higher in helmeted riders versus helmetless. Same reason - the rigid helmet transmitted shockwave straight through the skull to the brain, where the facial structure absorbed a lot of the shock in unhelmeted riders.

    So the choice seemed to be pretty and brain damaged, or ugly and smart.

    I think they've redesigned the helmets since then.

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    1. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by kashani · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is completely false. Idiot people who don't want to have to wear a helmet continue to bring that nonsense up. Think about it. How can a helmet which spreads an impact out over a large space *and* absorbs impact via padding be worse than no helmet at all.

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    2. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by tilandal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Easy, just don't count the people who die from trauma to the head while riding without a helmet.

    3. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by JerkBoB · · Score: 3, Informative

      So the choice seemed to be pretty and brain damaged, or ugly and smart.

      I think they've redesigned the helmets since then.

      I think the choice was more like "pretty, possibly brain-damaged, but ALIVE" and "face ground off by asphalt and DEAD".

      I have personally witnessed two motorcycle accidents... In the first one, the guy dumped his bike while making a tight turn at a rain-slicked intersection. His (helmeted) head hit the pavement hard. Probably wouldn't have killed him, but he would definitely not have been getting up to ride after that without a helmet. Second one, the poor bastard hit a deer at about 70mph. Cut the thing right in two, and he slid on the highway for a while. I stopped to help him, and I saw up-close how badly chewed-up his helmet was. Lucky for him he wasn't one of those assholes who rides wearing nothing but shorts and a t-shirt. His gloved hands were a bit bloody, his knee was probably broken, and his helmet had been worn down in one spot so far that I could see the internal layers. But he was alive.

      I know you were talking about older bike helmet designs, but I hate to see anything that could give no-helmet idiots more fuel for rationalizing their stupidity and selfishness.

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    4. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, one skydiver survived because she didnt wear a helmet, the shattering of her face saved her life. The helmet would have caused the brain to be smashed. I cant remember the name of the accident.

      Im

    5. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      A) we're talking decades ago - pre DOT and SNELL.

      B) I'm not a biker, and don't read biker centric articles - this was a mainstream piece

      C) I think bikers who don't wear helmets are fools, although they have a right to be.

      D) The same argument can be made of airbags, yet they still killed some people who would not otherwise have dies if they were wearing just a seatbelt.

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    6. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      So the choice seemed to be pretty and brain damaged, or ugly, smart and dead.

      There, fixed it for you

    7. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.
      People make all kinds of excuses to try and rationalize the moronic practice of not wearing their helmet, but the fact is they just want to feel cool.

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    8. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by brkello · · Score: 1

      I believe that would be really really hard to prove.

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    9. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by Burning1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I remember reading a similar article about motorcycle helmets, which said that the incident of brain trauma was higher in helmeted riders versus helmetless. Same reason - the rigid helmet transmitted shockwave straight through the skull to the brain, where the facial structure absorbed a lot of the shock in unhelmeted riders.

      I'm a motorcycle commuter, and I've never heard that statement except when used by people attempting to justify riding without a helmet. The same basic argument is used by opponents of seat-belt laws.

      While there are rigid 'brain bucket' helmets on the market, I don't know of any that are DOT approved. As far as I know, every DOT / SNELL approved helmet built in the last 40 years is a hard shell over a thick foam lining, which is designed to prevent shock from being transmitted directly to the brain.

      The big argument against modern helmets is that they are actually designed to provide protection against unrealistically strong blows. A firmer foam will protect against heavier blows, but won't compress as much when subjected to a lighter strike. The more the helmet compresses, the slower the head inside the helmet can decelerate, reducing the forces the brain is subjected to.

    10. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by minorproblem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can completly agree that helmets help, the one time that i came off my bike i was sideswiped by a car. I remember sliding along the road after smacking my head really hard thinking "gee this helmet works well". Am really glad i was wearing leathers/kevlar and a helmet. Didn't have a scratch on me after coming off at 80km\h. Just had a corked thigh and a few small burns from the heat of the kevlar rubbing on the road. Jumped up after, took off my helmet and chased my bike down the road thinking oh god my baby!!

    11. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by adolf · · Score: 1

      Not really.

      Just round up two similar people (height, weight, overall build, fat percentage, bone density, ethnic background, facial structure, gender), put a helmet on one of them, give neither a parachute, and throw them both out of an airplane with instructions to land face down and flat on a given section of pre-inspected and consistent grassy dirt. A sod farm in an area without many rocks near the surface, for instance, would seem to be an appropriate target.

      It should be pretty easy to prove.

    12. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      I managed to fly out of a corner at the measly speed of 40MPH, hit the sidewalk with my front wheel and get catapulted into the air.

      Landed on my back with my head doing a nice little whiplash backwards onto the sidewalk. Helmet had a few small cracks and the padding was flattened. Ended up pretty groggy, but I'm 100% certain that had I taken that blow directly to the back of the head it would have been my brains and not the padding of the helmet that got squished.

      I still have that helmet just to remind me that we all fuck up at times. It's also great for hitting people like the OOP with.

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    13. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by eggnoglatte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The big argument against modern helmets is that they are actually designed to provide protection against unrealistically strong blows. A firmer foam will protect against heavier blows, but won't compress as much when subjected to a lighter strike. The more the helmet compresses, the slower the head inside the helmet can decelerate, reducing the forces the brain is subjected to.

      Well, that is what speed ratings are for. If you you go offroading, where you are likely to have a reasonable number of smaller falls, you should buy a soft padding helmet, and not a hard one that was designed to keep you alive during a 200 MPH crash on track day. The problem is, a lot of people think a higher speed rating is better, no matter what. That simply ain't so.

      Agree with the rest of your post, though.

    14. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by Burning1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't do much dirt riding, so I cannot comment on the construction of dirt helmets.

      Street helmets are not marked for any specific speed rating. Generally, a helmet is either stamped that it meets DOT specifications, or it's been certified by the SNELL Memorial Foundation. The SNELL foundation pushes the most stringent impact requirements, and are the generally target of criticisms that helmets are being engineered for unrealistic impacts.

      For consumers, it's difficult to impossible to pick a helmet based on it's impact protection. Consumers are lead to believe that $900 helmets from Shoei and Arai* provide significantly better protection than an inexpensive $200 Scorpion brand helmet.

      Keep in mind also that a helmet generally experiences it's harshest blows in street conditions. On the race track, there is a great deal of runoff; once the rider hits the ground, his head is subjected to rash and potentially rolling, but is not likely to hit a solid object. Street riders face a greater risk of hitting a tree, curb, or car head-first than a racer does.

      Racing typically has a higher injury rate and a lower fatality rate than street riding.

      * This should not be taken as a criticism of Shoei and Arai. I own a Shoei RF1000 helmet that retailed for $500. The price is justified by the comfort, build quality, and Shoei's excellent customer service. I did not buy the helmet expecting 150% better protection than an inexpensive helmet.

    15. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by eggnoglatte · · Score: 1

      There is no standard for specifying speed ratings, but if you know where to look, most you'll find for most helmets statements like "not recommended for speeds above X". What it really should say is "not recommended if your top speed is >X or consistently below something like X/2". OK, I am making up the factor 1/2, but basically the hard foam of a racing helmet is just overkill for slow speeds. If you take a low-speed helmet, you will feel the padding is much softer than that of a high racing helmet. This is exactly what you were mentioning.

      I do bike commuting in the city, lots of long distance and adventure touring, a bit of real offroading, and maybe once or twice a year a track day. I have 4 helmets for the 4 different occasions, and I don't think this is a bad investment at all.

    16. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, in general.

      I've never seen a speed recommendation like that on any of my helmets, but I'll take a closer look the next time I'm at my local dealer.

      Is it possible that the markings are related to the aerodynamics of the helmet? For instance, a lot of moto luggage advises you not to exceed 80MPH.

    17. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy, just don't count the people who die from trauma to the head while riding without a helmet.

      a.k.a. "organ donors" in popular parlance

      (A common meme back in rural Pennsylvania was that no-helmet riders were basically advertising their status as future organ donors due to the low odds of survival in a severe crash.)

    18. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by prehistoricman5 · · Score: 0

      It's interesting that you bring this up, but I believe that there might be another factor contributing to the higher incidence of brain injuries. Apparently some people did a study comparing accident fatalities in corvettes and vw beetles some time ago. Because they were designed to go faster, the corvettes had many more safety features, so the people doing the study expected the bug to have far higher fatality rates, but surprisingly, it was exactly the opposite. It turned out that the reason for this is that the people driving the corvettes were driving them far faster than the bugs. One of the reasons for this is that since the people driving the corvettes thought they were safer, they drove faster, not knowing that driving faster cancelled out all the benefits of the safety features. A similar effect might be causing that higher incidence of brain trauma in helmeted riders.

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    19. Re:Similar to Motorcycle Helmets? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I know you were talking about older bike helmet designs, but I hate to see anything that could give no-helmet idiots more fuel for rationalizing their stupidity and selfishness.

      I'm with you on the stupidity, but the selfishnes? Do you mean the impact their death has on their families, if they have them?

      I do know that since helmets have become more prevalent the costs of medical care for motorcycle riders has sky-rocketed and the number donating organs has gone way down. Lots of bikers ride because that's what they can afford, so they often don't have insurance and so the public pays for their care. Also, some high percentage are organ donors, so their deaths do have benefit.

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  24. Brilliant Headline by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    Military helmets indeed cause brain damage: If the solider was not wearing a helmet they would be dead -- and thus, they would have no brain damage.

  25. Yes - it IS flawed by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    shockwaves that make it through the space between a helmet and a soldier's head

    Either Jarhead isn't wearing his helmet properly or there IS a major flaw in the design. This kind of thing is mentioned everywhere.

    Have you ever worn a bike helmet that was 3 sizes too large? How effective was it? Heres an experiment, place a ball on the ground and smack it with your hand. Notice how much it bounces, moves, etc etc. Now take that ball and hold it 2 feet off the ground. Now hit it, and see how much more it bounces.

    If the helmet has an inch of gap, its no surprise that helmets are hitting troops with more effective damage then if they were wearing nothing at all.

    1. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Ever wear a kevlar helmet that's skin-tight in 140 deg heat? OF FUCKING COURSE there's a gap. It's so you can fit it on your head, so they don't have to custom-order a helmet for everyone's head, so you can breath, so the suspension harness can absorb small shocks, etc. There's padding inside that rests between the head and the kevlar, but there has to be gaps to let your head breath. "Jarhead" knows how to wear is helmet, and every other part of his gear. That's his job. If it isn't snug and riding the way it's designed, it'll droop in your line of sight and flop around when you run. Do you know you to wear your pocket protector properly?

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    2. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by beckett · · Score: 1

      a bike collision involves different types and magnitude of force than a close explosion. the head also must be held in damping suspension to attenuate impact shock from bullets. take a look at the type of deformation that occurs when it takes a bullet. an explosive concussion would probably compress foam padding that would otherwise feel very secure on the head in normal wear.

      Similar to improvements in body armour, more soldiers are returning crippled when they would have come home in body bags in past wars. The the TC2K is a much better helmet than the kevlar ones in the vietnam war. This "flaw" maybe blown out of proportion by the slashdot article; e.g. perhaps this is news because they started installing helmet sensors in 2008 to aid in helmet redesign. i don't think this is a design flaw, this is part of research that has been reported slightly out of context.

      Another alternative would be to stop killing so many other people, and there'd probably be less explosions to worry about in the first place.

    3. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by slpalmer · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of this stems from the way the current helmet is fitted to the soldiers head. (Yes, I am a soldier, 18th Airborne Corp, Ft Bragg, NC)

        1 - The older Kevlar helmet was fitted to your head with a "sweat band" strapped to the inside of the helmet, which could be adjusted to fit your head exactly.
        2 - The newer ACH (Advanced Combat Helmet) is fitted with velcro backed pads which attach inside the helmet.

      Let me say now that it is *very* common for CIF (where you get issued your equipment) to be out of your size and give you the next size up. With the older Kevlar (case 1 above) you could still fit the sweat band to fit your head, securing the helmet. With the ACH (case 2 above) if the helmet is too big, the pads will be loose on your head, and the helmet will rattle around on your head when concussions occur nearby.

    4. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      shockwaves that make it through the space between a helmet and a soldier's head

      Either Jarhead isn't wearing his helmet properly or there IS a major flaw in the design.

      Or maybe you don't know what you are talking about.
       

      Have you ever worn a bike helmet that was 3 sizes too large? How effective was it?

      Apples and anchovies. Other than belonging to the same general class of 'helmets', these two types have little to do with each other as they have widely divergent design goals. A bike helmet is meant to protect against abrasion and strong impacts - a soldier's helmet is designed to resist penetration, create ricochets (I.E. divert incoming projectiles), and absorb impacts major and minor *while remaining comfortable to wear for extended periods*.
       
      Additionally, a bicycle helmet and a hard hat can be designed to be essentially disposable... You have an accident, you go get a new helmet. A combat helmet has to remain functional for extended periods despite suffering damage - you can't stop in mid battle to go down and buy a new one.
       
      While a bicycle helmet three sizes too large would be ineffective, a soldier's helmet three sizes too large still provides the considerable protection against the threat(s) it's designed against
       
       

      If the helmet has an inch of gap, its no surprise that helmets are hitting troops with more effective damage then if they were wearing nothing at all.

      On the other hand, the gap was added because it made the helmets more comfortable - and protective gear that is more comfortable to wear is protective gear that's more likely to be worn. (Manufacturers and designers of soldiers combat gear, hard hats, and motorcycle helmets have been struggling with that balance for years.) You see the same thing in the construction worker's hard hat, it sits above the head for ventilation, rather than close to head. The additional gap (in both) also allows the suspension to absorb and diffuse shock from minor impacts and ricochets.
       
      If your casual biker was required to wear a helmet for extended periods for work, rather than for relatively short periods as desired for fun, you can bet your bottom dollar they'd be designed differently. *Way* differently.

    5. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by slpalmer · · Score: 1

      One addition...

      The current issue of Army Times is reporting that there is already a newer "plastic" helmet in the pipeline to replace the ACH.

    6. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to assume that you've never worn a modern military helmet. We aren't discussing bicycle or motorcycle helmets here. The purpose, design and materials used are quite different. A helmet is basically made up of a kevlar shell and a harness. The outer shell is pretty hard and you don't really want it sitting right on your head. The harness sits between the kevlar and your head. You can buy aftermarket kits that some people find more comfortable, particularly in hot conditions, than the issue harness. Having the harness creates a gap between the helmet and your head. A bicycle helmet fits a lot tighter because it's really just a piece of foam. Motorcycle helmets are generally well padded on the inside and make contact with a lot of your head. This is great for sitting still while traveling quickly done the highway but you really wouldn't want to wear it when you're walking for miles with a lot of other heavy gear on.

    7. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Have you ever worn a bike helmet that was 3 sizes too large? How effective was it?

      You've got it wrong. In a bicycle helmet, the space between the shell and the skull is occupied by foam. That space allows the head time to decelerate more gradually. In the nylon webbing suspension system, that space is filled mostly by air, since the webbing holds the helmet off the head. But the webbing resists the movement of the shell towards the skull, just like the foam in a bike helmet (and also the foam in newer soldier helmets).

      Now if they were talking about a grossly mis-adjusted helmet where the helmet is adjusted for somebody with a much larger head, you would have a point.

      Any way, the effect you're talking about has nothing to do with the suspected problem of an air pressure wave being focused by a helmet.

    8. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by GospelHead821 · · Score: 1

      You're both wrong. The gap is there on purpose. It's part of the design of the helmet that helps to reduce the lethality of projectile strikes. It just so happens that it also intensifies the effects of pressure waves. The goal now is for them to see whether they can retain the effectiveness against projectiles while mitigating the problem with pressure waves.

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    9. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That inch gap is dead space between helmet pads most likely. If you look at the interior of the helmet it is not a giant solid pad. There are many small oval pads that the user can position for their comfort.

    10. Re:Yes - it IS flawed by infalliable · · Score: 1

      This, when kevlar is struck it expands to "catch" the projectile. It gives a little. If you place it on your head, it'll expand right into your skull and not be too effective.

  26. I don't know about you. by blakedev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I'm in the military, and I'd rather brain damage than brain splattage.

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    1. Re:I don't know about you. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, I guess.
      You already brain damage.

    2. Re:I don't know about you. by Jeian · · Score: 1

      I agree, but I'm in the Air Force, not the military.

    3. Re:I don't know about you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You already brain damage.

      And apparently, so do you.

  27. The Previous Helmet by Syncerus · · Score: 1

    Was a simple metal hat with a (fiberglass?) liner. The current helmet provides far more protection than the previous model. Keep that in mind in the context of this criticism.

    Also, as a minor quibble point, the airborne modification of the helmet has additional padding on the interior which may affect the dynamic of the air gap between outer shell and liner. My assumption is that the study was performed on the standard helmet configuration, but it's worth observing that there are non-standard configurations in wide spread use.

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    1. Re:The Previous Helmet by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      [The Previous Helmet] Was a simple metal hat with a (fiberglass?) liner. The current helmet provides far more protection than the previous model. Keep that in mind in the context of this criticism.

      TFA discusses mechanisms by which the previous (PASGT helmet, which was a Kevlar helmet with a web suspension, not a metal helmet with a fiberglass liner) and current (ACH/MICH helmet, which uses a more advanced version of Kevlar, and foam-pad suspension.) Metal helmets for general use were phased out in the 1980s.

      Also, as a minor quibble point, the airborne modification of the helmet has additional padding on the interior which may affect the dynamic of the air gap between outer shell and liner.

      TFA attributes the air-gap effect to the PASGT helmet, the ACH it notes largely avoids that effect but instead exacerbates injury-causing mechanical loads on the skull in blasts by more tightly coupling movement and deformation of the helmet to the skull. Having more pads than normal would seem likely to exacerbate the coupling effect rather than reducing it.

    2. Re:The Previous Helmet by vlm · · Score: 1

      Was a simple metal hat with a (fiberglass?) liner. The current helmet provides far more protection than the previous model. Keep that in mind in the context of this criticism.

      Nahhh. Its more complicated than that. Its lighter and covers less than the previous model. What it does improve is making heavy NVGs more bearable, and you can fire a rifle from a prone position (laying down) while wearing body armor much easier. But "far more protection", Nahh.

      My grandfather wore the M1 in WWII. They stopped using those in the 80s. I think that is what you're talking about.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Helmet

      I wore the PASGT in the 90s. No one called is a PASGT, always called it "your kevlar". Heavy, with a crazy looking, yet remarkably comfortable headband and strap suspension system. Very much like wearing a 3-D suspension bridge on your head. Big air gap between helmet and scalp was comfortable in the heat. Not terribly robust, I'd say a typical basic training company destroyed about one a week by ripping out straps, rivets, etc.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnel_Armor_System_for_Ground_Troops

      They replaced the PASGT with the MICH in the early 00s. Much lighter, which is good since they now hang heavy night vision goggles off them, for no net weight change. However I don't think NVGs protect against shrapnel as well as kevlar. Instead of a suspension system, I hear its more like a bike helmet. To better fit body armor when shooting prone, it has about 10% less coverage in the back.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MICH_TC-2000_Combat_Helmet

      The article describes sound waves bouncing around like I'd expect in the PASGT helmet, not like I'd expect in the MICH. Maybe the PASGT would have been even worse than the new MICH helmets.

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  28. Evolution of head protection by isa-kuruption · · Score: 1

    It's kind of interesting to see a story like this. Helmets were once made out of copper or leather or other soft materials leading to extremely strong steel helmets and now composite (almost brittle) helmets that absorb impact. Why? Because in the previous designs, they were found faulty, and someone ingeniously improved upon the old design.

    Can we expect helmets to protect against everything? Let's say that helmets did protect well against the shockwaves of blasts, then the article author would be complaining that helmets do not protect soldiers from a chance encounter with another planet or some other random scenario.

    Obviously there are still improvements to be made, but to make a silly comment that helmets cause brain damage is misleading. As the threat changes and issues are discovered, new equipment will be designed to combat those new conditions. After all is said and done, the helmets used today are far better than they were even a single generation ago.

    1. Re:Evolution of head protection by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Can we expect helmets to protect against everything? Let's say that helmets did protect well against the shockwaves of blasts, then the article author would be complaining that helmets do not protect soldiers from a chance encounter with another planet or some other random scenario.

      I think that "being in the vincinity of an explosion" and "a chance encounter with another planet" are not comparable classes of events when discussing helmet design for ground troops today.

      Obviously there are still improvements to be made, but to make a silly comment that helmets cause brain damage is misleading.

      Its not misleading at all. TFA lays out the specific mechanisms by which brain damage occurs in blasts, and the specific mechanisms by which two different helmet designs exacerbate (not just "do not prevent") the loads which produce injuries, causing more injuries in blasts than would occur without the helmets.

  29. Parent is way off, title and summary are on point by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    There is no flaw in the helmet.

    I supposed that depends on how you define "flaw"...

    What the article describes is simple

    True, which it makes it more surprising that you get it wrong.

    injuries that would normally kill people are now survivable due to superior helmets.

    That is not, in fact, what TFA describes.TFA describes mechanisms by traumatic brain injury occurs in blast situations, and the specific ways that both the former-standard PASGT helmet design and the newer ACH design increase the effects of these mechanisms.

  30. A-ha! by blindseer · · Score: 1

    That explains some of the behavior of my Drill Sergeants.

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  31. Have to say I noticed by ShooterNeo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I wore the Army helmets in basic training, I noticed this design flaw. Basically, there's no padding or shock absorbing foam in the helmet. (there's a redesigned helmet that is in use now that has a little bit of padding but not like a bike helmet). Sometimes, soldiers would playfully rifle butt each other in the head. I noticed whenever this happened to me that the rigid helmet would let most of the force of the blow right through, and it would make a loud ringing sound. Evidently, that's pretty bad when an IED goes off.

    Of course, the ultimate solution is to put infantry drones in the blast zone of IED, not human beings. Unfortunately for all the soldiers who have died, the tech won't be ready for another 20-30 years.

    1. Re:Have to say I noticed by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I wore the Army helmets in basic training, I noticed this design flaw. Basically, there's no padding or shock absorbing foam in the helmet.

      Actually, there is in the current design (perhaps you used the previous PASGT in Basic Training), which why TFA notes that it almsot completely eliminates the problem resulting from the "underwash" effect that TFS is referring to. Unfortunately, TFA finds that the padded-suspension design the newer helmet design uses still increases brain injury in blasts, by tightly coupling movement and deformation of the helmet to the skull.

    2. Re:Have to say I noticed by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Of course, the ultimate solution is to put infantry drones in the blast zone of IED, not human beings.

      Being able to fight an asymmetrically safe war is about the worst thing that could happen in the history of warfare.

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    3. Re:Have to say I noticed by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      That isn't how it seems from the perspective of an actual soldier.

    4. Re:Have to say I noticed by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      That isn't how it seems from the perspective of an actual soldier.

      No doubt. That's why our Constitution forbids standing armies. (oh, oops, right?)

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  32. Gloves make boxing *MUCH* more dangerous by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Informative

    They also make it possible to hit the head. Without gloves you'd break your hands if you stood there punching at somebody's head. In the old days of bare-knuckle boxing most of the blows were to the body. There were a lot of bruised ribs but hardly anybody died.

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    1. Re:Gloves make boxing *MUCH* more dangerous by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Without gloves you'd break your hands if you stood there punching at somebody's head.

      "Head" covers a variety of targets. Punching the forehead? Snap go your knuckles. But punching to the chin, nose, jaw, or ear? With a properly trained and conditioned fist, you can strike to parts of the head without breaking your hand.

      It takes a long time to train a fist, though -- at least three years, according to a common karate maxim -- and I still recommend a palm-heel, hammer fist, or knife hand strike. Or an elbow strike, for close-in work.

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  33. Opinion of a Soldier by slpalmer · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think a lot of this stems from the way the current helmet is fitted to the soldiers head. (Yes, I am a soldier, 18th Airborne Corp, Ft Bragg, NC)

      1 - The older Kevlar helmet was fitted to your head with a "sweat band" strapped to the inside of the helmet, which could be adjusted to fit your head exactly.

      2 - The newer ACH (Advanced Combat Helmet) is fitted with velcro backed pads which attach inside the helmet.

    Let me say now that it is *very* common for CIF (where you get issued your equipment) to be out of your size and give you the next size up. With the older Kevlar (case 1 above) you could still fit the sweat band to fit your head, securing the helmet. With the ACH (case 2 above) if the helmet is too big, the pads will be loose on your head, and the helmet will rattle around on your head when concussions occur nearby.

    1. Re:Opinion of a Soldier by slpalmer · · Score: 2, Informative

      One addition...

      The current issue of Army Times is reporting that there is a newer "plastic" helmet in the pipeline to replace the ACH.

    2. Re:Opinion of a Soldier by Hurricane78 · · Score: 0, Troll

      (Yes, I am a soldier, 18th Airborne Corp, Ft Bragg, NC)

      Stop bragging about it. :P

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    3. Re:Opinion of a Soldier by ajlisows · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This may be a really stupid question...in fact...I'm almost certain that it is a really stupid question. I've never served in the military and have no idea. Do you have any choice whatsoever in the gear you are issued? If you felt safer with the old Kevlar helmet could you ask for that type instead or did they pretty much toss all of them in the garbage?

      I hate to even compare it to the military, but in the NFL you can opt to get one of the new "Anti-Concussion" helmets but the rules do not require you to get one as some players feel there are other drawbacks to the "Safer" model and the evidence of the safety of the new helmet is somewhat questionable. I know in most cases you do not get a heck of a lot of choices in the military but I would think that being asked to wear something shaking around on your head would definitely impair a person's abilities on the field of combat.

    4. Re:Opinion of a Soldier by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

      Do you have any choice whatsoever in the gear you are issued?

      No. In some cases you might be able to scrounge a piece of older gear, or if it was issued to you because you were in before the new gear came out you might have been able to hold onto it (sometimes they want to collect all the old stuff). But even in those cases, if the new stuff is sufficiently different in appearance, you might get in trouble for being "out of uniform". How likely that is depends on how much time your leaders have to fuss about such things, and their time or interest in such crap tends to decrease rapidly as you get closer to active combat operations.

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    5. Re:Opinion of a Soldier by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Is it too much to ask that every soldier have a custom molded and properly fitted helmet? Which is more cost effective: custom helmets or lifelong treatment for traumatic brain injuries? If my ski boots can be custom fitted for a couple hundred dollars then why can't we fit soldiers with a decent helmet? It sounds like the Army and DoD have their spending priorities out of whack.

    6. Re:Opinion of a Soldier by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      One of the problems with a custom fit is time and resources. You would essential have to retool or reprogram the helmet making machines for each helmet or run batches of the ones that are identical to some degree before moving on to others. This would create a severe lag in the time the helmets could be issued or even availible and probably result in one of the problems already being seen today which is where the supply is out of your size or your helmet and you are given one the next size bigger.

      If a helmet gets damages in any way, it's integrity is challenged and should be replaced. I'm not aware of any policy restricting the replacement of safety gear outside of shortages in the supply line.

      Anyways, the cost comparison isn't really custom fit verses lifelong treatment for traumatic brain injuries. This is because the helmet will save more lives and likely prevent more brain injuries then it will ruin or cause. In most cases, the helmet won't actually see any combat in the way the traumatic brain injuries are happening. So what we are looking at is a situation were thousands of helmets or more wouldn't be involved in any consideration if you went with a single person point of view.

      The reality of it is that there are 250,000 some US troops in the initial invasion of Iraq. Let's say it costs the same as your ski boots, $300 to custom fit a a helmet. That would have been a $75,000,000 (75 million) additional investment without any replacement capabilities or considerations of other wars or operations we had/have going on. It's difficult to find the number of brain injuries from IEDs compared to bullets or other activity. It's practically impossible to determine a number figure for what the costs of supporting people who suffer that specific injury and cause would be but the number of people would be less then the number of helmets deployed.

      But instead of looking at it that way, lets look at it in ways that consider the custom fit verses redesigning the strapping that allows the soldier to adjust it to fit themselves. Moving away from the velcro pads and using the strapping or a combination of the two, could result in just an increase of $100 per helmet with the same effects as a custom fitting helmet. I actually think it would be cheaper considering it's already there and it would just be a different design but we can inflate the number. That's basically one third of the costs with the same net effects.

      I understand your concerns about not giving our soldiers defective equipment. I just think there are ways to fix this that can be more cost effective, practical, orderly, and just as if not more effective. I don't disagree that something needs to be done. I just think it can be done better then custom fittings.

    7. Re:Opinion of a Soldier by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "If my ski boots can be custom fitted for a couple hundred dollars then why can't we fit soldiers with a decent helmet?"

      Time.

      There was an humorist in my country, Gila by name, that was famous for his "on the telephone" numbers. One of them started (while at a mock-up telephone and all war-dressed):
      -Is it the enemy?
      -Err... Could you attack this morning a bit latter than usually?
      -...
      -No... It's my wife: she insists on me going with her to the dentistry... She's so scared about that, you know...

      It seems that real war is not exactly that way with regards to disposables.

    8. Re:Opinion of a Soldier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Do you have any choice whatsoever in the gear you are issued?"

      Spoken like a true civilian.

    9. Re:Opinion of a Soldier by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Nope, when they issued the new ACH's they collected up the old Kevlars. Probably to sell or give to some foreign military like the Iraqi or Afghan Armies.

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  34. Big Pile of Hydrogen! by pentalive · · Score: 1

    You're not going to claim that if astronomers really wanted to be scientific, they would start their research by gathering up a bunch of hydrogen and piling it together in empty space and then watching what happens, are you?

    I want to watch that study, That would be soooo cool!

    1. Re:Big Pile of Hydrogen! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Seen it. Frankly, a bit disappointing. Many many very very long periods where very very little happens.

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    2. Re:Big Pile of Hydrogen! by pentalive · · Score: 1

      O M G!

  35. GI steel pot/liner combo. by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

    Didn't help if rain rattling on it gave away your position, most in deep cover/G-suit type situation used Boony hats `cause their quieter when moving through dense cover.

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  36. inbetween by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... There really isn't an inbetween there.

    There is an in between, it is the difference between Special Olympics and Terri Schiavo

  37. Misleading Title? No, RTFA by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    I'm not following the title.

    RTFA.

    An explosion near the head causes brain damage.

    Sure, it can. TFA discusses, in detail, the mechanisms by which this occurs.

    Wearing a helmet mitigates the effects of the explosion. A military helmet is not maximally effective in mitigating the effects.

    This is where reading TFA comes in: in fact, TFA identifies mechanisms by which both the previous-standard design (the PASGT helmet) and the newer standard US military helmet design increase the loads on the skull that lead to brain injury (the former focussing shockwaves that underwash the helmet, the latter by tightly coupling movement and deformation of the helmet to the skull.)

    So, it is not the case that wearing a helmet mitigates the brain-injury effects of a blast and military helmets just fall short of being "maximally effective"; rather, it is the case that the current and previous standard military helmets magnify the injury-causing effects of blasts.

  38. Re:Scary by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    Is it possible to design the helmets in such a way that prevents this?

    We don't really know for sure if it can be done without too much compromise somewhere else. TFA identifies the problems with two recent standard designs (the current standard and the preceding one) and the mechanisms by which they contribute to injury, which is a first step to trying to figure out whether we can do better and how.

  39. Orange goo anybody? by davetv · · Score: 1

    maybe the soldiers should smear their heads with orange goo before putting their helmets on.

  40. I don't know about you, by MrMista_B · · Score: 1

    as I'm not in the military, but if I were, I'd rather /no/ brain damage, /or/ brain splattage.

  41. Bavarians by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the first world war German soldiers found that the spikes on their pointy helmets tended to get caught on things like tree branches, bunker roofs and occasionally each other.

    The Bavarians came up with an ingenious solution - put the spike on the inside. As an added bonus it stopped them falling off.

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    1. Re:Bavarians by nometacognition · · Score: 1

      Racist. jklol

  42. Damn! by BCW2 · · Score: 1

    This might explain what happened to a friend of mine who died last month. He did say he got blown up 4 times over there and never had a scratch. He also spent 2 years at Brooks Army Hospital with brain damage.

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  43. Re:Scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thus it may be possible to solve the problem, but not without tradeoffs...

    So then the soldier is stuck with a helmet that is even more bulky and weighs ten pounds and has a tendency to trap a lot of body heat unless an active liquid cooling system is deployed. And after it's deployed, you then see a lot of soldiers not wearing them because they prefer to have more mobility and endurance on the battlefield.

    In other words, sometimes one compromise is still better than another.

  44. The injury moves by Dupple · · Score: 1

    Without seat belts you go through the windscreen and probably die

    With seat belts, your chest is compressed and you puncture a lung or your heart

    A dead body is no burden on health care. A wounded soldier is a burden on his unit.

    Sometimes it's better not to survive

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  45. Danger close by nometacognition · · Score: 1

    Anyone familiar with footage taken by soldiers on the ground will be able to cite incidents where 500 lb bombs are used on enemies as close as 70 m. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e14_1251741282 Seeing the shock wave and then having repeated blasts enter the helmet would most likely compound the problem even further. Danger close bomb strikes are most likely contributing to the TBI. Damn. Revert to hellfires? Precision must increase if the blast diameter decreases. Sometimes, a Hellfire will not even destroy everything in the blast radius. I am not familiar with other kinds of warheads, but what I see on footage from liveleak.com is a focused blast. A 500 lb bomb is intensely destructive.

  46. As my father always says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... it's a good thing the injury was on a part they don't use.

  47. Yes I am going to claim that by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    You're not going to claim that if astronomers really wanted to be scientific, they would start their research by gathering up a bunch of hydrogen and piling it together in empty space and then watching what happens, are you?

    Actually yes. While they do not actually do that (it would take too long and besides, the universe is already doing it for them) they use scientific results from laboratory experiments (e.g. plasma physics, particle physics, atomic physics etc.) to predict what they will observe and then go out and look for it or, if they see something unexpected e.g. helium, they turn to laboratory measurements and calculations to determine what causes it. This is what makes astronomy a science and is why it is so interesting to other scientists.

    Without laboratory based experiments, either based on their observations or preceding them, all astronomers would be do is staring up at the universe and making pretty pictures. The best current example of astronomical observations leading experimental searches is Dark Matter. Astronomers have done an amazing job extracting information about the properties of Dark Matter just from observations but until we can actually make some in a lab we will not know what it is made of.

    1. Re:Yes I am going to claim that by evanbd · · Score: 1

      And this idea of making predictions based on models, and then seeing whether you observe those results in the real world, is different from making a model of how a helmet might cause brain damage, and then looking for brain damage in the real world?

    2. Re:Yes I am going to claim that by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Yes because in observational mode you have to also accurately model the starting conditions which are vastly more complex than those in a lab and usually where all the errors creep in. For example you would need to be able to know that there is no other cause of brain damage in the army e.g. boxing is known to cause progressive brain damage so perhaps basic army training does too? Perhaps army recruits are more likely to have brain damage than the general population etc. etc.

      You can do it but it is far, far harder than direct measurement in a controlled environment and far more prone to error. The only reason that astronomers use observation rather than direct experiment is because they have no choice.

    3. Re:Yes I am going to claim that by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      The only reason that astronomers use observation rather than direct experiment is because they have no choice.
      Afaict these guys aren't either. The research ethics guys probablly aren't going to let you deliberately kill or brain damage test subjects! So a combination of observation and modeling (both computer modeling and modeling by using say crash test dummies outfitted with sensors) is probablly thier only option.

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  48. It is accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The helmet acts as a windscoop, so the pressure between the skull and helmet is larger than the blast wave by itself"

  49. That is "dead" on by CFD339 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My read was exactly the same. The helmets are now so much better at protecting heads than anything ever has been in the past, that we're having to model air pressure caused skull flex in order to find something to make better. That's fantastic! Not too long ago the trauma was more likely to be a piece of a bomb going through the brain that caused the damage.

    And yeah -- anything they can do to make them better is a good thing, but lets applaud how far they've come.

    The only thing I'd add, is that if we could find a way to have less soldiers in the way of bombs and bullets, we could be less aggressive on helmet designs too. Ah well.

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    1. Re:That is "dead" on by aynoknman · · Score: 1

      The only thing I'd add, is that if we could find a way to have less soldiers in the way of bombs and bullets, we could be less aggressive on helmet designs too. Ah well.

      I would also add, if we were less aggressive, there would be less civilians in the way of bombs and bullets. Given that they don't have any helmets, they would benefit even more.

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  50. If not the shockwave, then what is the blast? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Although the blast itself may not accelerate the brain inside a soldier's head enough to cause injury, shockwaves that make it through the space between a helmet and a soldier's head can cause the skull to flex"

    This almost sounds like saying a bullet itself doesn't kill, but the hole it leaves in your chest could be fatal.

  51. of COURSE!!! by nimbius · · Score: 0, Troll

    that explains abu graib! our soldiers were too brain damaged to know any better!

    man, i should run for president.

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  52. it's also been known to ... by vaporland · · Score: 1

    ...bankrupt entire nations...

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  53. Flawed by Design! by vampire_baozi · · Score: 1

    At first I thought someone should make fun of people in the military as already being brain-damaged, or else they would not join in the first place.

    Then I realized that that wasn't true; there are many intelligent people who simply needed money for college who joined the military.

    Then I realized this was the military's response to NCLB: use these helmets to give brain damage to soldiers, bringing their intelligence down to the same level as the average jarhead, thus saving them having to pay for college, as no college will now accept them! A brilliant scheme that enforces mediocrity and prevents them from having to pay for college for ex-soldiers!

  54. Not surprising. by jfz · · Score: 1

    After serving 6 years in the Navy and thus having grown adapt to the bureaucratic sludge of it all, I would in fact propose that military service in general causes brain damage. On a daily basis, I surprise many civilians with my ability to tolerate things otherwise thought nonsensical.

  55. I had a traumatic brain injury years ago by nido · · Score: 1

    ... I knocked myself out for two weeks, and slowly faded back over a period of about 6 months.

    About a year after my TBI, I developed a repetitive strain injury. This was not due to "repetitive motion", but the "trauma" (injuries) I'd accumulated over my entire life.

    Years later I found a doctor who specialized in releasing trauma from the body. After a half-dozen visits, he said that my head was starting to work properly again. When he first started working with me, "[my] head was like a disorganized bag of sand." He said the body has a carrying capacity for trauma, and once that capacity is reached the owner quickly becomes much more dysfunctional than he had been before.

    Pay no attention to the commercial link above - I recently launched the site, and need to increase my google-foo. I really ought to write something for soldiers with traumatic brain injuries, because there are some very good treatment options to quickly "undo" the damage. If you don't want to buy my book, but need help dealing with stored trauma, look into Andrew Taylor Still's body of work.

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  56. Some info on helmets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coming from a military family I can tell you that the helmets of today are leaps ahead of what we used to have, but at the same time are seriously lacking in many areas. I have seen the helmets change to the most recent Kevlar versions while I active. They weigh a lot (they have been improving this) and arent nearly as useful as they are purported to be. To myself and lots of other guys, we generally saw helmets at one of those things that is traditional and required PPE but it doesnt really do anything. The current helmets are expecially NOT effective against bullets (whoever said they were designed for bullets is full of shit, go shoot one with a 9mm and watch it go right through) They are mostly designed/usefull for two things, 1) To protect your head in a concussive blast, such as an IED. and 2)protect from shrapnel. As far as protecting your head from blasts, the pads inside the helmet also make all the difference into the world as to how much they actually protect the head. The stock pads suck donkey balls because the DOD is too damn cheap, but, right as I was getting out they starting actually giving the greenies good pads, I bought my own from blackhawk... As far as the shrapnel protection goes, I saw an IED go off right next to one of our guys, and the shrapnel literally sliced through the kevlar like butter (anything over 4cm long will probably penetrate given a certain distance)he was dead within 15 minutes. So in short, the current helmets are pretty usefull if all your doing is riding around in convoys likely to get hit, but for most other things they are literally useless weight that makes the political drivel higher up (people with shiny stuff on their collar) think everything is alright. When I was working with the scout snipers they would often drop ALL of the PPE because it just slowed them down and made their movement loud and wore them out.

  57. Easy Solution by Torontoman · · Score: 1

    They simply need to affix a bright yellow warning label on the front which will outline the dangers of wearing the helmets.

  58. phase change system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    perhaps incorporate a material that changes from solid to liquid under high shock but is still able to revert back to a solid for shock absorbing under normal circumstances?

  59. no we didn't ... by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    We called another damaged brain ;)

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