We have not had any conversations with Verizon about paying for carriage of Google traffic.
Perhaps the NYT got only part of it wrong?
Doesn't anyone else find it odd they didn't simply say, "We have not had any conversations with Verizon about carriage of Google traffic"? Either their PR person is new or there is something under the covers here and they are simply semantically side-stepping.
But that ignores the fact that historically, a select few have always blazed a trail for others. While I agree with much of your point, I believe it completely ignores the fact that fighter pilots and firemen are still poorly paid. In other words, they chose something other than fat, even at the possible expense of death.
Negligible power to enter a dissimilar-space warp,
No idea where you get that silly notion. Physicists, based on current understandings, say this is measured in sums of many multiples of star output. Hardly negligible.
The rest is of equal simplicity, ignorance, closed mindedness, so on and so on. Basically, all as wrong as your first assumption, which is contrary to science as we know it today.
I think the significance of German WW2 technology has been overstated by history. They experimented with some neat stuff and had the Allies bested in a few areas (rocketry) but ultimately they wasted resources that could have been put to more productive uses. The Allies managed to best them technologically in key areas -- anti-submarine warfare, small arms, nuclear technology, computing, radar, etc. Other than rocketry I'm hard pressed to think of a sector that they beat the Allies in.
That sounds a tad revisionist history. The US, very specifically, decided to go for evolutionary technological improvements. The Germans were specifically going for revolutionary improvements.
The US anti-sub improvements existed because of significant German U-boat innovations. Small arms? Germans. New style of warfare; including combined operations? Germans. Nuclear technology - Germans - stalled by their own scientists and what kicked Manhattan into overdrive. I do agree with computing and radar - especially radar, which allowed the Allies to operate at night and maintain ship harbor pickets.
Germans had superior aircraft (really until 1944), rocketry, and even missiles. Let's not forget German's superior armor (second only to Russia - first to introduce sloped armor), artillery, and anti-tank infantry. Literally, the only reason the Germans did not take over the world is they over reached. And in doing so, opened a second front against the Russians. Again, complete Hitler incompetence.
Basically, the US had the shittiest tanks in the war, only slightly better than countries such as France, Italy, so on. And many a tank crew paid for the technology imbalance with their lives. Depending on the battle and allowed engagement range, it took up to 6:1 of the US' tanks to kill one German tank. And often that was because the US had air superiority. The Sherman sucked ass!
Don't confuse technology with application of technology. Its largely because of Hitler's complete incompetence and misuse (resulting in massively wasted resources) that German's superior technology failed to win the war. There are many, many, many books written on this very subject.
Here is a spoiler alert for all in cyber world and those that believe in tooth fairy like tales. I had complete electrical system heart failure a month & 1/2 ago. I died but kept alive through CPR and later revived. There is no light to "go to" as promoted through hollywood and hearsay. When the switch goes off, so do the lights. The dead know nothing. I know this for a fact, I went there..
It has to do with very specific stimulation of the brain. Some people experience it. Most do not. It can be readily created in the lab. Basically your testimony, in this regard, has no basis for commentary on anything as its scientifically proven the, "into the light", phenomenon exists. This is not to say you should believe one way or the other, but your experience proves nothing, one way or the other.
You clearly did not, "think about it". Not at all. Not in the least.
Think about the technology required for interstellar travel. Think about the power required to do so. Think about the resources required to allow such a science.
Space is not empty. It in itself is full of resources. If you have the energy for interstellar travel, you have access to unlimited resources. Concepts such as Terraforming and whatnot become easily within reach.
Hell, if we simply had higher energy densities readily available, the entire solar system would become a HUGE resource pool over night. Afterwards, two planets immediately become available as Terraforming candidates (Mars and Venus) - and that's even before interstellar travel enters the equation.
Seriously, actually think about the implications of a society not needing resources. Our entire society is built around the concepts of resource acquisition and trade. What happens after that is no longer an societal imperative? I'll tell you what; explorers, teachers, and observers.
If you've managed interstellar travel and have not reached that level of societal maturity, then it suggestion interstellar travel is dramatically easier and less energy/resource intensive than we all currently believe it to be.
Once radar was invented, it was noted the flying wing had a very low radar return. While this aspect was not understood, its significance was not lost on scientists and engineers. In fact, this is one of the reasons why German designers was working to create a long range, flying wing bomber, in which they intended to drop nuclear bombs on NY. The low-radar (stealth) aspect is what they believed would allow it to reach its targets without being intercepted.
What possesses you to believe that a peaceful, non-economic race of beings with super-light travel actually exists? Any race of beings with interstellar space flight capability would want trade or conquest; allowing beings such as ours to evolve naturally is a waste of resources that could be accessed now, instead of in 5000 years.
Every time I read comments such as yours it literally makes me laugh and shake my head.
Its very important to keep this in your head as you continue to read... Why do conquerers conquer? Resources!
If a race exists which has interstellar travel, they literally have unlimited resources. Think about it. And so a race with interstellar travel and unlimited resources would need to trade or conquer for what reason? Oh that's right, they would have zero reason to do so.
More than likely, they would be explorers, observers, teachers, or all the above.
The only way to believe in a magic flying jew that is his own father is to deny logic
That which is significantly technologically advanced is indistinguishable from magic. And if we run with your logic, all air passengers are magical. As such, if you're willing to admit that the possibility of aliens exists, then you're forced to admit "magic, flying jews", are at least within the realm of possibilities. At least so say logic and science.
Of course, towards the end of the war, many German units walked across the eastern front to the eastern to surrendered to the Americans.
Most Americans not only have no idea such things too place, but would have no idea why they would specifically want to surrender to Americans.
After the fall of of the Soviet Union, released papers indicate that as late as the late 50's, some of the last WWII German's were still rotting in Soviet prisons. A huge chunk died from torture, starvation, so on and so on. Some just simply disappeared while being moved to another prison. That is, they checked out and simply never arrived at their destination.
Please note, Europeans do not fall in the same category as Americans. Americans are extremely myopic, uneducated, and ignorant in general. Plus, Europeans, unlike Americans, had to live through rebuilding of their cities. This means another generation saw the damage and learned about it first hand. Many Europeans still have monuments in both big and little cities denoting significant events of that war. Its entirely a different culture, mindset, and environment. As such, many Europeans still have some connection to WWII. None of that applies to the average American.
Now compare that with the American response of, "I've played WWII video games, I've seen war on TV, therefore I have a connection and can understand, despite knowing nothing about it." Case in point, review some of the comments to my original post. But do keep in mind, this is the average American we're talking about - not all Americans.
Leave it to/. to analyze the technical merit while completely ignoring the creation itself. The creation need not be technical excellence to deliver its creative intent.
Look at many of the world's famous paintings and its easy to understand why they were absolutely not appreciated within the artist's lifetime. But if you allow yourself to go beyond the surface - awe-striking wonder can frequently be found.
There absolutely are facets of those pictures I would do completely different. Many have actually been addressed here by other comments. Just the same, I don't believe it diminishes the creation itself.
WWII was much, much more than that. You can only relate if you've taken an active interest to allow yourself to relate to those wars. And if you have done so, you absolutely are not the average American.
I've been in aircraft with the doors open above 15,000' without noticing anything except my ears popping.
It implies you're in very good shape, or, it implies you're in average shape and didn't realize just how bad off you were. At roughly 13,000 feet higher brain function, for the average person, begins to significantly shut down. Critical thinking skills begin to significantly suffer. Worse, almost without fail, people begin to feel unaffected believe themselves to be perfectly capable of continuing. More modern studies indicate that even at lower altitudes, typically starting at roughly 7,000 feet, higher brain function is negatively affected to some degree. This, of course, assumes the average person is not acclimated to operating at higher altitudes. Remember, the majority of the world's population isn't that far off from sea level.
FAA O2 Requirements can be found here. And yet, despite that requirement, you find that a minority of pilots, because of more recent studies, have begun to takes periodic hits of O2 before entering critical phases of flight (landing or instrument approach) even when they've been flying at altitudes as low as 6,000 feet.
I wouldn't think any American under maybe 75 could relate to WWII
Those over the age of thirty have a much better chance of relating to the technology base. As someone else pointed out, it was a lot easier to talk with someone who was actually in those wars. Likewise, many more civilians were also private pilots. Many of the instructors were war pilots - or at least someone you stand a chance of bumping into at the airport.
These days, the number of WWII vets who are still alive are quickly dwindling. Which is why there are active projects to record their stories. Unfortunately, it doesn't change the fact, that in an era of endless plentiful, most American's can not begin to appreciate the sacrifices even the civilians made to further the war effort.
My statement was not made to be snide and no, I didn't arbitrarily adjust the age; though low 30-ish is likely more accurate now. That's the age most studies indicates a rapid falloff takes place in awareness of those wars and the associated technology base.
The sad thing is, if you're under the age of 30, the vast majority of Americans can't relate to WWII in the least. You ask the average American on the street and they don't know the difference between WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, or the Gulf War.
Plus, even young aviation enthusiasts tend to have a low regard and no interest for any aircraft which isn't jet powered. Meaning, another area of interest which now has a complete disconnection from WWI and WWII history.
The Christian Science Monitor elaborates on the theme of job growth outside the US, as Corning plans to invest several hundred million dollars to retrofit an LCD plant in Shizuoka, Japan to manufacture the glass. The company will also expand the workforce in the Kentucky plant that now manufactures Gorilla Glass.
Outsourcing to first world, industrialized countries should never be confused with outsourcing to third world countries. The former has many benefits, including socially, commercially, and politically. The later serves only to drive down labor rates while destroying collective knowledge.
Outsourcing to Japan, second only to outsourcing to your own country. Outsourcing to India, bad. They are not comparable in the least.
You mean the CIA and NSA. The FBI is for domestic intelligence gathering and enforcement only. This is, in fact, why the FBI and CIA/NSA were purposely intended to never have open channels with each other. What everyone called broken following 9/11 was actually by design and for very, very, very good reasons. The reason is simply, its ripe for domestic abuse and violation of the Constitution.
The FBI was basically considered to be federal police. The CIA/NSA is considered quasi-military, which is exactly why they are frequently ex-military and work extremely closely with the military. They are a major source of intelligence for the military. As such, its actually illegal for them to be used domestically. That all changed with the creation of the homeland security, who's sole job is to view everyone as a criminal, treat them accordingly, while violating the Constitution as much as possible, without getting the public in an uproar.
Basically the creation of homeland security was a spit in the eye of all our forefathers, violation of pre-existing laws which were in place specifically to prevent this cluster fuck.
Please mod my parent post up - or undo the ignorant troll moderation via meta-moderation.
Nothing in the post is trolling. Just because you disagree, or more likely, are ignorant of the facts doesn't justify a troll moderation. And had it not been troll moderated, people would discuss and learn why my post is factually actually and NOT a troll.
My only fallacy is that I assumed others actually knew the details surrounding the events in question. Since it appears people don't actually know and understand the situation in Iraq, it may appear I was trolling. Regardless, the post is factually accurate and is in no way a troll.
Wow! You are a fucking idiot! Repeating the same ignorant bullshit doesn't make your point true.
In fact, since you repeated the same stupid shit in spite of a response which largely addressed your original, ignorant trolling, pretty well validates you're a fucking idiot.
Learn to critically think - because thus far you seem completely incapable.
One is not justification for the other. The fact you believe it is means you're a fucking idiot.
If true then the lobbyists should have no problems changing the regulations.
They were actually well on their way of addressing it when super sonic transports were all but canceled because of fuel economics. So until economics make it politically viable to address it again, I don't expect it will change.
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We have not had any conversations with Verizon about paying for carriage of Google traffic.
Perhaps the NYT got only part of it wrong?
Doesn't anyone else find it odd they didn't simply say, "We have not had any conversations with Verizon about carriage of Google traffic"? Either their PR person is new or there is something under the covers here and they are simply semantically side-stepping.
But that ignores the fact that historically, a select few have always blazed a trail for others. While I agree with much of your point, I believe it completely ignores the fact that fighter pilots and firemen are still poorly paid. In other words, they chose something other than fat, even at the possible expense of death.
I believe you're unrealistically negative.
Negligible power to enter a dissimilar-space warp,
No idea where you get that silly notion. Physicists, based on current understandings, say this is measured in sums of many multiples of star output. Hardly negligible.
The rest is of equal simplicity, ignorance, closed mindedness, so on and so on. Basically, all as wrong as your first assumption, which is contrary to science as we know it today.
I think the significance of German WW2 technology has been overstated by history. They experimented with some neat stuff and had the Allies bested in a few areas (rocketry) but ultimately they wasted resources that could have been put to more productive uses. The Allies managed to best them technologically in key areas -- anti-submarine warfare, small arms, nuclear technology, computing, radar, etc. Other than rocketry I'm hard pressed to think of a sector that they beat the Allies in.
That sounds a tad revisionist history. The US, very specifically, decided to go for evolutionary technological improvements. The Germans were specifically going for revolutionary improvements.
The US anti-sub improvements existed because of significant German U-boat innovations. Small arms? Germans. New style of warfare; including combined operations? Germans. Nuclear technology - Germans - stalled by their own scientists and what kicked Manhattan into overdrive. I do agree with computing and radar - especially radar, which allowed the Allies to operate at night and maintain ship harbor pickets.
Germans had superior aircraft (really until 1944), rocketry, and even missiles. Let's not forget German's superior armor (second only to Russia - first to introduce sloped armor), artillery, and anti-tank infantry. Literally, the only reason the Germans did not take over the world is they over reached. And in doing so, opened a second front against the Russians. Again, complete Hitler incompetence.
Basically, the US had the shittiest tanks in the war, only slightly better than countries such as France, Italy, so on. And many a tank crew paid for the technology imbalance with their lives. Depending on the battle and allowed engagement range, it took up to 6:1 of the US' tanks to kill one German tank. And often that was because the US had air superiority. The Sherman sucked ass!
Don't confuse technology with application of technology. Its largely because of Hitler's complete incompetence and misuse (resulting in massively wasted resources) that German's superior technology failed to win the war. There are many, many, many books written on this very subject.
Here is a spoiler alert for all in cyber world and those that believe in tooth fairy like tales. I had complete electrical system heart failure a month & 1/2 ago. I died but kept alive through CPR and later revived. There is no light to "go to" as promoted through hollywood and hearsay. When the switch goes off, so do the lights. The dead know nothing. I know this for a fact, I went there ..
It has to do with very specific stimulation of the brain. Some people experience it. Most do not. It can be readily created in the lab. Basically your testimony, in this regard, has no basis for commentary on anything as its scientifically proven the, "into the light", phenomenon exists. This is not to say you should believe one way or the other, but your experience proves nothing, one way or the other.
P.S. Welcome back!
You clearly did not, "think about it". Not at all. Not in the least.
Think about the technology required for interstellar travel. Think about the power required to do so. Think about the resources required to allow such a science.
Space is not empty. It in itself is full of resources. If you have the energy for interstellar travel, you have access to unlimited resources. Concepts such as Terraforming and whatnot become easily within reach.
Hell, if we simply had higher energy densities readily available, the entire solar system would become a HUGE resource pool over night. Afterwards, two planets immediately become available as Terraforming candidates (Mars and Venus) - and that's even before interstellar travel enters the equation.
Seriously, actually think about the implications of a society not needing resources. Our entire society is built around the concepts of resource acquisition and trade. What happens after that is no longer an societal imperative? I'll tell you what; explorers, teachers, and observers.
If you've managed interstellar travel and have not reached that level of societal maturity, then it suggestion interstellar travel is dramatically easier and less energy/resource intensive than we all currently believe it to be.
He probably means the YB-35 and XB-35. Jack starting working with flying wings during the 1930s. Much like rocket technology, the Germans took original, under developed and under funded American technology and funded it.
Once radar was invented, it was noted the flying wing had a very low radar return. While this aspect was not understood, its significance was not lost on scientists and engineers. In fact, this is one of the reasons why German designers was working to create a long range, flying wing bomber, in which they intended to drop nuclear bombs on NY. The low-radar (stealth) aspect is what they believed would allow it to reach its targets without being intercepted.
Please mod up.
Sounds interesting to me.
You're an idiot.
What possesses you to believe that a peaceful, non-economic race of beings with super-light travel actually exists? Any race of beings with interstellar space flight capability would want trade or conquest; allowing beings such as ours to evolve naturally is a waste of resources that could be accessed now, instead of in 5000 years.
Every time I read comments such as yours it literally makes me laugh and shake my head.
Its very important to keep this in your head as you continue to read... Why do conquerers conquer? Resources!
If a race exists which has interstellar travel, they literally have unlimited resources. Think about it. And so a race with interstellar travel and unlimited resources would need to trade or conquer for what reason? Oh that's right, they would have zero reason to do so.
More than likely, they would be explorers, observers, teachers, or all the above.
Seriously. Think about it.
The only way to believe in a magic flying jew that is his own father is to deny logic
That which is significantly technologically advanced is indistinguishable from magic. And if we run with your logic, all air passengers are magical. As such, if you're willing to admit that the possibility of aliens exists, then you're forced to admit "magic, flying jews", are at least within the realm of possibilities. At least so say logic and science.
Of course, towards the end of the war, many German units walked across the eastern front to the eastern to surrendered to the Americans.
Most Americans not only have no idea such things too place, but would have no idea why they would specifically want to surrender to Americans.
After the fall of of the Soviet Union, released papers indicate that as late as the late 50's, some of the last WWII German's were still rotting in Soviet prisons. A huge chunk died from torture, starvation, so on and so on. Some just simply disappeared while being moved to another prison. That is, they checked out and simply never arrived at their destination.
Thanks for chiming in.
That's interesting insight. Thanks for sharing.
I'm european
Please note, Europeans do not fall in the same category as Americans. Americans are extremely myopic, uneducated, and ignorant in general. Plus, Europeans, unlike Americans, had to live through rebuilding of their cities. This means another generation saw the damage and learned about it first hand. Many Europeans still have monuments in both big and little cities denoting significant events of that war. Its entirely a different culture, mindset, and environment. As such, many Europeans still have some connection to WWII. None of that applies to the average American.
Now compare that with the American response of, "I've played WWII video games, I've seen war on TV, therefore I have a connection and can understand, despite knowing nothing about it." Case in point, review some of the comments to my original post. But do keep in mind, this is the average American we're talking about - not all Americans.
Leave it to /. to analyze the technical merit while completely ignoring the creation itself. The creation need not be technical excellence to deliver its creative intent.
Look at many of the world's famous paintings and its easy to understand why they were absolutely not appreciated within the artist's lifetime. But if you allow yourself to go beyond the surface - awe-striking wonder can frequently be found.
There absolutely are facets of those pictures I would do completely different. Many have actually been addressed here by other comments. Just the same, I don't believe it diminishes the creation itself.
I couldn't agree more. Especially when you consider that the odds of those soldiers still being alive are not good at all.
Gulf War we whined and complained how nasty BP is. Because the CEO wasn't a good political speaker.
If by "we" you only mean Americans, then you forgot to include Italy.
If by "we" you mean Allies as a whole, then you forgot to include Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, and a few more smaller fish as well.
Relax. He used it as a platform for a joke. A rather good joke IMOHO. Hopefully we can agree a joke need not be historically accurate to be funny.
WWII was much, much more than that. You can only relate if you've taken an active interest to allow yourself to relate to those wars. And if you have done so, you absolutely are not the average American.
I've been in aircraft with the doors open above 15,000' without noticing anything except my ears popping.
It implies you're in very good shape, or, it implies you're in average shape and didn't realize just how bad off you were. At roughly 13,000 feet higher brain function, for the average person, begins to significantly shut down. Critical thinking skills begin to significantly suffer. Worse, almost without fail, people begin to feel unaffected believe themselves to be perfectly capable of continuing. More modern studies indicate that even at lower altitudes, typically starting at roughly 7,000 feet, higher brain function is negatively affected to some degree. This, of course, assumes the average person is not acclimated to operating at higher altitudes. Remember, the majority of the world's population isn't that far off from sea level.
FAA O2 Requirements can be found here. And yet, despite that requirement, you find that a minority of pilots, because of more recent studies, have begun to takes periodic hits of O2 before entering critical phases of flight (landing or instrument approach) even when they've been flying at altitudes as low as 6,000 feet.
I wouldn't think any American under maybe 75 could relate to WWII
Those over the age of thirty have a much better chance of relating to the technology base. As someone else pointed out, it was a lot easier to talk with someone who was actually in those wars. Likewise, many more civilians were also private pilots. Many of the instructors were war pilots - or at least someone you stand a chance of bumping into at the airport.
These days, the number of WWII vets who are still alive are quickly dwindling. Which is why there are active projects to record their stories. Unfortunately, it doesn't change the fact, that in an era of endless plentiful, most American's can not begin to appreciate the sacrifices even the civilians made to further the war effort.
My statement was not made to be snide and no, I didn't arbitrarily adjust the age; though low 30-ish is likely more accurate now. That's the age most studies indicates a rapid falloff takes place in awareness of those wars and the associated technology base.
Those are simply awesome!
The sad thing is, if you're under the age of 30, the vast majority of Americans can't relate to WWII in the least. You ask the average American on the street and they don't know the difference between WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, or the Gulf War.
Plus, even young aviation enthusiasts tend to have a low regard and no interest for any aircraft which isn't jet powered. Meaning, another area of interest which now has a complete disconnection from WWI and WWII history.
The Christian Science Monitor elaborates on the theme of job growth outside the US, as Corning plans to invest several hundred million dollars to retrofit an LCD plant in Shizuoka, Japan to manufacture the glass. The company will also expand the workforce in the Kentucky plant that now manufactures Gorilla Glass.
Outsourcing to first world, industrialized countries should never be confused with outsourcing to third world countries. The former has many benefits, including socially, commercially, and politically. The later serves only to drive down labor rates while destroying collective knowledge.
Outsourcing to Japan, second only to outsourcing to your own country. Outsourcing to India, bad. They are not comparable in the least.
You mean the CIA and NSA. The FBI is for domestic intelligence gathering and enforcement only. This is, in fact, why the FBI and CIA/NSA were purposely intended to never have open channels with each other. What everyone called broken following 9/11 was actually by design and for very, very, very good reasons. The reason is simply, its ripe for domestic abuse and violation of the Constitution.
The FBI was basically considered to be federal police. The CIA/NSA is considered quasi-military, which is exactly why they are frequently ex-military and work extremely closely with the military. They are a major source of intelligence for the military. As such, its actually illegal for them to be used domestically. That all changed with the creation of the homeland security, who's sole job is to view everyone as a criminal, treat them accordingly, while violating the Constitution as much as possible, without getting the public in an uproar.
Basically the creation of homeland security was a spit in the eye of all our forefathers, violation of pre-existing laws which were in place specifically to prevent this cluster fuck.
Please mod my parent post up - or undo the ignorant troll moderation via meta-moderation.
Nothing in the post is trolling. Just because you disagree, or more likely, are ignorant of the facts doesn't justify a troll moderation. And had it not been troll moderated, people would discuss and learn why my post is factually actually and NOT a troll.
My only fallacy is that I assumed others actually knew the details surrounding the events in question. Since it appears people don't actually know and understand the situation in Iraq, it may appear I was trolling. Regardless, the post is factually accurate and is in no way a troll.
Wow! You are a fucking idiot! Repeating the same ignorant bullshit doesn't make your point true.
In fact, since you repeated the same stupid shit in spite of a response which largely addressed your original, ignorant trolling, pretty well validates you're a fucking idiot.
Learn to critically think - because thus far you seem completely incapable.
One is not justification for the other. The fact you believe it is means you're a fucking idiot.
If true then the lobbyists should have no problems changing the regulations.
They were actually well on their way of addressing it when super sonic transports were all but canceled because of fuel economics. So until economics make it politically viable to address it again, I don't expect it will change.