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Churchill Accused of Sealing UFO Files, Fearing Public Panic
Newly released secret files show that Winston Churchill ordered a cover-up of an alleged encounter between a UFO and a RAF bomber because he feared public panic. From the article: "Mr Churchill is reported to have made a declaration to the effect of the following: 'This event should be immediately classified since it would create mass panic among the general population and destroy one's belief in the Church.'"
FTFS:
This event should be immediately classified since it would create mass panic among the general population and destroy one's belief in the Church.
One can take the bolded section in one of two ways:
1. If you believe in god, why would the existence of aliens prove that god doesn't exist?
Or
2. Why would you deny evidence in front of you?
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Summary says:
It should say:
Kinda different.
and still the doctor never gets any credit.
If you didn't come to party don't bother knocking on my door. Prince '1999'
True, the nation might be responding to bitter human enemy's nighttime heavy bomber raids with a stiff upper lip, but I say! An extrasolar tourist on a sightseeing holiday? That is really terrifying.
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A letter written by the grandson of a bodyguard of Churchill. That's all.
It's probably total nonsense.
The world is too caught up that the Earth is the one place for any type of life in the universe, we're not prepared to deal with other possibilities. I think that even the course that NASA is demonstrating now - proving that it's possible that there was water on Mars, opening up the possibility of a discovery of some type of life perhaps long extinct - is preparing the general public to slowly get ready to the idea that there's the existiance of extraterrestrial life. Tin foil hat time - Perhaps NASA already knows that this life exists, but they need to get the public ready for acceptance of it by slowly introducing more and more evidence so that society doesn't lose its marbles.
Winston probably called himself "the Church".
They told the London populace that German V-2 impacts were 'gas pipe' explosions to keep panic down.
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This could be:
a. Yet another part of the ever growing, ever large conspiracy to cover up the existence of seeming observational aliens
b. A maneuver by Churchill to silence a few pilots who didn't want to fly the channel anymore and made up a story to get out of getting themselves blown up. If the story had gotten out (true or not), it would've caused possible panic and more importantly a good reasons for pilots to refuse to fly, this with the backdrop of the a truly catastrophic war.
Read the article and find that the story is told by the grandson of a guard who overheard a conversation. Wow, that is just brilliant.
Bye!
Nope, no room for doubt here. From the article:
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Even assuming this nth hand story is true, UFO aliens. It could just as easily be one of Hitler's various secret experiments or any number of less exciting things.
I want a list of atrocities done in your name - Recoil
It should say:
Newly released secret files show that the grandson of Winston Churchill once claimed that Churchill ordered a cover-up of an alleged encounter between a UFO and a RAF bomber"
Kinda different.
Different yes, but how would making it more wrong be better? (Churchill's grandson died last year, and never made any such claim - and isn't even mentioned in the article.)
So after reading TFA, all we have is the word of what one person's mother was allegedly told by Winston Churchill's bodyguard about what Sir Winston apparently did to an alleged report by two crewmembers.
Unfortunately there's a lack of any kind of "evidence" that said incident even took place, since any possible files with reference to the alleged event were destroyed 60 years ago. So, what was the news here again?
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The masses have always feared the anal probe even before Roman times. He was correct in not disclosing the massive probe potential that alien civilizations posses. Only when have erected gigantic probe defenses should we contact alien worlds.
Doctor who ?
"Have a cigar!"
"No one is more miserable than the person who wills everything and can do nothing." -Emperor Claudius 10 BC - AD 54
and still the doctor never gets any credit.
the daleks too... don't forget them
Summary said: "t should say: Newly released secret files show that the grandson of Winston Churchill once claimed that Churchill ordered a cover-up of an alleged encounter between a UFO and a RAF bomber" Kinda different." And Summary is incorrect: the person making the claim is the grandson of one of Mr. Churchill's bodyguards. He, the grandson, is a respected physicist and an expert in Astronomy. Please re-read the link in the /. article.
"There are 11 kinds of people: those who know binary, those who don't, and those who could not care less!"
...the passage of decades managed to accomplish.
Knock Knock
Who's there?
The Doctor
The Doctor Who?
Just the Doctor!
Obligatory: I would like to call attention to the radio abridged reading of War of the Worlds and the panic that ensued when people thought it was a news broadcast.
Light reflected of swamp gass, and collided with a weather balloon.
The problem is that it's an allegation by the grandson of Churchill's bodyguard.
Too many degrees of separation--although there are similar stories of government
cover-ups intended to prevent mass panic of a UFO sighting. Former Arizona Governor Fife Symington III did
just that in 1997 and explains why he did it (and how it's changed his perception of the topic) in a book
about to be released in a matter of days.
The book is by Investigative Report Leslie Kean
The foreword is written by John Podesta (Obama Transition Co-Chair, and former Clinton White House Chief of Staff)
Her other backers include: former CNN Sci-tech Correspondent Miles O'Brien, and String Field Theory Pioneer Michio Kaku:
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307716848
Also, the article annoys me greatly be implicitly equating UFOs with extraterrestrial spacecraft throughout:
Really? During a meeting discussing an unidentified flying object?
The comment about the Church implies that the object was assumed to be extraterrestrial, which is perhaps the least plausible bit: why would a group of military experts assume such a thing?
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Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
Regardless of whether or not this story is BS, which I'm rather certain it is, I fail to see why it would be catastrophic to the human race to learn that extraterrestrials do exist, assuming they're not bent on our destruction. It would undoubtedly have profound implications on humanity, but I have a hard time believing that it would provoke mass panic.
Additionally, why would such an event instill doubts in religion? Any logical religious person would simply see this as a sign that god is even more awesome than they had imagined. And if the aliens have their own religion it wouldn't render Earth religions any less relevant. Unless they had conclusive, irrefutable evidence about how the existence of God and the nature of the universe. But then it wouldn't be religion, it would simply be fact.
Undoubtedly there would be some initial resistance, there might be some limited panic, some threat of violence but for the most part I think it would be a very enlightening experience for humanity. But then again, what aliens would want to meet us? Spend 15 minutes on Youtube and Earth ends up looking like the toilet of the universe. Some would probably even consider us a threat to the universe, worthy of destroying.
No credit is needed. Just the knowledge of doing his favorite species a favour. Even though we do look exactly like Gallifreians. That, a sonic screwdriver, a stolen TARDIS Type 40, and some of the hottest assistants ever, who needs thanks? A oddly long scarf and a card would be nice though.
This is the NSA, we're gonna geet U h@x0r5! Also, what is a h@x0r5?
hey you space aliens, don't land in Arizona or you'll be in big trouble! another question: how come you all are racist pigs? only ones that can qualify for your astronaut corps are those who are little, green, and men.
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I've seen a lot of alien invasion movies, and all you need to remember is that if you spray an alien with salt water, they will melt. They are a lot like wicked witches in that regards.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
Like that would have been a bad thing?
is that a nickname for himself or did he mean organized religion?
Yes.
That is all.
Just look around at the Tea Party movement. Alliens are among us.
Ahhh... But we must continue to wonder if aliens are secretly behind the sci fi scenes, molding us and educating us. But for what? Perhaps preparing us for the day when they will cook us and eat us. Perhaps our intelligence is just something their bio engineers built in as a way to insure that most of the biomass of Sol 3 is concentrated into six billion bite sized nuggets when they swing by three billion years later. "Hey Vorb! These are great. Just pull off the head and suck out the juice. Bitchin', dude."
"No fear. No envy. No meanness." Liam Clancy
Many religions teach that Earth is the center of the universe. This idea is used as a control system. Lose this control system, and suddenly people become free-thinkers. And the controllers at the top, who control all the UFO technology do not want free thinkers to ruin their game.
Is there other intelligent life out there ? I don't know. However, some claim that if evidence of aliens visiting here presented itself, goverments would be unable to resist indulging in yet another coverup. The referenced story strengthens that claim. So I would not look to the government to just share what it knows. Would this coverup be 100% effective ? Likely not. It would start to leak here and there. You would have military and intelligence folks, astronauts and others, coming out with these "I want to say something before I die" stories. Which is what we see.
What about the fact that the pledge was written by a socialist to advance socialist ideas?
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." Proverbs 16:25 (NKJV)
UFO's are a sham perpetuated by little Stevie S'berg and a cabal of ultra-liberal Hollywood elite.
It's:
1) Atmospheric reflection(hmm five lights moving really fast can't be a five fighter formation?)
2) Many bombers encountered ball lightning in WWII but because of lack of science education classified them as UFOs
3) Astronauts aren't seeing aliens.
4) X Planes: Flying wings were classified as aliens but have been in development since WWII. Area 51 was just a base for testing classified military aircraft.
5) Alien abductions are a) mass hysteria and b) usually involve some sort of dream or psychotic episode.
6) Roswell was established as a military x-plane crash at a later date. (The aliens being test pilots in jump suits some drunken hick though were aliens.)
I.e. those soldiers and pilots who would refuse to fight.
It involves a squad of soldiers armed with rifles and a brick wall.
Blindfolds were optional.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Gray-skinned men have been a part of the space program from the beginning.
And just what kind of backward barbarian species would still have "gender"? DISGUSTING!
What is next? You reproduce through sex and divide your society according to geographical features?
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
The thing about the church is that according to Genesis humans are created in God's image and are the crown of his creation, with all other creatures and the Earth subordinate to Man. To have materially advanced aliens flying about would contravene that assertion. This would then weaken the claims of the church. However, Winston was already on shaky ground, as the Church of England was founded by a monarch, Henry VIII, and not by a religious authority. This alone, when the New Testament puts the Church under Peter and his successors should have already weakened the Church. However, Winston had the law on his side and could enforce religious doctrine via the penal code. Very convenient. Lastly, the Church was weakened by the forces that were unleashed through technological advancement in the second half of the 20th century anyway. It was the the later generations that were the aliens! And their uncovering weakened the Church!
Reminds me of the crashed flying saucers that were recovered at Roswell which was truthfully reported by the military and then later called a weather balloon. For the interesting story from a physicist, check out lecture Tue 3/6/2007 of Physics for Future Presidents:
Lectures of Physics for Future Presidents, Spring 2007
(Spoiler: no aliens, but still interesting.)
You should watch Path of Glory.. good old Kubrick..
Bye!
RTFA. "The allegations involving Churchill were made by the grandson of one his personal bodyguards..."
I.e., what was released was a file containing a relatively recent letter from a UFO crank, not an actual Churchill document. "I am writing you because my mom told me that my grandfather told her that one time he overheard Churchill say..."
Without a doubt the most pointless "news" story I've seen this week.
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When did Who ever say we were his favourites?
The prophecies all say that Earth is Important, in the same way that he is Important, and that Master is Important. That's the only reason he works so hard to keep it around.
(I capitalize Important because, within the context, this isn't "who won last night's game" important, or "we just unlocked the secrets to cold fusion" important, but more "the continued existence of, well, existence" Important)
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There are photos and descriptions of saucer-like experimental aircraft that Nazi Germany actually did build and fly towards the end of the second world war. So that's probably all this was. http://www.burlingtonnews.net/ufonazi.html
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(John 10:16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Seems pretty clear to me. Sure sure sure, it could mean the native americans like the mormons believe, but I like aliens better.
Ah, that age-old religious question, "What does God need with a starship?"
You might mention that to the religious right. They trott out the 'gays' or the 'immigrants' every election cycle to rile up the righteous. We see this all the time about someone claiming to be a 'proper' Christian in a forum, but where are you when religious extremists are spewing vitriol all over the screen, the headlines, and in church? Nary a peep.
I'm beginning to think you fear your own people, and you have lost all hope of control of your church.
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"Churchill Accused of Sealing UFO Files, Fearing Public Panic"
As far as I know, a prime minister classifying military encounters isn't a crime...
I find your open-mindedness and unique perspectives refreshing.
However, about reincarnation, I would urge you to read this: http://www.amazon.com/Many-Lives-Masters-Prominent-Psychiatrist/dp/0671657860
It may give some insight into what is so misunderstood, both by "believers" and by "deniers".
In fact, the concept of reincarnation actually solves alot of puzzles about who we are, and why we experience what we do. Why some people have it "easy" and others seem to attract crisis, pain and depression, even murder or crimes. Why certain people are important to us in this lifetime while others aren't. Nothing else can explain things like that like reincarnation might, which is deeply linked with karma (a topic that could cover entire libraries of books in itself and is linked with all of life's most important topics).
If mind and the body is energy. Why would it be impossible that the energy patterns (mind) can outlive the body (matter)? In fact, it is more probable than not, but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to find the reasons for that.
Let's find the truth in the calmness in between these agitated states of mind of "believing" and "denial", and discuss important matters with interest, enthusiasm and curiosity!
Also, a book called "Lives between lives" I think, is also nice and elaborates on interviews with people having experienced death. There seems to be common traits to the death-process, across cultures, traditions and ages, even among so-called "atheists"..
Newly released secret MS Word files contain unlinked text that happened be in memory when the typist was also editing a SciFi movie script at the time, which contain a suggestive typo implying Winston Churchill's father's cousin's former roommate once made an ambiguous statement to a girl in a pub who then repeated it 40 years later (when she was dying of Alzheimer's), to her grandson (who was tripping on LSD at the time to better handle the stressful family reunion), who thought it might hint that Churchill ordered a cover-up of an unexplained lit phosphor on an RAF bomber's radar display which had been assembled by the lowest-bidding English electricians.
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Wrong war, wrong country, wrong army branch.
On a side note, A Very Long Engagement also deals with that subject.
In a COMPLETELY different way.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
...if the US would ever release their own UFO data?
He plays first base.
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They're looking at you saying the same thing.
Seriously, put away the dehumanization
Nice analogy, but if I brought you before a court of law, chances are you would walk away freely. Precisely because there would not be any verifiable _proof_.
Not that I have ever met anyone who presented me with his/her story of how he/she knows God which I found credible even if I trusted the whole story without questioning anything.
This is not to say that I am against religion per se, but at least up to now all religions are _faiths_ based on _belief_, not _facts_.
As an aside, don't you think it's funny that the larger miracles seem to have happened in times when scientific verification was a lot harder? The only one in "recent" times I can think of right now is based solely on the story told by one single adolescent boy who profited from the story, so yah..
> It can be readily created in the lab.
You prolly know it as you said above, but most others do not. There is a drug which can reproducibly create the tunnel of light. Said compound is also occurring naturally in the body. IIRC, it's main use is preservation of the brain in extreme circumstances.
I can't remember the name of the compound, though.
When did Who ever say we were his favourites?
Let's see. He spends a lot of time on earth, and likes to pick up "traveling companions" usually female, and younger.
How many aliens have we seen him traveling around with? There's been a few, but mostly earth females.
So ya, I'd say this is one of his favorites places to go.
Be seeing you...
He's on first.
Matrix fanboy references aside, what, you don't think they had crazies in 20 BC? Some guy goes up a mountain and comes down again and says God spoke to him? Give me a break. The bible in it's entirety is written by man, not god, and has been used through the ages to assert some form of control over the populace (generally no longer effective). "yeah, I think the church is a bit phoney... But I still believe in god". Errm. Yeah, but your entire belief has been heavily affected but what religion has brainwashed you with since childhood. You cannot quite let go of the self-image that contains so much religious propaganda from your childhood. This question is as old as the human species: Man wonders where he originated from and looks to the mysterious stars above and starts contemplating his own existence. It's only a matter of time until some geezer decides there _must_ be an ultimate being, lets call him god. Even secluded tribes in the rainforest who have yet to meet more than a handful of outsiders probably believe in some form of ultimate being due to pyscological needs.
But hey, im not ruling out the fact of an ultimate being. No current evidence doesn't mean no evidence at all. But until _someone_ can show me _any_ evidence (no books allowed), then i'm holding out.
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frankly, the Church destroyed my belief in the Church. I didn't need any help from beings from a distant solar system.
Seriously, carrying signs that have Obama with a bone in his nose, and Gay bashing, I think we are talking exactly talking about dehumanization. Like they have to live with the fall out of their treating others as second class citizens, walling themselves off with a we vs them mentality that puts something like a third of the population as the them (maybe more). Alliens I say, or less than fully human, you choose.
It was recently revealed that it was just Dr. Who and his Tardis....