Ok, so I didn't see any prices on the site, but I didn't see "click here for schematics" or "click here for us to come to your house and make one for you" links either. Or was "free" being used in the verb form implying liberation of the console?
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But look at what first brought computers into the homes of many people - games.
Sure allowing the latest wizbang blow-em-up for linux is going to boost linux's game playing karma. (BTW Quake is around for linux - and if you didn't know that already it seems the karma of linux's gaming is very low to begin with - see note)
Having the greatest word processor in the world for linux isn't going to mean much if you are the only person with it in a sea of windows users who have enough trouble not spreading email viruses to worry about opening your postscript attachment.
All I am saying is for linux to be more accepted it needs a slightly higher userbase. People were I work wouldn't jump on it for office work over their windows 'cause they have windows at home and (for the most part) it does what they need at home. Plays the kids' games, does the taxes, and creates party invitations. If you had a user base where everyone used linux at home for those tasks, then asking them to make the move to a powerful OS coupled with a power office app that everyone on the planet was (without modification or thought) able to share data then we can declare linux a prime time winner. This is not to say that it is not a wonderful server app, or that those in research who currently have $20,000 sun workstations couldn't do the same with a $5,000 intel box with linux - but if your target audience is office users then the world could use a little help in addition to linux.
Note: As for Quake and Columbine - if these games are driving kids to kill kids then where are all the gigantic walls kids should be making after their addictions to tetris!
The site does not appear to be/.'ed since the main link's domain name loads a site...
I did find another site, however, this isn't a mirror of the listed site, but it seems to be a site for the game. For those who do not know what this is all about check out this link
Now let's not/. the poll there!
Relational algebra, primary keys and the like...
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This is off the main topic, but responds to the post above...
There currently exists no good way of searching images. I have been working for sometime to come up with a way to index pictures (no, not by file names) so they could be put into a database (using primary keys that the system generates) so that querries could be run. My idea consists of (for example) having picutres of people sitting, standing, walking, jumping, laying, etc... and a user could draw into a java aplet a stick figure of the pose they are looking for (a use of this would be an art college where students need to do portraits, etc...) and the database has keys of how the general shapes are alligned. Current work is crude (you make big circles for portraits, and horizontal lines for people laying), but I have had some "functional" results - about as good as typing microsoft into google and getting linux.org - they are both OSes, but not much else would lead you to expect the results.
Now, the point that is ontopic. If I/someone can devise a good keying algorithm for pictures (in keeping with the above example) of people and we incorpoarte in a "depth" amount for how broadly your input is searched then I guess you could get the precision down to the point of supplying say the AaskSlashdot-logo (located at the top of this page) as the argument to a querry on scans of paper and return all those with text (treated as image bits, not ASCII) resembling that of AskSlashdot.
The technology isn't here, and may never be. I've looked into a program the army was using to get a system that could spot tanks hidden in images (it was more of an AI issue). And the system worked great on test images that were taken before development of scenes with hidden tanks, and scenes with no tanks at all - but it failed miserably on images taken after development - it was learned later that images with tanks hidden in them were taken on a clear day before development, and those with no tanks were shot on a cloudy day. The system was wonderful at telling if it was cloudy out - not at finding tanks however.
Ok, that takes care of step 2 (the easy step - there are simple and cheap programs for other OS platforms that do the same thing), it's step 1 that's the problem - getting the paper copy into the computer - including text, pictures, and the proper formatting* - then doing step 2 to output the silly thing into whatever format the ultimate recipient (management, web, german speaking clients, etc...) wants.
* - getting formatting out of OCR is the problem that many in this discussion are talking about - you can get reliable OCR but that's lacking pictures and formatting - you can get good formatting but lose accurate charater recognition - and you can grap the pictures, but lose text and formatting. Since you are brining up the MAC side maybe you (or another MAC using person) can suggest a good product/technique/prayer to help with step 1.
Speaking as a former intern under a guy who wanted all these meeting minutes from the early 80s on put on the web I know what you are asking for. I knew HTML and simple coding then, and was only being asked to translate them to HTML. What I did, was OCR a ton of the text, only to reduce the keystrokes (it's much easier to drink coffee while swapping pages in a scanner every few seconds then it is typing all day) then I spell checked them as an initial step, formatted them by hand. Then when I moved onto the next ton, and they were in the scanner bed I would check the grammar of those which I did in the first batch.
So, I ended up being the cheap labor to get the stuff together, but I incorporated the error checked suggested by the other replies, and I utilized OCR to minimize carpel tunnel damage.
Yeah, it took a while, and yes I got paid little in comparison to the other people at the location, but I got paid, they got their silly meeting minutes online, and they didn't have to hire 1,000 monkeys with 1,000 type-writers and have redundancy of people or invest in vast warehouses of paper feeders.
The scale of my work: I worked on a series of bound volumes that took up 3+ feet on a bookshelf and I completed the work on my own in less than 2 weeks (while also feilding tech support questions from the group). If you have 1,000,000 pages to be put online yesterday, maybe you could use a larger staff - but always remember:
If it takes a farmer 3 days to plow a field, and 3 farms only a day to plow the same field, and it takes one woman 9 months to have a baby, how many months does it take 9 women to have one baby?
Often putting more people on a project doesn't equate to faster solutions or better ones and usually not cheaper ones.
(they were on the left side of the screen under "Sections")... why only those sections and not... say "linux" or "games" but atleast it's a start departmentalizing some issues away from the main page. I didn't bother writing the links in this time... I think we all the idea there are links on the right side of the page.
I've been finding these little nich articles pleasing - they seem to be a good secret of/. keeping a lot of trolls away, and I often find myself looking deep into the posters comments and not glossing over them like I do out on the main page.
A: They live longer to train for many more years of their life to repair and maintain and operate these robots.
You say they train to do their job safely - it is true safety is a major factor of/for training, but that doesn't mean that a space walk is any safer than walking a tightrope - people train all thier lives to walk the tightrope and still some get hurt.
As previous replies have stated it has nothing to do with badnwidth and all to do with latancy. A few years back I was at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia, PA. and they had an exhibit where you controled a robot arm - only you had lag between your signal being sent, and a display back from the arm. This was simulating running an arm on (I believe) the moon - and let me tell you - it was darned tough to do anything!
From what I've seen from the Pathfinder and the (sigh) Polar Lander's concepts - there could be some subroutines that you can trigger remotely. Also, since the intent of the space station is to have people aboard I don't see why someone there couldn't show the robot where the repairs are needed.
I got the ISOs but I haven't put it on a machine yet where I run X, so I'm wrondering about the wheel mouse - when I did the server isntalls nothing seemed to jump out and bite me that I had to pick something different to enable wheel mice - do they just work after installed?
I have pondered many times about those other two mentioned CDs, I checked all of the mirrors (even when the psu.edu mirror was up for the first day of the release only to disappear quickly) and cheapbytes doesn't have them for sale on CDR so I'm thinking it's not openly available for FTP.
My question reguarding them extends beyond where to get them - but what's on them? Anyone with a box set out there know what more you get if you use them?
If it's the meaning of life I might buy a boxed set, but with those "packages galore" sets from cheapbytes, there had better be something amazing on those other two disks....
Did you ever check the config of AIM? You can set it up to not auto-smiley, and if you have an away message set you can set it to "hide" IMs (thus preventing you from being brought in from a full screen game, and you can have it disable sounds. As for volume control - AIM uses straight wave files, which you can edit using many software programs and reduce their volume levels. As for the text handling, I'm not exactly sure what your beef with it is or how to enhance it.
If you can't figure it out, you're probably not looking in the right places.
A factor for me would be could I use it to create a new ssh that would allow a person nammed: Linda Null with the user name null to access a machine via ssh.
I've heard the claims that kids shoot people after playing these video games... but where are the kids who should be creating giant walls after playing tetris??
THE WITNESS: I'm sorry, because I've got 102 fever and it's affecting my ears. I just did not hear.
MR. COOPER: Could you read it back more loudly?
BY MR. GARBUS: Do you want to take a break from the deposition?
A No. This is fine. I'm going to do the best I can. When I find out I can't go anymore I'll tell you, but right now I want to continue this. I just need -- I didn't understand the question. I'm so sorry.
The team that develops the product (ie the second team) has to have some way of showing that they do not know about the original product. This is often not easy to do since you need to find skilled people to develop a product but in the course of them gaining skills they never came accross your product. These people are refered to as software vigins and demand a pretty hefty price for the knowledge and *lack* of experience in certain areas, since after completion of a project they now have experience in that area.
A famous example of virgins in action is the development of IBM PC clones. Sure you could buy an intel CPU chip off the shelf, and a video card from someone, but they key to an IBM clone was their ROM BIOS - something that IBM didn't want to sell to everyone. So people like compaq hired people (don't ask me where they found them) who had experience designing hardware, but had somehow never seen the IBM BIOS to develop a product based on team A (who are new dirty since they have intemately gotten to know the IBM BIOS)'s product design.
A very imporant key is the cleanlyness of the virgins - since if you lie about them, the vendor being copied can show that your hole development process was a charade.
An attempt to keep things from looking too obvious is to use sort of an OO approach wherein your dirty design team breaks the product down into so many sub components that the developer of each respective component has no clue of what the project is they are working on. This type of practice is common in governmnet positions where keeping lowly joe-coder from knowing if his sub-routine will be for a secretaries email cilent or for a missile pointed at Russia.
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inspected by a reliable and unbiased third party [I added the bold]
Finding a truely unbiased third party is all too difficult in this day and age. Companies pay other companies for a supposide unbiased look at things and certify the product as OK, but in the paying I feel they immediately become biased - if even only a little. That is why I feel that the best candidates to review products are the biggeset enemies of the product. They would be best prone to doing any inspection quickly and at no cost to the consumer or the vendor being inspected. I would also trust the greatest enemy of the product more when they say it's ok than I would trust the vendor's best friend.
If MS broke up, and MS1 reviewed MS2's product and hailed it the best product of the year, would you even bat an eye? But if red hat began shipping with Office 2000, IE, and outlook - would you stop and take a little more interest into why red hat would do this? What if red hat said they felt it was a stable product? Would you then think even a little higher of those products?
Slashdot Mirror
Will they suffer from alzhiemers?
If I make my computer a duel boot will it be suffering from multiple personality disorder?
What type of system were you running it on? Linux, solaris, intel, sparc?
I noticed an odd thing in earlier betas - spell checker didn't notice words where there was punctuation. Example:
howeverr,
himmo.
exampel:
Anyone know if the full release has this fixed?? If not why should I bother with this onee.
I didn't see any CD images on your download link at the top of the page listed on your user info. The only images were jpegs.
Can you repost the file or if you know of the place you are mirroring can you post that?
Ok, so I didn't see any prices on the site, but I didn't see "click here for schematics" or "click here for us to come to your house and make one for you" links either. Or was "free" being used in the verb form implying liberation of the console?
But look at what first brought computers into the homes of many people - games.
Sure allowing the latest wizbang blow-em-up for linux is going to boost linux's game playing karma. (BTW Quake is around for linux - and if you didn't know that already it seems the karma of linux's gaming is very low to begin with - see note)
Having the greatest word processor in the world for linux isn't going to mean much if you are the only person with it in a sea of windows users who have enough trouble not spreading email viruses to worry about opening your postscript attachment.
All I am saying is for linux to be more accepted it needs a slightly higher userbase. People were I work wouldn't jump on it for office work over their windows 'cause they have windows at home and (for the most part) it does what they need at home. Plays the kids' games, does the taxes, and creates party invitations. If you had a user base where everyone used linux at home for those tasks, then asking them to make the move to a powerful OS coupled with a power office app that everyone on the planet was (without modification or thought) able to share data then we can declare linux a prime time winner. This is not to say that it is not a wonderful server app, or that those in research who currently have $20,000 sun workstations couldn't do the same with a $5,000 intel box with linux - but if your target audience is office users then the world could use a little help in addition to linux.
Note: As for Quake and Columbine - if these games are driving kids to kill kids then where are all the gigantic walls kids should be making after their addictions to tetris!
The site does not appear to be /.'ed since the main link's domain name loads a site...
/. the poll there!
I did find another site, however, this isn't a mirror of the listed site, but it seems to be a site for the game. For those who do not know what this is all about check out this link
Now let's not
This is off the main topic, but responds to the post above...
There currently exists no good way of searching images. I have been working for sometime to come up with a way to index pictures (no, not by file names) so they could be put into a database (using primary keys that the system generates) so that querries could be run. My idea consists of (for example) having picutres of people sitting, standing, walking, jumping, laying, etc... and a user could draw into a java aplet a stick figure of the pose they are looking for (a use of this would be an art college where students need to do portraits, etc...) and the database has keys of how the general shapes are alligned. Current work is crude (you make big circles for portraits, and horizontal lines for people laying), but I have had some "functional" results - about as good as typing microsoft into google and getting linux.org - they are both OSes, but not much else would lead you to expect the results.
Now, the point that is ontopic. If I/someone can devise a good keying algorithm for pictures (in keeping with the above example) of people and we incorpoarte in a "depth" amount for how broadly your input is searched then I guess you could get the precision down to the point of supplying say the AaskSlashdot-logo (located at the top of this page) as the argument to a querry on scans of paper and return all those with text (treated as image bits, not ASCII) resembling that of AskSlashdot.
The technology isn't here, and may never be. I've looked into a program the army was using to get a system that could spot tanks hidden in images (it was more of an AI issue). And the system worked great on test images that were taken before development of scenes with hidden tanks, and scenes with no tanks at all - but it failed miserably on images taken after development - it was learned later that images with tanks hidden in them were taken on a clear day before development, and those with no tanks were shot on a cloudy day. The system was wonderful at telling if it was cloudy out - not at finding tanks however.
Ok, that takes care of step 2 (the easy step - there are simple and cheap programs for other OS platforms that do the same thing), it's step 1 that's the problem - getting the paper copy into the computer - including text, pictures, and the proper formatting* - then doing step 2 to output the silly thing into whatever format the ultimate recipient (management, web, german speaking clients, etc...) wants.
* - getting formatting out of OCR is the problem that many in this discussion are talking about - you can get reliable OCR but that's lacking pictures and formatting - you can get good formatting but lose accurate charater recognition - and you can grap the pictures, but lose text and formatting. Since you are brining up the MAC side maybe you (or another MAC using person) can suggest a good product/technique/prayer to help with step 1.
Speaking as a former intern under a guy who wanted all these meeting minutes from the early 80s on put on the web I know what you are asking for. I knew HTML and simple coding then, and was only being asked to translate them to HTML. What I did, was OCR a ton of the text, only to reduce the keystrokes (it's much easier to drink coffee while swapping pages in a scanner every few seconds then it is typing all day) then I spell checked them as an initial step, formatted them by hand. Then when I moved onto the next ton, and they were in the scanner bed I would check the grammar of those which I did in the first batch.
So, I ended up being the cheap labor to get the stuff together, but I incorporated the error checked suggested by the other replies, and I utilized OCR to minimize carpel tunnel damage.
Yeah, it took a while, and yes I got paid little in comparison to the other people at the location, but I got paid, they got their silly meeting minutes online, and they didn't have to hire 1,000 monkeys with 1,000 type-writers and have redundancy of people or invest in vast warehouses of paper feeders.
The scale of my work: I worked on a series of bound volumes that took up 3+ feet on a bookshelf and I completed the work on my own in less than 2 weeks (while also feilding tech support questions from the group). If you have 1,000,000 pages to be put online yesterday, maybe you could use a larger staff - but always remember:
If it takes a farmer 3 days to plow a field, and 3 farms only a day to plow the same field, and it takes one woman 9 months to have a baby, how many months does it take 9 women to have one baby?
Often putting more people on a project doesn't equate to faster solutions or better ones and usually not cheaper ones.
After I posted the above I went in search of more and this is what I've got:
... why only those sections and not ... say "linux" or "games" but atleast it's a start departmentalizing some issues away from the main page. I didn't bother writing the links in this time... I think we all the idea there are links on the right side of the page.
http://slashdot.org/apache/
http://slashdot.org/awards/ (nothing there)
http://slashdot.org/books/
http://slashdot.org/bsd/
http://slashdot.org/features/
http://slashdot.org/interviews
http://slashdot.org/yro/ (your rights online)
(they were on the left side of the screen under "Sections")
I've been finding these little nich articles pleasing - they seem to be a good secret of /. keeping a lot of trolls away, and I often find myself looking deep into the posters comments and not glossing over them like I do out on the main page.
/. ??
These are the two sub parts I have found:
http://slashdot.org/science
http://slashdot.org/askslashdot
The stories that appear in these sometimes also appear on the main page. Anyone find anyother good sub-portions of
A: They live longer to train for many more years of their life to repair and maintain and operate these robots.
You say they train to do their job safely - it is true safety is a major factor of/for training, but that doesn't mean that a space walk is any safer than walking a tightrope - people train all thier lives to walk the tightrope and still some get hurt.
As previous replies have stated it has nothing to do with badnwidth and all to do with latancy. A few years back I was at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia, PA. and they had an exhibit where you controled a robot arm - only you had lag between your signal being sent, and a display back from the arm. This was simulating running an arm on (I believe) the moon - and let me tell you - it was darned tough to do anything!
From what I've seen from the Pathfinder and the (sigh) Polar Lander's concepts - there could be some subroutines that you can trigger remotely. Also, since the intent of the space station is to have people aboard I don't see why someone there couldn't show the robot where the repairs are needed.
I got the ISOs but I haven't put it on a machine yet where I run X, so I'm wrondering about the wheel mouse - when I did the server isntalls nothing seemed to jump out and bite me that I had to pick something different to enable wheel mice - do they just work after installed?
I have pondered many times about those other two mentioned CDs, I checked all of the mirrors (even when the psu.edu mirror was up for the first day of the release only to disappear quickly) and cheapbytes doesn't have them for sale on CDR so I'm thinking it's not openly available for FTP.
My question reguarding them extends beyond where to get them - but what's on them? Anyone with a box set out there know what more you get if you use them?
If it's the meaning of life I might buy a boxed set, but with those "packages galore" sets from cheapbytes, there had better be something amazing on those other two disks....
Did you ever check the config of AIM? You can set it up to not auto-smiley, and if you have an away message set you can set it to "hide" IMs (thus preventing you from being brought in from a full screen game, and you can have it disable sounds. As for volume control - AIM uses straight wave files, which you can edit using many software programs and reduce their volume levels. As for the text handling, I'm not exactly sure what your beef with it is or how to enhance it.
If you can't figure it out, you're probably not looking in the right places.
I thought they stopped supporting their tik client before the whole MSN thing.
And since I haven't seen anyone else post it yet the gaim website is:
http://www.marko.net/gaim/
A factor for me would be could I use it to create a new ssh that would allow a person nammed: Linda Null with the user name null to access a machine via ssh.
I've heard the claims that kids shoot people after playing these video games... but where are the kids who should be creating giant walls after playing tetris??
I was really enjoying the testimony... 'til I hit the pages and pages of "Confidential" and nearly wore out my page down key...
He was sick:
THE WITNESS: I'm sorry, because I've got 102 fever and it's affecting my ears. I just did not hear.
MR. COOPER: Could you read it back more loudly?
BY MR. GARBUS: Do you want to take a break from the deposition?
A No. This is fine. I'm going to do the best I can. When I find out I can't go anymore I'll tell you, but right now I want to continue this. I just need -- I didn't understand the question. I'm so sorry.
Q You have been on television both with respect to your role as MPAA president and in your previous life?
A Yes.
Q Can you just tell us for a moment whatyour previous life consisted of?
LOL So, reincarnation is is being offered into evidence... Any guesses as to who he was in a former life - remember he was on TV during it =)
The team that develops the product (ie the second team) has to have some way of showing that they do not know about the original product. This is often not easy to do since you need to find skilled people to develop a product but in the course of them gaining skills they never came accross your product. These people are refered to as software vigins and demand a pretty hefty price for the knowledge and *lack* of experience in certain areas, since after completion of a project they now have experience in that area.
A famous example of virgins in action is the development of IBM PC clones. Sure you could buy an intel CPU chip off the shelf, and a video card from someone, but they key to an IBM clone was their ROM BIOS - something that IBM didn't want to sell to everyone. So people like compaq hired people (don't ask me where they found them) who had experience designing hardware, but had somehow never seen the IBM BIOS to develop a product based on team A (who are new dirty since they have intemately gotten to know the IBM BIOS)'s product design.
A very imporant key is the cleanlyness of the virgins - since if you lie about them, the vendor being copied can show that your hole development process was a charade.
An attempt to keep things from looking too obvious is to use sort of an OO approach wherein your dirty design team breaks the product down into so many sub components that the developer of each respective component has no clue of what the project is they are working on. This type of practice is common in governmnet positions where keeping lowly joe-coder from knowing if his sub-routine will be for a secretaries email cilent or for a missile pointed at Russia.
inspected by a reliable and unbiased third party [I added the bold]
Finding a truely unbiased third party is all too difficult in this day and age. Companies pay other companies for a supposide unbiased look at things and certify the product as OK, but in the paying I feel they immediately become biased - if even only a little. That is why I feel that the best candidates to review products are the biggeset enemies of the product. They would be best prone to doing any inspection quickly and at no cost to the consumer or the vendor being inspected. I would also trust the greatest enemy of the product more when they say it's ok than I would trust the vendor's best friend.
If MS broke up, and MS1 reviewed MS2's product and hailed it the best product of the year, would you even bat an eye? But if red hat began shipping with Office 2000, IE, and outlook - would you stop and take a little more interest into why red hat would do this? What if red hat said they felt it was a stable product? Would you then think even a little higher of those products?