No, that's not what this is about. As has been said already: the FBI is investigating something which involves a box getting 0wned. They know (honeypot?) that the said 0wning included a wget download of nmap, presumably because the cracker wanted to install it. The thing is, the cracker was downloading a particular version. And it was wget, not ftp, so the person had to know the exact URL.
We know that they know the attacker used wget from their box. If he/she'd also browsed to insecure from there they'd know it. So they figure that the URL was pasted into the terminal from a browser/other terminal on the attacker's machine. If that is what happened, they're closer to an ip. Of course, it might be spoofed any number of ways but it's another step forward.
Nope - money. The "Help America Vote Act" was mostly a giveaway to Republican-controlled companies to put together a dog and pony show. The problem is that there aren't enough lawyers involved.
what will happen if Kerry gets elected and the world sees that bin Laden's tactics get results?
What the world will see, pardon me, is that the entirety of the US is not completely sold to the fundementalists currently in power. That will be their first thought. The French won't be saying that OBL sure taught Bush a lesson. They wil be relieved to see that, though it's been very difficult to tell from watching your news, a significant portion of the US people have managed to maintain their intellectual wits (not to mention their sanity).
That said, i suppose you were probably referring more directly to those sympathetic to OBL. They'll think the same as above and their next thoughts will most likely be, "ok - wtf now?" The devil they don't know, ya know Don't assume they'll be dancing in the streets.
It worries me that scenes of celebrating around the world might be played on teevee as though it were a nod and a wink to OBL. Truly stomache-churning but right in line with "Freedom Fries". *sigh*
If Osama is able to plan and carry out attacks, why have they been sitting on their thumbs?
Anyway, further to khasim's post: Do you think the 9/11 attacks were simple to pull off? Do you think it'd be more or less difficult to pull off today? It's absurd that the GOP are taking credit for there not being any attacks on American soil.* Next Bush will be taking credit for warding off tornadoes. For that's what your "War on Terror" amounts to in any case.
Forget this notion that OBL needs some Dr. Evil lair from which to direct his operations. Forget the idea that he's running this. Kill him, by all means, but don't thin that'll solve anything one bit. You're fighting something with many heads. Or no heads. In Iraq alone you've got something like what the Germans faced in Yugoslavia. And there's money pouring in from all kinds of sources. Oil, drugs, extortion... And don't forget all the weapons which had been stashed away even before Rummy fired the Iraqi forces (he should be tried for that, imo). And can you imagine what ~350 tonnes of very potent not-construction-dynamite explosives will do for you average Jihad? I'd say they're doing fine without without sending the "Homeland" into Code Red.
Meanwhile, your troops are suffering the thousand cuts right now in The New Free Iraq.** The enemies of the US know that you are politically isolated. They are killing Brits and Turks and Spaniards to make you more so.
* gee, whatever came of that silly anthrax thing?
** Quick quiz: how many Iraqi and Afghani soldiers and policemen were kidnapped and/or killed in the past year? How many coalition troops? How many aid workers? Journalists?
i think grandparent was referring to the way he ranted on about it at his "appearances" after the debate. They really latched on to that but it only seemed rather pathetic. Like most of what comes out of republicans' mouths these days. Seriously, look at the stupid angry-little-boy look on Bush's face when he says "He forgot Poland!"
We all know Kerry forgot to mention them. It's not a huge offense, to the Polish or anyone else. He forgot. Big deal. But the way they (repubs) rant on about little shit like this when there is so much more that is important to be dealing with is patently offensive. Bush and co. are such a huge embarassment. And dangerous. Scary dangerous.
Mother Earth, Mother Board -- i thought the same when i was reading cryptonomicon. I too would look to read an expanded version. It'd also make for a really good several-part doc (as long as it's not done like some of the latest Nova shows))
I remember seeing that video from Mexico City* with the saucer moving between some apt. buildings on the news. Then nothing else. Later there was some talk about it being considered to be faked. Dunno myself. But what i'm getting at is that mutiple videos/stills from all sorts of vantage points is going to pretty difficult to ignore. Then, it doesn't matter that it's digital. As long as you've got some quality stuff it'd be all over the news, with all the other shots backing it up.
i'm talking about an event such as depicted in the above-mentioned video, not just some bloopy lights after dark.
* Not the eclipse sighting mentioned by the parent (which may have been Venus, iac).
Too true. But the great, unwashed mass of 'believers' makes it a difficult subject to justify.
I'm confident that more and more will be recorded and thus, bring it out into the open some more. Unfortunately, a) most of those will be digital and, b) most of those will be from someone's cell phone. So it may still be a while.
Or some flash-mob savant will see something and tell two friends and cause one hell of a lot of people to look up.
Here's a short article about that. He wasn't a test pilot then, afaik. That was when he was stationed in Germany. The film was shot later, while on the ground at Edwards AFB. He denies seeing any from space, however.
On top of it, you have a lot of opportunists who are ready to make (and have made) a mint from "believers."
Sure, there's a lot of hokum spread about. But how is that different than say, music and the Music Industry(tm)? Or religion and the, well, Religion Industry(tm)? It's regretful, though not really surprising. So some (many) people 'believe' without fully contemplating the known facts. It makes it difficult to get serious work done but it doesn't erase the value of the matter to those of us who take it seriously.
BTW, i hate the term 'ufo believers' as it makes me think of the widespread use of consumer for citizen these days. (So i guess i can endorse your use of it here;-)
On another note, I'm glad we went to Iraq. I think if you aren't, you would be the sort to stand by a watch while somebody was being mugged, raped, assaulted, etc. But that's my opinion.
Pretty sad opinion, i'd say. I know i've not stood by. Will you step up for Bangladesh? Zimbabwe? Sudan? Chechnya? Burma? big hero? You get all puffed about you're big 'liberation' when in fact the situation seems more like some asshole who assaults a rape victim "I chased off that bad Saddam, he won't hurt ya - now bend over, bitch"
Duck, here comes Mighty America, looking out for us all
I want to know what each candidates position is on things that are pertinent to me... guns... gay marriage... abortion, illegal immigration, patents, copyrights, taxes, our economy, healthcare, and so on. Once I know that, I'll vote for the candidate I like best.
The gulf between us is that you can see nothing unfortunate with the above order of 'things' you deem important.
He's talking about his generation of boy-soldiers, sent off to who-fucking-knows to kill, and kill savagely.* Kerry was there representing many others. It's evident several times that he's humbled by it, in fact. Interesting that that section is headed "Feelings of Men Coming Back from Vietnam".
* he's not pretending that the Viet Cong were pleasant chaps, either.
"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
-John Kerry, Meet The Press, April 18, 1971
That is the incriminating quote.
Incriminating of what, exactly? That he took part in what the others were doing? Yes, we know. He came back and complained loudly about it, you see? He (and many others) was saying that the normal day in Vietnam for a lot of them included activities generally agreed to be war crimes. And few in the US cared.
I posted that lengthy quote from his testimony before the Senate to show just how distorted some of those statements have been depicted:
... they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads... [guess they were a bit squeamish about genitals] cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians
And then others like yourself spouting off about how he admitted to war crimes. When he says, "there are all kinds of atrocities...", he means, sure, i guess you could say me and thousands of other guys comitted attrocities, which is what we think the conduct of this war has become. Did he cut off anyone's ear? No, afaik. Was he really concerned for the state of a nation which sanctioned that. You betcha.
His Senate testimony makes clear what he means. The quote from meet the press only shows that he's not a princess.
He was talking about the statements made by other people. From the transcript:
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.
It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
Please read the transcript (hell, skim it) before coming to any conclusions about Kerry's actions in '72. The 'media' sure ain't going to clarify any of this. We need to do it ourselves.
so i won't attempt any alternate history. The point is that he did nothing. It seems acceptable by all that Bush's chief of staff, Andrew Card, said to him "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack." Opinions diverge at this point. Card later had this take on it:
The President, in front of very young students, paused for a quick and quiet moment as he focused on the challenge. His leadership and resolve were soon evident to the world.
Criminy! The US was under attack by persons/entities unknown and he did not bolt? The SS Red Team did not spring into action? WTF was going on here? He sat there for seven minutes completely outside communication* while this was unfolding. Appearing resolved for the cameras a few days later doesn't cut it. I can't fathom that he's been compared to Winston Churchill.**
Secret Service agents and other security personnel had set up a television in a nearby classroom. They turned on the TV just as Flight 175 crashed into the World Trade Center. According to Sarasota County Sheriff Bill Balkwill, who was in the room, a Marine responsible for carrying Bush's phone immediately said to Balkwill, "We're out of here. Can you get everyone ready?" [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/02]*** But he must have been overruled by someone, because Bush did not leave. (my emphasis)
The quote above is from this page which gives an account of Bush's actions that day. Interesting read. Is it factual? That's what we're trying to find out.
I'm not going to download the video on my dialup connection
i urge you to see the (entire) video. It's sobering.
* though supposedly, Ari Fleischer, his press secretary, wrote "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET" and held it up for Bush to see. But that doesn't really count
** But it's funny for two reasons. Here's an interesting article about some parallels between events in America during ~1930--45 and those today.
*** the attribution to the herald-trib points to this link, which appears to no longer exist.
I know the booties are for traction, but i'm sure they're differently coloured not only to let the minders keep track of their charges but also to appeal to a certain kind of nerd. I didn't see any red members - perhaps it's so as not to make them uneasy on their first 'mission'.
this image he posted looks like it could be a promotional shot for a new sitcom about the wacky misadventures of the world's first private, zany space company.
And i think i just saw cnn's thing from that promotional flight. There was indeed at least one holding the bag to her face, being lead away and looking a tad more than solemn (thank god the minders do that - eeww! float over there!) Miles O'brien (sp) says he kept it down.
Another solution is to put the smarts into the skin so only a "summary" signal needs to go back through the various joints.
And and each summariser may be given a new factor depending on what's most necessary to pay attention to. "Walking...Walking...Falling Over...FALLING OVER!..." Nerves are 2-way. Lots that could be done with this.
I agree about the mouse - Apple is pretty strange when it comes to mice. I use a logitech usb wheel mouse with my ibook. Scroll (awkwardly) doubles a 3rd button. But scroll support is great. You can wheel up a terminal window, move a photoshop image in the window, etc. Haven't figured out how to scroll the page with it in acrobat, though.
Toss the apple mouse out, or find some odd use for it (i think i once saw some site featuring just that for the first g4 mice).
The default 'look' of osX is not so hot, either. Luckily, that's easily configurable.
All else aside, this is a fine example of how many think these days. What a shame that you seem to think it unreasonable for others taking a dim view at being kicked. Is it really this hopeless?
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No, that's not what this is about. As has been said already: the FBI is investigating something which involves a box getting 0wned. They know (honeypot?) that the said 0wning included a wget download of nmap, presumably because the cracker wanted to install it. The thing is, the cracker was downloading a particular version. And it was wget, not ftp, so the person had to know the exact URL.
We know that they know the attacker used wget from their box. If he/she'd also browsed to insecure from there they'd know it. So they figure that the URL was pasted into the terminal from a browser/other terminal on the attacker's machine. If that is what happened, they're closer to an ip. Of course, it might be spoofed any number of ways but it's another step forward.
This doesn't really sound so scary at all.
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is dead on. Don't fuck around, you're in big trouble. I'm Canadian, and so easy for me to say, but fer fuck's sakes - enough of their bullshit.
Nope - money. The "Help America Vote Act" was mostly a giveaway to Republican-controlled companies to put together a dog and pony show. The problem is that there aren't enough lawyers involved.
what will happen if Kerry gets elected and the world sees that bin Laden's tactics get results?
What the world will see, pardon me, is that the entirety of the US is not completely sold to the fundementalists currently in power. That will be their first thought. The French won't be saying that OBL sure taught Bush a lesson. They wil be relieved to see that, though it's been very difficult to tell from watching your news, a significant portion of the US people have managed to maintain their intellectual wits (not to mention their sanity).
That said, i suppose you were probably referring more directly to those sympathetic to OBL. They'll think the same as above and their next thoughts will most likely be, "ok - wtf now?" The devil they don't know, ya know Don't assume they'll be dancing in the streets.
It worries me that scenes of celebrating around the world might be played on teevee as though it were a nod and a wink to OBL. Truly stomache-churning but right in line with "Freedom Fries". *sigh*
If Osama is able to plan and carry out attacks, why have they been sitting on their thumbs?
Anyway, further to khasim's post: Do you think the 9/11 attacks were simple to pull off? Do you think it'd be more or less difficult to pull off today? It's absurd that the GOP are taking credit for there not being any attacks on American soil.* Next Bush will be taking credit for warding off tornadoes. For that's what your "War on Terror" amounts to in any case.
Forget this notion that OBL needs some Dr. Evil lair from which to direct his operations. Forget the idea that he's running this. Kill him, by all means, but don't thin that'll solve anything one bit. You're fighting something with many heads. Or no heads. In Iraq alone you've got something like what the Germans faced in Yugoslavia. And there's money pouring in from all kinds of sources. Oil, drugs, extortion... And don't forget all the weapons which had been stashed away even before Rummy fired the Iraqi forces (he should be tried for that, imo). And can you imagine what ~350 tonnes of very potent not-construction-dynamite explosives will do for you average Jihad? I'd say they're doing fine without without sending the "Homeland" into Code Red.
Meanwhile, your troops are suffering the thousand cuts right now in The New Free Iraq.** The enemies of the US know that you are politically isolated. They are killing Brits and Turks and Spaniards to make you more so.
* gee, whatever came of that silly anthrax thing?
** Quick quiz: how many Iraqi and Afghani soldiers and policemen were kidnapped and/or killed in the past year? How many coalition troops? How many aid workers? Journalists?
Go look.
made of wood?!
i think grandparent was referring to the way he ranted on about it at his "appearances" after the debate. They really latched on to that but it only seemed rather pathetic. Like most of what comes out of republicans' mouths these days. Seriously, look at the stupid angry-little-boy look on Bush's face when he says "He forgot Poland!"
We all know Kerry forgot to mention them. It's not a huge offense, to the Polish or anyone else. He forgot. Big deal. But the way they (repubs) rant on about little shit like this when there is so much more that is important to be dealing with is patently offensive. Bush and co. are such a huge embarassment. And dangerous. Scary dangerous.
May God forgive the United States of America.
Mother Earth, Mother Board -- i thought the same when i was reading cryptonomicon. I too would look to read an expanded version. It'd also make for a really good several-part doc (as long as it's not done like some of the latest Nova shows))
I remember seeing that video from Mexico City* with the saucer moving between some apt. buildings on the news. Then nothing else. Later there was some talk about it being considered to be faked. Dunno myself. But what i'm getting at is that mutiple videos/stills from all sorts of vantage points is going to pretty difficult to ignore. Then, it doesn't matter that it's digital. As long as you've got some quality stuff it'd be all over the news, with all the other shots backing it up.
i'm talking about an event such as depicted in the above-mentioned video, not just some bloopy lights after dark.
* Not the eclipse sighting mentioned by the parent (which may have been Venus, iac).
Too true. But the great, unwashed mass of 'believers' makes it a difficult subject to justify.
I'm confident that more and more will be recorded and thus, bring it out into the open some more. Unfortunately, a) most of those will be digital and, b) most of those will be from someone's cell phone. So it may still be a while.
Or some flash-mob savant will see something and tell two friends and cause one hell of a lot of people to look up.
Leaving your 'hobbyist' remark aside... I think it's great that we live in age when our astronauts die of old age.
(ok, leaving aside cobwebbed space program..)
Here's a short article about that. He wasn't a test pilot then, afaik. That was when he was stationed in Germany. The film was shot later, while on the ground at Edwards AFB. He denies seeing any from space, however.
On top of it, you have a lot of opportunists who are ready to make (and have made) a mint from "believers."
Sure, there's a lot of hokum spread about. But how is that different than say, music and the Music Industry(tm)? Or religion and the, well, Religion Industry(tm)? It's regretful, though not really surprising. So some (many) people 'believe' without fully contemplating the known facts. It makes it difficult to get serious work done but it doesn't erase the value of the matter to those of us who take it seriously.
BTW, i hate the term 'ufo believers' as it makes me think of the widespread use of consumer for citizen these days. (So i guess i can endorse your use of it here ;-)
even if he's just trying to convince himself that, yes - her boobies are WIGGLING!!
On another note, I'm glad we went to Iraq. I think if you aren't, you would be the sort to stand by a watch while somebody was being mugged, raped, assaulted, etc. But that's my opinion.
Pretty sad opinion, i'd say. I know i've not stood by. Will you step up for Bangladesh? Zimbabwe? Sudan? Chechnya? Burma? big hero? You get all puffed about you're big 'liberation' when in fact the situation seems more like some asshole who assaults a rape victim "I chased off that bad Saddam, he won't hurt ya - now bend over, bitch"
Duck, here comes Mighty America, looking out for us all
I want to know what each candidates position is on things that are pertinent to me... guns ... gay marriage ... abortion, illegal immigration, patents, copyrights, taxes, our economy, healthcare, and so on. Once I know that, I'll vote for the candidate I like best.
The gulf between us is that you can see nothing unfortunate with the above order of 'things' you deem important.
He's talking about his generation of boy-soldiers, sent off to who-fucking-knows to kill, and kill savagely.* Kerry was there representing many others. It's evident several times that he's humbled by it, in fact. Interesting that that section is headed "Feelings of Men Coming Back from Vietnam".
* he's not pretending that the Viet Cong were pleasant chaps, either.
from your other post:
Incriminating of what, exactly? That he took part in what the others were doing? Yes, we know. He came back and complained loudly about it, you see? He (and many others) was saying that the normal day in Vietnam for a lot of them included activities generally agreed to be war crimes. And few in the US cared.
I posted that lengthy quote from his testimony before the Senate to show just how distorted some of those statements have been depicted:
And then others like yourself spouting off about how he admitted to war crimes. When he says, "there are all kinds of atrocities...", he means, sure, i guess you could say me and thousands of other guys comitted attrocities, which is what we think the conduct of this war has become. Did he cut off anyone's ear? No, afaik. Was he really concerned for the state of a nation which sanctioned that. You betcha.
His Senate testimony makes clear what he means. The quote from meet the press only shows that he's not a princess.
He was talking about the statements made by other people. From the transcript:
Please read the transcript (hell, skim it) before coming to any conclusions about Kerry's actions in '72. The 'media' sure ain't going to clarify any of this. We need to do it ourselves.
Why do you immediately assume that? We're genuinely concerned about the political health of the US. Why such antagonism about that?
so i won't attempt any alternate history. The point is that he did nothing. It seems acceptable by all that Bush's chief of staff, Andrew Card, said to him "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack." Opinions diverge at this point. Card later had this take on it:
Criminy! The US was under attack by persons/entities unknown and he did not bolt? The SS Red Team did not spring into action? WTF was going on here? He sat there for seven minutes completely outside communication* while this was unfolding. Appearing resolved for the cameras a few days later doesn't cut it. I can't fathom that he's been compared to Winston Churchill.**
The quote above is from this page which gives an account of Bush's actions that day. Interesting read. Is it factual? That's what we're trying to find out.
I'm not going to download the video on my dialup connection
i urge you to see the (entire) video. It's sobering.
* though supposedly, Ari Fleischer, his press secretary, wrote "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET" and held it up for Bush to see. But that doesn't really count
** But it's funny for two reasons. Here's an interesting article about some parallels between events in America during ~1930--45 and those today.
*** the attribution to the herald-trib points to this link, which appears to no longer exist.
I know the booties are for traction, but i'm sure they're differently coloured not only to let the minders keep track of their charges but also to appeal to a certain kind of nerd. I didn't see any red members - perhaps it's so as not to make them uneasy on their first 'mission'.
this image he posted looks like it could be a promotional shot for a new sitcom about the wacky misadventures of the world's first private, zany space company.
And i think i just saw cnn's thing from that promotional flight. There was indeed at least one holding the bag to her face, being lead away and looking a tad more than solemn (thank god the minders do that - eeww! float over there!) Miles O'brien (sp) says he kept it down.
Another solution is to put the smarts into the skin so only a "summary" signal needs to go back through the various joints.
And and each summariser may be given a new factor depending on what's most necessary to pay attention to. "Walking...Walking...Falling Over...FALLING OVER!..." Nerves are 2-way. Lots that could be done with this.
like these ones, maybe?
I agree about the mouse - Apple is pretty strange when it comes to mice. I use a logitech usb wheel mouse with my ibook. Scroll (awkwardly) doubles a 3rd button. But scroll support is great. You can wheel up a terminal window, move a photoshop image in the window, etc. Haven't figured out how to scroll the page with it in acrobat, though.
Toss the apple mouse out, or find some odd use for it (i think i once saw some site featuring just that for the first g4 mice).
The default 'look' of osX is not so hot, either. Luckily, that's easily configurable.
we can't trust them as far as we can kick them
All else aside, this is a fine example of how many think these days. What a shame that you seem to think it unreasonable for others taking a dim view at being kicked. Is it really this hopeless?