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Astronaut Gordon 'Gordo' Cooper, 1927-2004

Grant writes "Leroy Gordon 'Gordo' Cooper, one of America's first seven astronauts, died today in his home at the age of 77. A number of space related sites are carrying the news." Grant points to coverage at SpaceRef.com, Space.com, Nasa Watch, and CNN, writing "His accomplishments will continue to inspire and he will be missed."

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  1. He will be remembered by Chrispy1000000+the+2 · · Score: 0, Insightful

    He will be remembered.

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    1. Re:He will be remembered by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      He will be remembered for being stupid enough to sink one of our first Mercury capsules. He was the clown of the bunch, at least according to the book The Right Stuff. Nearly drowned himself in that accident too- not only did he fail to get the capsule right side up after splashdown before he blew the hatch- in his effort to escape the sinking capsule he failed to close the air hose valves on his suit, which promptly filled with water. It was only good luck that saved him- the rescue helicopter was already overhead.

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    2. Re:He will be remembered by One+Louder · · Score: 1

      Uh...that was Gus Grissom. not Gordon Cooper.

    3. Re:He will be remembered by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Damn, you are right- got my G's mixed up. Gus not Gordon.....No pun intended.

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  2. Sadly ironic by PrimeWaveZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That his death occured on the day the Anasari X-Prize was claimed by the first group successful for launching a commercially-developed space vehicle.

    1. Re:Sadly ironic by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it's interesting how LONG these astronauts are living. They seem to all be getting up to the 70s/80s.

      Mustn't be too much bad with the radiation and stresses involved in being launched up into space regularly. Unless of course that's not what they did...

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    2. Re:Sadly ironic by mothz · · Score: 1

      I think it's interesting how LONG these astronauts are living. They seem to all be getting up to the 70s/80s.

      That shouldn't be surprising. Everybody knows the government blasts them full of Alien DNA to make them live longer.

    3. Re:Sadly ironic by hardlined · · Score: 1

      So much about all that hoopla about not surviving in space because of radiation belts

      http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/Iradbelt .h tml

    4. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Ironic? Coincidental more like. The two are different.

      See the usage note at http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ironic

    5. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the battery of physical tests they had to pass to become astronauts in the first place, I'd be surprised if the opposite were true.

    6. Re:Sadly ironic by bizpile · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sadly ironic

      I think it's more coincidental than ironic, but I could be wrong

    7. Re:Sadly ironic by mangu · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I think it's interesting how LONG these astronauts are living.


      I was thinking exactly the opposite: 77 seems so premature. These guys were getting the best physical conditioning and medical care the science of the day could get. Why did he have a shorter life than the average life expectancy in a typical developed country today?

    8. Re:Sadly ironic by dsanfte · · Score: 1

      And considering that, you could also say they might (may yet?) have lived into their 100s had they not been exposed to that radiation and stress.

      Guess we may never know. Interesting though.

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    9. Re:Sadly ironic by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, it is. I hope that he knew about Rutan's achievement before he died.

      RIP Gordo, the world could sure use a few more of you.

      -jcr

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    10. Re:Sadly ironic by eyv · · Score: 0

      Ah, but you are assuming that anyone has actually been to space! There is absolutely no evidence that any human has ever been in space! :) Conspiracy theorists, start your typing.

    11. Re:Sadly ironic by ArcticCelt · · Score: 5, Informative
      "Why did he have a shorter life than the average life expectancy in a typical developed country today"

      He surpassed the life expectancy of USA for males and arrived right on target for both sexes.

      USA Life expectancy at birth:
      male: 74.63 years
      total population: 77.43 years

      From CIA The World Factbook

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    12. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go Hotdog, Go!

    13. Re:Sadly ironic by Watcher · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It probably didn't help that he, and all of the Mercury 7 except for Glenn, was a smoker.

      The stress also couldn't have helped much.

      As it is, with some things like cancer, it doesn't matter how old you are, or how good your physical condition, it can still take you down. Good health helps, but something like the more common forms of pancreatic or stomach cancer can knock the best of us out for the count.

    14. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      right on target for both sexes.


      Do you mean he had both sexes? I guess that's why he wasn't chosen for a Mars mission. He'd have had three children by the time he got there.

    15. Re:Sadly ironic by aggiefalcon01 · · Score: 1

      So, it would seem he had a shorter live than the average because: he's a male.

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    16. Re:Sadly ironic by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Maybe he planned it to the X-prize day on purpose (or subconciously). If I was about "leave this realm", I would try to pick an interesting day to do it. It is sort of like a cosmic signal of the transition from the "old guard" (gov. sponsered) to the new guard (commercial). I cannot think of a more fitting way to neatly weave such eras together.

    17. Re:Sadly ironic by logos22 · · Score: 1

      It also happens to be the launch date for Sputnik 1.

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    18. Re:Sadly ironic by f00zy · · Score: 1

      I'm sure he would be proud of what happened today. Call it a cosmic send off.

    19. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The saddest fact is that nobody gives a shit. I mean, the glory and fantasy that is space exploration doesn't matter to anyone anymore. You mention NASA and people just start to carry off on a rant about how NASA is so expensive and they want that money being put torward caring for them via social security and medicaid instead. Everyone is so selfish and nearsighted that space doesn't excite them half as much as a free xanax prescription or a coupon for a free burger at mcdonalds.

      Space, NASA and exploration are just pathetic jokes these days. It's so fucking depressing. I wish I grew up 20 years earlier so I could have thrived in the culture of "can-do" and "must-do" and far-out ideas of the universe, beyond our own little planet. :(

    20. Re:Sadly ironic by innerweb · · Score: 1
      The best medical care and excercise is only so useful when your diet is full of poison and bad food. Read the labels on food products for what most of us eat, and find out what is in your food at most restaurants. There are other vectors as well, air pollution, water pollution, ...

      All in all, he did live long time for someone who was born the decade he was born.

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    21. Re:Sadly ironic by erick99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Life expectancy is based on birth year. His life expectancy was 59.7 years. He did well!

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    22. Re:Sadly ironic by starphish · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree. If he was killed by a crash of SpaceShip One, that would be ironic. This is just coincidental.

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    23. Re:Sadly ironic by BCW2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Consider that he outlived more than 50% of his military peers. Being an Astronaut proved to be much safer than being a test pilot. Even though none of us that remember all the Mercury flights thought so at the time. Most of the test flights had blown up. I always thought that those guys had a large pair hanging inline for speed.

      Gordo is now meeting with Shepard, Slayton, Grissom and Conrad. That should be a party. It's hard to believe that Glenn and Schirra are the only ones left.

      Godspeed Gordo, we will miss you.

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    24. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the life expectancy for someone born in 2004. The life expectancy for someone born earlier would be much shorter.

    25. Re:Sadly ironic by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

      "Gordo is now meeting with Shepard, Slayton, Grissom and Conrad. That should be a party. It's hard to believe that Glenn and Schirra are the only ones left."

      I'm sure he's happier today. Gus Grissom was his best friend, and I'm sure he is glad to once again be able to trade stories and barbs with him.

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    26. Re:Sadly ironic by Ark42 · · Score: 3, Funny


      Also coincidental, the Psycho star Janet Leigh that died today was also 77.

    27. Re:Sadly ironic by BaltikaTroika · · Score: 2, Informative
      He said "typical developed country". The USA isn't exactly typical among the rest of the developed world, taking into account medicine, education, everybody-else-in-the-world-hating-you, leader's IQ and so on.

      Here are a few more typical developed countries' life expectancy rates:
      Canada 79.96
      UK 78.27
      Germany 78.54
      France 79.44

      So it appears the poster's comment was true when talking about typical countries...

      (Numbers also from the CIA Factbook.)

      BaltikaTroika

    28. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Life expectancy is based on birth year. His life expectancy was 59.7 years.


      Not really. 59.7 years is the average life of the whole cohort of people born in 1927, including those who died in 1927, and onward. However, for people born in that year, but who survived until 2004, life expectancy is much longer.

    29. Re:Sadly ironic by Josh+Booth · · Score: 1

      Sort of like Charles Schulz dying on the publication of his last Charlie Brown strip. It is fitting but a strange coincidice. My grandfather died not long after they restored the mill pond in Imlaystown, NJ, which he fought to get. I suppose things happen for a reason; my belief is that it is subconcious. A certain drive causes people to want to live, and when it is completed, they die. Or as George Sanders wrote, "Dear World, I am leaving you because I am bored. I feel I have lived long enough. I am leaving you with your worries in this sweet cesspool -- good luck."

    30. Re:Sadly ironic by bizpile · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree. If he was killed by a crash of SpaceShip One, that would be ironic. This is just coincidental.

      I'll probably burn for this, but that was the funniest thing I've read in awhile....maybe it's just late.

    31. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! How many times do we have to tell you people, Slashdot is US-based. If you want a different viewpoint, like one that comprehends irony, go browse some European site!

    32. Re:Sadly ironic by f00zy · · Score: 1

      I understand your rant, but I think people do care. It is important to remember two things: 1) a private company hit the lower edge of space, and 2) this in no way invalidates what NASA does.
      NASA is doing great things. Did you people notice those 2 rovers on mars? The Cassini thing?

    33. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the life expectancy for 77-year-olds who survived until October 4, 2004, is much higher than 24 hours. So if you want to look at it like THAT, he died shockingly young.

    34. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just read some sad news tonight on Slashdot - Astronaut Gordon 'Gordo' Cooper was found dead in his Ventura, California home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to space exploration. Truly an American icon.

    35. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the heck are you talking about, that's like saying a VW beetle doesn't have much torque for a sports car

      it isn't exactly an insightful question to ask why an american might live less than a european on average, regardless of their occupation

      that's kind of what life expentancy averages are by definition lol

      nevermind the fact of course that it's entirely inappropriate to use the LE for a baby born today for someone that just died

    36. Re:Sadly ironic by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I give a shit.

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    37. Re:Sadly ironic by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm not sure I'd use the term "ironic". In a way, it's almost appropriate. As one generation of innovators and pilots pass away, another is springing forth.


      How many times have innovators become the major obstruction, either deliberately or even just by being there? Sometimes, you have to let go, in order to move on.


      Gordon Cooper represented the Old Order. The NASA way of doing things. The big-budget, cutting-edge frontier of science way of viewing the world. In his time, that was an essential perspective. Nobody could do anything, if it weren't for the first few. Nobody would know how, and few enough of those would be willing to take such enormous risks.


      Without the achievements of the Americans in the form of NASA, the Russians and (ultimately) the Germans, SpaceShipOne would never have existed. Even the very recent work (eg: remote-controlled probes and landers, the ion drive and guidance system AI of DS-1, etc) will be essential for successful migration to a space-based society.


      Let's not forget the other players, either. The British HOTOL program (despite being cancelled) did result in a lot of progress in engine technology. It also inspired a lot of progress in reusability, far beyond NASA's vision of the Space Shuttle.


      The Australians, too, with their successful development of SCRAM-jet technology, have made it viable, for the first time, to think of vehicles capable of reaching LEO without the aid of rockets. None of this is research the private sector could have afforded, even if it had the vision necessary to understand what could be done.


      Every single one of the pioneering astronauts, Gordon Cooper amongst them, represented this kind of heavy-duty R&D. They were, after all, the guys test-flying this stuff. If they did not absolutely understand what they were doing, did not absolutely understand the capabilities and behaviour of what they were flying, they probably wouldn't have made it back to Earth.


      Those who have died along the way have invariably done so because either they, or those they depended upon, did NOT have that depth of understanding. That's not a critisism - it's a plain and simple fact. The more unknowns you face, the lower your chances of survival. The only way to ensure survival, therefore, is to know as much as physically possible.


      There's a lot of cutting-edge R&D that still needs to be done, by the Gordon Coopers of the world. But not for sub-orbital and LEO flights. That work's been done. It's been done well enough that Scaled Composites could build a vehicle capable of a 70+ mile altitude (mostly) controlled flight.


      Gordon Cooper has earned his rest. The day the X-Prize was won proved, beyond all doubt, that his work had a meaning beyond the (somewhat inane and childish) political squabbles of the 60s. I hope he did get to see the flight that secured the prize. His send-off was the successful transfer of the edge of space to humanity. If you're going to die, could you ask for anything better?

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    38. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget being surrounded by self-important and mostly useless countries.

    39. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps true, but the USA has a relatively primitive medical system compared to most developed nations, so the lifespans there are shorter.

    40. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Indeed, if you only consider life expectancy for people born in 1927 and alive in 2004, it should be at least above 77 years...

      And in further news, 2+2=4.

    41. Re:Sadly ironic by M1FCJ · · Score: 1

      Mercury 7 were never up there long enough to be effected. The real test will be the Russians who are living in tin cans in space since early 1970s. During the collapse of Soviet union, all previous records were beaten just due to the lack of capability of getting the guy back to earth.

    42. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Did you people notice those 2 rovers on mars?"

      Mainstream news seems to have forgotten about them.

    43. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which space are you talking about?

    44. Re:Sadly ironic by KilobyteKnight · · Score: 1
      I think it's more coincidental than ironic, but I could be wrong

      Yes, coincidental.

      Also, symbolic: The passing of the baton.

      Rest In Peace, Gordo.
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    45. Re:Sadly ironic by The+Wicked+Priest · · Score: 1

      It's like how Jefferson and Adams died on the 50th anniversary of the Republic.

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    46. Re:Sadly ironic by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      I think it would also be coincidental if the cartesian coordinates of the carbon fiber composite constructed Spaceship One and cosmic explorer Cooper coincided cataclysmically.

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    47. Re:Sadly ironic by Fenris+Ulf · · Score: 1

      This is true, I've heard it referred to as "death elasticity".

    48. Re:Sadly ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mainstream news seems to have forgotten about them.

      So you base all your judgements of worth on mainstream news?

  3. Executive Summary by hardlined · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Leroy Gordon Cooper, one of the nation's first astronauts who once set a space endurance record by traveling more than 3.3 million miles aboard Gemini 5 in 1965, died on Monday, NASA said. He was 77." -CNN

  4. Sad news ... Gordon Cooper dead at 77 by TrollBridge · · Score: 0, Troll

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Astronaut Gordon Cooper was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to space exploration. Truly an American icon.

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  5. Farewell by Ann+Elk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blue skies, Gordo.

    1. Re:Farewell by BigFire · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Truely a fantastic pilot. Sure he was more than confident, but he has the skills to back that up. During his historic Mercury 7 flight, he watch as each and every single one of the automatic guidence system failed on re-entry. In the end, he has two instruments left for guidence, the window and his watch. He still managed to bring his craft closer to the actual splashdown bullseye than all previous 6 capsules.

    2. Re:Farewell by NOLAChief · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hard to believe...he was at Stennis Space Center just a few weeks ago with fellow astronauts Scott Carpenter and Wally Schirra promoting a scholarship program they had founded, so I got a chance to see him speak. Obviously they had all aged, but it looked like he had more than the others, unfortunately. But his confidence was still there; you could feel it in the room. Truly an extraordinary person. Thank you for leading the way, Mr. Cooper. We'll try to make you proud.

    3. Re:Farewell by Erbo · · Score: 1
      One last time:

      "Go, Hot Dog, GO!!!!!"

      A very sad milestone on a day already marked by two other great space milestones. Let us pledge to carry on our efforts to reach out into space, so that Gordo's heroics, and those of all those other astronauts, will not have been in vain.

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    4. Re:Farewell by istartedi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Come on. He was an astronaut: Black skies, Gordo. :)

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    5. Re:Farewell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Be Careful with the nomenclature- "Mercury 7" generally denotes the group of 7 original astronauts, but can also be the title of the 7th Mercury mission in the series. Gordo piloted the Mercury 9 mission, which was the last of the Mercury missions.

    6. Re:Farewell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I would have liked to go to that. Unfortunately I got an email about the event a whole two hours before it went down.

      Do you find those safety signs on the way in from the south gate hillarious? "Bee alert, Arrive unhurt!" (with a picture of a cartoon bee, of course)

    7. Re:Farewell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing you posted anonymously or you'd have to read a bunch of replies telling you what a freakin' idiot you are. "The" Mercury 7 were the astronauts. The Mercury flights were known by their capsule names, such as Friendship 7 or Faith 7. Nobody, not even NASA, in other than strictly official documents referred to the missions as Mercury anything.

  6. Gordo by globaljustin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is a time for everyone captivated by spaceshipone to remember Gordon Cooper and all the astronauts for their contributions to space exploration and for just having the right stuff.

    Notice on spaceshipone's first space flight last week, when asked about the 29 rolls at the top of his ascent, the pilot brushed it all off, "oh, it was nothing, training just took over."

    Also, notice spaceshipone's incredible resemblance to the X-planes tested in 50's by test pilots like Chuck Yeager. Basically, spaceshipone is using 1950's technology to make its headlines.

    It was the mercury astronauts and Russian cosmonauts who brought our backward world kicking and screaming to new frontiers first.

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    1. Re:Gordo by Vess+V. · · Score: 3, Informative

      Small correction: SS1's first space flight was in June, not last week.

    2. Re:Gordo by occamboy · · Score: 1

      I'm saddened by Gordo's death, but...

      I'm not sure that ther's any resemblance between Spaceship One and the X planes. They were both dropped from other craft, and like Spaceship One, most X planes had wings, but that's about where the resemblance ends.

    3. Re:Gordo by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say they is a resemblance, i'd say they are virtually identical in design. The only major difference is newer technology in avionics, computers, and media coverage.

      I don't know the details off-hand, but a plane in the x-project went 65 plus miles above the earth sometime in the early 60's. Hopefully a good /.er with time to kill at work will look it up.

      But yeah, take away the technology and its undeniable.

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    4. Re:Gordo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The X-15 and NF-104A space planes were similar to SS-1, but they were flown in the 60s, not the 50s (first flights of the X-15 were in 1959, but all of the serious research results were from the 60s.) Chuck Yeager tried to fly the NF-104A, but he didn't have the right stuff for it. He screwed up flying the portion of the flight under aerodynamic control so badly that he both never got to a high enough altitude where spacecraft controls (reaction control system) were required, and he put the plane into a unrecoverable coffin corner of the flight envelope. He almost managed to save the plane by creatively using its drag 'chute as a ballistic recovery 'chute to stop the flat spin he got himself into, but his technique was wrong after he released the 'chute (actually, his technique was wrong before then, since he hadn't reset trim), so the NF-104 just resumed its spin. Chuck was out of options at that point, and the NF-104 bit him -- almost killed him.

      Yeager was a damn fine pilot at the time, and certainly a very daring one, but he wasn't the world's best test pilot. He flew too much by the seat of his pants for that, and lacks in technical/engineering knowledge. With a plane like the NF-104, X-15, or SS-1 that is capable of leaving the atmosphere, Yeager is literally out of his element. Don't believe all of the hype and ego-stories about Yeager. There have been several pilots that flew better flight test than Yeager did, even if they haven't gotten the press. Bob Smith, chief test pilot of the NF-104A is one.

    5. Re:Gordo by Josh+Booth · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the X-15. IIRC, one of the highest and fastest flights it took started to melt the plane and as a result, the fuel release valves didn't open, forcing the pilot to land on the metal skids with lots of rocket fuel.

    6. Re:Gordo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please stop posting in monospace font. It's fucking annoying.

    7. Re:Gordo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't post normal text using monospaced font. It's fucking annoying.

    8. Re:Gordo by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      How does a post about Gordon Cooper end up with some guy trashing Chuck Yeager?

      He also flew around the world in a human powered airplane, btw.

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    9. Re:Gordo by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      boy, his arms must have been tired! are you talking about the voyager? piloted by dick rutan and jeanna yeager?

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  7. Re:Mirror of CNN article in case of /.ing by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

    CNN can handle the modest trickle of traffic that is slashdot.

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  8. Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by sailracer6 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It is interesting to note that Gordon Cooper alleged in a book he wrote a few years ago, "Leap of Faith," that he encountered 'flying saucers' landing and flying while working as a military test pilot in the early 1950s, and that footage he had taken of these saucers was confiscated from him.

    I don't know anything else. Would someone else care to comment on this?

    Amazon link to the book:
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0061098779/ qid=1096943403/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_2_1/002-2236212-76 16055

    1. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 2, Funny

      The existence and anomalous nature of these craft has been known to anyone who has dared to think outside the box and recognize valid testimony (albeit unusual) for almost 60 years.

      It has been testified to by countless (hundreds in fact) military officials and government authorities. The Air Force itself admitted that many craft sighted were not it's own even though they performed extremely complex aeronautical maneuevers. Please go here or here, or here if you would like to do further reading.

      In case there is any question, no I am not wearing a tinfoil hat. Yes I am an aerospace engineer.

    2. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, there is only one way to prove that UFOs are real: shoot one done and bring me the bloated corpses of the aliens!

    3. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by aonifer · · Score: 1

      The military did experiment with saucer-shaped aircraft back in the 40s and 50s.

    4. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by AndyChrist · · Score: 1

      Too many people who believe what you're talking about do, and their lack of credibility rubs off on you. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but the tinfoil hat crowd raise the bar for the evidence you must present for sane people to believe you.

    5. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      Too many people who believe what you're talking about do, and their lack of credibility rubs off on you.

      In reference to "lack of credibility" please read the other reply to the parent I just posted.

      In reference to "evidence." It's all there for anyone who wants to look at it. For a scientific viewpoint, I highly recommend the Condon Report of 1969. Read any section but the conclusion and you will see some great scientific analysis. For info on why the conclusion of that report differs widely from the evidence, read the various info on Condon himself that is widely available.

    6. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Notice I did not say anything about what might be piloting the craft. That is a common error in judgment many people make because of stereotypes in this topic. All we really know at this point is that some anomalous craft have been observed.

    7. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by polecat_redux · · Score: 1

      It is interesting to note that Gordon Cooper alleged in a book he wrote a few years ago, "Leap of Faith," that he encountered 'flying saucers' landing and flying while working as a military test pilot in the early 1950s, and that footage he had taken of these saucers was confiscated from him.

      And how long after the release of that book was he murd... er, died?

    8. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >All we really know at this point is that some anomalous craft

      Now, who's jumping to conclusions? Show me your craft. Oh right. What you have are anamolous events which can be explained without invoking the "mystery craft." Weather, lighting, etc explain away most of it.

      Actually, many times the "mystery craft" does indeed turn out to be some kind of craft, except its an old spy jet, not some Ark from Beyond!

    9. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      Weather, lighting, etc explain away most of it.

      That's true. But you are applying the logical mistake many make that "if most of it is conventional" all of it must be. This has been shown to be not the case by numerous studies, both from the Air Force and independent scientific efforts like the Condon study.

    10. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by Moofie · · Score: 1

      This is a great read. I honestly don't know how much credence to give the "weird aircraft" phenomenon, but I tend to think there's something there. Too many historical dead-ends.

      The book above is by Nick Cook, a pretty hard-bitten aerospace journalist. He didn't CONVINCE me, but he sure made me look at the available evidence again.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    11. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      For a more empirical, scientific approach I recommend Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis.

    12. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Cool...I'll check it out.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    13. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by scarletire · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be more accurate to say anomalous events have been observed. Or are you claiming a craft was recovered but not a pilot?

    14. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      In claiming a craft, I am referring to the many of events where an anomalous vehicle has been tracked on radar (often at extreme speeds) at the same time an object was seen in flight either by a pilot or on the ground (or both).

      In many of the cases the pilot's description of the craft is that of some type of metallic object operating in his general vicinity.

      Now obviously some cases like this have a mundane explanation. But there also many that even after detailed examination do not lend themselves easily to that possibility. Pilots, radar operators, observers, et al genuinely can not come up with any explanation of what they witnessed.

    15. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shoot one done

      "down".

    16. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      many craft sighted were not it's own

      "its".

    17. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 1

      "The existence and anomalous nature of these craft has been known to anyone who has dared to think outside the box and recognize valid testimony (albeit unusual) for almost 60 years."

      And those that disagree are PART OF THE COVERUP or otherwise ASLEEP to the reality that ALIENS are visiting EARTH RIGHT NOW and hammering off my CAPS LOCK KEY to make a point.

      Go back over the valid testimony and wipe out anything that refers to 'aliens'. Then collect up the lists of anamolous objects and place them in context of the time they took place. Notice how reports get less the more used to orbit the human race becomes?

      It's a big subject, filled full of the most tragically funny people to take a lecturn, but generally it's agreed that people saw strange stuff without assigning it to pesky aliens.

      --
      Oddly Draconis
      Too cynical to live, too stubborn to die.
    18. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The radar-evidence is so strong that all the 'kooks' in the world shouldn't be stopping the US News-media -- if they really WANTED to do their jobs in this case, that is...
      me

    19. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      Notice how reports get less the more used to orbit the human race becomes?

      That isn't the case. They simply aren't reported in the mainstream media anymore. There are just as many today as there have ever been.

    20. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by scarletire · · Score: 1

      I would still tend to say "an anomalous object has been tracked on radar" and "pilot's description of the craft is that of some type of object with a metallic appearance".

      In general, the fact that observers "can not come up with any explanation" is not evidence for an otherwise unsupported conjecture.

    21. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 1

      "They simply aren't reported in the mainstream media anymore."

      Who said they ever were, or that I was referring to the mainstream media?

      --
      Oddly Draconis
      Too cynical to live, too stubborn to die.
    22. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      In general, the fact that observers "can not come up with any explanation" is not evidence for an otherwise unsupported conjecture.

      But once again I did not make an unsupported conjecture. I have no more idea what the objects are than the observers. My goal is not to prove that aliens are visiting the earth. My goal is to understand why science doesn't want to consider investigating something which remains a mystery even after many years. Isn't that what science is about? Discovering and exploring new observations?

    23. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by scarletire · · Score: 1

      Your tendency to refer to these unidentified sightings as "anomalous vehicles" and to mention the "anomalous nature of these craft" is presupposing that a vehicle or craft was observed. That is your unsupported conjecture.

    24. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      That is not unsupported conjecture. The sightings were anomalous because even trained experts in aviation were unable to identify them as an ordinary object.

    25. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by scarletire · · Score: 1

      I am not debating that the sightings were anomalous. That experts were unable to identify them as an ordinary objects does not support the conjecture that they were vehicles or crafts of some kind. The fact that they could not identify them only defines what the objects aren't (e.g. commercial aircraft) but says nothing about what they are.

      BTW, I promise to read your response but after that maybe we should just agree to disagree. :)

    26. Re:Gordon Cooper and the existence of UFOs by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      Ok, but the "crafts" designation comes more from the observation that they were in motion and sometimes performed maneuvers similar to aircraft. Many were observed on radar at speeds above Mach 5. I don't know of anything else in the atmosphere except some kind of flying craft that can achieve that. An interesting modern example is the famous STS-48 video, in which an object is seen exiting the atmosphere at a ridiculous velocity.

      And I agree that the discussion is mostly over. I can't really explain it any better without going into specific details on a large number of cases which has been done elsewhere by others and is available for people that want to look at it.

      What I really see is just the fact that too many top level officials, commercial pilots, military officers, presidents, congressmen, et al have said there is something serious about this matter for it to all be nonsense. This is easily confirmed by the written record which has become available to researchers over the last few decades under FOIA. Additionally, several scientists who worked on the classified projects at Skunkworks and other contractors in the 60s and 70s have made statements to the effect that they had the best talent and resources of military and private flight available to them, and they did not and could not have develop anything like what was witnessed, classified or not.

      I'm hopeful that serious investigation of this topic will return to mainstream science soon. Efforts like the Sturrock panel are gaining some support in that direction. And as Haisch points out, the majority of individuals who spend serious time looking at the serious evidence become more interested in it. You would think the opposite would be true if it were all nonsense.

  9. Other way around by ThomasFlip · · Score: 1

    I would think these people would live well into their 80's and early 90's. These people tend to stay in peak physical and mental condition (which by the way is why they are astronauts in the first place). I'm actually suprised that he would die at 77.

    I doubt the minimal radiation levels and stresses from a couple weeks in space would account for an early death.

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  10. A memorable day, for better or worse by mangu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The same day that the first hobbyist rocket went to space was the first day an astronaut died of old age...

    1. Re:A memorable day, for better or worse by Max+Thrust · · Score: 1

      "hobbyist rocket"?

      I dont think I would consider a project with the funding of Rutan and his crew "hobbyist". Going out to the desert with a rocket you made yourself and putting it up 10K is "hobbyist"....

    2. Re:A memorable day, for better or worse by subtropolis · · Score: 1

      Leaving your 'hobbyist' remark aside... I think it's great that we live in age when our astronauts die of old age.

      (ok, leaving aside cobwebbed space program..)

      --
      "Our interests are to see if we can't scale it up to something more exciting," he said.
  11. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sick and tired of these "I just heard some talk on the radio" trolls. Just because you're turning them into something that actually happened, doesn't make it any better.

    Don't encourage the trolls. Mod parent down.

  12. proof that we are moving too slow. by wheezl · · Score: 1

    If one of our first 7 just died a age 77, don't you think we are taking our sweet time improving on those missions?

    r.i.p.

    --
    -- oh.... so..... sleeeeeepy.
  13. Nice early mention in Gene Kranz's book by stucooper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm reading Gene Kranz's book "Failure is Not an Option" and there's a nice mention early on about how he gets a lift from the airport to the base by some madman in sunglasses and an open necked shirt who gets saluted by the guards at the gate and drives 100 miles per hour and faster. Wondering why civilian speedsters get saluted at the gate, Kranz realises he's met his first Mercury astronaut, who was in fact Gordo Cooper.

    1. Re:Nice early mention in Gene Kranz's book by Mournblade · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was at a conference a couple of years ago, and the guest speaker was Gene Kranz, with an assist from Fred Haise. Fascinating presentation, mostly centered on the Apollo 13 mission. They did autographs after the show and I asked him, if President Bush were to stand up and say, "we're putting a man on Mars in 10 years" could we do it? (this was before Bush actually said that). He thought that we could, but we'd need to significantly improve the schools because (in his opinion) we're not cranking out enough quality engineers to do the job.

      Anyway, it was a cool experience for someone who grew up following the later apollo missions /early shuttle missions.

  14. Re:Mirror of CNN article in case of /.ing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry about the mistakes, I was typing quickly. ;-)

    You have heard about copy and paste, right? ;)

  15. You got your wish, DICKWEED!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you're happy! Only on Slashdot is the TRUTH moderated down!!

    1. Re:You got your wish, DICKWEED!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am happy. And you didn't read what I wrote: This article is a typical troll posted by various people. Even if you twist it into an actual event, as this, it's not informative, funny nor interesting.

      It is a troll and it will forever be a troll. Live with it.

    2. Re:You got your wish, DICKWEED!! by aggiefalcon01 · · Score: 1

      Also, this is a Big Deal, and deserves everyone to stop everything and make a Big Deal out of it. I just hope the terrorists in Gaza and the soldiers in Iraq and the teachers in Russia all realize just how important this issue is, people posting on /. that they heard something on the radio. Oh, the humanity!

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    3. Re:You got your wish, DICKWEED!! by aggiefalcon01 · · Score: 1

      (I was replying to the morons making a todo about the parents post ... I don't see any big problem with the parents post myself.)

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      Global warming is neither science, nor politics. It is a religion.
  16. I'd love to comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The man obviously did a lot of drugs. Can you think of a better explanation?

  17. Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the end of the film "The Right Stuff" based on the book by Tom Wolfe. Not written as an epitaph, but it fits.

    On that glorious day in May 1963
    Gordo Cooper went higher, farther, and faster than any other American:
    22 complete orbits around the world.
    He was the last American ever to go into space alone
    and for a brief moment, Gordo Cooper became
    the greatest pilot anyone had ever seen.


    Godspeed Gordo Cooper

    1. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by kfg · · Score: 1

      And because of Gordo I know exactly where I was and what I was doing on that day, watching the greatest pilot anyone had ever seen on television. I'll always remember.

      Goodbye Gordo, just remember to keep the blue stuff up, the green stuff down and the wind under your wings.

      KFG

    2. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple of Americans have gone into "space" alone since then... namely the SpaceShipOne pilots.

    3. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you're the life of the party.

    4. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by Viking+Coder · · Score: 1

      The Right Stuff was one of the greatest movies of my childhood. I really enjoyed Hanks and Spielberg's From the Earth to the Moon, but I'll always have a special place in my heart for The Right Stuff.

      Just a quick question: how many Americans have gone into space alone since Gordo, now?

      The two guys from SpaceShipOne, right. Anyone else?

      --
      Education is the silver bullet.
    5. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by red+floyd · · Score: 1
      According to astronautix.com, the pilot on the following flights was awarded astronaut wings under the FAI definition:

      19 July 1963 X-15 Flight 90

      22 August 1963 X-15 Flight 91.
      Both those flights were after Cooper, so there was one other American who went into space alone (both flights were by Joseph Walker).

      In addition, there were 10 other flights which were awarded wings under the USAF definition, but not under the FAI definition of 100km.

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      The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
    6. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by MichaelSmith · · Score: 0
      He was the last American ever to go into space alone

      Until Mike Melville in SS1?

    7. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only one of the SpaceShipOne pilots was American - the other was from South Africa.

    8. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by 4thAce · · Score: 1

      He was the last American ever to go into space alone
      It took a long time for that statement to become outdated, didn't it?

      --
      Inventor of the LOLbalrog meme.
    9. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      He was the last American ever to go into space alone
      It took a long time for that statement to become outdated, didn't it?


      Yes, it will.

      (SS1 went higher than you can imagine and won the X-prize and all, but it never left the upper reaches of the atmosphere (And if I'm not mistaken Brian Binnie is South African))

    10. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      However, it is worth noting that Cooper's flight was orbital, and the X-15s were not. Who was the last man to go into orbit alone? Cooper?

    11. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by red+floyd · · Score: 1

      He was the last American, don't know when the last Vostok flight was.

      However, the parent to my post had mentioned SS1 as the newest Americans to go into space alone, so I thought I'd mention the X-15.

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      The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
    12. Re:Best epitaph from "The Right Stuff" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mike Mellville is a South African, Brian Binnie is not.

      SS1 did go into space.

  18. The Greatest Pilot Anyone Had Ever Seen by Ginnungagap42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Godspeed, Gordo Cooper.

  19. Re: Godspeed, Gordon Cooper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want you to know I am Deeply Offended (tm) by your comment. Don't you realize this is Slashdot?! How dare you.

  20. Reminds me of a line... by tunabomber · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...from The Right Stuff:

    Gordon Cooper : You know what makes this bird go up? FUNDING makes this bird go up.
    Gus Grissom : He's right. No bucks, no Buck Rogers.
    ...and the flight of the SpaceShipOne is the first nail in the coffin of the notion that big government bling-bling is necessary for space travel.

    --

    pi = 3.141592653589793helpimtrappedinauniversefactory71 ...
    1. Re:Reminds me of a line... by jcr · · Score: 1

      Of course, what he said is no less true today than it was at the time. It still took about twenty million bucks to get SpaceShip One over the finish line.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    2. Re:Reminds me of a line... by jdhutchins · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kinda OT, but:
      It's been said once, it's been said a million times: SpaceShipOne does not mean that NASA is a useless, wasteful government agency. SpaceShipOne did not go into orbit, a very major distinction (not to knock what they did). But it's a very different ball game, and NASA does quite a bit of other research as well. Who do you think did the inital research that developed many of the technologies that SpaceShipOne uses? It's not a nail in the coffin of government-sponsered spaceflight research.

    3. Re:Reminds me of a line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Gordo (played by Dennis Quaid) steals the show at the end of the movie! Here's the movie's narrator's outcue...


      "The Mercury program was over.

      Four years later, astronaut Gus Grissom was killed, along with astronauts White and Chaffey, when fire swept through their Apollo capsule.

      But on that glorious day in May, 1963, Gordo cooper went higher, farther, and faster than any other American.

      Twenty-two complete orbits around the world.

      He was the last American ever to go into Space alone.

      For a brief moment, Gordo Cooper became the greatest pilot anyone had ever seen."


      You can read a transcript of the entire film here...

      http://www2.ice.usp.ac.jp/wklinger/film/scripts/ri ghtstuff-s.txt

    4. Re:Reminds me of a line... by Viceice · · Score: 1

      Actualy, what he said is still true. If it wasn't for Paul Allen and his funding of Scaled Composites, SpaceShip One would very likely have never won the prise.

      Of course, it's not to say that funding was the only factor, but it was a critical componant.

      --
      Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
    5. Re:Reminds me of a line... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Right, the fact that we can't even get to the moon right now is what means that NASA is a wasteful government agency. Whether it's useless or not is a matter for debate.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:Reminds me of a line... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      If NASA was spending its budget on spaceflight research, I would be its A-1 fan. But it's operating Shuttle and ISS, which are both a tremendous waste of resources.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    7. Re:Reminds me of a line... by Scorillo47 · · Score: 1

      >>> It's been said once, it's been said a million times: SpaceShipOne does not mean that NASA is a useless, wasteful government agency.

      It might not be useless but it is certainly wasteful...

      --
      Don't try to use the force. Do or do not, there is no try.
    8. Re:Reminds me of a line... by Dirtside · · Score: 1
      SpaceShipOne does not mean that NASA is a useless, wasteful government agency.
      True. NASA was useless and wasteful long before SpaceShipOne showed up!

      Okay, I jest. NASA's not useless. *cough*

      --
      "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    9. Re:Reminds me of a line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been said once, it's been said a million times: SpaceShipOne does not mean that NASA is a useless, wasteful government agency.

      True. SpaceShipOne has nothing to do with NASA being useless and wasteful -- they were already.

    10. Re:Reminds me of a line... by OreoCookie · · Score: 1

      Yeah! Wow. NASA only achieved sub-orbital manned flight 44 years ago.

    11. Re:Reminds me of a line... by bwcbwc · · Score: 1

      I have to wonder though: Has NASA (or any government space agency) ever done two sub-orbital flights with the same spacecraft within 5 days?
      -BC

      --
      We are the 198 proof..
  21. Lighten up, its funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy lived a rich full life. He lived the dream. He was a pioneer.

    My guess is he would laugh about the post, and think you were what we call a "dickweed".

    Honestly, lighten up.

    1. Re: Lighten up, its funny by aggiefalcon01 · · Score: 1

      A-men.

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      Global warming is neither science, nor politics. It is a religion.
    2. Re:Lighten up, its funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm having problems making fun of someone's death.

      Well, try harder. That's the American Way!

  22. Dude. by Vlion · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I hope he learned of SpaceShipOne's flight.
    It would be really tragic if he died without knowing that private mankind was going into sub-orbital
    flight successfully.

    I mean, its like an era of space flight ended today.
    Private enterprise pushed a starship(admittedly, miniscule) into flight, and one of the Mercury Seven died.

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    1. Re:Dude. by Viking+Coder · · Score: 1

      This was the second space-reaching flight of SpaceShipOne. I'm sure Gordo knew about the first one.

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      Education is the silver bullet.
    2. Re:Dude. by yeremein · · Score: 1

      This was the second space-reaching flight of SpaceShipOne. I'm sure Gordo knew about the first one.

      Actually, it was the third. Mike Melvill piloted SS1 on its first space voyage in June.

    3. Re:Dude. by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 1

      This was the second space-reaching flight of SpaceShipOne. I'm sure Gordo knew about the first one.

      Actually, it was the third. Mike Melvill piloted SS1 on its first space voyage in June.

      Actually, it was the fourth. Since SpaceShipOne's ultimate destination was always space, you can consider every flight it's made to be space-reaching, and they did fire up its rocket on Pearl Harbor Day last year.

      (Can we get a fifth, anyone? ;) )

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  23. Do they always go in threes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Wow Gordon Cooper, Janet Leigh, ??? all in the same day. Sorry to see them go.

    "They" always say they go in threes... who else are we missing?

    1. Re:Do they always go in threes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "They" always say they go in threes... who else are we missing?


      *YOU* are. I'm sending Rico Sanchez to take care of that. Please open the door for him, we don't want to break the landlady's nice door, do we?

    2. Re:Do they always go in threes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tonight some Anonymous Coward died at his keyboard, YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!

  24. Astronaught by ssummer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Today we gained a new astronaut and also lost one. Anyone know exactly how many people have made it into space? (living and dead [not counting Carl Sagan])?

    1. Re:Astronaught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Anyone know exactly how many people have made it into space?"

      Weren't some of the Soviet missions kept (and remain) secret?

    2. Re:Astronaught by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
      When you start counting, don't forget some of the X-15 missions qualified under FAI and USAF rules as being 'space flight'. Pilots were accorded astronaut wings.

      And you probably can't find the actual number of Soviet cosmonauts. Evidently, a couple(?) went up, but didn't come back down.

    3. Re:Astronaught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by _name
      Wikipedia has a listing of all(?) the astronauts in the world.

  25. who's the best? by p51d007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I still love the famous line from the "Right Stuff" Who's the best pilot you ever saw......you're looking at him! I was just over 3 years old when he flew in Faith 7, and it was nice back then to have real "heros" to look up to, unlike the gansters that todays youth look up to. God speed Gordo Cooper! I'm sure you, Gus, Deke, and Alan are having a good time catching up on things up there in heaven......

  26. Oddly reminiscent by sheetsda · · Score: 1

    ... of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. The second and third presidents of the USA, who both died on July 4th, 1826, 50 years to the day after Independence Day.

  27. Stupîd media by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    All the media are raving about the death of Janet Leigh (whose name I never heard uttered before today) but not a single word about Gordo.

    Stupid media. Always going after the useless thing.

    1. Re:Stupîd media by erick99 · · Score: 1

      There are "front page" stories on the websites for CNN, USA Today, FoxNews, ABC, and MSNBC.

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    2. Re:Stupîd media by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Only an american would think of going to the abovementionned websites for news.

    3. Re:Stupîd media by erick99 · · Score: 1

      They are examples of the media reporting the story. That's all. I actually prefer Google for news because I can click on the "..and 4,200 related" and pick out papers and other sources throughout the world. I prefer a Reuters version over an AP for example. The BBC usually gives a very dry but very accurate account of an event so I check there. Interestingly, there are often a few tidbits in newspapers from India that I don't see here. But, the previous poster felt that there wasn't enough coverage of Coopers death and I was reassuring him/her with some examples. There are, of course, many many more.

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    4. Re:Stupîd media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess - you are: 1) An "oh so PC" American who reflexively dislikes anything American or, 2) Not an American but someone who enjoys doing the same as #1. Get a life.

    5. Re:Stupîd media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hogger," you will be squealing like a stuck pig in November when Kerry posts his resume on Monster.com looking for work.

    6. Re:Stupîd media by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      "Only an american would think of going to the abovementionned websites for news."

      That's useful. You could have listed an alternative or two.

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      -fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
    7. Re:Stupîd media by LMCBoy · · Score: 1

      Well, since those sites are apparently covering news that is more to your liking, perhaps you should consider "slumming" with us...

      --
      Liberal (adj.): Free from bigotry; open to progress; tolerant of others.
    8. Re:Stupîd media by IronicCheese · · Score: 1

      Not taking anything away from Gordon Cooper - I will miss him too - You shouldn't go bragging about the fact that you don't know a great film actress like Janet Leigh.

    9. Re:Stupîd media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've yet to meet or hear of an American who reflexively dislikes anything American. And I've lived [t]here for 45 years. You're inventing a category of people, aren't you?

    10. Re:Stupîd media by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with being innocent of bullshit? (Movies - no matter how good the director is - are institutionalized bullshit).

  28. link correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  29. Interesting Bio trivia by mangu · · Score: 1

    According to NASA he was the first astronaut to make two orbital flights.

  30. you make me sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just the trolls way of showing his respect...

    You sick fucko.

  31. Why didn't he fly on Apollo? by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    He was the backup commander for Apollo 10. 5 other astronauts flew twice on Apollo, 7 if you include Apollo-Soyuz.

    1. Re:Why didn't he fly on Apollo? by schwit1 · · Score: 1

      I meant to say 7 if you include Skylab(Conrad and Bean). All of the Apollo 10 crew flew twice, as did Scott and Lovell.

  32. What did St Peter say to Gordo Cooper? by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Funny

    St Peter: Who is the Best Gatekeeper in the World?

    Cooper: I dunno. Who IS the Best Gatekeeper in the World?

    St Peter: You're looking at him....

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    1. Re:What did St Peter say to Gordo Cooper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me be first to say: Huh?

    2. Re:What did St Peter say to Gordo Cooper? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you making a joke? Or are you serious? I want to know so I can decide whether to add you to my friends list, or the one for foes :P

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:What did St Peter say to Gordo Cooper? by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      pretty good.. but wouldn't it have been better if...

      well.. if you had died and Cooper had posted the joke? :]

  33. Bio for Gordon Cooper by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Astronaut Bio

    NAME: Leroy Gordon Cooper, Jr. (Colonel, USAF, Ret.)

    NASA Astronaut (former)

    PERSONAL DATA: Born March 6, 1927 in Shawnee, Oklahoma. His hobbies include treasure hunting, archeology, racing, flying, skiing, boating, hunting and fishing.

    EDUCATION: Attended primary and secondary schools in Shawnee, Oklahoma and Murray, Kentucky; received a Bachelor of Science degree in Aeronautical Engineering from the Air Force Institute of Technology (AFIT) in 1956; recipient of an Honorary Doctorate of Science degree from Oklahoma City University in 1967.

    ORGANIZATIONS: The Society of Experimental Test Pilots, The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, The American Astronautical Society, The Blue Lodge Masons, The York Rite Masons, The Scottish Rite Masons, The Royal Order of Jesters, The Sojourners, The Rotary Club, The Daedalians, The Confederate Air Force, The Boy Scouts of America, The Girl Scouts of America.

    SPECIAL HONORS: The Air Force Legion of Merit, The Air Force Distinguished Flying Cross, The Air Force Distinguished Flying Cross Cluster, The NASA Exceptional Service Medal, The NASA Distinguished Service Medal, USAF Command Astronaut Wings, The Collier Trophy, The Harmon Trophy, The Scottish Rite 33, The York Rite Knight of the Purple Cross, The DeMolay Legion of Honor, The John F. Kennedy Trophy, The Ivan E. Kincheloe Trophy, The Air Force Association Trophy, The Primus Trophy, The John Montgomery Trophy, The General Thomas E. White Trophy, The Association of Aviation Writers Award, The University of Hawaii Regents Medal, The Columbus Medal, The Silver Antelope, The Sport Fishing Society of Spain Award.

    EXPERIENCE: Cooper, an Air Force Colonel, received an Army commission after completing three years of schooling at the University of Hawaii. He transferred his commission to the Air Force and was placed on active duty by that service in 1949 and given flight training.

    His next assignment was with the 86th Fighter Bomber Group in Munich, Germany, where he flew F-84s and F-86s for four years. While in Munich, he also attended the European Extension of the University of Maryland night school.

    He returned to the United States and, after two years of study at AFIT, received his degree. He then reported to the Air Force Experimental Flight Test School at Edwards Air Force Base, California, and, upon graduating in 1957, was assigned as an aeronautical engineer and test pilot in the Performance Engineering Branch of the Flight Test Division at Edwards. His responsibilities there included the flight testing of experimental fighter aircraft.

    He has logged more than 7,000 hours flying time--4,000 hours in jet aircraft. He has flown all types of Commercial and General aviation airplane and helicopters.

    NASA EXPERIENCE: Colonel Cooper was selected as a Mercury astronaut in April 1959.

    On May 15-16, 1963, he piloted the "Faith 7" spacecraft on a 22-orbit mission which concluded the operational phase of Project Mercury. During the 34 hours and 20 minutes of flight, Faith 7 attained an apogee of 166 statue miles and a speed of 17,546 miles per hour and traveled 546,167 statue miles.

    Cooper served as command pilot of the 8-day 120-revolution Gemini 5 mission which began on August 21, 1965. It was on this flight that he and pilot Charles Conrad established a new space endurance record by traveling a distance of 3,312,993 miles in an elapsed time of 190 hours and 56 minutes. Cooper also became the first man to make a second orbital flight and thus won for the United States the lead in man-hours in space by accumulating a total of 225 hours and 15 minutes.

    He served as backup command pilot for Gemini 12 and as backup commander for Apollo X.

    Colonel Cooper has logged 222 hours in space.

    He retired from the Air Force and NASA in 1970.

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    1. Re:Bio for Gordon Cooper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i had no idea he was a girl scout.

  34. Gordo steals the show at the end of the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting


    The movie The Right Stuff is one of my all time favorite flicks... I remember seeing it in the theater when I was a kid. (I've seen it several times since then, of course.)

    Gordo (played by Dennis Quaid) steals the show at the end of the movie! Here's the movie's narrator's outcue, which, combined with the imagery of Dennis Quaid blasting into space and Bill Conti's awesome musical score, is one of the all-time coolest moments in cinema:

    "The Mercury program was over.

    Four years later, astronaut Gus Grissom was killed, along with astronauts White and Chaffey, when fire swept through their Apollo capsule.

    But on that glorious day in May, 1963, Gordo cooper went higher, farther, and faster than any other American.

    Twenty-two complete orbits around the world.

    He was the last American ever to go into Space alone.

    For a brief moment, Gordo Cooper became the greatest pilot anyone had ever seen!"


    You can read a transcript of the entire film here...

    http://www2.ice.usp.ac.jp/wklinger/film/scripts/ri ghtstuff-s.txt

    1. Re:Gordo steals the show at the end of the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I liked that ending too. But as an aside, depending on how you define space, he is no longer the last American to go alone.

  35. Don Your Flame Suit by thelizman · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Listen up here jerkwad. Not everyone can be an astronaut. Plenty of fighter jocks, however, have gone on to get advanced degrees in engineering, aerospace, physics, and the like. So before you go singing the praises of a bunch of slide-rule thumbing pencil-neck geeks who never chanced to hang their balls out over the line and risk having them snapped off, remember that the Astronaut corps truly does represent the best of the best. So it wasn't the guys with the calculators (which, by the way, took up entire floors in the days of Apollo) who beat Russia. It was everyone who worked hard for a common goal.

  36. Re:Let's be REALISTIC here by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, let's be REALLY realistic.

    The first group of astronauts were at the apex of the pilot pyramid. A VERY competitive field. Test pilots are engineers who happen to fly extremely well.

    And it was not quite as simple as you make it seem, because no one had ever done it before. NASA didn't simply build it and dump some random warm body in it. The astronauts were as much a part of the development team as the sliderule carrying geeks. The campaigned (and won) for windows ("Oh, the extra stress factor!"), and a control stick to actually fly the damn thing.

    Get off your military bashing, and realize that some people go into the military for other reasons beyond "a bleak future". That is the only place where you can fly fighter jets. If you'd ever flown or ridden in one, or known some of these pilots, you might get the merest inkling of what these guys were all about.

  37. Godspeed, Gordo by WCMI92 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After seeing "The Right Stuff", and hearing my dad (who met him) tell me about meeting Gordo Cooper when he was an elementary student in Eastern Ky, he was always my favorite of the Mercury Seven.

    He was truly one with the "right stuff".

    Like the rest of the original 7, he was not only a fantastic pilot, he was also a scientist, and a damn good one.

    It's ironic that on the day we lose the last American to go into space alone, we send another American into space alone.

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    Corporatism != Free Market
    1. Re:Godspeed, Gordo by polecat_redux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's ironic that on the day we lose the last American to go into space alone, we send another American into space alone.

      Shouldn't that read:
      "It's ironic that on the day we lose the last human to go into space alone, we send another human into space alone."

      Patriotism is for those that need to believe they are better than all others, based solely on geography and ethnocentrism.

    2. Re:Godspeed, Gordo by Mordaximus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Shouldn't that read: "It's ironic that on the day we lose the last human to go into space alone, we send another human into space alone."

      It would be a nice sentiment but a very false statement. Yang Liwei did a solo space flight for China in 2003, and AFAIK is still alive. Likewise Vladimir Shatalov of Russia is still alive I believe.

  38. Met him is 2001 by rasper99 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I met Gordo in July 2001 when he visted Rocket Guy. http://www.rocketguy.com/rocket/jul172001.html He was a fasinating person and still had a sparkle in his eye when talking about the old days. Even got to go to lunch with him when the TV crew took him to lunch. I miss the good old days when we had heroes like him.

  39. As many other austronauts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never went to the moon because is not feasible.

  40. Star Trek/Shakespeare reference... by isecore · · Score: 1

    Well, I guess he's exploring the final frontier now...

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    I enjoy large posteriors and I cannot prevaricate.
  41. Planet Starbucks by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    Oh give me a break...

    How can you think that the development of space will have anything but a corporate logo on it? The Anasri prize was a great idea, but spaceshipone isn't LINUX for god's sake. It's a 1950's concept for space flight packaged and promoted to be sold to consumers as a product.

    Who was the first person to seriously commit to using spaceshipone's concept for mass tourism? Richard Branson. He's a cool guy, but once he makes his money and paves the way, the big publicly held conglomerates will be tripping over eachother's fattened bodies to profit from space.

    I do not support space tourism, which would lead to exploitation. I support space exploration and mining.

    --
    Thank you Dave Raggett
    1. Re:Planet Starbucks by ocelotbob · · Score: 1

      Ah, but so far, government agencies have done essentially crap for making it so that the little guy can make it to space and innovate without the need for a massive government agency. Maybe now that orbital flights can be done cheaply by the private sector, Nasa will have no choice but to justify its bloated existence by pushing on to Mars and beyond.

      --

      Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses

    2. Re:Planet Starbucks by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Define "exploitation" and tell me why it's bad. Be sure to specify how it's different from mining.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    3. Re:Planet Starbucks by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      Look, I'm not an environmentalist.

      I mean exploitation as in the development of space as a tourist venture and not as a permanent foothold to other worlds and space exploration.

      What I oppose is the idea that spaceshipone is some groundbreaking venture. It's great that people care about space again, but I fear that it's going to be in a commercialized and watered-down form. I want to see exploration beyond our solar system, not just tourism.

      I have no qualms about mining an asteroid (the moon is different) or other celestial body in the infinite void of space.

      --
      Thank you Dave Raggett
    4. Re:Planet Starbucks by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Tourism will inevitably fund more exploration. Maybe it's an inversion from what's been historically so, but we're not just going to hang around in LEO as a species. Simply not going to happen.

      Might take 100 years (which I think would be criminally negligent), but we ARE going to colonize this solar system.

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      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    5. Re:Planet Starbucks by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I mean exploitation as in the development of space as a tourist venture and not as a permanent foothold to other worlds and space exploration.

      Obviously, space tourism is going to lower the prices of space travel (because all the companies doing it are trying to get the costs as low as possible to get their profits as high as possible), which in turn will make it much cheaper to take the next step into other worlds.

      What I oppose is the idea that spaceshipone is some groundbreaking venture.

      It is, on the grounds that it is the first privately developed spacecraft. If you disagree, please explain why ?

      It's great that people care about space again, but I fear that it's going to be in a commercialized and watered-down form.

      Watered-down in what sense ? And commercialization of space travel is absolutely neccessary if any of us want to be able to afford it in our lifetimes - or do you think that todays passenger jets would exist unless someone thought they could make a nice profit from developing, building and operating them ?

      I want to see exploration beyond our solar system, not just tourism.

      The cheaper it is to get frail human bodies to the orbit and back down safely, the cheaper it is going to be to get equipment up safely. After all, a spaceship doesn't really care if it's lard or steel it's lifting, now does it ? And the cheaper it is to get equipment up, the more research there is going to be, because the budget of research organizations is going to buy them more probes, and because there will be more people who can afford sending probes, and because all these space tourist/mining companies are trying to find new targets for their operations.

      And, finally, tourism is a form of exploration.

      I have no qualms about mining an asteroid (the moon is different) or other celestial body in the infinite void of space.

      Um, how is the Moon different ? AFAIK there's nothing there that could be harmed by such mining... And I'd imagine that large space stations would be much cheaper to build from Moon-mined materials than from Earth-mined ones, since Moon has no atmosphere and a much weaker gravity, so launching massive quantities of materials from there is a lot cheaper.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    6. Re:Planet Starbucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop posting in monospaced type. It's fucking annoying.

    7. Re:Planet Starbucks by banzai51 · · Score: 1

      Exploitation. Meh. Who is being displaced? The great thing about space is there is a lot of it. Pleanty of room for everything.

    8. Re:Planet Starbucks by aminorex · · Score: 1

      Exploitation is different from displacement. If not, your "5.7 liter V8" would be called a "57 dead Iraqi V8".

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      -I like my women like I like my tea: green-
    9. Re:Planet Starbucks by banzai51 · · Score: 1

      Yet another bad car analogy. Again, who is 'losing' when space is 'exploited.' You see, when someone, something, or a group of people are exploited, it means they are being taken advantage of in some way. In traditional accusation theory, expanstion of colonial powers exploited the native populations for the resources in thier country. So in Space, who is the big loser?

    10. Re:Planet Starbucks by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      "Obviously, space tourism is going to lower the prices of space travel"

      >I think it may work out that way, say 75 years from now or longer, but to say 'obviously' like you know how human presence in space will proceed from here is an assumption and invalidates your point. Companies will compete, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean lower prices. Look at lift ticket prices, they just get more expensive. Your assumption is that tourism companies will work to colonize and develop space. The trend goes agains that in the tourism industry, now they are focused on delivering fat-ass office workers an 'experience'

      "It is, on the grounds that it is the first privately developed spacecraft. If you disagree, please explain why ?"

      >'the first privately developed spacecraft' wow that is groundbreaking...it's not like this was some crackpot genius tinkering in his garage, this is a 1950's concept for sub-orbital space flight developed, funded, and marketed by corporations...how can that be considered goundbreaking? Lance Bass of N'Sync tried to pay the soviets $20 million to fly his pasty ass into space, does that make him a pioneer in space tourism???

      "Watered-down in what sense ? "

      >In the sense that a condo on the moon is not moon colonization. It's the difference between the Brittish and Spanish models of colonizing North America. Brittain sought to place permanent settlements that were part of the mother country, while Spain just sent people there to get gold and leave. We need to work towards establishing a PERMANENT foothold in space otherwise we're just spinning our wheels.

      "And, finally, tourism is a form of exploration."

      >oh, it is? well, since you say so... How does this sentance you posted have any relevance? You have no support at all for your claim. Tourism, as it is envisioned today is, like I said above, basically marketing an 'experience' for the vast majority of the population (i'm a snowboarding instructor in Breckenridge, Colorado so I know about marketing 'experiences' and the mindset of the average tourist). It's really short on substance. I'm afraid that's the idea corporations will take as they attempt to profit from space.

      "AFAIK there's nothing there that could be harmed by such mining..."

      >really? well, that's good if you're right, which I thnk you are. I'm reluctant to mine the moon because it's a step that is really hard to take back. I'm comming from a slippery slope perspective. as long as they don't put billboards on the moon I'm ok.

      About making space travel affordable for common people, that might not happen for centuries. Sure there are rich people everywhere, but the 'common man' in the global sense right now is FAR from ever seeing space. And seriously, who would want to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars just to go up and down in a rocket plane. It's barely space travel and mostly just a gimmick. When I can travel to Mars and snowboard down Olympus Mons, then I'll worry how to pay for it, but that might be awhile.

      thanks for reading this far!

      ~j

      --
      Thank you Dave Raggett
  42. Mr. Cooper is not alone by ravenspear · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For interested /. readers, this is a brief list of some of the major people (military and civilian) who are known to have given convincing testimony to the reality of unusual craft (UFOs) they have witnessed. It is by no means exhaustive. Most of them have stated in some way or another that a percentage of craft encountered were definitely unknown to the Air Force and were not discussed because of that. Many also testified that they received orders to keep their mouths shut about it. Thankfully, they felt it was important enough to disregard that order. Investigations into what these people have stated (which I have been doing for several years now) is extremely fascinating. They are not kooks. Many are career military officers, scientists, academics, and others of high station. I have a great respect for them. I only wish more people would at least hear them before dismissing the whole notion. Their accounts do not come from the Weekly World News. They are not wearing tinfoil hats. They are very serious about it.

    Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin: Army National Guard Reserves
    Brigadier General Arthur Exon: US Air Force (ret.)
    Brigadier Thomas Dubose: US Air Force (deceased)
    Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command
    Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps
    Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (Ret.)
    Maj. Donald Keyhoe: US Air Force (deceased)
    Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official
    Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer
    Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army
    Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative
    Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police
    Sgt. Karl Wolf: US Air Force
    Ms. Donna Hare: NASA Employee
    Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer
    Dr. Paul Czysz: McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer
    Astronaut Edgar Mitchell
    Astronaut Gordon Cooper (deceased)
    John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations
    Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller
    Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician
    Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot
    Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller
    Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy
    Sgt. Chuck Sorrells: US Air Force (ret.)
    Commander Graham Bethune: US Navy (ret.)
    Mr. Enrique Kolbeck: Senior Air Traffic Controller, Mexico
    Dr. Richard Haines
    Mr. Franklin Carter: US Navy
    Sgt. Robert Blazina (ret.)
    Lieutenant Frederick Marshall Fox: US Navy (ret.)
    Lt. Bob Walker: US Army
    Mr. Don Bockelman: US Army
    Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force (ret.)
    Lt. Colonel Dwynne Arneson: US Air Force (ret.)
    Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.)
    Mr. James Kopf: US Navy/ National Security Agency
    Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki, US Air Force
    Staff Sergeant Stoney Campbell: US Air Force
    Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.)
    Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense
    Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force,
    Mr. Don Phillips: Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor
    Captain Bill Uhouse: US Marine Corps (ret.)
    Lieutenant Colonel John Williams: US Air Force (ret.)
    Mr. Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service Official
    Mr. John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.)
    Mr. Harland Bentley: US Army
    Dr. Alfred Webre: Senior Policy Analyst Stanford Research Institute
    Denise McKenzie: Former SAIC employee
    Colonel Phillip J. Corso, Sr.: US Army (ret.)
    Sergeant Leonard Pretko: US Air Force
    Mr. Dan Willis: US Navy

    1. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Apealing to authority doesn't work. That list of "credible" witnesses doesn't mean very much because there are millions of people in the armed forces -- the same statistical percentage of nutcases as in the general population.

    2. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do tell me, how does one rise to the rank of Brigadier General by being a "nutcase."

    3. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by nettdata · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, the nutcases generally skip the entire military thing and go straight to Secretary of Defense.

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    4. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by kevcol · · Score: 1

      I dunno- try asking this guy. Oh wait, he's actually a Lt. General. Perhaps they decided the nutcases should rise above brigadier.

      For the record (if you RTFA), I think all religion is a waste of thought.

    5. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you not watched "Dr. Strangelove"?
      Also, look at that weirdo that was Ross Perot's running mate.

    6. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      That is simply a casual dismissal from someone who has no knowledge of these people or what their accounts are. What evidence do you have that any of them are nutcases?

    7. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is simply a casual dismissal from someone who has no knowledge of these people or what their accounts are. What evidence do you have that any of them are nutcases?

      Don't you think that the fact these people saw 'UFO's is evidence enough that they are nutcases?

    8. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      Don't you think that the fact these people saw 'UFO's is evidence enough that they are nutcases?

      No, because many millions of people have seen UFOs many of which can easily be proven not to be nutcases.

    9. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There still people, they still make mistakes. Someone's position doesn't preclude them from mis-sightings.

      Tens' of thousands of amature astronomers look into the sky every night and do not see flying saucers .

      More people then ever carry cameras, yes the photographs of 'flying saucers' is not dramatically increasing.

      As someone who studied this for 15 years, I say to you: Don't waste your time.

      It would be far more interesting to study why people will believe that there are flying saucers before they will believe the'vemade a mistake. Possible becasue people in high places have a big ego? who knows, but that answer would provide far more insight and information then studing UFO's themselves.

    10. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by AeroIllini · · Score: 1

      Their accounts do not come from the Weekly World News. They are not wearing tinfoil hats. They are very serious about it.

      I have no doubt that these people are not nutcases. But most people, on hearing the term "UFO," automatically assume it means "Extraterrestrial Space Craft." I'm sure these people saw some thing they could not identify (hence the term "Unidentified Flying Object"). But just because they could not identify it and no one came forward with a full disclosure and blueprints does not mean that there is anything extraordinary, or even dangerous going on. I'm sure every single "craft" seen by these people was something highly ordinary and terrestrial, albeit classified. Yes, there are programs in existence from the 1950s that are still classified. But just because no one came forward and said, "Yes, that's our X-536 flying saucer program, developed to scare the bejeezus out of Russia," it doesn't mean these craft are automatically from another star.

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    11. Re:Mr. Cooper is not alone by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      I'm sure every single "craft" seen by these people was something highly ordinary and terrestrial, albeit classified.

      Now you are the one who is "automatically assuming" something. This is easily shown to be false. If you examine the many documents released under FOIA (many which were Secret and Top Secret at the time) you can easily see that there was no such classified program that had built craft capable of the maneuvers exhibited by the observed vehicles. You also see top AIr Force commanders genuinely mystified by the origins of the objects. The Air Force even asked the FBI for help early on to assist with their investigations. Why would you "investigate" something if you already knew what it was?

      In case you are unfamiliar with the many cases, some objects were tracked with velocities above Mach 5 and flying at altitudes in excess of 150,000 ft as early as the late 1940s. Any aerospace historian can easily tell you that we had no craft even close to matching that level of performance at the time.

      In addition, many of the objects were seen over heavily populated areas, not the usual region in which one tests highly classified aircraft.

  43. ufos are a modern religion by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > The Air Force itself

    Yes, because it makes perfect sense for the air force to talk about classified flyers (thats assuming you've got the ear of someone high up there) to the press. And its just a big coincidence that so many of these "sightings" are not only around air force bases but indistinguishable from once-classified jets.

    On top of it, you have a lot of opportunists who are ready to make (and have made) a mint from "believers." The stories start plausible enough and then the worst stereotypical 50's sci-fi elements are tossed in. Or New Age BS about abductions, etc.

    The history of UFO's is really interesting in the way the history of religion is. They both show us what we project. Early sightings were often met with messages regarding (at the time) a new and dangerous threat called nuclear weapons. Everyone who claimed to met an alien claimed to have a message of world peace, sometimes from Jesus or some other deity who is in cahoots with the aliens.

    The idealistic 60s ended and the 80s brought us abductions and comical "space rapes." I'm not sure what this says about our collective unconscious, but I'm sure its not exactly a positive message.

    Then the 90s came by with more "proof" this time in form of crop circles. Believers flocked to them like a concrete stain that looks like Jesus in the bible belt. Now we know that they were just pranks and easily reproduced.

    Its sad people still believe these things. I would hope they could work out their emotional issues within a credible and responsible religious organization or choose a secular approach to life instead of UFO conspiracy theories.

    1. Re:ufos are a modern religion by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      I agree there are a lot of problems associated with this topic. All the junk you mentioned tends to drown out the credible reports that warrant investigation. It requires discernment and careful work to separate the junk from the important stuff.

      But I guarantee anyone that if they spend a little time looking at the credible stuff you will see a core reality to the whole thing. Too many military officers are saying their colleagues are lying about what they have witnessed. Too many documents from when the sightings first occurred say things like the Air Force had no idea what the objects were and decided to cover it up. Too many airline pilots have seen the objects. NARCAP compiled a database of over 3000 such sightings.

      There's really too much evidence for me to even try to condense it hear. All I can say is you have to understand that not everyone is a charlatan and a liar when it comes to this topic. Many scientists have examined this closely over the last several decades, Allen Hynek for example. They have made some rather interesting findings.

    2. Re:ufos are a modern religion by subtropolis · · Score: 1

      On top of it, you have a lot of opportunists who are ready to make (and have made) a mint from "believers."

      Sure, there's a lot of hokum spread about. But how is that different than say, music and the Music Industry(tm)? Or religion and the, well, Religion Industry(tm)? It's regretful, though not really surprising. So some (many) people 'believe' without fully contemplating the known facts. It makes it difficult to get serious work done but it doesn't erase the value of the matter to those of us who take it seriously.

      BTW, i hate the term 'ufo believers' as it makes me think of the widespread use of consumer for citizen these days. (So i guess i can endorse your use of it here ;-)

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      "Our interests are to see if we can't scale it up to something more exciting," he said.
    3. Re:ufos are a modern religion by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      The scientific community are really the only ones who have failed to take up the challenge of what the reality of the situation represents. The Condon Report basically killed of any interest from professional scientists, despite the fact that the conclusion differed widely from the body of the evidence presented, despite the fact that Condon clearly demonstrated the conclusion was scripted from the start, despite the fact that the study received unacknowledged input from the CIA, and despite the fact that the conclusion was strenuously objected to by some important bodies not the least of which was the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics.

      If science would even give it a passing glance again, they would find far more data for study than in many other related fields like SETI for example.

    4. Re:ufos are a modern religion by subtropolis · · Score: 1

      Too true. But the great, unwashed mass of 'believers' makes it a difficult subject to justify.

      I'm confident that more and more will be recorded and thus, bring it out into the open some more. Unfortunately, a) most of those will be digital and, b) most of those will be from someone's cell phone. So it may still be a while.

      Or some flash-mob savant will see something and tell two friends and cause one hell of a lot of people to look up.

      --
      "Our interests are to see if we can't scale it up to something more exciting," he said.
    5. Re:ufos are a modern religion by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      Or some flash-mob savant will see something and tell two friends and cause one hell of a lot of people to look up.

      That has already occurred on multiple occasions. Belgium, the Mexico City eclipse sighting, etc. Unfortunately such events continue to be ignored by the American media.

    6. Re:ufos are a modern religion by subtropolis · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing that video from Mexico City* with the saucer moving between some apt. buildings on the news. Then nothing else. Later there was some talk about it being considered to be faked. Dunno myself. But what i'm getting at is that mutiple videos/stills from all sorts of vantage points is going to pretty difficult to ignore. Then, it doesn't matter that it's digital. As long as you've got some quality stuff it'd be all over the news, with all the other shots backing it up.

      i'm talking about an event such as depicted in the above-mentioned video, not just some bloopy lights after dark.

      * Not the eclipse sighting mentioned by the parent (which may have been Venus, iac).

      --
      "Our interests are to see if we can't scale it up to something more exciting," he said.
    7. Re:ufos are a modern religion by Teddy+Beartuzzi · · Score: 1
      Anybody notice how the more technology we get, the less weird shit happens? When was the last plane or ship lost in the Bermuda Triangle, with modern guidance systems, etc?

      And now that cameras are everywhere, you'd think we get *more* sightings of strange things like Bigfoot, Nessie, UFO's. But instead, we get almost nothing now.

      But no, they've all dried up. Odd that.

    8. Re:ufos are a modern religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try to condense it hear

      "here".

    9. Re:ufos are a modern religion by NotoriousGIB · · Score: 1

      I would recommend you look at the RB47 case in depth. I'm a hard nosed skeptic and agnostic but I will look at good (hard to find) UFO evidence since we (humans) are on track to "be" UFOs for some other culture if we can avoid killing ourselves first. (By this I mean we are discovering that life is an inevitable result of terrestrial chemistry and space exploration seems inevitable for us as a species.) The best place to read about the RB47 case is in Jerome Clark's UFO Encyclopedia but that two volume set runs $140.00 new on Amazon so the barrier to entry is high. Nevertheless, well worth the money if you have any interest in the subject.

    10. Re:ufos are a modern religion by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      But no, they've all dried up. Odd that.

      Actually no they have not. They are simply not reported anymore.

    11. Re:ufos are a modern religion by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing that video from Mexico City* with the saucer moving between some apt. buildings on the news. Then nothing else. Later there was some talk about it being considered to be faked.

      It was a fake. That's not what I am referring to. The eclipse sighting was a different one.

      But what i'm getting at is that mutiple videos/stills from all sorts of vantage points is going to pretty difficult to ignore.

      That's exactly what this was. There were dozens of stills and seventeen videos taken. There were also hundreds of witnesses.

      * Not the eclipse sighting mentioned by the parent (which may have been Venus, iac).

      It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about here and aren't even vaguely aware of the sighting I refer to. There is no way it was Venus. It was a rather large disc shaped object.

    12. Re:ufos are a modern religion by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Even most of those disappearances are problematic when you go back and look at what was actually documented.

      Take the mystery of Flight 19. Five TBM Avengers take off in clear weather for a training flight, and are never seen again. A PBM Mariner plane sent to look for them also disappeared. Many believe that UFOs or a time warp or something like that were involved. In reality, it was probably pilot error on the part of the flight leader that got him and 13 other men killed in the initial flight, and 13 more in the search. They took off from Fort Lauderdale for a practice bombing run and overwater navigational exercises. A couple of hours later, the lead called in reporting that they weren't sure where they were. Despite a flight plan with the first two legs flying almost due east for 120 miles, the lead apparently thought he was in the Gulf of Mexico, and was trying to fly east or northeast to find land. Eventually, they probably ran out of gas, had to ditch in stormy seas, and the waves ate the planes. It happens, and sometimes there's no wreckage at all. The PBM Mariner sent to look for them and which subsequently went missing likely exploded in flight -- the planes were notorious for that problem.

      Even the famed story of the Mary Celeste, found near Gibraltar in December 1872, has little to do with reality. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle used the tale of the abandoned ship as the basis for his story about the Marie Celeste, but added in some things to make it spooky. Over the years the tale has grown to be an abandoned ship discovered in pristine conditions with still-warm, half-eaten breakfasts on the table, and evidence of violence or foul play. In reality, the ship wasn't in great shape, apparently having been abandoned before a major storm two or three weeks before, and about the only things that weren't wet and/or broken were some clothes locked in a trunk. The British Board of Inquiry never settled the exact fate of the crew, but it's likely that they abandoned ship for some reason relating to a perceived or real danger, and couldn't get back to the ship or to land before the storm rose and sunk their boat.

      There are occasional real mysteries, but they are very few and very far between.

      --
      You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
    13. Re:ufos are a modern religion by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1
      It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about here and aren't even vaguely aware of the sighting I refer to. There is no way it was Venus. It was a rather large disc shaped object.

      Oh, please. Why are you so completely certain of this? It could easily have been Venus. Please state your reasons for believing that this is not possible. For a start ... don't you think Venus is rather large, and when projected against the sky, disk-shaped in profile? Venus could also easily have been seen by multiple witnesses. Hundreds of witnesses mean nothing when they are all ignorant about astronomy.

      --
      The real Captain Avatar is a fictional character, so I suppose he doesn't mind if I impersonate him.
    14. Re:ufos are a modern religion by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      And you know this ... how?

      --
      The real Captain Avatar is a fictional character, so I suppose he doesn't mind if I impersonate him.
  44. Godspeed Gordo, in your Corvette... by ehintz · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I was fortunate enough to attend the memorial service for Alan Shephard at JSC in Houston back in '98... One of my fondest memories of the service was Gordo's eulogy, in which he said the following:
    "We raced many miles in identical Corvettes," Cooper told the crowd, then looked straight ahead, as if joking to his late friend: "I'm sorry Al, but I never told you that I changed the ratio in the differential. You really weren't any less a driver, it's just that I cheated a little."

    "Now you're up there in that big hangar in the sky," Cooper said. "We miss you, Al. We'll be there before long and we'll try some of that flying ourselves."
    I hope your flying is good Gordo.
    --
    ehintz
    1. Re:Godspeed Gordo, in your Corvette... by gmby · · Score: 1

      My brother and I were named after Gordon Cooper and Alan Shepard. Our father worked for NASA in the 60s.
      Anyway, today has been a very depressing day for me; and later in the day I found out that Gordon Cooper had died. It made me wonder if that was why my day was so sad. Now I wonder if my brother had a sad day when Alan Shepard died. Must remember to ask my brother next time I see him.

      Explore well in your new realm and thank you for the good name.

      Gordon B.

      --
      I don't want a pickle; I just want a Motor-Cycle! A four foot cop arrived with a five foot gun!
  45. i demand progress by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    /.ers are kind indeed...here's some interesting text from the wikipedia article on the X-15

    The North American X-15 rocket plane was perhaps the most important of the USAF/USN X-series of experimental aircraft. Although not as famous as the Bell X-1, the X-15 set numerous speed and altitude records in the early 1960s, reaching the edge of space and bringing back valuable data that was used in the design of later aircraft and spacecraft.

    During the X-15 programme, 13 flights met the US criterion for a spaceflight by passing an altitude of 50 miles (80 km) and the pilots were accordingly awarded astronaut status by the USAF. Out of these, 2 also qualified for the international FAI definition of a spaceflight by passing the 62.5 miles (100 km) mark.

    Spaceshipone is nothing but a cheap corporate-sponsored venture to develop space. True manned space exploration has been dead since we got to the moon. I admire the goals of the Anasari prize, and I hope it will increase an interest in space exploration, but I am not optimistic.

    We as a world went from simple rockets to the moon itself in a very short time. Then we just hit a wall. I think to progress as a people we need to bring back more risk-taking.

    Spaceshipone is great, god bless, but it's not a risky new technology. It's regurgitated and being made progressively safer so that passengers won't sue the space travel company.

    Space tourists are the true 'spam in a can'

    --
    Thank you Dave Raggett
    1. Re:i demand progress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting normal text in monospaced font is fucking annoying. Please don't do it any more.

  46. aahhh scrap! by Gregory-Eric · · Score: 1

    I may be about half my span...but I already feel twice the age! I cannot believe that is the actual span (on average), it just seems so short.

  47. OK, mea culpa... by mangu · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Well, he was a Gringo, of course. I was thinking of an "average" industrialized country, but the United States has the lowest life expexctancy of all of the "industrialized" countries. It's lower, according to the CIA Factbook you mention, than that of Finland, Japan, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Canada, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Austria, and Israel. These are all the "industrialized" countries I could remember.


    OTOH, considering that Israel has total/male/female life expectancies of 79.17/77.08/81.37 years, vs. the US 77.43/74.74/80.36, wouldn't it be advisable to downgrade "terrorism" as a source of danger to life in general?

    1. Re:OK, mea culpa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The US life expectancy makes a lot more sense when you break it down by race. Caucasians and Asians live significantly longer than the ~75yr overall expectancy -- along the lines of Canadian or Swiss expectancies. The Black and immigrant Hispanic life expectancies (30% of the population) drag it down significantly.

    2. Re:OK, mea culpa... by smchris · · Score: 1

      OTOH, considering that Israel has total/male/female life expectancies of 79.17/77.08/81.37 years, vs. the US 77.43/74.74/80.36, wouldn't it be advisable to downgrade "terrorism" as a source of danger to life in general?

      I've tried in my personal life, but it is a "truth-which-must-not-be-spoken". Folks here are bombarded with Orange Alerts and political ads about how the terrorists will kill us all if Kerry gets elected. It's like Fahrenheit 911. Every small town thinks their WalMart is in the crosshairs and that Arab guy in the next lane on the freeway is about to blow. It's like watching chickens in a media hail storm.

      But anyway. The mercury guys were the original deal. I still have a Vox/Doubleday 7" 33-1/3 documenting the Sigma 7 flight. (Although that was Schirra.)

  48. Is he the first...? by bscott · · Score: 1

    I wonder -
    Is this the first American astronaut to die of natural causes?

    --
    Perfectly Normal Industries
    1. Re:Is he the first...? by BCW2 · · Score: 1

      Not even close, Slayton, Shepard, and Conrad are gone and I think there are others.

      --
      Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
    2. Re:Is he the first...? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      Pete Conrad died as a result of a motorcycle accident, not natural causes. He also wasn't in the original 7: he started in Gemini, and went on to Apollo and Skylab.

      Al Shepard and Deke Slayton IIRC died of natural causes though.

      I think it behooves any nerd worthy of the name to take some time and rewatch the 'From the Earth to the Moon' series, particularly with the new private space race just starting. My favorite: the Apollo 12 episode with, you guessed it, Pete Conrad.

  49. article by subtropolis · · Score: 1

    Here's a short article about that. He wasn't a test pilot then, afaik. That was when he was stationed in Germany. The film was shot later, while on the ground at Edwards AFB. He denies seeing any from space, however.

    --
    "Our interests are to see if we can't scale it up to something more exciting," he said.
  50. Astronauts going space happy? by Schwarzchild · · Score: 1
    Cooper's not the only astronaut to tell strange tales.

    Edgar Mitchell claimed that he was one with the universe or some such crap on his return from the moon on Apollo 14. Since then he has become involved in pseudo-science/religion.

    After James Irwin finished his moon trip on Apollo 15, he founded some religious organization and went on trips to Mt. Ararat in Turkey to try to find Noah's Ark.

    --

    "sweet dreams are made of this..."

  51. Conrad was Cool, but not a Seven. by Spencerian · · Score: 3, Informative

    I loved Pete Conrad. The characterization of him in the "From the Earth to the Moon" miniseries was pretty enjoyable and showed just how humorous and life-enriched he was.

    However, he was not an Original 7 astronaut, but part of Group 2, which includes most of the Apollo and Gemini veterans including notables like Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Jim Lovell, and John Young.

    The three surviving Original 7 astronauts are John Glenn, Wally Schirra (also interestingly portrayed in "From...Moon") and Scott Carpenter, who kinda got all hippie-high during his flight, overused his fuel reserves and dropped himself about 250 miles off target from splashdown.

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    Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
    1. Re:Conrad was Cool, but not a Seven. by BCW2 · · Score: 1

      You are correct. Maybe my age is showing, memory wise. Carpenter, Schirra, and Glenn are left. I do remember Schirra as a bit of a cut up along with Shepard, Grissom, and Cooper. I do remember Carpenter's flight because of the worry until they found him. Many thought we'd lost an astronaut. The interest and excitement of the early days was unmatched, Mercury, Gemini, and the early Apollo flights. Shepards golf shot on the moon has to rate as the best stunt or gag of them all.

      --
      Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
    2. Re:Conrad was Cool, but not a Seven. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      A couple of interesting tidbits:

      1. Pete Conrad was a finalist for the Original 7, but in The Right Stuff book he didn't take the medical tests seriously and was not chosen. He did become a Group II astronaut, though.

      2. John W. Young is the only astronaut to have flown Gemini, Apollo and Space Shuttle spacecraft. If Young had been chosen for the Original 7 he would have theoretically been the only astronaut to have flown all four of NASA's manned spacecraft designs.

    3. Re:Conrad was Cool, but not a Seven. by Spencerian · · Score: 4, Informative

      Excellent trivia, but there are a few more.

      John Young is still listed as on the active roster for Astronaut flight status (though he has admitted that his wife will kill him if he flew again).

      John Young, Jim Lovell, and Gene Cernan are the only men who have flown to the moon twice (A10/16, A8/13, and A10/17, respectively). All three were CMPs (IIRC) before becoming Commanders in their last Apollo flights, but Lovell, of course, did not get to moonwalk. I believe that Lovell was also an Original 7 candidate.

      Only Shepard of the Original 7 was a moonwalker, although it was strongly rumored that, were it not for the Fire of 1967, Gus Grissom was practically a shoe-in as the first moonwalker.

      It is ironic that Gus Grissom almost drowned because a hatch would not stay shut on his first mission, and died inside a spacecraft by asphyxiation from a hatch that would not open. After the recovery of Mercury/Liberty Bell 7 from the ocean floor, it was discovered that the hatch did blow on its own, with the explosive charge that was intended to do so still intact.

      --
      Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
  52. Re:What did St Peter say...(Explained) by Erbo · · Score: 2, Informative
    For anybody reading this: This is based on the movie The Right Stuff, in which Gordo Cooper would ask, "Who's the best pilot you ever saw?" and, when his listener was stumped, would say, "You're looking at him."

    One would presume that, after St. Peter delivered that last line, Gordo would bust out laughing, and St. Peter would wave him through, saying, "Go on, Gordo, Al and Gus are waitin' for ya..."

    --
    Be who you are...and be it in style!
  53. Re:Stupid media by scarletire · · Score: 0, Troll

    You complain about the media covering an actress over an astronaut yet you link to the Internet Movie Database. Why would you expect a movie site to honor astronauts over actresses?

  54. 3rd time, but okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SpaceShipOne flew to space twice before. I was at the first such flight.

    This is also the 47th anniversary of Sputnik.

  55. Crossing over... by GuruDino · · Score: 1

    You've got to think, at least I do, that he may have known exactly where he was going in his last moments. Anyone that has gone into orbit, is somehow changed I think in that they have viewed our blue marble from afar, and after that... well this earthly plane must seem a bit restricted. Good Journey Gordo

  56. Who *CARES* about life expectancy? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He got to fly in *SPACE*! That's *got* to be worth trading 10 years for!

  57. The "healthcare system" isn't as big a factor... by istartedi · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...as you might think. Japan has really high numbers because of diet (rich in fish, tofu, not too much red meat, etc). Other countries probably have higher figures due to lifestyle and infrastructure issues. In particular, less dependance on the automobile which gives the US a Vietnam casualty rate every other year. The US lifestyle sucks in a lot of ways when it comes to health; in particular our overindulgence of fatty foods.

    So, I really wish people would quit trying to use these figures as justification to push for a beurocratized socialist "health care system". These social systems may be a result of good health as opposed to being the cause of it. In other words, socialism is expensive, and those who are already healthy and wealthy can afford it.

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    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  58. Re: Lonely Space Pilots by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
    He was the last American ever to go into Space alone.
    ... until SpaceShip One.
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    Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
  59. Re: Dying on significant days by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1

    Several U.S. presidents have died on the Fourth of July, two (Adams and Jefferson) on exactly the same day.
    (July 4 is when the U.S. declared its independence from Great Britain.)

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    Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
  60. kind of OT but by chegosaurus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Before long there could be no one alive who has set foot anywhere other than Earth. That's damning.

    1. Re:kind of OT but by mikrorechner · · Score: 1
      Before long there could be no one alive who has set foot anywhere other than Earth. That's damning.
      I don't want to downplay his achievements, but he has not set foot anywhere else than earth either - if you mean another planet/moon and not a ship in space by that.
      --
      "Oh, a lesson in not changing history from Mr I'm-my-own-Grandpa." - Dr Hubert Farnsworth
    2. Re:kind of OT but by chegosaurus · · Score: 1

      I know. That's why I said I was slightly OT. I RTFA.

  61. Re:Let's be REALISTIC here by deadweight · · Score: 1

    Are you just a stupid troll or are you really that ignorant? Do you have ANY FUCKING CLUE how hard it is to become a military test pilot? These guys werre not a bunch of average achievers that randomly picked military flying instead of working at the hardware store after having a few beers.

  62. He had the right stuff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On that glorious day in May 1963, Gordo Cooper went higher, farther, and faster than any other American - 22 complete orbits around the world; he was the last American ever to go into space alone. And for a brief moment, Gordo Cooper became the greatest pilot anyone had ever seen.

    1. Re:He had the right stuff! by eutychus_awakes · · Score: 1

      Gordo did live to see two more Americans go into space alone on suborbital flights - somehow poetic, methinks.

      --
      This sig is a test. If this had been an actual sig, you would be reading something quite a bit wittier than this now.
  63. Re:The "healthcare system" isn't as big a factor.. by occamboy · · Score: 1

    Can you provide any scientific evidence for what you're saying? I don't think that any exists.

    On the other hand, actual studies, using actual science, have concluded the US has the worst medical outcomes of any developed nation, even after controlling for other factors. And, US healthcare is the most expensive by far.

    Worst outcomes... most expensive... gee, "berocratized [sic] socialist "health care" system[s]" are starting to look pretty darned good - unless you're a doctor in need of a new Mercedes.

  64. Gordo on Letterman by AdrainB · · Score: 1

    Does anyone remember on the old David Letterman Show that he would randomly call into the show? Dave would be sitting at his desk and the phone would ring and he'd pick it up and the voice on the line would say, "This is Colonel Gordon Cooper Speaking."

  65. Godspeed Gordo by HedRat · · Score: 1

    A heartfelt thanks and goodbye to yet another maverick and pioneer whose accomplishments contibuted to a day in history when the entire world held its breath as Neal Armstrong set foot on the moon.

    One of the top five most memorable moments in my life was meeting, shaking hands and chatting with Alan Shepard and Wally Schirra when they spoke at an Intergraph sponsored event in Huntsville.

  66. But I wonder though... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

    ...Did the original Tom Wolfe book paint a somewhat unflattering view of Gordo Cooper?

    From what I read from the book, Cooper loved to race cars, flew well-known race driver Jim Rathmann in an airplane at very low altitude, and literally fell asleep inside the Mercury capsule before his all-day Mercury flight! Mind you, Cooper masterfully controlled the spacecraft near the end of the flight when the automated flight control system went out....

  67. Or a patient in need of care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No really, my grandfather can wait eight months for his hip replacement. After all, it's "free" right? The point that socialists miss is that lots of us want to make our own decisions, not have some one-size-fits-all crap crammed down our throats by the self-annointed "experts." The point that a lot of fence-sitters miss (tinfoil hat firmly in place) is that once the government controls healthcare, and healthcare includes the "right" to euthanasia, we'll all be living in a Logan's Run world.

    1. Re:Or a patient in need of care by sjames · · Score: 1

      No really, my grandfather can wait eight months for his hip replacement. After all, it's "free" right? The point that

      At least he will get it in 8 months. In the U.S. he might likely have to put it off for a few years (or forever) while he saves up for it.

      I'm not Canadian, so I don't know for certain, but I don't think it would be illegal for him to have some sort of supplimental health insurance so he could get the replacement in the U.S.

      Too often, the U.S. system provides the 'choice' of medical care or food. If you can't pay, you just have to wait until it worsens into an emergency so that they have to treat you. Note that that won't make the bills go away, you'll have to declere bankrupcy once (if) you recover.

  68. Really Batman? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Difficult to explain how people are living longer and healtier lives as never has been seen before in the history of mankind.

    That food may not be that hosrrible after all.

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
    1. Re:Really Batman? by innerweb · · Score: 1
      Yeah Robin - it is why we have such huge medical bills. The food is bad for us. Their is a definate lack of health in this country and all the other "developed" countries. Get out your medical journals and read all the varied articles on the health care system crisis (one major aspect), syndrome X, obesity, diabetes, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc al.

      That was actually a pretty good troll, or a comment in complete ignorance of reality.

      InnerWeb

      --
      Freud might say that Intelligent Design is religion's ID.
  69. Gordo's not dead by Minwee · · Score: 1

    ...he has just been carried off by aliens.

    After yesterday I was starting to think that at least news about space wouldn't be sad.

  70. The Alien Thing Cracks Me Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There, was truely a dedicated spacewalker. Keep everyone interested in space, and keep NASA running.

    He seems like he was a fairly decent guy, even though he was an Okie.

    Catch you later, Gordo.

  71. Re:The "healthcare system" isn't as big a factor.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other countries probably have higher figures due to lifestyle and infrastructure issues. In particular, less dependance on the automobile

    Yes, because the lifestyle and infrastructure is *so* much different in Canada (which was one of the countries listed), right?

    These social systems may be a result of good health as opposed to being the cause of it

    No, the real cause is that socialized medicine improves the health of the overall population because people go to the doctor more often, and health issues can be identified and treated earlier.

    When you have socialized medicine, the population isn't afraid of "what will it cost" to check out a problem. In the US system, if they have insurance, they have to worry about if their diagnosis will be covered, and (if it is) how much it will increase their premiums - the end result is that they simply put off going for as long as possible, which allows health problems to progress further, making them harder to treat.

    those who are already healthy and wealthy can afford it.

    Sounds more like the US system to me.

  72. Re: Lonely Space Pilots by aminorex · · Score: 1

    Well, okay, the last American ever to go into space (Capitalize Me? WTF?!) alone, where space means the set of points more than 103 km above sealevel.

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  73. Re:The "healthcare system" isn't as big a factor.. by Eccles · · Score: 1

    What I find mind-boggling is that despite hundreds of billions of dollars being spent on Medicare and Medicaid, people don't think we have socialized medicine already. We do, just a f---ed up verson of it, where people will claim permanent disability not because they can't work, but because they can't afford their health care if they do.

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    Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
  74. hint: by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

    after 1927: great depression, WWII

    Just thought I would point that out since the responses thus far seem to have missed the point.

  75. Sorry mister, but you are wrong. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Mrs Leigh helped to improve us in a different field or human nature.

    Her role in one of the best movies of te last century will remain with many of us, you should not belittle people's achievements in other fields of human endeavour with such a hollier than thou attitude.

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
    1. Re:Sorry mister, but you are wrong. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      Feh!

      Movies are bullshit.

      And the incredible arrogance of the movie "industry", in trying to tell US how we should use our computers, make them a bunch of pariahs who should be crushed at the first opportunity.

  76. Because it is not bullshit. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Only the crass uneducated people feel like boasting about their own ignorance.

    What a sorry espectacle, so much ignorance and self righteouness (simulated or not, that is beyond the point) in just a few lines of text.

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  77. Fun factoid. by Thjorska · · Score: 0

    Buzz Aldrin has a PhD.

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  78. Re: Lonely Space Pilots by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
    Well, okay, the last American ever to go into space (Capitalize Me? WTF?!) alone, where space means the set of points more than 103 km above sealevel.
    ... so far.
    It's only a matter of time until someone orbits the earth alone, goes to the Moon alone, etc.
    I, myself, plan on one day travelling to the Asteroid Belt alone, then eventually making my way out to the Oort Cloud alone.
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  79. Hey Trudy! by notmtwain · · Score: 1

    Who's the best pilot you ever saw? I truly appreciate what these guys did for our country. Heck, we thought we were scientific losers. We didn't even know if our Germans were as good as the Russians Germans. Guys like Cooper put the bucks back in the Buck Rogers.

  80. Re: Lonely Space Pilots by aminorex · · Score: 1

    Yang Liwei did the orbit thing a few months ago.
    But Cooper is still the last American to go into orbit alone. And if we destroy American soon, we can keep it that way.

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